Palestine independence

March 6th, 2008, 10:45 PM

You might want to check that. Israel SUPPLIES Gaza with water, electricity, etc. They would love not to have to. Where's Egypt, perhaps they would like to take over?

Funny, they don't seem to have any trouble IMPORTING missiles from Iran and EXPORTING them to Sderot and Ashkelon.

Israel left Gaza, what does their recognition matter. If Hamas would get on with the business of being an elected government rather than a murderous terrorist organization, there woold be no need for us to be having this conversation.

Here's your elected government's response to mass murder of innocents:

THE Palestinian Hamas movement hailed a deadly attack on a Jewish religious school in Jerusalem tonight as "heroic," without claiming responsibility for the strike that killed eight people.

And here's how the people who elected them responded:

Hundreds of Palestinians poured into the streets of Gaza City as news of the attack at a west Jerusalem yeshiva spread, firing automatic rifles into the air in celebration.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-23109,00.html

Do you see Israeli's pouring into the streets celebrating the deaths of Gazans? Do you? I didn't think so.

Is that a fact? Every "freedom fighter" is an ordinary citizen once he's killed. That's a fact. Here's another fact for you:

"Hamas's brazen use of human shields is directly facilitated by the international community's reluctance to address the issue and denounce the premeditated endangerment of ordinary people" - THAT MEANS YOU- . "According to all rules of warfare, including the Geneva Convention, this is nothing short of a war crime. When the crimes of Gaza's terrorists against their own people are consistently overlooked around the world," - THAT MEANS YOU- "it can only encourage the Islamists' immorality. "

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

I'll have to study this more, you may have some credence to what you say there WOOT WOOT, they get away with a lot, but a quick perusal shows that there are convictions of settlers - still a stark contrast to the Arab celebrations of dead Jews, eh what? By their elected government, no less.

There you go.

March 7th, 2008, 08:46 AM

REPLIES to Just the Facts

March 7th, 2008, 09:34 PM

Just the Facts http://www.infowars.com/articles/ww3...gaza_water.htm
OCT, 2007 Israel does not permit fuel to enter Gaza via the sea, the airspace, or the border with Egypt. This is not a Ghetto?
* Essential services, including purifying and pumping drinking water, treating sewage, operating garbage collection trucks and ambulances, and operating the generators that power hospitals and other public buildings depend on fuel and the electricity generated by fuel.----Israel controls the borders of Gaza - land, air, and sea - and does not permit supplies to enter Gaza through any border but its own border with Gaza. Restricting the supply of humanitarian relief violates the Fourth Geneva Convention and the Additional Protocol to the Fourth Geneva
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2007/1...-cuts-to-gaza/
Shove the human shield +++baloney-MANY children as well as others have been killed when targetted killings missed the target or killed people on the street, Your own group documented IDF sniping and killing ten ,11 years old boys playing soccer and many more cases--but you know all that, the 13 year old schoolgirl --an IDF officer emtied his gun into her.--He was not demoted and walked --Israelis used human shields --put them on the hood of vehicles--forced Palestinians to enter first at gun point
YES, Israel has caused them to hate Israelis to the point where they have adopted Israel's hero, Ben Gurion's words"we must not differentiate between the innocent and the guilty, we must just kill them all".
Just the Facts go search Israeli Crimes, Israel Settlers Kill, Israeli Settlers steal, with IDF support -
Are these yeshiva students from the same yeshiva as those that spat at the Greek Orthodox Cardinal?

March 7th, 2008, 09:38 PM

Just the Facts are you still here!
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/0...ith-auschwitz/
A talk given on the First of March 2008 at Invitation to Learn’s weekend retreat) At the left, “Innocent” by Ben Heine
“They (the Palestinians) will bring upon themselves a bigger holocaust because we will use all our might to defend ourselves” (Matan Vilnai, Israeli Deputy Defence Minister, 29 February 200
It is clear beyond any doubt that the Israeli Deputy Defence Minister was far from being reluctant to equate Israel with Nazi Germany when revealing the genocidal future awaiting the Palestinian people, yet, for some reason, this is precisely what Western media outlets refrain from doing. In spite of the facts that are right in front of our eyes, in spite of the starvation in Gaza, in spite of an Israeli official admitting genocidal inclinations against the Palestinians, in spite of the mounting carnage and death, we are still afraid to admit that Gaza is a concentration camp and it is on the verge of becoming a deadly one. For some peculiar reason, many of us have yet to accept that as far as evil is concerned, Israel is the world champion in mercilessness and vengeance.

