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May 7th, 2008, 09:00 PM
That happened, thats how the current situation occurred.
While Israel has the support of the USA now, it sure as hell didn't in 1948 when the USA was opposed (over fears Israel would become a Soviet puppet) nor Britain (who supported Greater Syria and who'se Commanders lead the Arab Legion) nor anyone.
The problem with "last man standing" fights is another 20 years there is another set of men unless you are willing to commit genocide (which Israel has shown it isn't by the very nature its still dealing with the issue). That is EXACTLY what is going on now.
And its not that I belove Israel, I just see an immigrant based democracy similar to our own rather than a group of "Shyster Jews" out to screw everyone over.
That happened, thats how the current situation occurred.
While Israel has the support of the USA now, it sure as hell didn't in 1948 when the USA was opposed (over fears Israel would become a Soviet puppet) nor Britain (who supported Greater Syria and who'se Commanders lead the Arab Legion) nor anyone.
The problem with "last man standing" fights is another 20 years there is another set of men unless you are willing to commit genocide (which Israel has shown it isn't by the very nature its still dealing with the issue). That is EXACTLY what is going on now.
And its not that I belove Israel, I just see an immigrant based democracy similar to our own rather than a group of "Shyster Jews" out to screw everyone over.
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May 7th, 2008, 09:13 PM
Quoting Zzarchov
"A government doesn't need to intentionally be rotten, most rot is the result of many small scale corruptions each unchecked and spreading."
That happened, thats how the current situation occurred.
While Israel has the support of the USA now, it sure as hell didn't in 1948 when the USA was opposed (over fears Israel would become a Soviet puppet) nor Britain (who supported Greater Syria and who'se Commanders lead the Arab Legion) nor anyone.
The problem with "last man standing" fights is another 20 years there is another set of men unless you are willing to commit genocide (which Israel has shown it isn't by the very nature its still dealing with the issue). That is EXACTLY what is going on now.
And its not that I belove Israel, I just see an immigrant based democracy similar to our own rather than a group of "Shyster Jews" out to screw everyone over.
While Israel has the support of the USA now, it sure as hell didn't in 1948 when the USA was opposed (over fears Israel would become a Soviet puppet) nor Britain (who supported Greater Syria and who'se Commanders lead the Arab Legion) nor anyone.
The problem with "last man standing" fights is another 20 years there is another set of men unless you are willing to commit genocide (which Israel has shown it isn't by the very nature its still dealing with the issue). That is EXACTLY what is going on now.
And its not that I belove Israel, I just see an immigrant based democracy similar to our own rather than a group of "Shyster Jews" out to screw everyone over.
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May 8th, 2008, 07:30 AM
Colpy -since the plaque read "4 million murdered" in Hebrew I guess it was the Jews who recognized that number.
Here here some IDF Palestinian child murders.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine46.html
Imagine however if the soldier in the photograph was a German and the children he was taking aim at were Jewish, would his act then be considered terrorism? http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine22.html
Colpy -since the plaque read "4 million murdered" in Hebrew I guess it was the Jews who recognized that number.
Here here some IDF Palestinian child murders.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine46.html
Imagine however if the soldier in the photograph was a German and the children he was taking aim at were Jewish, would his act then be considered terrorism? http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine22.html
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May 8th, 2008, 08:54 AM
The facts remain, despite your attempts to sidetrack.........no one in the west believed 4 million died at Auschwitz, and that number was NOT included in the 6 million.
As for the photograph and article.......some points.
If a Nazi shot a Jew, he was congratulated........
Jews rarely threw stones at German soldiers
Nazis never went to jail for killing Jews.
AND in Canada, the rules are that you can only use lethal force "if you or someone else is in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily harm"...... Guess what? A rock in the face is "grievous bodily harm"
In Canada, he could legally have shot him.
Give up....just admit you hate Jews....get your jackboots out of the closet....it becomes increasingly obvious you are not even slightly interested in "truth", only in the destruction of Israel and Jews.
Quoting einmensch
What, communist propagandists are forbidden to write in Hebrew? There are no Jewish communists?
