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March 8th, 2008, 11:35 AM
Quoting Just the Facts
Whats baffling is how people accuse you of something because you dare criticize one side or the other. I am not anti-Israel nor am I anti-Palestinian, fault lies on both sides. Not sure why the Jews and the ones who blindly support them are always running around trying to find hatred.
That's the most baffling argument of all the anti-Isreal tripe we hear here on a regular basis. Let's take a look at Logic7's map. Take a peek at the area known as Israel. Over 1 million Arabs, living free and prospering, working, voting, raising families. Now lets take a look at Jordan, the forgotten slice of Palestine (sloppy sloppy Logic, you forgot to crop out Jordan 
). NO JEWS ALLOWED!
Apartheid. Yeah.
). NO JEWS ALLOWED!Apartheid. Yeah.
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March 8th, 2008, 11:43 AM
It's funny you should mention blind support, because I look for a reason to be sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. I really do. I'm just not seeing it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about the average person caught in the middle, who wants nothing more than a chance to live in peace. My heart goes out to them. I know that the average Palestinian is a warm and hospitable human being.
Unfortunately, evil idealogoies make good people do evil things. The average Palestinian has no options. I understand that and hope for the best for them. They're among the ones that the peace process is for. Let's hope they can win over the Hamas et al terrorists that rule them.
Quoting Avro
Fair enough, but for the record, I didn't accuse you of being anti anything. I accused your tripe of being anti-Israel.
Whats baffling is how people accuse you of something because you dare criticize one side or the other. I am not anti-Israel nor am I anti-Palestinian, fault lies on both sides. Not sure why the Jews and the ones who blindly support them are always running around trying to find hatred.
It's funny you should mention blind support, because I look for a reason to be sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. I really do. I'm just not seeing it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about the average person caught in the middle, who wants nothing more than a chance to live in peace. My heart goes out to them. I know that the average Palestinian is a warm and hospitable human being.
Unfortunately, evil idealogoies make good people do evil things. The average Palestinian has no options. I understand that and hope for the best for them. They're among the ones that the peace process is for. Let's hope they can win over the Hamas et al terrorists that rule them.
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March 8th, 2008, 11:44 AM
Same thing.
Quoting Just the Facts
Fair enough, but for the record, I didn't accuse you of being anti anything. I accused your tripe of being anti-Israel.
Same thing.
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March 8th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Quoting Colpy
Oh wow, amazing.
Here you go......
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...sm/jewpop.html
Actually, if you do the math (add the population listed for the countries with the most Jews, then add the percentage of world population they represent) you come up with a figure of 12, 753, 500 Jews making up 97.5% of the world population..........extrapolate that to 100% and you get 13,072, 338 in the world as of 2006.
Sorry, I was wrong. There are only 13 million Jews in the world, less than 8 million outside of Israel.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...sm/jewpop.html
Actually, if you do the math (add the population listed for the countries with the most Jews, then add the percentage of world population they represent) you come up with a figure of 12, 753, 500 Jews making up 97.5% of the world population..........extrapolate that to 100% and you get 13,072, 338 in the world as of 2006.
Sorry, I was wrong. There are only 13 million Jews in the world, less than 8 million outside of Israel.
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March 9th, 2008, 08:05 AM
Thanks, Colby
for telling us that you have little patience-a very important fact--better get your blood pressure under control.
scientific research into the Holocaust is punishable by prison under German law, should it result in findings unfavourable to or objectionable by the Jewish lobby -The the searching for truth punishable by law.
