Israel...

Israel...

lone wolf

Free Thinker

#751

Re: Israel...

Jan 3rd, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov

Thats not logic at all. No matter what happens, Israel will always be the villain in peoples mind. But here you are, trying to drag me back in, you are welcome to any beliefs you may hold, thankfully it won't ever matter.

Ha! Considering neither of us matter from a Middle Eastern perspective, what logic would there be in dragging you anywhere?

einmensch

#752

Re: Israel...

Jan 4th, 2009

The Palestinian people are the new victims of the crimes against humanity — committed by a people who once were the victims. And nobody can claim this holocaust is veiled in secrecy, taking place in a remote corner of the earth away from the glare of the world media.

Blackleaf

#753

Re: Israel...

Jan 4th, 2009

Israel is justified in what it is doing. Beforehand, Hamas was firing rockets into Israel, as many as 600 a week. Now they are going to the international community complaining about Israel. Hamas remind me of a school bully who repeatedly punches his victim, then when the victim retaliates with a few punches himself to defend himself, the bully runs to the teacher crying because he got punched.

The fact that Hamas never killed as many people as the Israelis have killed is only thanks to the fact that Hamas rockets are not as accurate as Israeli rockets (many Hamas rockets have landed on the Gaza Strip itself), though Hamas WOULD have killed hundreds of Israelis civilians if their rockets were more accurate and Hamas's intent to do do is there.

But whereas Hamas deliberately aims for Israeli citizens, Israel is doing its best to aim for Hamas terrorists only. Only around a fifth of Gazan casualties are civilians, and this is partly thanks to Hamas (who have, in the past, thrown women and homosexuals off the top of cliffs) putting some of their rocket launchers in schools and hospitals.

Put it this way, if France fires 600 rockets into Britain in the space of a week then Britain would be well justified to fire hundreds of rockets onto French cities.

It's also a pity the British didn't act the same way against Irish terrorism than the Israelis are against Hamas terrorism. The RAF could have destroyed Ireland and Boston.

earth_as_one

#754

Re: Israel...

Jan 4th, 2009

A recent map of the West Bank concentration camps:

It came from this webpage:

Quote:

Broken Ceasefire: Facts about the Israeli War on Palestine
Thursday, January 01 2009 @ 09:23 PM EST
Edited by: Michael Hess
Israel broke the latest ceasefire early in November 2008
BBSNews 2009-01-01 -- By Michael Hess. Western press have recently and erroneously reported that Hamas broke a six month ceasefire even as most reported in November 2008 that Israel itself first broke the informal truce. In recent days Prime Minister Olmert has tied the end of the current attacks by Israel on Gaza to an international "monitoring" force to ensure that Hamas meets terms of a new ceasefire. Some of the early pre-strike tactics have been questioned by officials, and it is unlikely this latest conflict will resolve anything because it does not address the root cause, the ongoing occupations.
In this decades long occupation of Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem there have been many lulls that lapse into tit for tat violence and then creep back into lulls again.
In the most recent case, Hamas and Israel came to an informal agreement in June 2008 where Hamas would halt rocket fire and reign in various militant factions in the Strip while at the same time opening border crossings....
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einmensch

#755

Re: Israel...

Jan 7th, 2009

Please tell us how badly Jews have been treated and how kind they are to others.

It seems Israel with the USA's blessing can do no wrong. Might is Right--Hermann Goering spoke the truth.

dancing-loon

#756

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by einmensch

Please tell us how badly Jews have been treated and how kind they are to others.

It seems Israel with the USA's blessing can do no wrong. Might is Right--Hermann Goering spoke the truth.

I haven't been here for a while and have by far not read all the posts, so it is possible that the following essay has already been posted here - in that case I apologize for repeating it.

This essay goes way back and lists all the persecutions of the Jewish people by Christians and non-Christians, with reasons of why given.

As it appears presently and in the recent history it seems the Jews are a domineering kind of people. If one considers however how over the past 2000 years the Jews have been treated, one cannot help but wonder, if these conflicts between Jews and other groups has developed something like a subconscious urge that carries itself through the generations to this very day... like a tit for tat.

Right now it is the Palestinians who bear the brunt of the Jews anger; before it was the Jews being persecuted by the Germans; before that it was the Jews (Bolsheviks) killing the Russians and so on down the history lane.

It is just a thought of mine to find a reason for these agonizing conflicts going on and on forever. What would it take to finally stop the atrocities against each other? Would the Jews be satisfied and happy once they have all of Palestine as their homeland?
Could the Palestinians for their own good and survival finally comprehend that they have to let go and rather be assimilated by other Arab states?

