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March 2nd, 2008, 03:15 PM
Another difference is that the Warsaw Ghetto tried the fighting thing and the Nazi's killed everyone in it, following people down into cellars as they and murdering them with Bayonet.
I also certainly never recall those in the Warsaw ghetto busting out because Nazi sanctions had made the price of chocolate bars and cigarettes triple, and being unmolested while they did so.
I mean, seriously.
Israel left Gaza, what else should it have done? All Gaza had to do was not shoot Israel. I really hope Gaza declares independance so Israel can just whipe its hand off supporting them, let them solve their own problems, and retaliate with massive force if fired upon with full international right to do so.
Another difference is that the Warsaw Ghetto tried the fighting thing and the Nazi's killed everyone in it, following people down into cellars as they and murdering them with Bayonet.
I also certainly never recall those in the Warsaw ghetto busting out because Nazi sanctions had made the price of chocolate bars and cigarettes triple, and being unmolested while they did so.
I mean, seriously.
Israel left Gaza, what else should it have done? All Gaza had to do was not shoot Israel. I really hope Gaza declares independance so Israel can just whipe its hand off supporting them, let them solve their own problems, and retaliate with massive force if fired upon with full international right to do so.
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March 2nd, 2008, 11:06 PM
``your posts smack of smug obtuse thinking ... I would still have to say the bulk of your views have an extremist slant that that lead me to believe that you truly have no wish to see the state of Israel survive, let alone its inhabitants.``
You are entitled to your opinion as well. But, at least it is ''thinking'' as you say as opposed to the baseless emotional rants that you make.
As for Israel's survival, again you are showing your continued and endless ignorance because you obviously have failed to understand my position on the one state solution - one that obviously calls for the recognition of the Zionist state and affirmation of the democratic process. It is a position that I have reported on this forum exhaustively. Therefore, it is of no further use to repeat my position as you will ignore it and make your hostile comments which have no valid basis whatsoever.
``your posts smack of smug obtuse thinking ... I would still have to say the bulk of your views have an extremist slant that that lead me to believe that you truly have no wish to see the state of Israel survive, let alone its inhabitants.``
You are entitled to your opinion as well. But, at least it is ''thinking'' as you say as opposed to the baseless emotional rants that you make.
As for Israel's survival, again you are showing your continued and endless ignorance because you obviously have failed to understand my position on the one state solution - one that obviously calls for the recognition of the Zionist state and affirmation of the democratic process. It is a position that I have reported on this forum exhaustively. Therefore, it is of no further use to repeat my position as you will ignore it and make your hostile comments which have no valid basis whatsoever.
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March 2nd, 2008, 11:32 PM
Zzarchov,
You edited your posts and re-worded them so that they no longer address the issues I raised.
As I wrote above, it is imperative that all ME countries recognize Israel and allow the democratic process to correct the injustices that have arisen over the years. There are more than enough ME members in the UN which sanctioned the birth of the Zionist state. Since they have pledged to adhere to its rules, they obligated to recognize international law and the authority of the UN. This includes the recognition of Israel. By utilizing the democratic process it would be to their advantage as I wrote above. Muslim majority rule would mean USA dollars, progress, medical care for the poor, and infrastructural development.
It is too bad that so few people want it. But it is incorrect to say that ME nations are exclusively responsible for that problem as Israelis have also condemned the prospect of a one nation solution.
Here is a blurb from a Zionist source which reveals its rejection of a bi-national or one state solution and its position is approved by Colin Powell:
http://www.lekarev.org/newsletter/newsletter.html
``US Secretary of State Colin Powell flatly rejected the idea and
said the US remains committed to a two-state solution between Israel and the
Palestinians. The concept of a bi-national state - one country made up of Jews
and Arabs - is a recipe for disaster. With the burgeoning population of the
Palestinians, can you imagine what the Knesset would look like in a few years?
It's a clever way to try to achieve what the Palestinians have not achieved
through terrorism - the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state. ``
Thus, it confirms that neither side wants to accept the ideal solution that is available to them.
Zzarchov,
You edited your posts and re-worded them so that they no longer address the issues I raised.
As I wrote above, it is imperative that all ME countries recognize Israel and allow the democratic process to correct the injustices that have arisen over the years. There are more than enough ME members in the UN which sanctioned the birth of the Zionist state. Since they have pledged to adhere to its rules, they obligated to recognize international law and the authority of the UN. This includes the recognition of Israel. By utilizing the democratic process it would be to their advantage as I wrote above. Muslim majority rule would mean USA dollars, progress, medical care for the poor, and infrastructural development.