March 7th, 2008, 09:47 PM

O please. If there was starvation in Gaza Pallywood would have made several feature length movies about it by now. The fact is that there is no more starvation in Gaza than there is in Parkdale.

March 7th, 2008, 09:49 PM

OMG they spat?!?! Then by all means, kill them all!!

March 7th, 2008, 10:00 PM

Just the Facts-funny quacks--Sort of like Germans making soap out of Jews--just nonsense
-but you can not provide any facts can you?

March 7th, 2008, 10:01 PM

Israel would love to wash it's hands of supplying Gaza.
Hama only considers it, Fatah rejects it.

http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articl...501759,00.html

I understand there are plans in Egypt to supply Gaza. That would be great, since Gaza was, after all, Egypt, before the advent of the mythical "Palestine".

March 7th, 2008, 10:02 PM

I have been providing facts. Pay attention.

March 7th, 2008, 10:34 PM

What difference does it make if they produced soap? They murdered 10 million people, 6 million of them jews...........what they did with the bodies is insignificant.

Do you know that today there are only about 14 million Jews?

March 7th, 2008, 11:07 PM

Would be sweet to see some back up to it, no way I am going to believe that there are only 9 millions through out the world.

March 7th, 2008, 11:36 PM

``neither the Israeli's nor the Palestinians want that?``

They should.

March 8th, 2008, 07:39 AM

Here you go......

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...sm/jewpop.html

Actually, if you do the math (add the population listed for the countries with the most Jews, then add the percentage of world population they represent) you come up with a figure of 12, 753, 500 Jews making up 97.5% of the world population..........extrapolate that to 100% and you get 13,072, 338 in the world as of 2006.

Sorry, I was wrong. There are only 13 million Jews in the world, less than 8 million outside of Israel.

March 8th, 2008, 09:35 AM

Colpy--
The Auschwitz Death Registers -- A Summary

The discovery of the "death books" in a Soviet archive lends yet more credence to the revisionist position that there were no mass gassings at Auschwitz. As you will see in the table below, not all the death books were found, and so some of the data must be extrapolated. For reasons of time, I have not shown the methods of extrapolating the missing data, but neither the extrapolated data nor the method used in the extrapolation is needed to illustrate the revisionist viewpoint.
Consider the years 1942 and 1943, for which we have nearly complete records in the death books. We know that during these years, there were typhus epidemics that ravaged the camps. Although the Nazi high command ordered that all steps be taken to end the epidemics and save prisoner lives, this same high command also planned to expand the size of the Auschwitz camp greatly (in itself an argument against the extermination thesis). Using as their basis the number of deaths in 1942 and 1943, Nazi planners set out to build sufficient crematory capacity to handle the "normal" number of deaths through typhus at the camp. In these plans, we see that the number of crematories planned for Auschwitz was actually lower than the number planned for "ordinary" camps (that is, camps not now claimed to have been extermination centers) such as Dachau and Buchenwald, in terms of the ratio of corpses per crematory.
Thus, the crematories that were built would have had no excess capacity to handle the hundreds of thousands (let alone millions) of victims claimed to have been killed in mass exterminations. As it has been pointed out, if there were in fact homicidal gas chambers for mass murder, they would have to have had as an accomplice enough crematory capacity to dispose of the corpses. Without the crematory capacity, there could have been no mass gassing program.
As shown in the table below, the bottom line is that there are 67,227 recorded deaths in the partial set of Auschwitz death registers found (or at least made available) so far. To these are added an additional 63,069 extrapolated deaths, for a total death toll at Auschwitz/Birkenau of 130,296. Of course, toward the end of the war when conditions were chaotic, there could easily have been additional unrecorded deaths, but almost certainly the total death toll at Auschwitz/Birkenau is less than 150,000.
Summary of the Auschwitz Death Books

