May 18th, 2008, 05:47 AM
Yep, and according to the once Vice President of Communications of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, it was OK to exit the vehicle and approach the Grizzlies eating carrion in the field to get better pictures.
Are you following me here?
I don't think you will, so here's the jist...
Credentials don't make you smart.
Quoting einmensch
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According to Hitham Al-Kilani
According to Hitham Al-Kilani
Yep, and according to the once Vice President of Communications of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, it was OK to exit the vehicle and approach the Grizzlies eating carrion in the field to get better pictures.
Are you following me here?
I don't think you will, so here's the jist...
Credentials don't make you smart.
Quoting #juan
That's called the price of waging war juan. The spoils of war as it were.
Palestine Independance? Where is Palestine? There used to be a place called Palestine but that is now Israel. Fifty or sixty years ago the Jews were given the larger half of Palestine and since that time the Jews have acquired not only the rest of Palestine, but part of Syria, part of Lebanon, part of Jordan, and part of Egypt. What waterless, sand covered, $hithole do we now want to give the Palestinians their independance in? Not to worry. It's not going to happen.
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May 18th, 2008, 08:13 AM
Sure....
As long as there's a "winner" war will continue. As long as there's acceptance among the "majority" that it's entirely appropriate for some to live a second "class"...subjugated existence, there will always be sufficient enthusiasm for killing in the name of "peace".
Humankind is incapable of evolving beyond its appetites.
Sure....
As long as there's a "winner" war will continue. As long as there's acceptance among the "majority" that it's entirely appropriate for some to live a second "class"...subjugated existence, there will always be sufficient enthusiasm for killing in the name of "peace".
Humankind is incapable of evolving beyond its appetites.
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May 18th, 2008, 09:18 AM
Quoting CDNBear
Yep, and according to the once Vice President of Communications of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, it was OK to exit the vehicle and approach the Grizzlies eating carrion in the field to get better pictures.
Are you following me here?
I don't think you will, so here's the jist...
Credentials don't make you smart.
That's called the price of waging war juan. The spoils of war as it were.
No. It's called let's arm the Jews to the teeth with every modern weapon avaikable, tanks, and fighter planes, while giving the Palestinians nothing. The Jews win everytime.....Is anyone surprised? It's also called "Let's veto about a hundred and fifty UN resolutions demanding that the Jews get out of Palestinian land" Ignorance is bliss.
Yep, and according to the once Vice President of Communications of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, it was OK to exit the vehicle and approach the Grizzlies eating carrion in the field to get better pictures.
Are you following me here?
I don't think you will, so here's the jist...
Credentials don't make you smart.
That's called the price of waging war juan. The spoils of war as it were.
May 18th, 2008, 09:33 AM
Quoting #juan
Ummm, juan, when Israel took the lands you highlighted, they were a rag tag militia. With less weaponry then the average Scarberian Boy Scout troop. Yes juan, 'ignorance is bliss' have a peaceful day in it.
No. It's called let's arm the Jews to the teeth with every modern weapon avaikable, tanks, and fighter planes, while giving the Palestinians nothing. The Jews win everytime.....Is anyone surprised? It's also called "Let's veto about a hundred and fifty UN resolutions demanding that the Jews get out of Palestinian land" Ignorance is bliss.
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May 18th, 2008, 09:52 AM
It's plain from the subject of this thread that Palestinians will be denied independence except on terms afforded the subjugated. As has been thier lot since the influx of Jewish conquerors from the turn of the last century Palestinians will continue to be systematically displaced by an expanding Israel who must exterminate the Palestinian majority or be swallowed by it in any democratic arrangement, this is as well understood today as it has been understood from the first. There will be no peace for anyone anywhere with Zionism. The present long standing phoney peace process set-up and operated all these many years is more than enough evidence of the fate awaiting the Palestinians in particular and the broader Arab middle eastern world in general. There is no logical outcome but war and on a wide and grand scale being arranged right now by Nato stooges and the Zionist master race. This is the epicenter of the next and possible last conflagration of global warfare which has been simmering away since the last big commercial venture known as WWII. This must be brought to a full boil now before the oportunity of aquisition and consolidation of market supremacy of the planetary scale is lost through the wastefull inactivity known as peace prevails and or the eastern devils gain a firmer purchase on our oil reserves in the ME which in case you're wondering lubricate practically every human activity in the western world. This is the year of the Olympic War.