Your thoughts on this, please.

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Zzarchov

#757

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

The Bolsheviks were not "Jews" for christs sake, one, they were communists and militantly athiest. They persecuted Jews too.

And before the Germans, it was actually Russian Pogroms, but they tended to be against any "outsiders" muslims, catholics, jews, anyone but eastern orthodox.

"The Jews" really don't care about "Palestine" as a land. They took it in a war for their survival and have been trying to give it back for years.

They gave back the Sinai (egypt wouldn't take gaza back too) which was half of Israeli occupied land for peace.

They unilaterally stopped occupying or in any way settling Gaza so Gaza could try and be its own nation, Gaza refused.

I also find it funny for a German to be saying maybe the Jews deserve to be persecuted everywhere they go.

In case you are forgetting Loon, German history hasn't been that fun in terms of being driven all over the place either.

Socrates the Greek

#758

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon

I haven't been here for a while and have by far not read all the posts, so it is possible that the following essay has already been posted here - in that case I apologize for repeating it.
This essay goes way back and lists all the persecutions of the Jewish people by Christians and non-Christians, with reasons of why given.
As it appears presently and in the recent history it seems the Jews are a domineering kind of people. If one considers however how over the past 2000 years the Jews have been treated, one cannot help but wonder, if these conflicts between Jews and other groups has developed something like a subconscious urge that carries itself through the generations to this very day... like a tit for tat.
Right now it is the Palestinians who bear the brunt of the Jews anger; before it was the Jews being persecuted by the Germans; before that it was the Jews (Bolsheviks) killing the Russians and so on down the history lane.
It is just a thought of mine to find a reason for these agonizing conflicts going on and on forever. What would it take to finally stop the atrocities against each other? Would the Jews be satisfied and happy once they have all of Palestine as their homeland?
Could the Palestinians for their own good and survival finally comprehend that they have to let go and rather be assimilated by other Arab states?
Quote has been trimmed, See full post:

Dancing-loon:

“As it appears presently and in the recent history it seems the Jews are a domineering kind of people. If one considers however how over the past 2000 years the Jews have been treated, one cannot help but wonder, if these conflicts between Jews and other groups has developed something like a subconscious urge that carries itself through the generations to this very day... like a tit for tat.

Socrates the Greek:

As we see through out the history of the Arab Israeli conflict, we see that the Jews are out numbered 50 to 1 while the Arabs are occupying 640 times more land then the Jews. Naturally the Jews, like any other race would have to develop a way of communication that would declare them capable to stand up the 50 Arabs to 1 Jew.
Moreover given the bad treatment the Jews have received through the Holocaust and the constant bulling they are facing from countries like Iran, who by the way is not Arab, the Jews have no choice but to be affective on any assault against the Jewish people. Keep in mind that the Jews are a people with their back to the sea and their face is facing an enemy in the form of a venomous snake with multiple heads.
It is Natural for the Jews to defend their people.
Canada would have done the same if the US was an enemy with Russia at the same time.

Dancing-loon

“Right now it is the Palestinians who bear the brunt of the Jews anger; before it was the Jews being persecuted by the Germans; before that it was the Jews (Bolsheviks) killing the Russians and so on down the history lane.

Socrates the Greek
The only solution for peace in the Middle East is to take out the bullies like Iran and Arabs who hate the Jews should understand that 640 times more land then the Jews, that alone should tell the Arabs to smarten up. But deaf ears, because ¾ of the Arab world they still live in caves, tribal thinking, hypocritical, and CHAUVINISTIC TO BOOT.

You brought some good points up on your post Dancing –loon, great to be in this huge blogosphere.

Last edited by Socrates the Greek; Jan 16th, 2009 at 02:32 PM..

einmensch

#759

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

During the Russian revolution Jews were resposible for millions of deaths in Russia.Zz. I suggest you prove otherwise. Your Zionist opinion is worthless.
In the end if jews are successful they will kill each other--just as they cheat each other now. The Ashkenazi have already killed and suppressed other sects.
Jewish boys go to Hebrew school where they are indoctrinated and when they go to university they occupy a section in the cafeteria-Jews only. A matter of self defense? Many Jews are very kind people that work hard and contribute. Large numbers of Jews throughout the world se the Zionists for what they are. Zionists need democracies so that with banking wealth they are able to purchase poleticians and control countries such as the USA, Germany, Canada--- Arab countries such as Egypt, Jordan, Israel Saudi Arabia---rely on the Jewish controlled USA to keep the leaders in power. Abbas is the Palestinian
Jewish chosen one.

