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April 17th, 2008, 05:57 PM
Say it ain't so! That with lint is a fine fibrous nectar. Add olive and a good flex and you have a naval destroyer....
Woof!
Quoting karrie
You realize the sweat that pools in your belly button isn't beer, right? Please tell me you know that.
Say it ain't so! That with lint is a fine fibrous nectar. Add olive and a good flex and you have a naval destroyer....Woof!
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April 17th, 2008, 07:53 PM
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I presented a counter argument and then you tangented. By all means, I'm waiting.
Check out the book series, The Third Reich, from around the mid-80's.
Quoting Scott Free
Ok by that logic then monkies can talk, they just have nothing to say, Horses lay eggs and thunder is made by angels playing bowling off in the distance.
Sometimes common sense isn't so obvious to everyone. Common sense is derived from the collective commons (which is why it is common sense) and I maintain that the commons is programmed. I don't have much common sense because I deliberately avoid the common popular opinion of things since I discovered it is almost always wrong, often contrived and mostly driven by a corporate, government, religious or other such agenda.
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I do it all the time.... just google something that explains what you seen in the past to help backup your claim. If the second opinion presents a valid argument, then thus the debate can continue on with some substance.
I have not supplied proof because to do so would require hours of quoting from sources and an exploration of history.
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Same here, you don't see me complaining.
I have arrived at my opinion through diligent research and I have no easy source to back up the claims. I just know it as a truth and so will maintain it as such.
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Yeah, there's less to explain in finding common ground when you want to spread hate and lies, but that's just how I see it.
Interestingly I have discussed this idea with many nonwhite people and they agree with me very quickly simply because there is less to explain in finding common ground for an explanation. This isn't always the case but predominantly it is.
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I guess you haven't noticed the level of the majority of my posts.
Feel free to challenge me on my claims and as time progresses I will undoubtedly provide more and more proof of my stance. It is simply impossible for me to make an entire post on this subject without it exploding into a novel sized exposition.
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If you want to call yourself crazy, knock yourself out. I believe I only called you ignorant and possibly uneducated on the matters in which you speak. Everybody is crazy, who am I to bitch? (psst... it makes for a good cover when you get in sh*t... just claim you lost your marbles and they give you a lolipop.
Possibly but I highly doubt it for a lot of reasons. The primary reason is based on my own inquiry the second reason is the means of argument people use against me. In the art of base lining people you learn how to discern original thought from programmed thought (learned or picked up somewhere) by how it is parroted. This is to say simply telling me my ideas are crazy isn't convincing. Such an argument only tells me my idea goes contrary to your own ideology and is probably frightening because of that. Repeatedly telling me they are crazy only tells me that there is an inner conflict where you know on some level a bit of what I'm saying is true which makes it even more frightening. Using catch phrases and common belief as an argument only tells me you haven't thought about the subject or researched it yourself.
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Everything I have been posting has been from my mind and my memory. If people have a problem with what I say, then I produce a source, either that or they can shut their pie holes. I explain in my own words, such as right now, such as I have been doing. The only difference is that I am asking you direct questions. What I claimed was foolish about what you claimed about this nazi stuff earlier, is that it contradicts the original concepts which were followed through quite accuatly, by those who created the concept. This current way of life is far from anything one can relate to in the concept. I just some currently rare books about the subject myself just over the weekend, specifically looking into the original concepts, based on a German perspective and neutral, not pro or negative towards any side of the story. Just to the facts and you determine for yourself, such as I.
If your really interested in what I'm saying or refuting it then you must make arguments against me in your own words. Otherwise your not being genuine. This may seem harsh, perhaps it is, but it is a truth. Unless something can be explained by means of personal experience and by way of original words then what is being said is only doublespeak - programming. Once this wasn't necessarily true but with our fast paced consumer culture it has become the norm. Most people don't have an original thought in their heads.
I presented a counter argument and then you tangented. By all means, I'm waiting.
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I know that, it was a side concept contorted for an alternative agenda. That's also why the US like to point out our "Socialism" ways with health care and education, etc.
A good place to start is with this book: German Imperialism It's Past And Present by Arkady Yerusalimsky. It will explain how Nazi socialism wasn't socialism at all. An important fact hidden by modern agendas today.
Check out the book series, The Third Reich, from around the mid-80's.
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I don't need to know which concepts were good and which are bad. I only study the core concepts and their principles, but I won't allow someone or something tell me what is good and bad. I determine that for myself.
Another good book is: May Man Prevail by Erich Fromm. It will explain the mechanisms by which society can accept a duality of experience like: Hitler is bad but his economic policies were good, so they must not be his.
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April 17th, 2008, 08:28 PM
Isn't it strange how every unpopular opinion these days is spreading hate and lies?
Gee, I called that didn't I?