It's plain from the subject of this thread that Palestinians will be denied independence except on terms afforded the subjugated. As has been thier lot since the influx of Jewish conquerors from the turn of the last century Palestinians will continue to be systematically displaced by an expanding Israel who must exterminate the Palestinian majority or be swallowed by it in any democratic arrangement, this is as well understood today as it has been understood from the first. There will be no peace for anyone anywhere with Zionism. The present long standing phoney peace process set-up and operated all these many years is more than enough evidence of the fate awaiting the Palestinians in particular and the broader Arab middle eastern world in general. There is no logical outcome but war and on a wide and grand scale being arranged right now by Nato stooges and the Zionist master race. This is the epicenter of the next and possible last conflagration of global warfare which has been simmering away since the last big commercial venture known as WWII. This must be brought to a full boil now before the oportunity of aquisition and consolidation of market supremacy of the planetary scale is lost through the wastefull inactivity known as peace prevails and or the eastern devils gain a firmer purchase on our oil reserves in the ME which in case you're wondering lubricate practically every human activity in the western world. This is the year of the Olympic War.
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May 18th, 2008, 10:11 AM
[quote=einmensch;952493]CDN Bear--your words of wisdom?? Got any statistics on Israeli/Arab military capabilities in 1948? Please post them.[/quot
Israel had 140,000 under arms by the end of the 1948 war. Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Palestine had a combined strength of 710,000.
This seems a neutral source.
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/india/israel1948.htm
Follow the link to the War of 1948 at the above site..............scroll down and you will see a assessment of the battles of that war, and yes, they say by the end Israeli forces did outnumber the Arab attackers........
This also appears:
But JEWS expelled? Run out of their homes? Driven away?
Say it isn't so!
[quote=einmensch;952493]CDN Bear--your words of wisdom?? Got any statistics on Israeli/Arab military capabilities in 1948? Please post them.[/quot
Israel had 140,000 under arms by the end of the 1948 war. Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Palestine had a combined strength of 710,000.
This seems a neutral source.
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/india/israel1948.htm
Follow the link to the War of 1948 at the above site..............scroll down and you will see a assessment of the battles of that war, and yes, they say by the end Israeli forces did outnumber the Arab attackers........
This also appears:
Quote:
My old history prof once went on and on at how well the Arab Legion preformed in 1948....seems he was right.....
The heaviest fighting would occur in Jerusalem and on the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv road, between Transjordan's Arab Legion and the Israeli forces. Abdullah ordered Glubb Pasha, the commander of the Transjordanian Arab Legion, to enter Jerusalem on 17 May, and heavy house-to-house fighting occurred between 19 May and 28 May, with the Arab Legion succeeding in expelling Israeli forces from the Arab quarters of Jerusalem as well as the Jewish Quarter of the Old City. All the Jewish inhabitants of the Old City were expelled by the Jordanians
But JEWS expelled? Run out of their homes? Driven away?
Say it isn't so!
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May 18th, 2008, 10:27 AM
Colpy
Did your history prof tell you that taking other peoples lands and placing them under an occupation rule was an appropriate endeavor?
Perhaps we're talking about "survival imperative" here? Wherein the nation with the largest military machine and a demonstrated propensity to establish military bases and exercise its military muscle all over the world... unbalances the natural order to impose the will of the few over the will of the many....?
If your "Israel" is so worthy of "saving" let them demonstrate how they might manage without the deep pockets of their "good-friends" the Yanks!
Colpy
Did your history prof tell you that taking other peoples lands and placing them under an occupation rule was an appropriate endeavor?
Perhaps we're talking about "survival imperative" here? Wherein the nation with the largest military machine and a demonstrated propensity to establish military bases and exercise its military muscle all over the world... unbalances the natural order to impose the will of the few over the will of the many....?
If your "Israel" is so worthy of "saving" let them demonstrate how they might manage without the deep pockets of their "good-friends" the Yanks!
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May 18th, 2008, 10:30 AM
In fact, there was a huge fight between Truman and the State Dep't over even recognizing Israel..........