Zzarchov

#760

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

You can't prove a negative numbnuts.

Their were people of Jewish descent in the Bolshevik party, obviously, it drew people from all over russia. They were however atheist, nor did they have any cultural ties to Jewish culture, they were just there. Like Christians descent and Muslim descent members.

The highest ranking "Jew" in the Bolshevik party was Trotsky and he got icepicked in the neck. Only 3 of the 21 members of the central comitee were Jewish.

I also wouldn't doubt that Jews may have had a slightly higher proportion of membership than Orthodox Slavic Russians, Jews (like Georgians, aka Stalin, and Muslims) were picked on quite harshly by the Czar and those groups no doubt fought in larger numbers.

"Jewish Bolshevism" is just nazi and white russian propaganda to try and draw support. If you wanna get technical, of Christians, Muslim and Jews, in Soviet Russia it was Jewish places of worship that were shut down in the highest percentage (edging out Muslims by 4 or 5% if I recall)

dancing-loon

#761

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

Thanks Sokrates and Zzarchov for your views. I don't mind at all being told I see this or that in a wrong light, after all, I'm not well educated in history, especially not the Jewish History. That's why this essay caught my interest, as it lists all these many conflicts down that long history corridor.

Sokrates, you are backing the Jews right now when you say they are up against an overwhelming majority of hostile Arabs. Then I like to ask, WHY would they even want to make their home there? Yes, they may be outnumbered peoplewise, but militarily they are superior to any or all neighboring countries. Let's not forget, they have a number of atom bombs at the ready to keep their enemies in check. Plus they have the Empire standing right behind them.

I don't want to go into the details of this present conflict with the Palestinians, but I rather was and still am interested to find the why of these endless conflicts, and if possible find solutions to finally cut the chain of violent confrontations involving the Jewish people.
I mean they must want, for their own peace and life enjoyment, be willing to look at all options and do their own part to stop this chain reaction.

Am I too simple-minded to think that way?

Zzarchov:

Quote:

I also find it funny for a German to be saying maybe the Jews deserve to be persecuted everywhere they go.

Zzarchov, where did I say that? I don't recall even thinking that. Please, don't accuse me of something that is not true. Don't fall in line with some other slanderers who call me a Nazi and Nazi scum. I was a child during the Nazi period, and I left Germany 54 years ago.
But as a person born in Germany, with German parents who happened to have been members of the Nazi party like millions of other Germans, I am now, in my old age, as I have the time and a computer, interested in wanting to know or find out the TRUTH of that time period... 1933 - 1945.

But let's leave that aside and focus on the phenomena of Jewish persecutions throughout history. WHY, I ask?

And also WHY, with all the experiences, enlightenments and psychological development are we, the Canadians, the Americans, the British and the Jews still engaging in wars against nations now hostile towards the Jews?

Are we unable or unwilling, whilst looking at that long list of conflicts, to say to ourselves, enough is enough! There are better and more mature ways to settle conflicts, be it through negotiations, diplomacy, goodwill, fairness, understanding, willingness to listen and consider the other side etc.

Zz, I will check up on the Bolshevik issue; I only went from my memory of what I had read recently.

Socrates the Greek

#762

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by einmensch

During the Russian revolution Jews were resposible for millions of deaths in Russia.Zz. I suggest you prove otherwise. Your Zionist opinion is worthless.
In the end if jews are successful they will kill each other--just as they cheat each other now. The Ashkenazi have already killed and suppressed other sects.
Jewish boys go to Hebrew school where they are indoctrinated and when they go to university they occupy a section in the cafeteria-Jews only. A matter of self defense? Many Jews are very kind people that work hard and contribute. Large numbers of Jews throughout the world se the Zionists for what they are. Zionists need democracies so that with banking wealth they are able to purchase poleticians and control countries such as the USA, Germany, Canada--- Arab countries such as Egypt, Jordan, Israel Saudi Arabia---rely on the Jewish controlled USA to keep the leaders in power. Abbas is the Palestinian
Jewish chosen one.

Nice statement of contradiction....If you were A JEW AND FACED THE SAME ENEMY, YOU WOULD WISH YOU WERE LIVING IN A DEFERENT TIME.

UNLESS YOU WEAR THE SAME SHOE, THEN YOU KNOW WERE IT FITS AND WERE IT DOESN’T.