As a gentile European I may not ask these questions without penalty, but Rabbi Moishe Arye Friedman, chief Rabbi of the Orthodox anti-Zionist Jewish Community in Vienna, Austria, did not prostrate before the God of Zion and did not hesitate to attend the Tehran conference decried by the Muslim American Society as immoral and motivated by racial hatred. In his address to the conference he stated that the founder of the Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already spoke in his first diaries of a number of six million Jews who were allegedly threatened in Europe and that, according to Herzl, the so-called Jewish state would only have a chance if there was a disaster for these six million European Jews, as well as that the Bolshevists and the British government already used the six million figure in their war propaganda against Germany during the first world war. He further talked about the collaboration between the Nazis and the Zionists, and added that he was sure that the last word about the real or actual number of the victims had not yet been spoken, mentioning that in 1990 the number originally specified of four million victims of Auschwitz had been reduced to approximately 900,000 to 1.1 million whilst the six million figure remained unchallenged. Now to be consistent, Austrian prosecutors would have to charge the Vienna Chief Rabbi with Holocaust denial, but such a trial would further dent the credibility of the laws protecting the official version of events as well as that of the Shoah story itself, repeatedly embellished by Hollywood productions. It is, therefore, highly unlikely, that the Rabbi will be dragged before a court to answer on charges of anti-Semitism.The topic will not go away and awkward questions are going to be asked. The suffering of the Jews may not be questioned since "if it were to be proven that "The Holocaust" has, in fact, been stage-managed for political reasons in order to promote Israeli interests, ...Guiseppe Furioso, for example, asks why there is no documentary evidence of the gassings nor any mention of it in Churchill's memoirs or by any other political figures of the time. Zionist pro-Israeli mainstream media implicitly admits that any such investigation poses a grave danger to Zionism.
Thanks, Colby
for telling us that you have little patience-a very important fact--better get your blood pressure under control.
scientific research into the Holocaust is punishable by prison under German law, should it result in findings unfavourable to or objectionable by the Jewish lobby -The the searching for truth punishable by law.
As a gentile European I may not ask these questions without penalty, but Rabbi Moishe Arye Friedman, chief Rabbi of the Orthodox anti-Zionist Jewish Community in Vienna, Austria, did not prostrate before the God of Zion and did not hesitate to attend the Tehran conference decried by the Muslim American Society as immoral and motivated by racial hatred. In his address to the conference he stated that the founder of the Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already spoke in his first diaries of a number of six million Jews who were allegedly threatened in Europe and that, according to Herzl, the so-called Jewish state would only have a chance if there was a disaster for these six million European Jews, as well as that the Bolshevists and the British government already used the six million figure in their war propaganda against Germany during the first world war. He further talked about the collaboration between the Nazis and the Zionists, and added that he was sure that the last word about the real or actual number of the victims had not yet been spoken, mentioning that in 1990 the number originally specified of four million victims of Auschwitz had been reduced to approximately 900,000 to 1.1 million whilst the six million figure remained unchallenged. Now to be consistent, Austrian prosecutors would have to charge the Vienna Chief Rabbi with Holocaust denial, but such a trial would further dent the credibility of the laws protecting the official version of events as well as that of the Shoah story itself, repeatedly embellished by Hollywood productions. It is, therefore, highly unlikely, that the Rabbi will be dragged before a court to answer on charges of anti-Semitism.The topic will not go away and awkward questions are going to be asked. The suffering of the Jews may not be questioned since "if it were to be proven that "The Holocaust" has, in fact, been stage-managed for political reasons in order to promote Israeli interests, ...Guiseppe Furioso, for example, asks why there is no documentary evidence of the gassings nor any mention of it in Churchill's memoirs or by any other political figures of the time. Zionist pro-Israeli mainstream media implicitly admits that any such investigation poses a grave danger to Zionism.
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March 9th, 2008, 09:06 AM
"There is no alternative but to say that the success of the Jews is not coincidental but rather the result of long years of planning and a great investment of effort in order to obtain their wretched control over the world's media….When Nazi persecutions of the Jews began, the winds began blowing in their favor. What Hitler did to the Jews actually exposed the Jewish plot. World public opinion, manipulated by the Jews, took advantages of these [persecutions], disseminating stories about a collective massacre. They concocted horrible stories of gas chambers which Hitler, they claimed used to burn them alive. The press overflowed with pictures of Jews being gunned down by Hitler's machine guns or being pushed into gas chambers. The [press] focused on [suffering] women, children and elderly people in order to rouse empathy and claim reparations, donations, and grants from around the world.
