#811
Re: Israel...
Jan 19th, 2009
Of course there is another " final solution" to the Palestinian "problem"... I'm sure Israel could pass a law and make it legal.
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#812
Re: Israel...
Jan 19th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
While I may not agree with your position, at least your position is consistent.Actually it is more black-hearted than that, the Canadian Govt stonewalls every legal action the First Nations have taken in regards to treaties. The First Nations didn't break them the Canadian Govt did (at every opportunity). The cases cannot be allowed to run their course, the Fist Nations would win every single one of them, that would cost the Govt big money. The taxpayer would be on the hook for that cash, so when it comes to the rights of others being upheld it depends if it is going to cost some personal cash. Every taxpaying Canadian will say the First Nations should be more or less equal. Ask them if they should be compensated for broken treaties at the personal cost of $100,000 for each taxpayer and the support for rights goes up in smoke. If those same (not so lovely) people would be in court in a heartbeat if some lawyer approached them with an offer to sue somebody that would net them $100,000 free and clear.
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Stealing land, resources, and decimating a local population is the hallmark of western civilization and paint themselves as being the victim.
How naive to think otherwise, to not see through the smoke and mirrors is willfull stupidity, a commodity that will never be in short supply.
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The question becomes, are people repsonsible for the deals of their ancestors? Our ancestors also swore eternal fielty to our feudal lords throughout all our children. We broke that treaty with our kings too. Of course if we upheld it then we would still be slaughtering "heathens" in our kings name, so damned if you do, damned if you don't.
As for natives, I think the native peoples should get to decide if they want to live up to the exact nature of those treaties or re-negotiate by a referendum.
If they want to uphold the exact terms and conditions, they should have that right. But if you read those treaties you'll notice there are alot of basic assumptions that just aren't in there, those were treaties imposed by force lets not forget and if upheld to the letter they aren't very pleasant to live under.
Of course my own personal view is that Natives Lands should be made in provincial equivalent governments, with democracy for the inhabitants (because I refuse to believe the inhabitants of those first nations wouldn't have switched from monarchy or despotism to Monarchy like everyone else in the world did in the same timeframe, many first nations had already begun switching to democracy before european contact)
#813
Re: Israel...
Jan 19th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
Of course there is another " final solution" to the Palestinian "problem"... I'm sure Israel could pass a law and make it legal.
And if they were going to they would have. And then you would be justifying their actions like you are with Hamas and the laws they passed that makes the final solution legal against Jews.
#814
Re: Israel...
Jan 19th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
The problem with that, is its all bull****. Sorry, no easy way to put that.Z:
I believe your problem is that you are having a hard time understanding that peace will only come to this region with a morally correct and just solution. That means these people must have freedom and justice.
But since the concept of morality and justice eludes you Z, maybe this legal information will help answer your question:
All UNRWA is responsible for is making sure these people's basic needs are met. They have no authority to resolve this problem. But they do identify the Palestinian refugee problem as unique and why.
A host country has to agree to accept their refugees. They have not.
Refugees have to agree to live in their host countries. They have not.
In such cases when the country of origin refuses to recognize the right of refugees to return home, they would face international sanctions and pressure until the problem is resolved. In this case, Israel is the exception.
Since Israel, the host nations and the UN has created this unique situation, the UN has been force to pass resolutions specific to the Palestinian refugee problem.
In these UN resolutions regarding the Palestinian refugee problem, the UN has recognized Palestinians as a "people" with "inalienable rights". One of which is their right to return to their homes and property.
For example:
A/RES/3236 (XXIX)
22 November 1974
A "people" is a different classification than a "person". A person can be a refugee, but a "people" is like a "nation" and includes descendants. Also if you notice the wording in section 5, these "people" have a right to regain their rights by "all means".
The Palestinian "people" probably have a legal UN charter right to use military force to regain rights illegally denied them by Israel.
The rights of the Palestinian "people" could be voided by a new UN or UNSC resolution. Until then previous resolutions remain legally binding.
The UN cannot "legally bind" anything. It does not supercede national sovereignty nor does it even comprise of all nations in the world.
The UN has no power to "legally" do anything. There is no special power here.
If the host country doesn't recognize the refugees, fine. But you know what? If a kid is born in that host country (even to illegal immigrant, refugee or tourist parents) guess where that kid is from?