ARABS 3/4 OF THEM ARE RUDE AND CHAUVINISTIC AND THEY ARE THE ONCE WHO HAVE IN THE PAST KILLED ONE ANOTHER. THE JEWS WOULD NEVER KILL THEIR PEOPLE. THE ARABS WILL KILL A WOMAN FOR SMILING AT ANOTHER MAN.

MHz

#763

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates the Greek

THE ARABS WILL KILL A WOMAN FOR SMILING AT ANOTHER MAN.

A quick search in the court records would verify that this specific crime is not restricted to one certain group of people, that crime can (and has) happen in any group of people, in fact it can be called many times. There are many dead bodies before the crimes are over.

Even Western women have had the vote less than 100 years and physical abuse is often the reason for divorces. Are you including those facts when pointing out how 'primitive' Arabs are? Every section of mankind would qualify as being 'primitive'. We may have laws about human rights but the enforcement comes after an infraction. Civilized would mean the incidents don't happen at all.

Last edited by MHz; Jan 16th, 2009 at 04:57 PM..

Zzarchov

#764

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon

Zzarchov:Zzarchov, where did I say that? I don't recall even thinking that..

I apologize, upon re-reading the post in question I see you are referring to if the Jewish Palestinians (Israel) are now taking out past aggressions against their culture, onto others.

I would like to address that point, but the first thing I should deal with is my apologies to you, I was wrong and in my error slandered you, I apologize.

Simply reading the comments , or listening to interviews with the "person on the street" in Israel it becomes very apparent that no on in Israel (who are not all Jews anymore than Canada is all white Christians) really wants to see anything bad happen to Palestinians.

They just want to be left alone. Thats why they gave back Sinai, thats why they left Gaza unilaterally.

Socrates the Greek

#765

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz

A quick search in the court records would verify that this specific crime is not restricted to one certain group of people, that crime can (and has) happen in any group of people, in fact it can be called many times. There are many dead bodies before the crimes are over.

Even Western women have had the vote less than 100 years and physical abuse is often the reason for divorces. Are you including those facts when pointing out how 'primitive' Arabs are? Every section of mankind would qualify as being 'primitive'. We may have laws about human rights but the enforcement comes after an infraction. Civilized would mean the incidents don't happen at all.

Right you are MHZ, and good day to you, the phrase restraining order is ordered by a court in many parts of the world especially in North America where civil rights have been affective in protecting minority groups such as women and children.

When we arrive at a country where the men are holding a strong grip over women’s rights, and a country where public executions with rock throwing at the offender, that is sooooooooooooooooooo primitive, it requires no respect for the participants (the rock throwers) that mentality is not a minority it is a majority, and that alone is an direct indictment against the Arab mentality and the way they treat their women.

Sure there is good loving Arabs that would respect their partners only if we look at a 250.000 out off 1 Million. So I don’t expect the 3/4 Arabs to except reality and move on by not bothering with the Jews. The Arabs have more land then they would ever be able to use in 10 generations 1000 years, why push the Jews to the point of self defense. Because they are an inconsiderate lot.

As for women punishment in North America you will never be able to show and axiomatic picture depicting a woman in North America treated like as if she was in the Middle East, who is a accused of adultery, they berried her alive to the neck and stone her head to death.

That is not seen in civilized countries, only in the Arab world...
Brutal, and cruel to boot.

Or what about genital mutilation thus controlling the girls sexual human feelings?

All that is nothing but bent, and this is why the Arab is the aggressor of the Middle East.

dancing-loon

#766

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov

I apologize, upon re-reading the post in question I see you are referring to if the Jewish Palestinians (Israel) are now taking out past aggressions against their culture, onto others.

I would like to address that point, but the first thing I should deal with is my apologies to you, I was wrong and in my error slandered you, I apologize.

And I accept your apology, as I feel you genuinely mean it. It is so easy to misread or misinterpret something an opponent wrote. Luckily, on a forum one can alway go back and reread. Thanks, Zzarchov.

Quote:

Simply reading the comments, or listening to interviews with the "person on the street" in Israel it becomes very apparent that no one in Israel (who are not all Jews anymore than Canada is all white Christians) really wants to see anything bad happen to Palestinians.

I believe you. They are probably just as brainwashed as the Germans were under Hitler. It is a real shock, when you come to think of it, how the crooks, the bullies, the ruthless, the greedy manage to swim to the top and fill the government posts, without the ordinary masses noticing what is really happening. And if they do notice, they shrug their shoulders and say, "that's war for you", and "it's their own fault, why don't they stop firing rockets over here?"