Start End Known
deaths Extrapolated
deaths Total
deaths No. of
days Deaths
per day Totals 5/1/40 12/31/40 2000 2000 245 8 Total for 1940 2,000 1/1/41 8/3/41 4000 4000 215 19 8/4/41 9/10/41 1498 1498 38 39 9/11/41 10/20/41 1500 1500 40 38 10/21/41 11/22/41 1490 1490 33 45 11/23/41 12/31/41 1500 1500 39 38 Total for 1941 9,988 1/1/42 1/2/42 69 69 2 35 1/3/42 2/23/42 1500 1500 52 29 2/24/42 3/21/42 1496 1496 26 58 3/22/42 4/7/42 1490 1490 17 88 4/8/42 4/30/42 1429 1429 23 62 5/1/42 5/15/42 1500 1500 15 100 5/16/42 5/29/42 1473 1473 14 105 5/30/42 6/13/42 1500 1500 15 100 6/14/42 6/25/42 1500 1500 12 125 6/26/42 7/6/42 1499 1499 11 136 7/7/42 7/15/42 1498 1498 9 166 7/16/42 7/27/42 1460 1460 12 122 7/28/42 8/5/42 1498 1498 9 166 8/6/42 8/16/42 1472 1472 11 134 8/17/42 8/21/42 1489 1489 5 298 8/22/42 8/27/42 1498 1498 6 250 8/28/42 9/1/42 1492 1492 5 298 9/2/42 9/6/42 1498 1498 5 300 9/7/42 9/10/42 1498 1498 4 375 9/11/42 9/15/42 1492 1492 5 298 9/16/42 9/21/42 1404 1404 6 234 9/22/42 9/27/42 1488 1488 6 248 9/28/42 10/1/42 1442 1442 4 361 10/2/42 10/11/42 1438 1438 10 144 10/12/42 10/21/42 1482 1482 10 148 10/22/42 11/2/42 1484 1484 12 124 11/3/42 11/12/42 1490 1490 10 149 11/13 /42 12/4/42 3000 3000 22 136 12/5/42 12/14/42 1230 1230 10 123 12/15/42 12/31/42 1500 1500 17 88 Total for 1942 44,309 1/1/43 1/15/43 1492 1492 15 99 1/16/43 1/28/43 1484 1484 13 114 1/29/43 2/7/43 1486 1486 10 149 2/8/43 2/15/43 1500 1500 8 188 2/16/43 2/22/43 1442 1442 7 206 2/23/43 3/1/43 1442 1442 7 206 3/2/43 3/6/43 1488 1488 5 298 3/7/43 3/12/43 1498 1498 6 250 3/13/43 3/17/43 1492 1492 5 298 3/18/43 3/23/43 1460 1460 6 243 3/24/43 4/1/43 1428 1428 9 159 4/2/43 4/13/43 1500 1500 12 125 4/14/43 5/13/43 1480 1480 30 49 5/14/43 6/16/43 3000 3000 34 88 6/17/43 7/1/43 1465 1465 15 98 7/2/43 7/28/43 1480 1480 27 55 7/29/43 8/29/43 1494 1494 32 47 8/30/43 10/12/43 3000 3000 44 68 10/13/43 11/11/43 1490 1490 30 50 11/12/43 12/10/43 1414 1414 29 49 12/11/43 12/28/43 1500 1500 18 83 12/29/43 12/30/43 1494 1494 2 747 12/31/43 12/31/43 970 970 1 970 Total for 1943 36,499 1/1/44 12/31 /44 36000 36000 366 98 Total for 1944 36,000 1/1/45 1/18/45 1500 1500 18 83 Total for 1945 1,500 Totals 1941-1945 67,227 63,069 130,296 130,296

March 8th, 2008, 09:48 AM

Bull****.

First of all, these are partial records.

second of all, Jews in Aushwitz/Birkenau were slave labourers, they only gassed those they could not work to death.

Thirdly, there were 100 slave labour or extermination camps.........Aushwitz is simply the most famous.

Fourth...........a huge number of Jews were murdered outside the camps......so many that the executions were a drain on ammunition resources, leading to the admonition "one bullet, one Jew" Einsatzgruppen murdered outside of the camps "By mid-April 1942, the einsatzgruppen had already killed precisely 518,388 people; again, the vast majority were Jews" (Niall Ferguson in The War of the World: Twentieth Century conflict and the descent of the West, page 446) BTW, Ferguson is a professor of History at Harvard, and a Senior Research Fellow at both Oxford and Stanford universities....argue with HIM!

I have VERY little patience with Holocaust deniers, my blood pressure has already leaped.....who would have thought the left would become the greatest defenders of the NSDAP?

March 8th, 2008, 10:23 AM


Who would have thought the right would be defenders of apartheid?

March 8th, 2008, 10:57 AM

First of all, you can't even begin to compare apartheit with the murder of 10 million in a genocidal orgy.

Second, I never supported apartheit.....indeed, the mover and shaker of the movement of the gov'ts of the world against apartheit was the infamous Brian Mulroney, Conservative PM of Canada

March 8th, 2008, 11:31 AM

That's the most baffling argument of all the anti-Isreal tripe we hear here on a regular basis. Let's take a look at Logic7's map. Take a peek at the area known as Israel. Over 1 million Arabs, living free and prospering, working, voting, raising families. Now lets take a look at Jordan, the forgotten slice of Palestine (sloppy sloppy Logic, you forgot to crop out Jordan ). NO JEWS ALLOWED!

Apartheid. Yeah.