Children of refugees are not refugees, even if the UNRWA would like to make it so. The children of refugees aren't refugees and don't get to choose their homeland.
Maybe I'd like to choose that Im still a refugee from Holland? Too bad, so sad. Thats the nature of human suffering and the terror of colonialism. Deal. Like the majority of the planet has.
Nothing is special about Palestine other than a bunch of nations keep pretending it is due to deep seated racism and arab nationalism and supremacy.
The type that drove the coptics from egypt, are attempting to drive the african's from Sudan, drive the Kurds from Iraq etc.
#815
Re: Israel...
Jan 19th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov
As for natives, I think the native peoples should get to decide if they want to live up to the exact nature of those treaties or re-negotiate by a referendum.
It is the Canadian Govt that is not living up to their original agreements. The parts that benefited the First Nation were reneged on. That is why I say the Canadian taxpayer would support the First Nation's rights until it hit them in the pocketbook, at that point all support for their rights (including the right to sue) would vanish.
#816
Re: Israel...
Jan 19th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov
The Belfour Declaration did not come with a time limit, if you had an ancestor living in that area that got moved you have a claim.Maybe I'd like to choose that Im still a refugee from Holland? Too bad, so sad. Thats the nature of human suffering and the terror of colonialism. Deal. Like the majority of the planet has.
Try being a little bit realistic, what kept your parents (I assume they were the head of the household) from returning. And just what made them refugees in the first place, the Dutch were never an intentionally targeted people.
#817
Re: Israel...
Jan 20th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
Nothing kept the people who actually left from returning. But the Palestinian refugee issue is about children and grandchildren and great grandchildren.The Belfour Declaration did not come with a time limit, if you had an ancestor living in that area that got moved you have a claim.
Try being a little bit realistic, what kept your parents (I assume they were the head of the household) from returning. And just what made them refugees in the first place, the Dutch were never an intentionally targeted people.
The reason it took so long for them to be able to return that they could have children, grandchildren and great grandchildren is that even now the war isn't technically over. Not all the aggressor nations have made peace even now.
#818
Re: Israel...
Jan 20th, 2009
Israel the Motherland-is Mother dying?
Emigration from Israel exceeds immigration, report
Deutsche Presse-Agentur (dpa)
04/20/2007
Tel Aviv (dpa) - In Israel, the number of emigrants exceeded the number of immigrants for the first time in 20 years, the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot reported Friday.
Many emigrants were recent arrivals who wanted to leave Israel again, the report said. In 2007, 14,400 immigrants are expected in Israel while 20,000 people are expected to leave the country, according to the report based on figures for the first months of 2007.
The last time emigration exceeded immigration was in the aftermath of the 1973 Yom Kippur War and in 1983 and 1984 when inflation was high.
Meanwhile the Maariv newspaper reported that approximately a quarter of the Israeli population was considering emigration.
Almost half of the country's young people were thinking of leaving the country, the report said. Their reasons included dissatisfaction with the government, the education system, a lack of confidence in the political ruling class and concern over the security situation.
Even so, most Soviet Jews chose Israel as the last resort when they couldn’t get into the US, Australia, or Germany. Israeli state brainwashed young Israelis to eradicate religiosity and radical nationalism, and left the generation with no strong attachment to the land of Israel. Jews of the Diaspora look at Israel with awe, but for many Israelis the Promised Land is banality.
Emigration from Israel exceeds immigration, report
Deutsche Presse-Agentur (dpa)
04/20/2007
Tel Aviv (dpa) - In Israel, the number of emigrants exceeded the number of immigrants for the first time in 20 years, the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot reported Friday.
Many emigrants were recent arrivals who wanted to leave Israel again, the report said. In 2007, 14,400 immigrants are expected in Israel while 20,000 people are expected to leave the country, according to the report based on figures for the first months of 2007.
The last time emigration exceeded immigration was in the aftermath of the 1973 Yom Kippur War and in 1983 and 1984 when inflation was high.
Meanwhile the Maariv newspaper reported that approximately a quarter of the Israeli population was considering emigration.
Almost half of the country's young people were thinking of leaving the country, the report said. Their reasons included dissatisfaction with the government, the education system, a lack of confidence in the political ruling class and concern over the security situation.