"The truth is that such persecution was a malicious fabrication by the Jews. It is a myth which they named 'The Holocaust' in order to rouse empathy. Credible historians challenge this Jewish [myth], calling for [more] persuasive evidence to be presented. The Los Angeles Historical Society declared that it would grant US$50,000 to anyone who could prove Jews had been gassed to death. Jews exerted intense pressure and cast accusations of anti-Semitism everywhere in order to silence this challenge. Even if Hitler's onslaught facilitated the persecution of Jews to some degree, Jews certainly benefited from its aftermath…"
"There is no alternative but to say that the success of the Jews is not coincidental but rather the result of long years of planning and a great investment of effort in order to obtain their wretched control over the world's media….When Nazi persecutions of the Jews began, the winds began blowing in their favor. What Hitler did to the Jews actually exposed the Jewish plot. World public opinion, manipulated by the Jews, took advantages of these [persecutions], disseminating stories about a collective massacre. They concocted horrible stories of gas chambers which Hitler, they claimed used to burn them alive. The press overflowed with pictures of Jews being gunned down by Hitler's machine guns or being pushed into gas chambers. The [press] focused on [suffering] women, children and elderly people in order to rouse empathy and claim reparations, donations, and grants from around the world.
"The truth is that such persecution was a malicious fabrication by the Jews. It is a myth which they named 'The Holocaust' in order to rouse empathy. Credible historians challenge this Jewish [myth], calling for [more] persuasive evidence to be presented. The Los Angeles Historical Society declared that it would grant US$50,000 to anyone who could prove Jews had been gassed to death. Jews exerted intense pressure and cast accusations of anti-Semitism everywhere in order to silence this challenge. Even if Hitler's onslaught facilitated the persecution of Jews to some degree, Jews certainly benefited from its aftermath…"
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March 9th, 2008, 09:14 AM
Seems to be a disproportionate number of people from Pakistan, Somalia, many Arab states that would on one hand suggest that Islam is a religion of moderation and cooperation while a significant number use bullets and bombs to convince all us Infidels of the kindness and worldliness of the Islamic faith....
I wouldn't invest anything in terms of much belief in the stability or "superiority" of either an Arab or a Jew. Like Hispanics/Latinos who're tied up in knots over their "machismo" and constantly paying homage to the notion of male superiority when it comes to women.....
There just aren't very many likeable "isms" floating around this little orb....
Seems to be a disproportionate number of people from Pakistan, Somalia, many Arab states that would on one hand suggest that Islam is a religion of moderation and cooperation while a significant number use bullets and bombs to convince all us Infidels of the kindness and worldliness of the Islamic faith....
I wouldn't invest anything in terms of much belief in the stability or "superiority" of either an Arab or a Jew. Like Hispanics/Latinos who're tied up in knots over their "machismo" and constantly paying homage to the notion of male superiority when it comes to women.....
There just aren't very many likeable "isms" floating around this little orb....
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March 9th, 2008, 09:44 AM
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm
just for knows too much, he thinks-there is the truth!
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm
just for knows too much, he thinks-there is the truth!
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March 9th, 2008, 10:54 AM
Ever been to the moon......
What makes you think you can understand or appreciate anything unless you go there and check it out yourself!!?
Chernobyll, Three Mile Island, Rwanda, the world is full of myths and legends and the only way anyone can appreciate the gravity /truth/reality of any of them is to go there and touch them and feel them for yourself!
Don't believe anything you read, it's all a grand conspiracy to direct your thinking....
Much like math and physics
Ever been to the moon......
What makes you think you can understand or appreciate anything unless you go there and check it out yourself!!?
Chernobyll, Three Mile Island, Rwanda, the world is full of myths and legends and the only way anyone can appreciate the gravity /truth/reality of any of them is to go there and touch them and feel them for yourself!