Colpy -since the plaque read "4 million murdered" in Hebrew I guess it was the Jews who recognized that number.
Here here some IDF Palestinian child murders.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine46.html
Imagine however if the soldier in the photograph was a German and the children he was taking aim at were Jewish, would his act then be considered terrorism? http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine22.html
Here here some IDF Palestinian child murders.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine46.html
Imagine however if the soldier in the photograph was a German and the children he was taking aim at were Jewish, would his act then be considered terrorism? http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine22.html
The facts remain, despite your attempts to sidetrack.........no one in the west believed 4 million died at Auschwitz, and that number was NOT included in the 6 million.
As for the photograph and article.......some points.
If a Nazi shot a Jew, he was congratulated........
Jews rarely threw stones at German soldiers
Nazis never went to jail for killing Jews.
AND in Canada, the rules are that you can only use lethal force "if you or someone else is in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily harm"...... Guess what? A rock in the face is "grievous bodily harm"
In Canada, he could legally have shot him.
Give up....just admit you hate Jews....get your jackboots out of the closet....it becomes increasingly obvious you are not even slightly interested in "truth", only in the destruction of Israel and Jews.
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May 8th, 2008, 08:58 AM
were the Israelis freed from their own sense of decency, they would simply push everybody in Gaza over the border into Egypt in a massive military operation, and annex the territory..........
Quoting lone wolf
oh Bull****!
Your accusations that I am speaking out of hate for your beloved Israel, when in fact, I have made observations you simply cannot accept is where we have come to loggerheads, Zorch. There is no need to cloud it further for you and I cannot have a civil discussion about issues that fire so much emotion.
There is no black or white, right or wrong or left and right because it is all black and white, right and wrong and left or right. Both sides in the whole stinking mess are equally guilty and neither will ever seek common ground. I truly believe the only way to find a solution is to lock them into a space together - without outside interference - and may the winner win.
There is no black or white, right or wrong or left and right because it is all black and white, right and wrong and left or right. Both sides in the whole stinking mess are equally guilty and neither will ever seek common ground. I truly believe the only way to find a solution is to lock them into a space together - without outside interference - and may the winner win.
were the Israelis freed from their own sense of decency, they would simply push everybody in Gaza over the border into Egypt in a massive military operation, and annex the territory..........
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May 8th, 2008, 09:24 AM
Israel does not belong there. European Jewry was placed among the Arab world without respect for the natives - Jew or Arab. Arrogance breeds contempt. There is a statement in here somewhere which reads, in effect, they can't get along with anyone. How do you suppose they became the Wandering Tribe in the first place? Everyone is a sucker for a narcissist - until they get into your world.
Quoting Colpy
Sense of decency my a$$! It's the sense that Uncle Sam will cut off her allowance that keeps Israel almost restrained. That push would invite another that puts them all into the Mediterranean Sea.
oh Bull****!
were the Israelis freed from their own sense of decency, they would simply push everybody in Gaza over the border into Egypt in a massive military operation, and annex the territory..........
were the Israelis freed from their own sense of decency, they would simply push everybody in Gaza over the border into Egypt in a massive military operation, and annex the territory..........
Israel does not belong there. European Jewry was placed among the Arab world without respect for the natives - Jew or Arab. Arrogance breeds contempt. There is a statement in here somewhere which reads, in effect, they can't get along with anyone. How do you suppose they became the Wandering Tribe in the first place? Everyone is a sucker for a narcissist - until they get into your world.
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May 8th, 2008, 10:32 AM
And yet, without Uncle Sam's allowance, Israel still prevailed in every battle thrown against it.
Israel doesn't need Uncle Sam's allowance, but Colpy is right, if it was a last man standing battle and Israel was like its neighbours, Israel wouldn't have any problems right now.
But it isn't like its neighbours (Syria especially)
And yet, without Uncle Sam's allowance, Israel still prevailed in every battle thrown against it.
Israel doesn't need Uncle Sam's allowance, but Colpy is right, if it was a last man standing battle and Israel was like its neighbours, Israel wouldn't have any problems right now.