Even so, most Soviet Jews chose Israel as the last resort when they couldn’t get into the US, Australia, or Germany. Israeli state brainwashed young Israelis to eradicate religiosity and radical nationalism, and left the generation with no strong attachment to the land of Israel. Jews of the Diaspora look at Israel with awe, but for many Israelis the Promised Land is banality.
#819
Re: Israel...
Jan 20th, 2009
There are 436,000 Israeli children that are poor with the poverty level among non-Jews almost doubling over Jews. The striking statistic of almost 171,000 children were living in difficult economic circumstances in 1997 with their entire family's income based on welfare.
(Arabs are treated just the same as Jews in Israel -Yeh right!)
The Zionist regime's cabinet has approved the budget draft of 2008 with a rise of $1.1b in defense spending.
After hours of discussion, the cabinet supported by ministers of prime minister Ehud Olmert's Kadima party, the right-wing Yisrael Beiteinu party and pensioners' party, voted 21-5 in favor of the budget.
Olmert rejected all calls for sharp spending boosts saying that fiscal discipline is essential especially during a time where there are some signs of instability in the global economy.
The military gets the lion's share of the budget with the allocation of $11.8b, including $2.4b of annual aid from the United States, which could increase to more than 3 billion by next year.
Rather than peace which was offered 5 years ago, Israel plans to spend $2000 for every man, woman and child in Israel to siege Gaza, attack and control occupied portions of other countries and begs for charity to feed the poor. Hey wait--for a family of 8 that is $16,000-$160,000 in 10 years-
(Arabs are treated just the same as Jews in Israel -Yeh right!)
The Zionist regime's cabinet has approved the budget draft of 2008 with a rise of $1.1b in defense spending.
After hours of discussion, the cabinet supported by ministers of prime minister Ehud Olmert's Kadima party, the right-wing Yisrael Beiteinu party and pensioners' party, voted 21-5 in favor of the budget.
Olmert rejected all calls for sharp spending boosts saying that fiscal discipline is essential especially during a time where there are some signs of instability in the global economy.
The military gets the lion's share of the budget with the allocation of $11.8b, including $2.4b of annual aid from the United States, which could increase to more than 3 billion by next year.
Rather than peace which was offered 5 years ago, Israel plans to spend $2000 for every man, woman and child in Israel to siege Gaza, attack and control occupied portions of other countries and begs for charity to feed the poor. Hey wait--for a family of 8 that is $16,000-$160,000 in 10 years-
#820
Re: Israel...
Jan 20th, 2009
Zz--stop diverting--Israel is the topic-your mind wanders-Zzzzzzzzzzzzz wake up!
#821
Re: Israel...
Jan 20th, 2009
Uh huh,
And you don't think that the way our own nation acts when put in the exact same situation is important?
Looks like someone wants to blame Jews, but not accept any blame for acting the same way.
And you don't think that the way our own nation acts when put in the exact same situation is important?
Looks like someone wants to blame Jews, but not accept any blame for acting the same way.
#822
Re: Israel...
Jan 22nd, 2009
An Israeli accident other. It's the truth. Israeli truth and honour. Zzzzzzzzzzzz truth----
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – A Palestinian medical official says an Israeli gunboat firing off the shores of Gaza City has wounded a man and a girl.
The Israeli military says it was firing to deter a Palestinian fishing vessel that had strayed off-limits.
Dr. Moaiya Hassanain says a shell fired by the boat hit a house in a beachside refugee camp. He says the two who were wounded were walking in the street.
Another shell landed about 100 yards (meters) away in an empty area near a U.N. aid distribution center.
Three gunboats were operating off Gaza City's coast Thursday.
Gunboats have been firing off Gaza's shore for several days despite a cease-fire that has ended a three-week Israeli offensive against Gaza rocket operations aimed at Israel.
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – A Palestinian medical official says an Israeli gunboat firing off the shores of Gaza City has wounded a man and a girl.
The Israeli military says it was firing to deter a Palestinian fishing vessel that had strayed off-limits.
Dr. Moaiya Hassanain says a shell fired by the boat hit a house in a beachside refugee camp. He says the two who were wounded were walking in the street.
Another shell landed about 100 yards (meters) away in an empty area near a U.N. aid distribution center.
Three gunboats were operating off Gaza City's coast Thursday.