Nowadays people can't say, "we don't know." Of course they know - it's all over television. During the Nazi time there was no television and the German people couldn't see the horror everywhere. They certainly weren't told what they didn't need to know. I now wonder, would the German people have staged an uprising had they seen and fully known what supposedly went on in all those concentration camps? I 50% doubt it. The Germans themselves were under constant threat of being sent to a concentration camp for

a) speaking badly about Hitler
b) listening to a foreign radio station
c) refusing to enroll your child in the Hitler Youth organization.

There may be other infractions I don't know off.

Coming back to present-time Israel... why is there no uprising, revolt, or even protest marches, IF, as you say, the people don't want anything bad happening to the Palestinians.

It shows how complacent the masses are, and how easily they can be controlled.

THAT has to be changed in this world!
If we want a better world for us and our children, then we, the people, have to get engaged in government far more than is presently the custom!

Democracies are just as ruthless and brutal as dictatorships. The only slight difference is they unleash their brutalities on other nations, less on their own.

Quote:

They just want to be left alone. Thats why they gave back Sinai, thats why they left Gaza unilaterally.

Yes, they did, but they took everything else, didn't they?

Actually, I came back here with this link in my mouse! It's about those Bolsheviks. At least to me it doesn't sound like anyones propaganda. Statements are documented with legitimate sources. They couldn't make all this up, they would have been shut down, prosecuted and hanged by now.

Jews and Bolshevism - Jewish Bolsheviks -Judeo-Bolsheviks

Zzarchov

#767

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

Loon,

As a general rule: A site called "Jew Watch" isn't going to be reputable. The site was created with the intent to be biased against Jews.

Likewise, alot of the articles are not properly cited, they merely claim to be.

This is similar to a thread further down, with a post attributed to Rooney from 60 minutes, when in fact he said no such thing.

While it all appears very legitimate, the simple fact is that alot of it is blatant lies. I would recoment an encyclopedia, of wikipedia if you want to ensure there is no organizational bias.

dancing-loon

#768

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates the Greek

...As for women punishment in North America you will never be able to show and axiomatic picture depicting a woman in North America treated like as if she was in the Middle East, who is a accused of adultery, they berried her alive to the neck and stone her head to death.

That is not seen in civilized countries, only in the Arab world...
Brutal, and cruel to boot.

Or what about genital mutilation thus controlling the girls sexual human feelings?

All that is nothing but bent, and this is why the Arab is the aggressor of the Middle East.

I love your kind and feeling heart, Socrates! You are a good man and would never participate nor stand by idle in these brutalities. But look, what your "civilized" countries are capable of ....
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or this here...
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I think we should not point fingers, but rather clean up our own acts first, then we can lead by being a good example. To go there and butcher their men, women and children; destroy their land and belongings... isn't looking good on us either.

dancing-loon

#769

Re: Israel...

Jan 16th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov

Loon,

As a general rule: A site called "Jew Watch" isn't going to be reputable. The site was created with the intent to be biased against Jews.

Likewise, alot of the articles are not properly cited, they merely claim to be.

This is similar to a thread further down, with a post attributed to Rooney from 60 minutes, when in fact he said no such thing.

While it all appears very legitimate, the simple fact is that alot of it is blatant lies. I would recoment an encyclopedia, of wikipedia if you want to ensure there is no organizational bias.

I know, Zzarkov, I've heard that advice before. It is very difficult to truly believe anything one finds in print. There is a saying in German: "Papier ist geduldig." Meaning, paper is tolerant.
If this info on Jew Watch is false, couldn't they be charged for slander? The Jews are otherwise so alert and go after anybody who says something about them that, in their opinion, isn't true. How can they let this slide?

Encyclopedias and wikipedias have to conform to the official Jewish version of events. One does not find the truth there either. It's too one-sided.

What is called "Revisionist" stuff is totally denied, no matter how well documented. I find it hard to believe historians will rather go to jail than retracting their findings as lies, or made up for the fun of it.

If the Jews have to resort to this scare tactic to silence people, then, I think, they have something to hide.
What, in your opinion, is the reason for this almost world-wide law on silence?

Poland, apparently, is now also threatening to persecute people who say something unflattering about their State.

When will Germany follow suit?

Socrates the Greek

#770

Re: Israel...