But it isn't like its neighbours (Syria especially)
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May 8th, 2008, 11:20 AM
Woof!
Quoting Zzarchov
On even terms? Can Isrealis swim?
And yet, without Uncle Sam's allowance, Israel still prevailed in every battle thrown against it.
Israel doesn't need Uncle Sam's allowance, but Colpy is right, if it was a last man standing battle and Israel was like its neighbours, Israel wouldn't have any problems right now.
But it isn't like its neighbours (Syria especially)
Israel doesn't need Uncle Sam's allowance, but Colpy is right, if it was a last man standing battle and Israel was like its neighbours, Israel wouldn't have any problems right now.
But it isn't like its neighbours (Syria especially)
Woof!
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May 9th, 2008, 06:51 AM
You people need to take a long look in the mirror. This would be deemed unacceptable if aimed at any other people on earth.
Why do Jews need a Jewish nation? Because attitudes like this persist among otherwise decent folk. It amazes my the "folk memory" that carries bias and hatred from generation to generation.........
Should "European Jewry" have stayed in Europe, and continued to be lambs awaiting the slaughter? And don't tell me the Holocaust was over......I know that. What I want you to remember is that the Holocaust was simply the logical conclusion of 1,ooo years of pogroms, forced isolation, murder, prejudice, and taking the blame for every misfortune.......and just read through these threads to see how "Christian" hatred of Jews continues. Remember, Canada would save no Jewish refugees before WWII, and would take no Jewish refugees AFTER WWII.
So back to the ancient homeland.......they had no choice.
Quoting lone wolf
Probably the most ethnically insulting post I have yet read here.
Sense of decency my a$$! It's the sense that Uncle Sam will cut off her allowance that keeps Israel almost restrained. That push would invite another that puts them all into the Mediterranean Sea.
Israel does not belong there. European Jewry was placed among the Arab world without respect for the natives - Jew or Arab. Arrogance breeds contempt. There is a statement in here somewhere which reads, in effect, they can't get along with anyone. How do you suppose they became the Wandering Tribe in the first place? Everyone is a sucker for a narcissist - until they get into your world.
Israel does not belong there. European Jewry was placed among the Arab world without respect for the natives - Jew or Arab. Arrogance breeds contempt. There is a statement in here somewhere which reads, in effect, they can't get along with anyone. How do you suppose they became the Wandering Tribe in the first place? Everyone is a sucker for a narcissist - until they get into your world.
You people need to take a long look in the mirror. This would be deemed unacceptable if aimed at any other people on earth.
Why do Jews need a Jewish nation? Because attitudes like this persist among otherwise decent folk. It amazes my the "folk memory" that carries bias and hatred from generation to generation.........
Should "European Jewry" have stayed in Europe, and continued to be lambs awaiting the slaughter? And don't tell me the Holocaust was over......I know that. What I want you to remember is that the Holocaust was simply the logical conclusion of 1,ooo years of pogroms, forced isolation, murder, prejudice, and taking the blame for every misfortune.......and just read through these threads to see how "Christian" hatred of Jews continues. Remember, Canada would save no Jewish refugees before WWII, and would take no Jewish refugees AFTER WWII.
So back to the ancient homeland.......they had no choice.
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May 9th, 2008, 07:50 AM
Israel and the people of that nation should be thankful that the Arab states don't have solidarity in their views and that there wouldn't appear to be a military strategist among the billion strong Moslem faith. Perhaps a military strategist would recognize that in the event of a move to eradicate Israel that the United States would be forced if for no other reason than to "save-face" to get involved militarily. Following the example of the United States it would seem entirely appropriate to infiltrate the U.S. and organize sleeper cells to gather information and at a pre-determined time initiate a situation that would ocupy the attention and demand materiel in addressing that situation while the regional massing of troops and materiel in close proximity to Israel would begin to move. This is an entirely "do-able" operation and while the risk might be that the U.S. and Israel would feel that nuclear reprisal was the only viable option available, irradiating the petroleum fields and perhaps escalting the conflict to that level could inspire Russia and China to protect their interests in the region.....