It is too bad that so few people want it. But it is incorrect to say that ME nations are exclusively responsible for that problem as Israelis have also condemned the prospect of a one nation solution.
Here is a blurb from a Zionist source which reveals its rejection of a bi-national or one state solution and its position is approved by Colin Powell:
http://www.lekarev.org/newsletter/newsletter.html
``US Secretary of State Colin Powell flatly rejected the idea and
said the US remains committed to a two-state solution between Israel and the
Palestinians. The concept of a bi-national state - one country made up of Jews
and Arabs - is a recipe for disaster. With the burgeoning population of the
Palestinians, can you imagine what the Knesset would look like in a few years?
It's a clever way to try to achieve what the Palestinians have not achieved
through terrorism - the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state. ``
Thus, it confirms that neither side wants to accept the ideal solution that is available to them.
Member
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March 5th, 2008, 06:45 AM
Just facts-- GAZA Ghettohas Palestinians -that is the only difference ---Warsaw Ghetto--isolated and guarded area reserved for Jews and other enemies of the state. Life in a Jewish ghetto was hellish, with severe restrictions on food, medicine and other basic essentials. Suicides were a common Jewish leaders attempted to maintain their own government within the walls of the ghetto, but the Nazi embargo on essential supplies created nearly unbearable conditions. ISRAE liked the Idea and use it.
Just facts-- GAZA Ghettohas Palestinians -that is the only difference ---Warsaw Ghetto--isolated and guarded area reserved for Jews and other enemies of the state. Life in a Jewish ghetto was hellish, with severe restrictions on food, medicine and other basic essentials. Suicides were a common Jewish leaders attempted to maintain their own government within the walls of the ghetto, but the Nazi embargo on essential supplies created nearly unbearable conditions. ISRAE liked the Idea and use it.
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March 5th, 2008, 06:57 AM
During the last 24 hours, another 39 Palestinians were killed throughout the Gaza Strip. Twenty-two of them were unarmed civilians, including nine children. Six of the victims were from one family, including three women and three men who were killed in an air strike in Gaza City. The death toll since 27 February currently stands at 101 victims, including 49 unarmed civilians. The civilians who have been killed include 25 children and five women. In addition, more than 250 other people have been injured, mostly unarmed civilians. IOF have also destroyed houses and property across the Gaza Strip. The Ashkenazi are just DEFENDING themselves. Time for celebration in Israel and all over the world. Once again Israel defended itself.
During the last 24 hours, another 39 Palestinians were killed throughout the Gaza Strip. Twenty-two of them were unarmed civilians, including nine children. Six of the victims were from one family, including three women and three men who were killed in an air strike in Gaza City. The death toll since 27 February currently stands at 101 victims, including 49 unarmed civilians. The civilians who have been killed include 25 children and five women. In addition, more than 250 other people have been injured, mostly unarmed civilians. IOF have also destroyed houses and property across the Gaza Strip. The Ashkenazi are just DEFENDING themselves. Time for celebration in Israel and all over the world. Once again Israel defended itself.
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March 5th, 2008, 08:52 AM
The Jews of Israel have had a bit of a problem with your " ideal solution", for the simple reason that it would inevitably become very similar to the "final solution" they faced in Europe 70 years ago.
Really, sometimes you fail to deal with reality. Hatred between Palestinians and Jews will last generations, if not centuries..........a combined state is a recipe for murder............the Jews of Israel treat the Arab population of Israel proper reasonably well (not as well as they should, but not horribly either)..........but they are acting with the best principles and institutions of western civilization providing a brake on their worst intentions....let the people of Hamas have power throughout the region, with Jews as a minority........Bye Bye Jews.
Ethnic hatred lasts CENTURIES. Ever hear of the Balkans?
Quoting gopher
You are quite correct. Zzarchov,
You edited your posts and re-worded them so that they no longer address the issues I raised.
As I wrote above, it is imperative that all ME countries recognize Israel and allow the democratic process to correct the injustices that have arisen over the years. There are more than enough ME members in the UN which sanctioned the birth of the Zionist state. Since they have pledged to adhere to its rules, they obligated to recognize international law and the authority of the UN. This includes the recognition of Israel. By utilizing the democratic process it would be to their advantage as I wrote above. Muslim majority rule would mean USA dollars, progress, medical care for the poor, and infrastructural development.