Quoting MikeyDB
Excuse me Mikey, but the subject is the 1948 War.........in which the USA provided for Israel exactly.......NOTHING!
Colpy
Did your history prof tell you that taking other peoples lands and placing them under an occupation rule was an appropriate endeavor?
Perhaps we're talking about "survival imperative" here? Wherein the nation with the largest military machine and a demonstrated propensity to establish military bases and exercise its military muscle all over the world... unbalances the natural order to impose the will of the few over the will of the many....?
If your "Israel" is so worthy of "saving" let them demonstrate how they might manage without the deep pockets of their "good-friends" the Yanks!
Did your history prof tell you that taking other peoples lands and placing them under an occupation rule was an appropriate endeavor?
Perhaps we're talking about "survival imperative" here? Wherein the nation with the largest military machine and a demonstrated propensity to establish military bases and exercise its military muscle all over the world... unbalances the natural order to impose the will of the few over the will of the many....?
If your "Israel" is so worthy of "saving" let them demonstrate how they might manage without the deep pockets of their "good-friends" the Yanks!
In fact, there was a huge fight between Truman and the State Dep't over even recognizing Israel..........
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May 18th, 2008, 10:36 AM
Colpy
And where is the "justice" in occupying other people's territory and establishing a conflict that's cost lives for sixty years?
You feel proud no doubt that a decision taken at the creation of the State of Israel has resulted in the decades of turmoil and destruction that it has....
Some sense of justice you have there!
Colpy
And where is the "justice" in occupying other people's territory and establishing a conflict that's cost lives for sixty years?
You feel proud no doubt that a decision taken at the creation of the State of Israel has resulted in the decades of turmoil and destruction that it has....
Some sense of justice you have there!
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May 18th, 2008, 10:39 AM
We may be ignorant of Israel's crimes, but Israel's neighbors know all about them. They know the history of Israel's criminal activity and watch Israel's ongoing crimes against humanity on their news in real time.
As a result, Israel's neighbors continue to become angrier and more hostile toward Israel.
The 2006 Israel/Hezbollah battle demonstrated that even though Israel's adversaries can now defeat Israel's military on the battle field, Israel still has a greater ability to kill innocent civilians.
Over time, people willing to fight Israel will become more numerous, better funded, armed, trained and led. Eventually Israel's adversaries will have the same ability to kill innocent civilians as Israel. What goes around will eventully come around. When that day comes, I will feel the same empathy for innocent Israeli civilians as I do now for innocent civilian victims of Israel's crimes.
Eventually Israel will fall just like Rome.
Quoting CDNBear
Zionists won most of the battles, but the war continues. Zionists in 1947-1948 and later (1948-present) the Zionist State called Israel government ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians from the land and seized their property. The Zionist State of Israel never stopped committing these atrocities and they continue to commit atrocities to this day.
...That's called the price of waging war juan. The spoils of war as it were.
Quote:
Official UN Document submitted for the record:
MARCH 09, 2008
Olmert backs settlement expansion
Ehud Olmert, Israel's prime minister, has approved plans to expand Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, in a move likely to complicate US-brokered talks with the Palestinians.
Israeli officials said new housing units will be erected in the settlement of Givat Ze'ev, which is 8km from central Jerusalem.
Sunday's announcement was made three days after an armed Palestinian man killed eight students at a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem that is associated with the settler movement.
Separately, an Israeli soldier wounded by Palestinian fighters on Thursday died of his wounds on Sunday.
Israel Radio reported that the ultra-Orthodox Shas party, a key coalition partner of Olmert, threatened to quit the government unless the construction was approved.
Eran Sidis, a spokesman for Zeev Boim, the Israeli housing minister, said the decision was taken after consultations with Olmert...
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...436D4A1E68.htm
Olmert backs settlement expansion
Ehud Olmert, Israel's prime minister, has approved plans to expand Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, in a move likely to complicate US-brokered talks with the Palestinians.
Israeli officials said new housing units will be erected in the settlement of Givat Ze'ev, which is 8km from central Jerusalem.
Sunday's announcement was made three days after an armed Palestinian man killed eight students at a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem that is associated with the settler movement.
Separately, an Israeli soldier wounded by Palestinian fighters on Thursday died of his wounds on Sunday.