Gunboats have been firing off Gaza's shore for several days despite a cease-fire that has ended a three-week Israeli offensive against Gaza rocket operations aimed at Israel.
#823
Re: Israel...
Jan 22nd, 2009
Raphael Eiten Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Force 1983--"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it is scurry around like drugged cock roaches in a bottle" New York Times April 14, 1983
Jews report that there are 35,000 Jew Haters in the USA.
Carter the JEW HATER
“I have spent a lot of time in Palestine in recent years. … The Palestinians have had their own land, first of all, occupied and then confiscated and then colonized. They’ve been excluded from their own gardens and fields, and pastures and churches. They have been severely restrained in their movements. They have to have different kinds of passes to go through different checkpoints inside their own lands on their own roads. The Israelis have built more than 200 settlements inside Palestine.They connect these settlements with very nice roads for the Israeli settlers, and then superhighways and so forth going into Jerusalem. Quite often the Palestinians are prevented from even riding on those roads that have been built in their own territory. So this has been in many ways worse than it was in South Africa.”
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Carter received 71% of the Jewish vote in 1976.
Obama 78% of Jewish vote in 2008
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AND then we have the worst of all THE Self-Hating Jew
The heading of Abbas's doctoral thesis was: Zionist Leadership and the Nazis. The introduction dealt with, among other topics, "the secret ties between the Nazis and the Zionist movement leadership." It further raised doubts that gas chambers were used to kill the Jews. He argued that the gas chambers were not used to kill people, but only to disinfect them and burn bodies to prevent disease.
Abbas better not go to Germany our Austria--prison on arrival
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We can't call him a Jew hater --SOO we call him a self-hating Jew--I guess self hating Jews don't go to prison --very confusing
Jews report that there are 35,000 Jew Haters in the USA.
Carter the JEW HATER
“I have spent a lot of time in Palestine in recent years. … The Palestinians have had their own land, first of all, occupied and then confiscated and then colonized. They’ve been excluded from their own gardens and fields, and pastures and churches. They have been severely restrained in their movements. They have to have different kinds of passes to go through different checkpoints inside their own lands on their own roads. The Israelis have built more than 200 settlements inside Palestine.They connect these settlements with very nice roads for the Israeli settlers, and then superhighways and so forth going into Jerusalem. Quite often the Palestinians are prevented from even riding on those roads that have been built in their own territory. So this has been in many ways worse than it was in South Africa.”
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Carter received 71% of the Jewish vote in 1976.
Obama 78% of Jewish vote in 2008
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AND then we have the worst of all THE Self-Hating Jew
YouTube - Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss
The heading of Abbas's doctoral thesis was: Zionist Leadership and the Nazis. The introduction dealt with, among other topics, "the secret ties between the Nazis and the Zionist movement leadership." It further raised doubts that gas chambers were used to kill the Jews. He argued that the gas chambers were not used to kill people, but only to disinfect them and burn bodies to prevent disease.
Abbas better not go to Germany our Austria--prison on arrival
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We can't call him a Jew hater --SOO we call him a self-hating Jew--I guess self hating Jews don't go to prison --very confusing
YouTube - Zionist Israel What the world should know
#824
Re: Israel...
Jan 22nd, 2009George Mitchell named special envoy for the Middle East,
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good choice.....
#825
Re: Israel...
Jan 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates the Greek
I don't know him closely and looked up his Bio:George Mitchell named special envoy for the Middle East,
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good choice.....
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He is of Lebanese and Irish parentage... very handsome
#827
Re: Israel...
Jan 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov
Well Loon, here is the hypocrisy in that statement.
You stand as a European on Native Land. This land was taken from Native North Americans by Europeans through the unlawful use of force.
And while you yourself did nothing, nor did the Israeli citizens. In your case, the fighting was done even by the ancestors of others, you just immigrated here. So too is the case with more Israelis.
So If a native told you to abandon your house right now and leave , and all your children and their children had to leave Canada too? Would you? And if you didn't would they be right to shoot rockets at your house and try and kill your family?
Nice trap! But sure, I would swim back to Germany. Problem is, would they take me back? I'm no longer a citizen = no rights; would have to beg for asylum!