Jan 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon

I love your kind and feeling heart, Socrates! You are a good man and would never participate nor stand by idle in these brutalities. But look, what your "civilized" countries are capable of ....
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or this here...
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I think we should not point fingers, but rather clean up our own acts first, then we can lead by being a good example. To go there and butcher their men, women and children; destroy their land and belongings... isn't looking good on us either.

Yes I agree the lesson starts from home, in hope to educate the rest. I agree I have been a little on the offensive towards the Arab mentality but, I can't let the majority of Arabs who hate the Jews try to convince the west that the Jew is the problem, as we all know it takes two to tango. However I hope peace can prevail in the middle East where Arabs and Jews can harmonize with one another. The likelihood of that of course is very remote. Defense is a right not a privilege, and I am sure the Jews will survive the Middle East adversity (hate from the Arab world).

einmensch

#771

Re: Israel...

Jan 17th, 2009

Zzarchov-stated--You can't prove a negative numbnuts.

Their were people of Jewish descent in the Bolshevik party, obviously, it drew people from all over russia. They were however atheist, nor did they have any cultural ties to Jewish culture, they were just there. Like Christians descent and Muslim descent members.

The most detailed description of Jewish influence in the Bolshevik 'revolution comes from Robert Wilton, the Russian correspondent of The Times. In 1920 he published a book in French, Les Derniers Jours des Romanofs, which gave the racial background of all the members of the Soviet government. (This does not appear in the later English translation, for some odd reason.) After the publication of this monumental work, Wilton was ostracised by the press, and he died in poverty in 1925. He reported that the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party was made up as follows:
NAME NATIONALITY Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew Lourie (Larine) Jew Ouritski Jew Volodarski Jew Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) Jew Smidovitch Jew Sverdlof (Yankel) Jew Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian Krylenko Russian Lounatcharski Russian
"The Council of the People's Commissars comprises the following:
MINISTRY NAME NATIONALITY President Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian Agriculture Protian Armenian Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew Food Schlichter Jew Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew State Control Lander Jew State Lands Kauffman Jew Works V. Schmidt Jew Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian Religions Spitzberg Jew Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew Hygiene Anvelt Jew Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew Press Volodarski Jew Elections Ouritski Jew Justice I. Steinberg Jew Refugees Fenigstein Jew Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew
"The following is the list of members of the Central Executive Committee:
NAME NATIONALITY Sverdlov (president) Jew Avanessof (sec.) Armenian Bruno Lett Babtchinski Jew Bukharin Russian Weinberg Jew Gailiss Jew Ganzburg Jew Danichevski Jew Starck German Sachs Jew Scheinmann Jew Erdling Jew Landauer Jew Linder Jew Wolach Czech Dimanstein Jew Encukidze Georgian Ermann Jew Joffe Jew Karkline Jew Knigissen Jew Rosenfeldt (Kamenef) Jew Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew Krylenko Russian KrassikofSachs Jew Kaprik Jew Kaoul Lett Ulyanov (lenin) Russian Latsis Jew Lander Jew Lounatcharski Russian Peterson Lett Peters Lett Roudzoutas Jew Rosine Jew Smidovitch Jew Stoutchka Lett Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew Sosnovski Jew Skrytnik Jew Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew Teodorovitch Jew Terian Armenian Ouritski Jew Telechkine Russian Feldmann Jew Froumkine Jew Souriupa Ukranian Tchavtchevadze Georgian Scheikmann Jew Rosental Jew Achkinazi Imeretian Karakhane Karaim (Jew) Rose Jew Sobelson (Radek) Jew Sclichter Jew Schikolini Jew Chklianski Jew Levine (Pravdine) Jew
"The following is the list of members of the Extraordinary Commission of Moscow:
NAME NATIONALITY Dzerjinski (president) Pole Peters (vice-president) Lett Chklovski Jew Kheifiss Jew Zeistine Jew Razmirovitch Jew Kronberg Jew Khaikina Jewess Karlson Lett Schaumann Jew Leontovitch Jew Jacob Goldine Jew Glaperstein Jew Kniggisen Jew Latzis Lett Schillenkuss Jew Janson Lett Rivkine Jew Antonof Russian Delafabre Jew Tsitkine Jew Roskirovitch Jew G. Sverdlof Jew Biesenski Jew Blioumkine Jew Alexandrevitch Russian I. Model Jew Routenberg Jew Pines Jew Sachs Jew Daybol Lett Saissoune Armenian Deylkenen Lett Liebert Jew Vogel German Zakiss Lett