Israel Radio reported that the ultra-Orthodox Shas party, a key coalition partner of Olmert, threatened to quit the government unless the construction was approved.
Eran Sidis, a spokesman for Zeev Boim, the Israeli housing minister, said the decision was taken after consultations with Olmert...
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...436D4A1E68.htm
Quote:
What CB calls "spoils of war" can also be described as theft, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
12 March 2008
Illegal Israeli actions in Occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory
Israel, the occupying Power, continues to construct and expand settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, especially in and around East Jerusalem, further entrenching its illegal colonization and occupation of the Territory in grave breach of international law, particularly the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Israel's pursuit of such illegal settlement activities is in direct contravention of its obligations under the road map, which was endorsed by the Security Council in resolution 1515 (2003) to freeze all settlement activity, and presents yet another threat to the fragile peace process, which continues to suffer blow after blow as a result, inter alia, of such systematic violations.
In this regard, immediately after the resumption of the peace process with the convening of the Annapolis Conference in late November, Israel announced continuation of settlement construction in Occupied East Jerusalem at Jabal Abu Ghneim ("Har Homa"). This announcement damaged the renewed peace process, raising serious doubts regarding Israel's good faith in negotiations as it continues pursuing such illegal, destructive actions and creating more physical obstructions with which to contend on the road to achieving a just and lasting peace settlement.
Despite the international rejection of these actions and the impact on the peace process, Israel has now announced Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's approval of the construction of 750 new units in the "Givat Ze'ev" settlement north of East Jerusalem. Plans for 400 new settlement units in the Nabi Ya'coub neighbourhood in East Jerusalem were also recently declared. These announcements come just a few days before the planned meeting of the trilateral committee, headed by United States Lt. General William Fraser, to discuss practical measures for implementing road map obligations, including the complete cessation of settlement activities. At the same time, armed, militant Israeli settlers continue to commit acts of violence and to harass and terrorize Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. The situation is particularly acute in the city of Al-Khalil (Hebron), where tensions remain high and the Palestinian civilian population lives under constant anxiety and fear due to such violent and inflammatory actions by fanatical settlers.
All of these colonization activities are illegal. Article 49 (6) of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, stipulates that "the Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies". Furthermore, when committed wilfully and in violation of the Conventions or the Protocol, such acts are regarded as grave breaches under article 85 (4) (a) of Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and Relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I).
Regrettably, despite the law; despite multiple United Nations resolutions calling upon Israel to immediately cease all settlement activities; despite the determination by the International Court of Justice, in its advisory opinion of 9 July 2004, that Israel's settlement activities constitute breaches of international law; and despite the total contradiction to the existence of the peace process, Israel has never ceased its illegal colonial settlement activities. land confiscations, settlement construction and expansion, construction of Israeli-only bypass roads and establishment of settlement outposts, as well as the construction of the wall, continue unabated in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in East Jerusalem, fragmenting the Territory and undermining its contiguity, integrity and unity.
Israel's colonization activities are also extremely provocative. Such illegal actions undermine the peace process, poisoning the atmosphere between the two sides, sapping whatever momentum has been generated and diverting energies, and negatively taint the process, calling into question Israel's credibility in negotiations. Indeed, the illegal settlement campaign and the peace process clearly cannot coexist, for these actions threaten the peace process as a whole, as they physically undermine the future prospects for achieving the two-State solution of Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security on the basis of the 1967 borders.
All of this is being committed by the occupying Power simultaneously with its ongoing military campaign in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, its intense siege of the Gaza Strip, its many measures of collective punishment against the civilian population and countless other violations it is committing against the Palestinian people under its occupation. The pressure and harm inflicted on both the Palestinian people and the peace process as a result cannot be underestimated.
In the light of these developments, it is incumbent upon the international community, particularly the Security Council, to compel Israel, the occupying Power, to cease all illegal settlement activities and to abide scrupulously by all of its obligations under international law. Israel should also be called upon to rescind its recent decisions and urged to take confidence-building measures to indicate its seriousness in addressing this critical issue. Such steps are vital for calming and improving the atmosphere, reviving momentum and helping to advance the peace process towards its stated goals.