I have read it. Good book but has a decidedly narrow western slant.
Quoting Praxius
Now your really reaching
Yeah, there's less to explain in finding common ground when you want to spread hate and lies, but that's just how I see it.
Isn't it strange how every unpopular opinion these days is spreading hate and lies?
Quoting Praxius
I have hence my response.
I guess you haven't noticed the level of the majority of my posts.
Quoting Praxius
ad hominem now huh? Really Praxius? Is that all you've got?
If you want to call yourself crazy, knock yourself out. I believe I only called you ignorant and possibly uneducated on the matters in which you speak. Everybody is crazy, who am I to bitch? (psst... it makes for a good cover when you get in sh*t... just claim you lost your marbles and they give you a lolipop. )
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Quoting Praxius
So you have no original ideas? You need a source every time
Everything I have been posting has been from my mind and my memory. If people have a problem with what I say, then I produce a source, either that or they can shut their pie holes.
Gee, I called that didn't I?
Quoting Praxius
How so when you need a source for everything you say? It sounds to me like you reword (parrot) what you have already heard.
I explain in my own words, such as right now, such as I have been doing.
Quoting Praxius
Really? I missed them then... all I read were ad hominem and ad populum attacks.
The only difference is that I am asking you direct questions.
Quoting Praxius
Sounds like interesting reading.
What I claimed was foolish about what you claimed about this nazi stuff earlier, is that it contradicts the original concepts which were followed through quite accuatly, by those who created the concept. This current way of life is far from anything one can relate to in the concept. I just some currently rare books about the subject myself just over the weekend, specifically looking into the original concepts, based on a German perspective and neutral, not pro or negative towards any side of the story. Just to the facts and you determine for yourself, such as I.
Quoting Praxius
What was that then? That you don't think so?
I presented a counter argument and then you tangented. By all means, I'm waiting.
Quoting Praxius
Socialism that places the means of production into the hands of the elite and seeks to maintain social order by providing a mother government (in the case of Canada, father in the case of Germany): neosocialism a.k.a. neoliberalism.
I know that, it was a side concept contorted for an alternative agenda. That's also why the US like to point out our "Socialism" ways with health care and education, etc.
Check out the book series, The Third Reich, from around the mid-80's.
Check out the book series, The Third Reich, from around the mid-80's.
I have read it. Good book but has a decidedly narrow western slant.
Quoting Praxius
You think you do which is my point. You can't place unauthentic experiences into people if they don't think the ideas are their own - that would be pointless.
I don't need to know which concepts were good and which are bad. I only study the core concepts and their principles, but I won't allow someone or something tell me what is good and bad. I determine that for myself.
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April 17th, 2008, 09:22 PM
I realized after reading several advertising books, psychology books and some geopolitical books that I was over run with double think and unauthentic experience. It has been my observation that we all are. I am trying desperately not to be like that. To that end I haven't had television in my house for two years now and I can very much feel the difference.
So this topic is fairly important to me. I think Praxius is a bright guy and might eventually get my meaning. Maybe come to realize it himself. It's not an easy thing to see in yourself. Maybe he'll blow me out of the water and prove I'm full of crap - either way I appreciate the exchange.
Quoting Kreskin
This is my idea of being merry and I'm enjoying this thread. One of us has to be right and I'm interested in knowing who that is.
Hey guys, no one wins this pissing contests. Eat drink and be merry, lets party!
I realized after reading several advertising books, psychology books and some geopolitical books that I was over run with double think and unauthentic experience. It has been my observation that we all are. I am trying desperately not to be like that. To that end I haven't had television in my house for two years now and I can very much feel the difference.
So this topic is fairly important to me. I think Praxius is a bright guy and might eventually get my meaning. Maybe come to realize it himself. It's not an easy thing to see in yourself. Maybe he'll blow me out of the water and prove I'm full of crap - either way I appreciate the exchange.
April 17th, 2008, 09:30 PM
It's an awful pain to try to backtrack and figure out where that wonderful discussion regarding ____ went, because you can't recall the subject you highjacked in order to have said discussion.
Quoting Scott Free
So this topic is fairly important to me. I think Praxius is a bright guy and might eventually get my meaning. Maybe come to realize it himself. It's not an easy thing to see in yourself. Maybe he'll blow me out of the water and prove I'm full of crap - either way I appreciate the exchange.
This topic is 'How Canada puts Britain to shame over treatment of fallen soldiers'. I suggest if this topic is so important to you, you discuss it, not what you've been discussing with Prax. If what you HAVE been discussing with Prax is of utter importance, then I suggest it warrants its own thread. Feel free to let me know if you want some posts broken out of here for such an exercise. So this topic is fairly important to me. I think Praxius is a bright guy and might eventually get my meaning. Maybe come to realize it himself. It's not an easy thing to see in yourself. Maybe he'll blow me out of the water and prove I'm full of crap - either way I appreciate the exchange.