Don't believe anything you read, it's all a grand conspiracy to direct your thinking....
Much like math and physics
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March 9th, 2008, 10:59 AM
I agree that German laws against Holocaust denial and the display of Nazi symbols are ridiculous.
Any idiot can go on the net and find some looney that swears he has evidence that the WTC was dropped by controled demolition, JFK was murdered by LBJ, AIDS is the punishment of God, aliens are our true ancestors, the world is controled by a secret Jewish group, and the Holocaust didn't happen.
I guess all those folks walking around with numbers tattooed on their arms are part of the conspiracy.
I guess the fact that most of the Jewish population in Nazi-occupied Europe disappeared between 1933 and 1945 is part of the conspiracy.......they all went on vacation to Bermuda.
I guess the thousands upon thousands of documents detailing the murder of Jews, Gypsies, the mentally challenged, Slavs, political prisoners.....I guess they are all fabricated, and that every serious historian that has studied them is part of the conspiracy.
When you wish to revise history, you need to use sources that are legitimate, that have actually achieved some level of scholarship, that do NOT belong on some psychiatrists' couch........you know, somebody that has actually studied history, studied documents, and written things like Masters and PhD theses..............not the idiot ravings of anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists that only wish the Holocaust had been MORE successful.........and that only hope the Arabs can finish the job for them.
Pull your ****ing head out of your ass. It works better that way.
I have no time for racists........especially those who would cover up the crimes of their jack-booted bretern.
Quoting einmensch
Okay..... http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm
just for knows too much, he thinks-there is the truth!
just for knows too much, he thinks-there is the truth!
I agree that German laws against Holocaust denial and the display of Nazi symbols are ridiculous.
Any idiot can go on the net and find some looney that swears he has evidence that the WTC was dropped by controled demolition, JFK was murdered by LBJ, AIDS is the punishment of God, aliens are our true ancestors, the world is controled by a secret Jewish group, and the Holocaust didn't happen.
I guess all those folks walking around with numbers tattooed on their arms are part of the conspiracy.
I guess the fact that most of the Jewish population in Nazi-occupied Europe disappeared between 1933 and 1945 is part of the conspiracy.......they all went on vacation to Bermuda.
I guess the thousands upon thousands of documents detailing the murder of Jews, Gypsies, the mentally challenged, Slavs, political prisoners.....I guess they are all fabricated, and that every serious historian that has studied them is part of the conspiracy.
When you wish to revise history, you need to use sources that are legitimate, that have actually achieved some level of scholarship, that do NOT belong on some psychiatrists' couch........you know, somebody that has actually studied history, studied documents, and written things like Masters and PhD theses..............not the idiot ravings of anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists that only wish the Holocaust had been MORE successful.........and that only hope the Arabs can finish the job for them.
Pull your ****ing head out of your ass. It works better that way.
I have no time for racists........especially those who would cover up the crimes of their jack-booted bretern.
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March 9th, 2008, 11:07 AM
What mechanism of evaluation permits you to determine what is "truth" and what isn't?
You know as well as I that our social systems are slaves to ideologies and particular agendas, that we are lied to all the time by everyone from governments and "clergy" to universities and advertising executives....
How do you know your version of the "truth" is the falsifiable absolute?
What mechanism of evaluation permits you to determine what is "truth" and what isn't?
You know as well as I that our social systems are slaves to ideologies and particular agendas, that we are lied to all the time by everyone from governments and "clergy" to universities and advertising executives....
How do you know your version of the "truth" is the falsifiable absolute?
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March 9th, 2008, 11:12 AM
Woof!
Quoting Colpy
....I have no time for racists........especially those who would cover up the crimes of their jack-booted bretern.
How do you feel about they who didn't survive to speak of the sins of their own brethren?....I have no time for racists........especially those who would cover up the crimes of their jack-booted bretern.
Woof!