The present letter is in follow-up to our previous 311 letters to you regarding the ongoing crisis in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, since 28 September 2000. Those letters, dated from 29 September 2000 (A/55/432-S/2000/921) to 3 March 2008 (A/ES-10/415-S/2008/150), constitute a basic record of the crimes being committed by Israel, the occupying Power, against the Palestinian people since September 2000. For all of these war crimes, State terrorism and systematic human rights violations committed against the Palestinian people, Israel, the occupying Power, must be held accountable and the perpetrators must be brought to justice.
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/22f...c!OpenDocument
Illegal Israeli actions in Occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory
Israel, the occupying Power, continues to construct and expand settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, especially in and around East Jerusalem, further entrenching its illegal colonization and occupation of the Territory in grave breach of international law, particularly the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Israel's pursuit of such illegal settlement activities is in direct contravention of its obligations under the road map, which was endorsed by the Security Council in resolution 1515 (2003) to freeze all settlement activity, and presents yet another threat to the fragile peace process, which continues to suffer blow after blow as a result, inter alia, of such systematic violations.
In this regard, immediately after the resumption of the peace process with the convening of the Annapolis Conference in late November, Israel announced continuation of settlement construction in Occupied East Jerusalem at Jabal Abu Ghneim ("Har Homa"). This announcement damaged the renewed peace process, raising serious doubts regarding Israel's good faith in negotiations as it continues pursuing such illegal, destructive actions and creating more physical obstructions with which to contend on the road to achieving a just and lasting peace settlement.
Despite the international rejection of these actions and the impact on the peace process, Israel has now announced Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's approval of the construction of 750 new units in the "Givat Ze'ev" settlement north of East Jerusalem. Plans for 400 new settlement units in the Nabi Ya'coub neighbourhood in East Jerusalem were also recently declared. These announcements come just a few days before the planned meeting of the trilateral committee, headed by United States Lt. General William Fraser, to discuss practical measures for implementing road map obligations, including the complete cessation of settlement activities. At the same time, armed, militant Israeli settlers continue to commit acts of violence and to harass and terrorize Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. The situation is particularly acute in the city of Al-Khalil (Hebron), where tensions remain high and the Palestinian civilian population lives under constant anxiety and fear due to such violent and inflammatory actions by fanatical settlers.
All of these colonization activities are illegal. Article 49 (6) of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, stipulates that "the Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies". Furthermore, when committed wilfully and in violation of the Conventions or the Protocol, such acts are regarded as grave breaches under article 85 (4) (a) of Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and Relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I).
Regrettably, despite the law; despite multiple United Nations resolutions calling upon Israel to immediately cease all settlement activities; despite the determination by the International Court of Justice, in its advisory opinion of 9 July 2004, that Israel's settlement activities constitute breaches of international law; and despite the total contradiction to the existence of the peace process, Israel has never ceased its illegal colonial settlement activities. land confiscations, settlement construction and expansion, construction of Israeli-only bypass roads and establishment of settlement outposts, as well as the construction of the wall, continue unabated in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in East Jerusalem, fragmenting the Territory and undermining its contiguity, integrity and unity.
Israel's colonization activities are also extremely provocative. Such illegal actions undermine the peace process, poisoning the atmosphere between the two sides, sapping whatever momentum has been generated and diverting energies, and negatively taint the process, calling into question Israel's credibility in negotiations. Indeed, the illegal settlement campaign and the peace process clearly cannot coexist, for these actions threaten the peace process as a whole, as they physically undermine the future prospects for achieving the two-State solution of Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security on the basis of the 1967 borders.
All of this is being committed by the occupying Power simultaneously with its ongoing military campaign in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, its intense siege of the Gaza Strip, its many measures of collective punishment against the civilian population and countless other violations it is committing against the Palestinian people under its occupation. The pressure and harm inflicted on both the Palestinian people and the peace process as a result cannot be underestimated.
In the light of these developments, it is incumbent upon the international community, particularly the Security Council, to compel Israel, the occupying Power, to cease all illegal settlement activities and to abide scrupulously by all of its obligations under international law. Israel should also be called upon to rescind its recent decisions and urged to take confidence-building measures to indicate its seriousness in addressing this critical issue. Such steps are vital for calming and improving the atmosphere, reviving momentum and helping to advance the peace process towards its stated goals.