Although Lenin is described as a "Russian," in fact he was a mixture of various nationalities. It is likely that he was one-quarter Russian, one-quarter German, one-quarter Jewish and at least one-quarter Kalmuck (Mongol), which accounts for his Mongol appearance. Various authorities allege that his wife, Nadezhda Krupskaya was a Jewess and that her family spoke Yiddish in the home. A report sent to the British government in 1918 by Mr. Oudendyke, the Dutch consul in St. Petersburg, said that "Bolshevism is organised and worked by Jews." The report was included in a pamphlet published as a government White Paper in April 1919 entitled Russia No. 1 (1919) A Collection of Reports on Bolshevism in Russia. However, the pamphlet was quickly withdrawn and reissued with various excisions and alterations made.

einmensch

#772

Re: Israel...

Jan 17th, 2009

Zzarchov -are you a rambler --back up your quack

Perhaps this explains why the Red Army uses a Jewish star as its symbol?

Probably the best-known exposé of the Jewish role in the Bolshevik coup d'état was by Sir Winston Churchill, writing in the Illustrated Sunday Herald of 8 February 1920. Churchill wrote "With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of leading figures are Jews. Moreover the principal inspiration and the driving power comes from Jewish leaders."

The most prominent Jewish Commissar was Trotsky, real name Bronstein. He had been married by a rabbi in 1900, and whilst in exile in New York he had worked for Novy Mir, described in the Church Times (23 January 1925) as a "Yiddish newspaper."

The Bolshevik Soviet government in Lenin's time, and later, in Stalin's - both of whom were Jewish, though they presented themselves as Marxists and atheists... - was one of the forces that, until the Second World War, cooperated with Hitler in promoting the idea of establishing the State of Israel."--

What is clear is that the other Bolsheviks who brought Lenin to power was at least 85%-90% Jewish, and Winston Churchill and Adolf Hitler were both in agreement that the USSR was the product of Jewish intrigue, power, and wealth, and that Bolshevism represented a world catastrophe engineered by International Jews who were engaged in the deconstruction of Christendom -- i.e., they wanted to destroy Western Civilization and culture.

Cliffy

Free Thinker

#773

Re: Israel...

Jan 17th, 2009

Western civilization and culture would be a good idea. I was born a catholic but i no longer have any religious affiliations. Many of, if not most of those involved in Russia may have been born of Jewish parents, but I doubt any of them were practicing Jews. A Jew belongs to a religion. He doesn't belong to a race.

einmensch

#774

Re: Israel...

Jan 17th, 2009

So if someone says negative things about a jew it is not a racial slur nor is it anti-Semitic. Is that correct Cliffy?

Colpy

Conservative

#775

Re: Israel...

Jan 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by einmensch

So if someone says negative things about a jew it is not a racial slur nor is it anti-Semitic. Is that correct Cliffy?

Obviously, if someone makes a personal; criticism of a certain person that happens to be Jewish, that is not a racial slur or anti-Semitic........unless they attribute the fault to the person's Jewishness...

If you make a criticism of Jews in general, that is probably racist.....but who cares????

If you start denying the holocaust, calling for the death of all Jews, supporting groups that attack Jews on the simple basis of their religion (see Hezbollah) then you are a racist threat.

Colpy

Conservative

#776

Re: Israel...

Jan 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

What is clear is that the other Bolsheviks who brought Lenin to power was at least 85%-90% Jewish, and Winston Churchill and Adolf Hitler were both in agreement that the USSR was the product of Jewish intrigue, power, and wealth, and that Bolshevism represented a world catastrophe engineered by International Jews who were engaged in the deconstruction of Christendom -- i.e., they wanted to destroy Western Civilization and culture.

Western civilization and culture would be a good idea. I was born a catholic but i no longer have any religious affiliations. Many of, if not most of those involved in Russia may have been born of Jewish parents, but I doubt any of them were practicing Jews. A Jew belongs to a religion. He doesn't belong to a race.

True, as shown by Ethiopian Jews.....but the majority of "European" Jews are Semites.....exactly the same racial origins as the Arabs. Which proves your point.

dancing-loon

#777

Re: Israel...

Jan 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates the Greek

Yes I agree the lesson starts from home, in hope to educate the rest. I agree I have been a little on the offensive towards the Arab mentality but, I can't let the majority of Arabs who hate the Jews try to convince the west that the Jew is the problem, as we all know it takes two to tango. However I hope peace can prevail in the middle East where Arabs and Jews can harmonize with one another. The likelihood of that of course is very remote. Defense is a right not a privilege, and I am sure the Jews will survive the Middle East adversity (hate from the Arab world).