It is too bad that so few people want it. But it is incorrect to say that ME nations are exclusively responsible for that problem as Israelis have also condemned the prospect of a one nation solution.
Here is a blurb from a Zionist source which reveals its rejection of a bi-national or one state solution and its position is approved by Colin Powell:
http://www.lekarev.org/newsletter/newsletter.html
``US Secretary of State Colin Powell flatly rejected the idea and
said the US remains committed to a two-state solution between Israel and the
Palestinians. The concept of a bi-national state - one country made up of Jews
and Arabs - is a recipe for disaster. With the burgeoning population of the
Palestinians, can you imagine what the Knesset would look like in a few years?
It's a clever way to try to achieve what the Palestinians have not achieved
through terrorism - the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state. ``
Thus, it confirms that neither side wants to accept the ideal solution that is available to them.
You edited your posts and re-worded them so that they no longer address the issues I raised.
As I wrote above, it is imperative that all ME countries recognize Israel and allow the democratic process to correct the injustices that have arisen over the years. There are more than enough ME members in the UN which sanctioned the birth of the Zionist state. Since they have pledged to adhere to its rules, they obligated to recognize international law and the authority of the UN. This includes the recognition of Israel. By utilizing the democratic process it would be to their advantage as I wrote above. Muslim majority rule would mean USA dollars, progress, medical care for the poor, and infrastructural development.
It is too bad that so few people want it. But it is incorrect to say that ME nations are exclusively responsible for that problem as Israelis have also condemned the prospect of a one nation solution.
Here is a blurb from a Zionist source which reveals its rejection of a bi-national or one state solution and its position is approved by Colin Powell:
http://www.lekarev.org/newsletter/newsletter.html
``US Secretary of State Colin Powell flatly rejected the idea and
said the US remains committed to a two-state solution between Israel and the
Palestinians. The concept of a bi-national state - one country made up of Jews
and Arabs - is a recipe for disaster. With the burgeoning population of the
Palestinians, can you imagine what the Knesset would look like in a few years?
It's a clever way to try to achieve what the Palestinians have not achieved
through terrorism - the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state. ``
Thus, it confirms that neither side wants to accept the ideal solution that is available to them.
The Jews of Israel have had a bit of a problem with your " ideal solution", for the simple reason that it would inevitably become very similar to the "final solution" they faced in Europe 70 years ago.
Really, sometimes you fail to deal with reality. Hatred between Palestinians and Jews will last generations, if not centuries..........a combined state is a recipe for murder............the Jews of Israel treat the Arab population of Israel proper reasonably well (not as well as they should, but not horribly either)..........but they are acting with the best principles and institutions of western civilization providing a brake on their worst intentions....let the people of Hamas have power throughout the region, with Jews as a minority........Bye Bye Jews.
Ethnic hatred lasts CENTURIES. Ever hear of the Balkans?
Super Genius
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March 5th, 2008, 01:06 PM
The Jews were in minority for a thousand years,until 1917, about 5 to 10 % of the whole population of palestine, were they exterminated?
NOPE.
Quoting Colpy
You are quite correct.
The Jews of Israel have had a bit of a problem with your " ideal solution", for the simple reason that it would inevitably become very similar to the "final solution" they faced in Europe 70 years ago.
Really, sometimes you fail to deal with reality. Hatred between Palestinians and Jews will last generations, if not centuries..........a combined state is a recipe for murder............the Jews of Israel treat the Arab population of Israel proper reasonably well (not as well as they should, but not horribly either)..........but they are acting with the best principles and institutions of western civilization providing a brake on their worst intentions....let the people of Hamas have power throughout the region, with Jews as a minority........Bye Bye Jews.
Ethnic hatred lasts CENTURIES. Ever hear of the Balkans?
The Jews of Israel have had a bit of a problem with your " ideal solution", for the simple reason that it would inevitably become very similar to the "final solution" they faced in Europe 70 years ago.
Really, sometimes you fail to deal with reality. Hatred between Palestinians and Jews will last generations, if not centuries..........a combined state is a recipe for murder............the Jews of Israel treat the Arab population of Israel proper reasonably well (not as well as they should, but not horribly either)..........but they are acting with the best principles and institutions of western civilization providing a brake on their worst intentions....let the people of Hamas have power throughout the region, with Jews as a minority........Bye Bye Jews.