As for the Natives having the right to shoot and kill me... hm... in a way, yes, if we hadn't made peace and signed certain agreements. I would try to negotiate with them and propose to take one of their many cottages on Lake Huron, and they can have my house here in town.
Zzarkov, aren't you comparing apples with onions? It is not the Palestinians (Natives) who drive the Jews (Europeans) off the land, it's the other way around. The Jews are in the process of taking the Land away from the Natives to this day! All agreements worked out over the years always failed, because of Israelis not wanting to give back the land unlawfully taken from the Natives.
You and MHz have discussed these issues in the meantime, and eao, and ein Mensch are much more knowledgeable than I could ever be on these topics.
(I've been stuck for the last 2 hours on a site about the Russian Oligarchs - am tired now.)In case anyone is interested, here is the link:
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2nd page under this heading:
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Sorry, I see it is in German. Ein Mensch might be interested?
Anyway, Zzarchov, all I wanted to find out was, when did the first Europeans come over here and started to drive the Natives off their land? Was it 1600 something?
Long time ago. We were then like the Israelis are now.
#828
Re: Israel...
Jan 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by gopher
I'm glad to hear that from you, Gopher. He seems like a decent man. I wish him lots of luck with his job.Mitchell: very well qualified for the job.
#829
Re: Israel...
Jan 22nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon
How is that any different than any Israeli citizen?
Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon
And when they say no? You and your descendants cannot stay and they refuse to recognize your right to live here, ever? Thats Hamas and why the west is boycotting them.As for the Natives having the right to shoot and kill me... hm... in a way, yes, if we hadn't made peace and signed certain agreements. I would try to negotiate with them and propose to take one of their many cottages on Lake Huron, and they can have my house here in town.
Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon
No, thats it exactly. In the 1840's to 1940's the Israelis took Palestinian land. Canadians took Native land up into the 1950's, really up until the 70's. Some can say we still are.Zzarkov, aren't you comparing apples with onions? It is not the Palestinians (Natives) who drive the Jews (Europeans) off the land, it's the other way around.
So if the Natives decided to shoot at you to get back their land, should they?
Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon
Not quite, they already gave back more than half their land to make peace. They are willing unilaterally to give back even more. They already offered to let the palestinians go, they unilaterally left Gaza, but its not enough, it never is. Hamas plainly states it will never be enough until the whole region is an islamic theocracy. That is their mission statement.The Jews are in the process of taking the Land away from the Natives to this day! All agreements worked out over the years always failed, because of Israelis not wanting to give back the land unlawfully taken from the Natives.
Meanwhile, we were taking native land after Israel stopped taking arab land. Which I should note, they legally immigrated to under the jurisdiction of the Ottoman rules by and large.
Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon
You and MHz have discussed these issues in the meantime, and eao, and ein Mensch are much more knowledgeable than I could ever be on these topics.
(I've been stuck for the last 2 hours on a site about the Russian Oligarchs - am tired now.)In case anyone is interested, here is the link:
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2nd page under this heading:
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Sorry, I see it is in German. Ein Mensch might be interested?
Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon
We started in the 1500's, but Jewish Settlers started in earnest in the 1840's.Anyway, Zzarchov, all I wanted to find out was, when did the first Europeans come over here and started to drive the Natives off their land? Was it 1600 something?
Long time ago. We were then like the Israelis are now.
We started opening up the west in the 1860's.
Israel really stopped in the 1940's, taking land from foreign powers in the 60's and immediatly setting about giving it back (they gave back the majority of their landmass for piece with Egypt)
Canada stopped taking land from natives AFTER Israel.
#830
Re: Israel...
Jan 23rd, 2009
Zz-Israel was formed and Israel started to spread like Ringworm in 1948, not before and realized its dream of encroachment in 1967. Israel, all of Palestine for Jews only. Deutchland fuer Deutche<-- Jews didn't like that but Jews only is sacred to them-go figure---best part even when Jews get a free ride to Israel it is their last choice--I guess they see it like you Zz since you are not there as the land of sour milk and sugar coated honey- Israel will have much difficulty conscripting soldiers as emigration exceeds immigration and mouthpieces can't occupy other peoples lands nor secure illegal Jewish only settlements. They will soon need you there Zz.