Hi, Socrates, I suspect you could be Jewish and are therefore standing up for them. Perhaps your sense of right and wrong in the Israeli occupied region is more acute than mine, as I am not connected to either group -Jews or Arabs. From the facts I know, which are well documented, it seems to me the Jews are in the wrong by taking the land from the Palestinians, that is, more land than was originally allotted them. From that fact alone I can understand the hostilities from the beleaguered Palestinians. The Arabs are probably asking, "why us?; why do the Western countries not give them a chunk of their land?"

You say, "defense is a right, not a privilege." Do you grant that right to the Jews only?

einmensch

#778

Re: Israel...

Jan 17th, 2009

--Advanced genetic testing, including Y-DNA and mtDNA haplotyping, of modern Jewish communities around the world, has helped to determine which of the communities are likely to descend from the Israelites and which are not, as well as to establish the degrees of separation between the groups. Important studies archived here include the University College London study of 2002, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2001, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2000, Michael Hammer's study of 2000, Doron Behar's study of 2008, and others.

Key findings: The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E.
Ashkenazim also descend, in a smaller way, from European peoples such as Slavs and Khazars. The non-Israelite Y-DNA haplogroups include Q (typically Central Asian) and R1a1 (typically Eastern European).
Dutch Jews from the Netherlands also descend from northwestern Europeans.
Sephardim also descend, in a smaller way, from various non-Israelite peoples.
Georgian Jews (Gruzinim) are a mix of Georgians and Israelites.
Yemenite Jews (Temanim) are a mix of Yemenite Arabs and Israelites.
Moroccan Jews, Algerian Jews, and Tunisian Jews are mainly Israelites.
Libyan Jews are mainly Israelites who may have mixed somewhat with Berbers.
Ethiopian Jews are almost exclusively Ethiopian, with little or no Israelite ancestry.
Bene Israel Jews and Cochin Jews of India have much Indian ancestry in their mtDNA.
Palestinian Arabs are probably partly Israelite.
So Jews are mongrels just like you

Cliffy

Free Thinker

#779

Re: Israel...

Jan 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by einmensch

So if someone says negative things about a jew it is not a racial slur nor is it anti-Semitic. Is that correct Cliffy?

And what race would the Jews be? As far as I can tell, they come from many European ethnicities but very few are actually Semites. Arabs are Semites and therefore, by definition, the Israelis, very few of whom are actually Arab, should be considered anti-semites.
If I say something negative about anybody, I don't usually take race or religion into account. If someone is being a pinhead, if he happens to be a Jew at the same time, it is only a coincidence. I know a lot of WASPs who are pinheads.

Socrates the Greek

#780

Re: Israel...

Jan 17th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon

Hi, Socrates, I suspect you could be Jewish and are therefore standing up for them. Perhaps your sense of right and wrong in the Israeli occupied region is more acute than mine, as I am not connected to either group -Jews or Arabs. From the facts I know, which are well documented, it seems to me the Jews are in the wrong by taking the land from the Palestinians, that is, more land than was originally allotted them. From that fact alone I can understand the hostilities from the beleaguered Palestinians. The Arabs are probably asking, "why us?; why do the Western countries not give them a chunk of their land?"

You say, "defense is a right, not a privilege." Do you grant that right to the Jews only?

Good day Dancing-loon, No I am not a Jew, and yes defence is a right not a privilege for all victims of abuse.
It is fact that the Palestinian problem has originated from the Arabs hating the Palestinians for getting so close to the Jews by accepting work from the Jews when ISRAEL got set up as a state and some 700.000 work migrants from Palestine and many other Arab states moved close to the Jews.
The Palestinians in Gaza have been first abused by their Arab brothers first and then by the Jews.
The Christian population of Lebanon is particularly anxious to rid the country of the mainly Muslim Palestinians because of a fear that they threaten the delicate balance among the country's religious groups.
So, seeing such a dilemma facing the poor Gaza Palestinians, what is the remedy? to kill all 13 million Jews so the Arabs can give their disliked brothers the Israeli Land??
110 million Arabs, 13 million Jews, who is a threat to who? That is why defense is a right not a privilege, sure the Gaza Palestinians have the right to defense but their Arab brothers want to see them dead. Why blame the Jews.

Last edited by Socrates the Greek; Jan 17th, 2009 at 03:08 PM..

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