It's an awful pain to try to backtrack and figure out where that wonderful discussion regarding ____ went, because you can't recall the subject you highjacked in order to have said discussion.
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April 17th, 2008, 09:47 PM
All the trouble started when I said I didn't respect our troops. The accusations and condemnations began to fly at me immediately after that. I think the confusion your expressing is that non of the posts have been about my not respecting the troops. That is easily explained in that no one has an answer to that except a gut level unintelligible, unauthentic reaction, which has been the source of all the arguments against me so far. Everyone knows I'm wrong because they "feel" I'm wrong, but because they didn't arrive at their own sense of patriotism themselves, they can't express why I am wrong except in well rehearsed verse they have learned somewhere. This means that rather than arguing against the real issue they have with me they have to make up issues that have nothing to do with what they are really upset about; this is why the thread seems to be weaving all over the place but in reality is right on topic. No one can explain why I should be proud of Canadians killing women and children, occupying and imposing themselves on a foreign land because in reality there is no good reason why I should. It just upsets them that I don't and they feel I'm wrong and need to be put in my place. It is a standard doublethink unauthentic reaction to a bit of reality.
Quoting karrie
I do think this thread is still on topic. At least I feel I am still on topic. This topic is 'How Canada puts Britain to shame over treatment of fallen soldiers'. I suggest if this topic is so important to you, you discuss it, not what you've been discussing with Prax. If what you HAVE been discussing with Prax is of utter importance, then I suggest it warrants its own thread. Feel free to let me know if you want some posts broken out of here for such an exercise.
It's an awful pain to try to backtrack and figure out where that wonderful discussion regarding ____ went, because you can't recall the subject you highjacked in order to have said discussion.
It's an awful pain to try to backtrack and figure out where that wonderful discussion regarding ____ went, because you can't recall the subject you highjacked in order to have said discussion.
All the trouble started when I said I didn't respect our troops. The accusations and condemnations began to fly at me immediately after that. I think the confusion your expressing is that non of the posts have been about my not respecting the troops. That is easily explained in that no one has an answer to that except a gut level unintelligible, unauthentic reaction, which has been the source of all the arguments against me so far. Everyone knows I'm wrong because they "feel" I'm wrong, but because they didn't arrive at their own sense of patriotism themselves, they can't express why I am wrong except in well rehearsed verse they have learned somewhere. This means that rather than arguing against the real issue they have with me they have to make up issues that have nothing to do with what they are really upset about; this is why the thread seems to be weaving all over the place but in reality is right on topic. No one can explain why I should be proud of Canadians killing women and children, occupying and imposing themselves on a foreign land because in reality there is no good reason why I should. It just upsets them that I don't and they feel I'm wrong and need to be put in my place. It is a standard doublethink unauthentic reaction to a bit of reality.
Grossly Underrated
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Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
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April 17th, 2008, 10:33 PM
Have you ever considered for a moment that a person does NOT have to, at any level, WANT to kill? In fact, the best hope and pray they are never called upon to take lives. Those who WANT to kill are generally weeded out in the initial screening process. There is a hell of a big difference between a person who will kill if he/she has to and one who will kill because he/she wants to. If you happened upon someone beating a kid, would you ignore it and walk by? If someone walked into your home and demanded your valuables and a cheese sandwich, would you be a gracious host?
Woof!
Quoting Scott Free
THIS is what you said before the crap started.
Soldiers sign up to be soldiers.
Want to serve your country? Volunteer at the hospital, pick up trash at the park, etc
Want to kill people? Become a soldier.
I don't care what justification people use to be soldiers the bottom line is that to voluntarily become a soldier you must, at some level, want to kill people or, at the very least, be OK with killing people someone else tells you to kill; that is to say, you are comfortable enough with the idea of killing that you will leave the decision of who to kill up to other people.
I have no respect for people like that.
Want to serve your country? Volunteer at the hospital, pick up trash at the park, etc
Want to kill people? Become a soldier.
I don't care what justification people use to be soldiers the bottom line is that to voluntarily become a soldier you must, at some level, want to kill people or, at the very least, be OK with killing people someone else tells you to kill; that is to say, you are comfortable enough with the idea of killing that you will leave the decision of who to kill up to other people.
I have no respect for people like that.
Have you ever considered for a moment that a person does NOT have to, at any level, WANT to kill? In fact, the best hope and pray they are never called upon to take lives. Those who WANT to kill are generally weeded out in the initial screening process. There is a hell of a big difference between a person who will kill if he/she has to and one who will kill because he/she wants to. If you happened upon someone beating a kid, would you ignore it and walk by? If someone walked into your home and demanded your valuables and a cheese sandwich, would you be a gracious host?
Woof!