The present letter is in follow-up to our previous 311 letters to you regarding the ongoing crisis in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, since 28 September 2000. Those letters, dated from 29 September 2000 (A/55/432-S/2000/921) to 3 March 2008 (A/ES-10/415-S/2008/150), constitute a basic record of the crimes being committed by Israel, the occupying Power, against the Palestinian people since September 2000. For all of these war crimes, State terrorism and systematic human rights violations committed against the Palestinian people, Israel, the occupying Power, must be held accountable and the perpetrators must be brought to justice.
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/22f...c!OpenDocument
We may be ignorant of Israel's crimes, but Israel's neighbors know all about them. They know the history of Israel's criminal activity and watch Israel's ongoing crimes against humanity on their news in real time.
As a result, Israel's neighbors continue to become angrier and more hostile toward Israel.
The 2006 Israel/Hezbollah battle demonstrated that even though Israel's adversaries can now defeat Israel's military on the battle field, Israel still has a greater ability to kill innocent civilians.
Over time, people willing to fight Israel will become more numerous, better funded, armed, trained and led. Eventually Israel's adversaries will have the same ability to kill innocent civilians as Israel. What goes around will eventully come around. When that day comes, I will feel the same empathy for innocent Israeli civilians as I do now for innocent civilian victims of Israel's crimes.
Eventually Israel will fall just like Rome.
May 18th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Quoting einmensch
Not sure how this post of yours preceded the post in which I made referrence to such things, very queer. But Colpy summed it up best. I'm quoting it because it bears repeating.
CDN Bear--your words of wisdom?? Got any statistics on Israeli/Arab military capabilities in 1948? Please post them.
Quoting Colpy
Israel had 140,000 under arms by the end of the 1948 war. Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Palestine had a combined strength of 710,000.
This seems a neutral source.
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/india/israel1948.htm
Follow the link to the War of 1948 at the above site..............scroll down and you will see a assessment of the battles of that war, and yes, they say by the end Israeli forces did outnumber the Arab attackers........
This also appears:
My old history prof once went on and on at how well the Arab Legion preformed in 1948....seems he was right.....
But JEWS expelled? Run out of their homes? Driven away?
Say it isn't so!
Israel had 140,000 under arms by the end of the 1948 war. Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Palestine had a combined strength of 710,000.
This seems a neutral source.
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/india/israel1948.htm
Follow the link to the War of 1948 at the above site..............scroll down and you will see a assessment of the battles of that war, and yes, they say by the end Israeli forces did outnumber the Arab attackers........
This also appears:
My old history prof once went on and on at how well the Arab Legion preformed in 1948....seems he was right.....
But JEWS expelled? Run out of their homes? Driven away?
Say it isn't so!
May 18th, 2008, 10:44 AM
Quoting earth_as_one
Zionists won most of the battles, but the war continues. Zionists in 1947-1948 and later (1948-present) the Zionist State called Israel government ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians from the land and seized their property. The Zionist State of Israel never stopped committing these atrocities and they continue to commit atrocities to this day.
Official UN Document submitted for the record:
What CB calls "spoils of war" can also be described as war crimes and crimes against humanity.
We may be ignorant of Israel's crimes, but Israel's neighbors know all about them. They know the history of Israel's criminal activity and watch Israel's ongoing crimes against humanity on their news in real time.
As a result, Israel's neighbors continue to become angrier and more hostile toward Israel.
The 2006 Israel/Hezbollah battle demonstrated that even though Israel's adversaries can now defeat Israel's military on the battle field, Israel still has a greater ability to kill innocent civilians.
Over time, people willing to fight Israel will become more numerous, better funded, armed, trained and led. Eventually Israel's adversaries will have the same ability to kill innocent civilians as Israel. What goes around will eventully come around. When that day comes, I will feel the same empathy for innocent Israeli civilians as I do now for innocent civilian victims of Israel's crimes.
Eventually Israel will fall just like Rome.
Official UN Document submitted for the record:
What CB calls "spoils of war" can also be described as war crimes and crimes against humanity.
We may be ignorant of Israel's crimes, but Israel's neighbors know all about them. They know the history of Israel's criminal activity and watch Israel's ongoing crimes against humanity on their news in real time.