But hey..... No one wants this situation and no one seems the slightest bit prepared to acknowledge that there were some very poor decisions made and some less than intelligent responses to the dynamic. I know Colpy would feel just fine if the Arabs disappeared in a cloud of radioactive dust after initiating hostilities against Israel and the bottom line here is that the biological imperative to survival and preservation of the species is willingly set-aside when it comes to "Israel".
It's a noble sentiment isn't it?
Israel and the people of that nation should be thankful that the Arab states don't have solidarity in their views and that there wouldn't appear to be a military strategist among the billion strong Moslem faith. Perhaps a military strategist would recognize that in the event of a move to eradicate Israel that the United States would be forced if for no other reason than to "save-face" to get involved militarily. Following the example of the United States it would seem entirely appropriate to infiltrate the U.S. and organize sleeper cells to gather information and at a pre-determined time initiate a situation that would ocupy the attention and demand materiel in addressing that situation while the regional massing of troops and materiel in close proximity to Israel would begin to move. This is an entirely "do-able" operation and while the risk might be that the U.S. and Israel would feel that nuclear reprisal was the only viable option available, irradiating the petroleum fields and perhaps escalting the conflict to that level could inspire Russia and China to protect their interests in the region.....
But hey..... No one wants this situation and no one seems the slightest bit prepared to acknowledge that there were some very poor decisions made and some less than intelligent responses to the dynamic. I know Colpy would feel just fine if the Arabs disappeared in a cloud of radioactive dust after initiating hostilities against Israel and the bottom line here is that the biological imperative to survival and preservation of the species is willingly set-aside when it comes to "Israel".
It's a noble sentiment isn't it?
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May 9th, 2008, 10:11 AM
they won.
Thats happened several times in their history, every time the victory just gets bigger and bigger.
The Israelis have better morale (they know they only get to lose once, the Palestinians know they can lose and try again)
The Israelis have better training and discipline (relating to the above issue)
The Israelis build up their infrastructure rather than cannibalize it (ie, they don't loot their own youth centers , blow up their own power stations and fuel depots).
Israel has been on even terms, Israel has been the underdog and Israel has been on top. And thats where they are now. So "on even terms" has been done.
Quoting lone wolf
Well when Israel was the underdog fighting against Soviet and British supplied Arab forces who outnumbered them and outgunned them,
On even terms? Can Isrealis swim?
Woof!
Woof!
they won.
Thats happened several times in their history, every time the victory just gets bigger and bigger.
The Israelis have better morale (they know they only get to lose once, the Palestinians know they can lose and try again)
The Israelis have better training and discipline (relating to the above issue)
The Israelis build up their infrastructure rather than cannibalize it (ie, they don't loot their own youth centers , blow up their own power stations and fuel depots).
Israel has been on even terms, Israel has been the underdog and Israel has been on top. And thats where they are now. So "on even terms" has been done.
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May 9th, 2008, 10:31 AM
Quoting Zzarchov
I really don't care about Israel's material worth. That all adds to naught when the choice comes down to run or fight. Israel has softened. She hasn't a clue how to do without. Without Uncle Sam's pocket and arsenal, she would have nothing - exactly what Palestine has now. Thing is, Palestinians have the fire in the belly that "nothing left to lose" ignites. Traing and discipline aren't effective when up against dedication. Ever hear of a place called Vietnam?
Well when Israel was the underdog fighting against Soviet and British supplied Arab forces who outnumbered them and outgunned them,
they won.
Thats happened several times in their history, every time the victory just gets bigger and bigger.
The Israelis have better morale (they know they only get to lose once, the Palestinians know they can lose and try again)
The Israelis have better training and discipline (relating to the above issue)
The Israelis build up their infrastructure rather than cannibalize it (ie, they don't loot their own youth centers , blow up their own power stations and fuel depots).
Israel has been on even terms, Israel has been the underdog and Israel has been on top. And thats where they are now. So "on even terms" has been done.
they won.
Thats happened several times in their history, every time the victory just gets bigger and bigger.