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March 9th, 2008, 11:12 AM
I actually bothered to get an education and a degree in history.........I actually read books but intelligent, sane, very capable and extremely ethical men that document the holocaust very well.
There is no conspiracy.
It happened, it is easily proven, the only people who doubt it are those that regret it was not MORE efficient............those that wish to discredit anything achieved by the Jew, including Israel, those that HATE!
And they make me VERY angry
Quoting MikeyDB
Simple.
What mechanism of evaluation permits you to determine what is "truth" and what isn't?
You know as well as I that our social systems are slaves to ideologies and particular agendas, that we are lied to all the time by everyone from governments and "clergy" to universities and advertising executives....
How do you know your version of the "truth" is the falsifiable absolute?
You know as well as I that our social systems are slaves to ideologies and particular agendas, that we are lied to all the time by everyone from governments and "clergy" to universities and advertising executives....
How do you know your version of the "truth" is the falsifiable absolute?
I actually bothered to get an education and a degree in history.........I actually read books but intelligent, sane, very capable and extremely ethical men that document the holocaust very well.
There is no conspiracy.
It happened, it is easily proven, the only people who doubt it are those that regret it was not MORE efficient............those that wish to discredit anything achieved by the Jew, including Israel, those that HATE!
And they make me VERY angry
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March 9th, 2008, 11:23 AM
Colpy
You see that's one of the differences between our particular points of view...
I managed an education as well...believe it or not...and I've got a reasonable grasp of the tests one ought to apply to "facts" and "information" coming from all sorts of different places....
The difference between your views and mine is that you think this is holocaust thing is something special and certainly specially important and ought to be to everyone...
I don't.
I believe that humankind has slaughtered defiled and spoiled everything imaginable through his desperate embrace of beliefs and ideologies. That the events of Dachau and Aushwitsz demonstrate once again that a belief in the innate evil of one segment of society can stand as rationale for wholesale slaughter simply revisits the atrocities of prejudices and hatred that have underwittten the human journey since the beginning.
North American Indians, Central and South American tribes, African nations used variously as "resources" with slavery murder and terrorism accepted by good white folk the world over for years and years is at least as reprehensible as any "holocuast" and yet you and many more are conditioned to believe that his particular episode is somehow of greater import than all the others....
Curious....
Colpy
You see that's one of the differences between our particular points of view...
I managed an education as well...believe it or not...and I've got a reasonable grasp of the tests one ought to apply to "facts" and "information" coming from all sorts of different places....
The difference between your views and mine is that you think this is holocaust thing is something special and certainly specially important and ought to be to everyone...
I don't.
I believe that humankind has slaughtered defiled and spoiled everything imaginable through his desperate embrace of beliefs and ideologies. That the events of Dachau and Aushwitsz demonstrate once again that a belief in the innate evil of one segment of society can stand as rationale for wholesale slaughter simply revisits the atrocities of prejudices and hatred that have underwittten the human journey since the beginning.
North American Indians, Central and South American tribes, African nations used variously as "resources" with slavery murder and terrorism accepted by good white folk the world over for years and years is at least as reprehensible as any "holocuast" and yet you and many more are conditioned to believe that his particular episode is somehow of greater import than all the others....
Curious....
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March 9th, 2008, 12:07 PM
When Cambodians murder a couple of million, it is not racially motivated, and we say "Those Asians sure can kill each other" Likewise Rwanda....."Those Black folk......still fighting tribal wars" The Holocaust was conceived and set in motion in a nation with a well-educated population, "civilized", white and (until 1933) democratic..........in other words, the monsters were birthed in a nest VERY much like our own......The Germans of the 30s and 40s are US!
The Holocaust was the first "industrialized" genocide.........thus they managed to murder 6 million Jews and 4 million others in only a very few years.........a HUGE undertaking.
The Jews were always hated in Europe, and still are............the Holocaust is a precautionary tale.
Israel was born out of the Holocaust...........one way or the other, that makes the Holocaust important.