As a result, Israel's neighbors continue to become angrier and more hostile toward Israel.
The 2006 Israel/Hezbollah battle demonstrated that even though Israel's adversaries can now defeat Israel's military on the battle field, Israel still has a greater ability to kill innocent civilians.
Over time, people willing to fight Israel will become more numerous, better funded, armed, trained and led. Eventually Israel's adversaries will have the same ability to kill innocent civilians as Israel. What goes around will eventully come around. When that day comes, I will feel the same empathy for innocent Israeli civilians as I do now for innocent civilian victims of Israel's crimes.
Eventually Israel will fall just like Rome.
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May 18th, 2008, 10:55 AM
During the 1947-48 battles, a small number of Palestinian Jews also fled their homes and have not returned. Though their numbers are small compared to non-Jewish refugees, they also lost their property and have not been compensated. The UN resolutions regarding refugees resulting from this war also applies to them.
During the 1947-48 battles, a small number of Palestinian Jews also fled their homes and have not returned. Though their numbers are small compared to non-Jewish refugees, they also lost their property and have not been compensated. The UN resolutions regarding refugees resulting from this war also applies to them.
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May 18th, 2008, 10:56 AM
Quoting earth_as_one
You're probably right. And when that day comes, "Palestinians" will be leaving the area in droves. They won't be able to get out of there fast enough. They'll be refugees of their own making....again. Occupied Palestine will become abandoned Palestine. Mark my words.
Eventually Israel will fall just like Rome.
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May 18th, 2008, 11:04 AM
From wikipedia:
Israel: 29,677 initially rising to 115,000 by March 1949
Egypt: 10,000 initially rising to 20,000
Iraq: 5,000 initially rising to 15–18,000
Syria: 2,500–5,000
Transjordan: 6,000–12,000
Lebanon: 1,000 initially rising to 2,000[2]
Saudi Arabia: 800–1,200
Yemen: unknown
Arab Liberation Army: 3,500-6,000
60,000 divided, disorganized, poorly armed and led Arabs and Muslims never had a chance against 115,000 unified, well trained, armed and led Zionists.
From wikipedia:
Israel: 29,677 initially rising to 115,000 by March 1949
Egypt: 10,000 initially rising to 20,000
Iraq: 5,000 initially rising to 15–18,000
Syria: 2,500–5,000
Transjordan: 6,000–12,000
Lebanon: 1,000 initially rising to 2,000[2]
Saudi Arabia: 800–1,200
Yemen: unknown
Arab Liberation Army: 3,500-6,000
60,000 divided, disorganized, poorly armed and led Arabs and Muslims never had a chance against 115,000 unified, well trained, armed and led Zionists.
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May 18th, 2008, 11:10 AM
Quoting earth_as_one
Yup, you could be wrong. I'm pretty sure I found and posted a complete rundown of troop and equipment strength when we had this conversation a long time ago. I'll see if I can find it again. If I recall it was pretty glaring, Israel had like one tank or something. As was mentioned earlier, they did do a heck of a job of arming themselves during the course of the war.
From wikipedia:
Israel: 29,677 initially rising to 115,000 by March 1949
Egypt: 10,000 initially rising to 20,000
Iraq: 5,000 initially rising to 15–18,000
Syria: 2,500–5,000
Transjordan: 6,000–12,000
Lebanon: 1,000 initially rising to 2,000[2]
Saudi Arabia: 800–1,200
Yemen: unknown
Arab Liberation Army: 3,500-6,000
60,000 divided, disorganized, poorly armed and led Arabs and Muslims never had a chance against 115,000 unified, well trained, armed and led Zionists.
Israel: 29,677 initially rising to 115,000 by March 1949
Egypt: 10,000 initially rising to 20,000
Iraq: 5,000 initially rising to 15–18,000
Syria: 2,500–5,000
Transjordan: 6,000–12,000
Lebanon: 1,000 initially rising to 2,000[2]
Saudi Arabia: 800–1,200
Yemen: unknown
Arab Liberation Army: 3,500-6,000
60,000 divided, disorganized, poorly armed and led Arabs and Muslims never had a chance against 115,000 unified, well trained, armed and led Zionists.