Immigration to Israel
(1948-2007)
1948101,8281949239,9541950170,5631951175,279195224 ,610195311,575195418,491195537,528195656,330195772 ,634195827,290195923,988196024,692196147,735196261 ,533196364,489196455,036196531,115196615,957196714 ,469196820,703196938,111197036,750197141,930197255 ,888197354,886197431,981197520,028197619,754197721 ,429197826,394197937,222198020,428198112,599198213 ,723198316,906198419,981198510,64219869,505198712, 965198813,0341989
Immigration to Israel
(1948-2007)
1948101,8281949239,9541950170,5631951175,279195224 ,610195311,575195418,491195537,528195656,330195772 ,634195827,290195923,988196024,692196147,735196261 ,533196364,489196455,036196531,115196615,957196714 ,469196820,703196938,111197036,750197141,930197255 ,888197354,886197431,981197520,028197619,754197721 ,429197826,394197937,222198020,428198112,599198213 ,723198316,906198419,981198510,64219869,505198712, 965198813,0341989
24,300
1990200,170
1991176,650
199277,350
199377,860
199480,810
199577,660
199672,180
199767,990
199858,500
199978,400
200061,542
200144,633
200235,168
200324,652
200422,500
200522,818
200620,961200719,700Total3,053,799Sources: Central Bureau of Statistics, --. -- (December 29, 2002); Ministry of Immigrant Absorption; Washington Jewish Week, (January 3, 200
#831
Re: Israel...
Jan 23rd, 2009
Uh huh, its a good thing they also have a birth rate and a growing population, not the least in thanks to their growing Arab Muslim population with its statistically higher birthrate. Who by the way, are also proud Israelis and are quite happy with their time in the military.
#832
Re: Israel...
Jan 23rd, 2009
[quote=Zzarchov;1042258]Uh huh, its a good thing they also have a birth rate and a growing population, not the least in thanks to their growing Arab Muslim population with its statistically higher birthrate. Who by the way, are also proud Israelis and are quite happy with their time in the military.[/quote]
Yes Zz-And the Israeli Minister of Education stated that Arab, Bedouine schools didn't need washrooms because they wouldn't know how to use them.
Nowadays Assad Ghanem scoffs at being called an Arab citizen of Israel. "We are not full citizens, this country is only for the Jews," he told IPS. He has become markedly more disillusioned about the situation over the last couple of years. "The way the police killed our people in 2000 shows that we don't count, we don't even have the possibility to demand our rights."
Businesses in the Arab villages close to the border with Lebanon will get less compensation simply because they are Arab.”
The Arabs of Israel are people to be pitied. They are second-class citizens. They have split loyalties. They suffer all kinds of slights. Some of this may be correct, although I didn't see much of this when I lived in Jaffa eight years ago.
The educational system has given a low priority to teacher training for the Arab school system and provides less "in-service" training to Palestinian Arab teachers already within the system than is routine within the majority system. Palestinian Arab teachers on average have lower qualifications and receive lower salaries than non-Palestinian Arab teachers. Financial incentives for teachers assigned in particularly deprived areas like parts of the Negev are lower than those made available to teachers in Jewish schools identified as hardship postings. Training in special education for teachers in the Arab school system has been largely insufficient.
On June 2, 2004 a report was published by The Musawa Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel. The report paints a grim picture, documenting numerous cases of racism against Israeli Arabs in the past four years. Among other examples, the report cites 16 incidents where Arabs have been killed since the October 2000 riots, where 12 Israeli Arabs died.
The rise in the Bedouin recruitment rate is attributed to Bedouin's difficulty in finding well-paid jobs outside the military and problems with the local authorities. The IDF has also improved its treatment of Bedouin army veterans and is helping them find employment.
Israeli Arabs are treated like dirt but they LOVE to fight for Israel. Zz-give us some sources for your claim.
Yes Zz-And the Israeli Minister of Education stated that Arab, Bedouine schools didn't need washrooms because they wouldn't know how to use them.
Nowadays Assad Ghanem scoffs at being called an Arab citizen of Israel. "We are not full citizens, this country is only for the Jews," he told IPS. He has become markedly more disillusioned about the situation over the last couple of years. "The way the police killed our people in 2000 shows that we don't count, we don't even have the possibility to demand our rights."
Businesses in the Arab villages close to the border with Lebanon will get less compensation simply because they are Arab.”