The Israelis have better morale (they know they only get to lose once, the Palestinians know they can lose and try again)
The Israelis have better training and discipline (relating to the above issue)
The Israelis build up their infrastructure rather than cannibalize it (ie, they don't loot their own youth centers , blow up their own power stations and fuel depots).
Israel has been on even terms, Israel has been the underdog and Israel has been on top. And thats where they are now. So "on even terms" has been done.
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May 9th, 2008, 10:41 AM
In Vietnam, poorly trained US soldiers were sent halfway around the world for a 1 year tour (6 months for officers) to fight in the jungle for a corrupt gov't in South Vietnam
In the ME, the average Israeli soldier serves for 27 years, in which he is engaged in 7 wars. He fights on his own turf, he has nowhere else to go. He fights for his home, his bretern, his country, his family......the alternative is extermination.
Israel has proven time and time and time again they are more than able to stand up to the best the Arabs can throw against them.
Quoting lone wolf
I think this whole premise is silly, biut I need some entertainment.
I really don't care about Israel's material worth. That all adds to naught when the choice comes down to run or fight. Israel has softened. She hasn't a clue how to do without. Without Uncle Sam's pocket and arsenal, she would have nothing - exactly what Palestine has now. Thing is, Palestinians have the fire in the belly that "nothing left to lose" ignites. Traing and discipline aren't effective when up against dedication. Ever hear of a place called Vietnam?
In Vietnam, poorly trained US soldiers were sent halfway around the world for a 1 year tour (6 months for officers) to fight in the jungle for a corrupt gov't in South Vietnam
In the ME, the average Israeli soldier serves for 27 years, in which he is engaged in 7 wars. He fights on his own turf, he has nowhere else to go. He fights for his home, his bretern, his country, his family......the alternative is extermination.
Israel has proven time and time and time again they are more than able to stand up to the best the Arabs can throw against them.
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May 9th, 2008, 10:53 AM
And where is their support system? Without the United States they could no possibly sustain their high tech battle - while the guys throwing rocks and hitting with sticks or home made bombs can. Wake up Colpy. See beyond your nose....
And where is their support system? Without the United States they could no possibly sustain their high tech battle - while the guys throwing rocks and hitting with sticks or home made bombs can. Wake up Colpy. See beyond your nose....
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May 9th, 2008, 10:59 AM
Quoting lone wolf
Where was their support system in 1948?
Ane where is their support system? Without the United States they could no possibly sustain their high tech battle - while the guys throwing rocks and hitting with sticks or home made bombs can. Wake up Colpy. See beyond your nose....
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May 9th, 2008, 11:33 AM
Colpy, have you ever bothered to study the culture behind the other side or do you subscribe to the Israeli principle of "I'm here. I'm right. My shyte doesn't stink. Live with it."
In 1948, they were on an equal footing - WW2 surplus equipment. Israel stood her ground then. That's all that was required of her. Ancient Persian culture made its point. Whose fault is it if she used the "win" as proof of some assumed holier than thou status? Naturally, that pissed off the neighbours.
By then, Jewry in US is heeding the "Poor me. I'm the victim. Nobody likes me. Why's everybody always picking on me?" crap and sending private donations to the Israeli cause. Money moves the madness and lobbyists move the Government - and a gazillion references to a Biblical heaven called Israel swayed the Bible boomers. Take away that US support and Israel will have to stand on her own feet. I hope they brought swim fins.
Colpy, have you ever bothered to study the culture behind the other side or do you subscribe to the Israeli principle of "I'm here. I'm right. My shyte doesn't stink. Live with it."
In 1948, they were on an equal footing - WW2 surplus equipment. Israel stood her ground then. That's all that was required of her. Ancient Persian culture made its point. Whose fault is it if she used the "win" as proof of some assumed holier than thou status? Naturally, that pissed off the neighbours.
By then, Jewry in US is heeding the "Poor me. I'm the victim. Nobody likes me. Why's everybody always picking on me?" crap and sending private donations to the Israeli cause. Money moves the madness and lobbyists move the Government - and a gazillion references to a Biblical heaven called Israel swayed the Bible boomers. Take away that US support and Israel will have to stand on her own feet. I hope they brought swim fins.