Ethnic hatred lasts CENTURIES. Ever hear of the Balkans?
The Jews were in minority for a thousand years,until 1917, about 5 to 10 % of the whole population of palestine, were they exterminated?
NOPE.
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March 5th, 2008, 01:15 PM
Hi.
I thought I detected a gaseous anomaly in the intellectual spectrum of CC>
No, Dear, they were not.
That was then, this is now. As well, their survival was NOT due to any lack of effort on the part of SOME (a tiny minority) of the Arab population.....
Quoting Logic 7
Ah LOgic!
The Jews were in minority for a thousand years,until 1917, about 5 to 10 % of the whole population of palestine, were they exterminated?
NOPE.
NOPE.
Hi.
I thought I detected a gaseous anomaly in the intellectual spectrum of CC>
No, Dear, they were not.
That was then, this is now. As well, their survival was NOT due to any lack of effort on the part of SOME (a tiny minority) of the Arab population.....
Super Genius
Posts: 1,323
March 5th, 2008, 01:40 PM
Palestinians and jews were living in harmony during that time, the problem started when zionist all over europe decided to make palestine/israel their home.
Knowing israelis fascist side, which is by the way, (according to Albert Einstein and Hannah arendt)inspired by the nazi regime, if palestinians were in minority like the jews were during that 1000 years, there would be no more palestinians today, just look what they have done in 60 years.
Elon More, Ariel, elkana, shilo, beit horon, maale adumim
Tkoa, efrata are israeli settlements
Give them another 20 years or so, there will be no more palestine.
Quoting Colpy
Ah LOgic!
Hi.
I thought I detected a gaseous anomaly in the intellectual spectrum of CC>
No, Dear, they were not.
That was then, this is now. As well, their survival was NOT due to any lack of effort on the part of SOME (a tiny minority) of the Arab population.....
Hi.
I thought I detected a gaseous anomaly in the intellectual spectrum of CC>
No, Dear, they were not.
That was then, this is now. As well, their survival was NOT due to any lack of effort on the part of SOME (a tiny minority) of the Arab population.....
Palestinians and jews were living in harmony during that time, the problem started when zionist all over europe decided to make palestine/israel their home.
Knowing israelis fascist side, which is by the way, (according to Albert Einstein and Hannah arendt)inspired by the nazi regime, if palestinians were in minority like the jews were during that 1000 years, there would be no more palestinians today, just look what they have done in 60 years.
Elon More, Ariel, elkana, shilo, beit horon, maale adumim
Tkoa, efrata are israeli settlements
Give them another 20 years or so, there will be no more palestine.
Knows No Bounds
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March 5th, 2008, 07:16 PM
1.) I don't edit my posts for anything but typos and confusing grammatical errors (or to add further information without double posting).
2.) Democracy is not a UN mandate nor is it present in the Middle East outside of Iraq (by force) and Israel (which is often disputed). Even in a democracy Israel would be within it rights to subjugate the Muslim minority religion (which it doesn't). Even in Muslim democracies, lesser religions are supressed (its part of the religion).
3.) There were Jewish people in Israel before Immigration under the British (though fewer).
4.) By the same token, there were far fewer Muslims (or people in general) in the same region before massive Arab immigration (within living memory of the foundation of Israel)
5.) Ignoring the Jewish population, The Druze and Christian in Israel also deserve a voice and minority protection and are some of the most ardent supporters of the (comparatively) pluralist Israel over the repression they face elsewhere.
6.) In that Picture I see a massive Egypt having lost a tiny piece (which It doesn't want back) , A massive Jordan having lost a small piece (it doesn't want back, but wouldn't turn away) and Syria (an aggressive state with its own Imperial Aspirations and occupied territories still going on) having lost a small part it desperately wants back for purely military reasons.
Not really looking like that much is done.
I would really like to see some of you people go to Israel and see it first hand.
1.) I don't edit my posts for anything but typos and confusing grammatical errors (or to add further information without double posting).
2.) Democracy is not a UN mandate nor is it present in the Middle East outside of Iraq (by force) and Israel (which is often disputed). Even in a democracy Israel would be within it rights to subjugate the Muslim minority religion (which it doesn't). Even in Muslim democracies, lesser religions are supressed (its part of the religion).