The Arabs of Israel are people to be pitied. They are second-class citizens. They have split loyalties. They suffer all kinds of slights. Some of this may be correct, although I didn't see much of this when I lived in Jaffa eight years ago.
The educational system has given a low priority to teacher training for the Arab school system and provides less "in-service" training to Palestinian Arab teachers already within the system than is routine within the majority system. Palestinian Arab teachers on average have lower qualifications and receive lower salaries than non-Palestinian Arab teachers. Financial incentives for teachers assigned in particularly deprived areas like parts of the Negev are lower than those made available to teachers in Jewish schools identified as hardship postings. Training in special education for teachers in the Arab school system has been largely insufficient.
On June 2, 2004 a report was published by The Musawa Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel. The report paints a grim picture, documenting numerous cases of racism against Israeli Arabs in the past four years. Among other examples, the report cites 16 incidents where Arabs have been killed since the October 2000 riots, where 12 Israeli Arabs died.
The rise in the Bedouin recruitment rate is attributed to Bedouin's difficulty in finding well-paid jobs outside the military and problems with the local authorities. The IDF has also improved its treatment of Bedouin army veterans and is helping them find employment.
Israeli Arabs are treated like dirt but they LOVE to fight for Israel. Zz-give us some sources for your claim.
Republican
#833
Re: Israel...
Jan 23rd, 2009
Poor Zz believes everything they tell him. It's a disappearing country. You know I was told the Ethiopion Israelis were giving some old mine fields to live on.
#834
Re: Israel...
Jan 23rd, 2009
Uh huh. You're logic seems to be that Minorities feel excluded therefore the society is aparatheid. Up until a few days ago, America was much the same. Canada still is, let alone France, Britain or any European country.
No matter how you shake it the facts dispute you.
No matter how you shake it the facts dispute you.
#835
Re: Israel...
Jan 24th, 2009
What facts Zz-You present no facts. You post your opinion and arrogant as you are you consider your opinions fact. I asked you to provide sources but you don't.
Election day in the United States, 2008, will be remembered in most history books as the day Americans elected the first African-American as president. But it also deserves to go down in history for another reason. It was the first day when Americans rejected the instructions of their pro-Israel politicians and newspapers and instead voted for the principle that non-Jews should be equal with Jews under the law inside Israel, and not discriminated against as they are today in apartheid Israel.
The Significance of This Vote is Enormous
The significance of this vote is enormous. It demonstrates that Americans support the principle of equality, and believe that Israel is wrong in discriminating against non-Jews under the law. It shows that Americans do not want their government to support this discrimination inside Israel, regardless of whether Israel is "our ally" or a "Jewish state." It shows, in other words, that when given a chance to choose between the principle of equality versus the Zionist principle of inequality (that Israel must be a "Jewish" state in which the sovereign authority is "the Jewish people" and not all citizens equally) then Americans chose equality, even when their politicians and newspapers tell them not to.
“Vote No” campaigning by the Boston Globe, both Somerville newspapers and the Israeli Consul for New England, as well as Mayor Curtatone, Congressman Capuano, and both candidates for governor —Deval Patrick (now the Democratic Party governor) and Kerry Healy the Republican–featuring glossy mass mailings and signboards with photographs of all four politicians saying “We Stand With Israel, Vote No on Questions 5 and 6,” and despite the unanimity of all these “respectable” leaders making many voters wonder if perhaps the SDP’s ballot questions that seemed so reasonable on the surface might actually reflect some kind of bad hidden agenda, despite all this the “Yes” vote was 31% for divestment and 45% for supporting the right of return of Palestinians.
Zz getting the picture --Israel is America's best friend is Zionist propaganda . Bribed Corrupt Leaders are Israel's best friend along with a few little dingalings that consider themselves important.
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The Significance of This Vote is Enormous
The significance of this vote is enormous. It demonstrates that Americans support the principle of equality, and believe that Israel is wrong in discriminating against non-Jews under the law. It shows that Americans do not want their government to support this discrimination inside Israel, regardless of whether Israel is "our ally" or a "Jewish state." It shows, in other words, that when given a chance to choose between the principle of equality versus the Zionist principle of inequality (that Israel must be a "Jewish" state in which the sovereign authority is "the Jewish people" and not all citizens equally) then Americans chose equality, even when their politicians and newspapers tell them not to.