Quoting MikeyDB
The Holocaust is of some increased relevance for the following reasons:
Colpy
You see that's one of the differences between our particular points of view...
I managed an education as well...believe it or not...and I've got a reasonable grasp of the tests one ought to apply to "facts" and "information" coming from all sorts of different places....
The difference between your views and mine is that you think this is holocaust thing is something special and certainly specially important and ought to be to everyone...
I don't.
I believe that humankind has slaughtered defiled and spoiled everything imaginable through his desperate embrace of beliefs and ideologies. That the events of Dachau and Aushwitsz demonstrate once again that a belief in the innate evil of one segment of society can stand as rationale for wholesale slaughter simply revisits the atrocities of prejudices and hatred that have underwittten the human journey since the beginning.
North American Indians, Central and South American tribes, African nations used variously as "resources" with slavery murder and terrorism accepted by good white folk the world over for years and years is at least as reprehensible as any "holocuast" and yet you and many more are conditioned to believe that his particular episode is somehow of greater import than all the others....
Curious....
You see that's one of the differences between our particular points of view...
I managed an education as well...believe it or not...and I've got a reasonable grasp of the tests one ought to apply to "facts" and "information" coming from all sorts of different places....
The difference between your views and mine is that you think this is holocaust thing is something special and certainly specially important and ought to be to everyone...
I don't.
I believe that humankind has slaughtered defiled and spoiled everything imaginable through his desperate embrace of beliefs and ideologies. That the events of Dachau and Aushwitsz demonstrate once again that a belief in the innate evil of one segment of society can stand as rationale for wholesale slaughter simply revisits the atrocities of prejudices and hatred that have underwittten the human journey since the beginning.
North American Indians, Central and South American tribes, African nations used variously as "resources" with slavery murder and terrorism accepted by good white folk the world over for years and years is at least as reprehensible as any "holocuast" and yet you and many more are conditioned to believe that his particular episode is somehow of greater import than all the others....
Curious....
When Cambodians murder a couple of million, it is not racially motivated, and we say "Those Asians sure can kill each other" Likewise Rwanda....."Those Black folk......still fighting tribal wars" The Holocaust was conceived and set in motion in a nation with a well-educated population, "civilized", white and (until 1933) democratic..........in other words, the monsters were birthed in a nest VERY much like our own......The Germans of the 30s and 40s are US!
The Holocaust was the first "industrialized" genocide.........thus they managed to murder 6 million Jews and 4 million others in only a very few years.........a HUGE undertaking.
The Jews were always hated in Europe, and still are............the Holocaust is a precautionary tale.
Israel was born out of the Holocaust...........one way or the other, that makes the Holocaust important.
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March 9th, 2008, 12:20 PM
So If I were to go sit down with Armstrong and tell him "The moon isn't real, its just an optical illusion, I know so because I read it".
He would be perfectly within his rights to tell me to go see it for myself and not bother having a further discussion on it.
Quoting MikeyDB
No, I haven't been to the moon, but others have.
Ever been to the moon......
What makes you think you can understand or appreciate anything unless you go there and check it out yourself!!?
Chernobyll, Three Mile Island, Rwanda, the world is full of myths and legends and the only way anyone can appreciate the gravity /truth/reality of any of them is to go there and touch them and feel them for yourself!
Don't believe anything you read, it's all a grand conspiracy to direct your thinking....
Much like math and physics
What makes you think you can understand or appreciate anything unless you go there and check it out yourself!!?
Chernobyll, Three Mile Island, Rwanda, the world is full of myths and legends and the only way anyone can appreciate the gravity /truth/reality of any of them is to go there and touch them and feel them for yourself!
Don't believe anything you read, it's all a grand conspiracy to direct your thinking....
Much like math and physics
So If I were to go sit down with Armstrong and tell him "The moon isn't real, its just an optical illusion, I know so because I read it".
He would be perfectly within his rights to tell me to go see it for myself and not bother having a further discussion on it.