3.) There were Jewish people in Israel before Immigration under the British (though fewer).
4.) By the same token, there were far fewer Muslims (or people in general) in the same region before massive Arab immigration (within living memory of the foundation of Israel)
5.) Ignoring the Jewish population, The Druze and Christian in Israel also deserve a voice and minority protection and are some of the most ardent supporters of the (comparatively) pluralist Israel over the repression they face elsewhere.
6.) In that Picture I see a massive Egypt having lost a tiny piece (which It doesn't want back) , A massive Jordan having lost a small piece (it doesn't want back, but wouldn't turn away) and Syria (an aggressive state with its own Imperial Aspirations and occupied territories still going on) having lost a small part it desperately wants back for purely military reasons.
Not really looking like that much is done.
I would really like to see some of you people go to Israel and see it first hand.
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March 5th, 2008, 07:49 PM
Isreals big problem is the loss of its citizens who leave every year faster than they can be replaced. It's because of the constant warfare and a future of promised constant warfare as it removes every possible threat by conducting preemptive assaults and assinations which it has done since 47 or so. Isreals neurotic insecurity will be its downfall as is evident when an entire nation has pre traumatic stress disorder which compells it to strike first and lie later. It will never be without enemys, it cannot exist without enemys.
Isreals big problem is the loss of its citizens who leave every year faster than they can be replaced. It's because of the constant warfare and a future of promised constant warfare as it removes every possible threat by conducting preemptive assaults and assinations which it has done since 47 or so. Isreals neurotic insecurity will be its downfall as is evident when an entire nation has pre traumatic stress disorder which compells it to strike first and lie later. It will never be without enemys, it cannot exist without enemys.
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March 5th, 2008, 10:35 PM
``You are quite correct.
The Jews of Israel have had a bit of a problem with your " ideal solution", for the simple reason that it would inevitably become very similar to the "final solution" they faced in Europe 70 years ago.``
I find that reply to be very disappointing. In fact, this is the first time I ever saw anyone make such a lame attempt at equating Hitler with democracy.
The one state solution involves the application of democratic principles which is supposedly what you and other right wingers have been calling for all along. So why is democracy so inconvenient {for you} all of a sudden??
``You are quite correct.
The Jews of Israel have had a bit of a problem with your " ideal solution", for the simple reason that it would inevitably become very similar to the "final solution" they faced in Europe 70 years ago.``
I find that reply to be very disappointing. In fact, this is the first time I ever saw anyone make such a lame attempt at equating Hitler with democracy.
The one state solution involves the application of democratic principles which is supposedly what you and other right wingers have been calling for all along. So why is democracy so inconvenient {for you} all of a sudden??
Knows No Bounds
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March 6th, 2008, 08:00 AM
If you want Democracy Gopher, then you got it. All of Israel gets a vote.
The occupied territories are bits of Jordan and Egypt that no one wants and Israel is stuck with.
They can't really be self sufficient on their own, and their parent countries won't take them, so what can you do with them?
Gaza is complaining about apalling conditions when its getting a vast majority of its power and water supplied by Israel for free.
What on earth would it do to support itself if it were solo? IF it has a plan it should declare independance, Im sure Israel would recognize an independant Gaza, but in International law, it can't just declare Gaza to be independant (though maybe it should try)
If you want Democracy Gopher, then you got it. All of Israel gets a vote.
The occupied territories are bits of Jordan and Egypt that no one wants and Israel is stuck with.
They can't really be self sufficient on their own, and their parent countries won't take them, so what can you do with them?
Gaza is complaining about apalling conditions when its getting a vast majority of its power and water supplied by Israel for free.
What on earth would it do to support itself if it were solo? IF it has a plan it should declare independance, Im sure Israel would recognize an independant Gaza, but in International law, it can't just declare Gaza to be independant (though maybe it should try)
Knows Too Much
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March 6th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Seriously, comparing the Warsaw Ghetto with Gaza is just stupid.
Quoting einmensch
Yeah the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto used to knock down the wall on go on shopping sprees in Katowice all the time.
Just facts-- GAZA Ghettohas Palestinians -that is the only difference ---Warsaw Ghetto--isolated and guarded area reserved for Jews and other enemies of the state. Life in a Jewish ghetto was hellish, with severe restrictions on food, medicine and other basic essentials. Suicides were a common Jewish leaders attempted to maintain their own government within the walls of the ghetto, but the Nazi embargo on essential supplies created nearly unbearable conditions. ISRAE liked the Idea and use it.