“Vote No” campaigning by the Boston Globe, both Somerville newspapers and the Israeli Consul for New England, as well as Mayor Curtatone, Congressman Capuano, and both candidates for governor —Deval Patrick (now the Democratic Party governor) and Kerry Healy the Republican–featuring glossy mass mailings and signboards with photographs of all four politicians saying “We Stand With Israel, Vote No on Questions 5 and 6,” and despite the unanimity of all these “respectable” leaders making many voters wonder if perhaps the SDP’s ballot questions that seemed so reasonable on the surface might actually reflect some kind of bad hidden agenda, despite all this the “Yes” vote was 31% for divestment and 45% for supporting the right of return of Palestinians.
Zz getting the picture --Israel is America's best friend is Zionist propaganda . Bribed Corrupt Leaders are Israel's best friend along with a few little dingalings that consider themselves important.
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#836
Re: Israel...
Jan 24th, 2009
"I graduated [from university] nearly two years ago and I can't get a suitable job," said Danny, aged 27, an Ethiopian Jew with a degree in social sciences.
"I'm beginning to think that going to university was a huge effort for nothing," he told IRIN, explaining that he now worked as a parking attendant and washed cars to make ends meet. He felt race played a role in his inability to find a better job.
"We see more and more disassociation and a higher rate of involvement in crime among [the youth in] the Ethiopian sector - much more than their percentage of the general population," Zion Gabai, from Elem, an Israeli NGO that helps children at risk, told IRIN.
Einat Gans from Fidel, an Ethiopian Jewish association for education and integration, said the main issue was not a lack of funds, but the failure of NGOs and the government to draw up and implement the necessary plans to assist the community.
Of the limited numbers of Ethiopians who managed to graduate from university, only about 15 percent were employed in their professions; the rest worked in menial jobs, according to last year's survey by the National Ethiopian Project.
Of the limited numbers of Ethiopians who managed to graduate from university, only about 15 percent were employed in their professions; the rest worked in menial jobs, according to last year's survey by the National Ethiopian Project.
Clearing mine fields would be a good job for these recent Etheopian University grads. They can enjoy the free democratic Promised Land.
"I'm beginning to think that going to university was a huge effort for nothing," he told IRIN, explaining that he now worked as a parking attendant and washed cars to make ends meet. He felt race played a role in his inability to find a better job.
"We see more and more disassociation and a higher rate of involvement in crime among [the youth in] the Ethiopian sector - much more than their percentage of the general population," Zion Gabai, from Elem, an Israeli NGO that helps children at risk, told IRIN.
Einat Gans from Fidel, an Ethiopian Jewish association for education and integration, said the main issue was not a lack of funds, but the failure of NGOs and the government to draw up and implement the necessary plans to assist the community.
Of the limited numbers of Ethiopians who managed to graduate from university, only about 15 percent were employed in their professions; the rest worked in menial jobs, according to last year's survey by the National Ethiopian Project.
Of the limited numbers of Ethiopians who managed to graduate from university, only about 15 percent were employed in their professions; the rest worked in menial jobs, according to last year's survey by the National Ethiopian Project.
Clearing mine fields would be a good job for these recent Etheopian University grads. They can enjoy the free democratic Promised Land.
Republican
#838
Re: Israel...
Jan 24th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov
Actually that wasn't the point Zz, it was that Jews don't want to live there because of the rascism. America is fixed now is it? That's wonderful news, there is hope for Israel then. Now if it only had time.Uh huh. You're logic seems to be that Minorities feel excluded therefore the society is aparatheid. Up until a few days ago, America was much the same. Canada still is, let alone France, Britain or any European country.
No matter how you shake it the facts dispute you.
Free Thinker
#839
Re: Israel...
Jan 24th, 2009
Earned it? Maybe so. Lord it over they who they deem as beneath them? Too often. Perhaps a bit of humility might soften the harsh edges that invite persecution. Arrogance - in anyone - invites contempt.
Woof!
If you look back to the US Civil Rights battles of the 50’s -60’s Jewish support for this was public and support was vocal – Funds were provided – Their influence was substantial
Woof!
If you look back to the US Civil Rights battles of the 50’s -60’s Jewish support for this was public and support was vocal – Funds were provided – Their influence was substantial
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