Seriously, comparing the Warsaw Ghetto with Gaza is just stupid.
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March 6th, 2008, 07:38 PM
Just the Facts-You don't have any facts. Tell us why the comparison is stupid. I think it is a valid comparison. The Gazans were able to get into Egypt and buy basic items for a few days. They did not breach Israel's border4 so basically it was non of Israel's business but pressure fom big buddy Bush and the GHETTO was closed. Israel has deprived Gazans of water, electricity, the ability to export or import, failure to recognize Hamas a legally elected government, murder at will, 50% of the recent 120 deaths in Gaza were children, women and just ordinary citizens, Israeli settlers are not punished for killing a Palestinian regardless of age and on it goes----Let's have Just the Facts
Just the Facts-You don't have any facts. Tell us why the comparison is stupid. I think it is a valid comparison. The Gazans were able to get into Egypt and buy basic items for a few days. They did not breach Israel's border4 so basically it was non of Israel's business but pressure fom big buddy Bush and the GHETTO was closed. Israel has deprived Gazans of water, electricity, the ability to export or import, failure to recognize Hamas a legally elected government, murder at will, 50% of the recent 120 deaths in Gaza were children, women and just ordinary citizens, Israeli settlers are not punished for killing a Palestinian regardless of age and on it goes----Let's have Just the Facts
Knows No Bounds
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March 6th, 2008, 07:58 PM
When Hamas (the legally elected government) fires a rocket at an Israeli town, who do you think they are trying to hit?
Having a battle in a populated area is the fault of the defender, it is his job not to keep military assets (valid targets) next to civilians (aka human shielding). That is the rule of war, by failing to follow it and chastise and punish Hamas, we are encouraging the practice not only in Gaza but elsewhere.
Killing African civilians by encouraging the use of human shields is not justified by a dislike or even hatred of Israel.
Where are you facts that Israeli settlers are not punished for murder. I would love to have it. Lets just have the facts?
Quoting einmensch
I can help
Just the Facts-You don't have any facts. Tell us why the comparison is stupid.
Quoting einmensch
That is the first reason its not the same. People in the Nazi ghettos did not get out and did not get basic supplies. This applies to Jewish Ghettos and Ghettos of other nationalities as well. Its nice of you to insult not only those Jewish who suffered but the Roma and other minorities who have nothing to do with Israel as well. There was no Chocolate in Nazi Ghettos, even at "three times the normal price".
I think it is a valid comparison. The Gazans were able to get into Egypt and buy basic items for a few days.
Quoting einmensch
Im not sure what you are saying here, could you clarify?
They did not breach Israel's border4 so basically it was non of Israel's business but pressure fom big buddy Bush and the GHETTO was closed.
Quoting einmensch
By "deprived" you mean supply the vast majority of, for free, despite the fact that Hamas keeps cutting the lines so that Israeli civilian workers have to come within sniper range to fix it..just so Gazans can have free power.
Israel has deprived Gazans of water, electricity, the ability to export or import,
Quoting einmensch
So then you believe Israel is a Ghetto and Gaza should be punished for failing to recognize the government of Israel , which is legally elected?
failure to recognize Hamas a legally elected government,
Quoting einmensch
And 100% of the Israeli deaths were children and civilians, including the 8 in a school killed by gunfire intentionally and with no room to even claim accidental deaths in the crossfire.
50% of the recent 120 deaths in Gaza were children, women and just ordinary citizens,
When Hamas (the legally elected government) fires a rocket at an Israeli town, who do you think they are trying to hit?
Having a battle in a populated area is the fault of the defender, it is his job not to keep military assets (valid targets) next to civilians (aka human shielding). That is the rule of war, by failing to follow it and chastise and punish Hamas, we are encouraging the practice not only in Gaza but elsewhere.
Killing African civilians by encouraging the use of human shields is not justified by a dislike or even hatred of Israel.
Quoting einmensch
You are right, lets have just the facts.
Israeli settlers are not punished for killing a Palestinian regardless of age and on it goes----Let's have Just the Facts
Where are you facts that Israeli settlers are not punished for murder. I would love to have it. Lets just have the facts?
