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April 10th, 2008, 08:08 PM
Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president. Then an American Zionist brought him two million dollars in cash, in a suitcase, aboard his whistle-stop campaign train. 'That's why our recognition of Israel was rushed through so fast.' As neither Jack nor I was an antisemite (unlike his father and my grandfather) we took this to be just another funny story about Truman and the serene corruption of American politics.
Unfortunately, the hurried recognition of Israel as a state has resulted in forty-five years of murderous confusion, and the destruction of what Zionist fellow travellers thought would be a pluralistic state - home to its native population of Muslims, Christians and Jews, as well as a future home to peaceful European and American Jewish immigrants, even the ones who affected to believe that the great realtor in the sky had given them, in perpetuity, the lands of Judea and Sameria. Since many of the immigrants were good socialists in Europe, we assumed that they would not allow the new state to become a theocracy, and that the native Palestinians could live with them as equals. This was not meant to be. I shall not rehearse the wars and alarms of that unhappy region. But I will say that the hasty invention of Israel has poisoned the political and intellectual life of the USA, Israel's unlikely patron.
Unlikely, because no other minority in American history has ever hijacked so much money from the American taxpayers in order to invest in a 'homeland'. It is as if the American taxpayer had been obliged to support the Pope in his reconquest of the Papal States simply because one third of our people are Roman Catholic. Had this been attempted, there would have been a great uproar and Congress would have said no. But a religious minority of less than two per cent has bought or intimidated seventy senators (the necessary two thirds to overcome an unlikely presidential veto) while enjoying support of the media.
In a sense, I rather admire the way that the Israel lobby has gone about its business of seeing that billions of dollars, year after year, go to make Israel a 'bulwark against communism'. Actually, neither the USSR nor communism was ever much of a presence in the region. What America did manage to do was to turn the once friendly Arab world against us. Meanwhile, the misinformation about what is going on in the Middle East has got even greater and the principal victim of these gaudy lies - the American taxpayer to one side - is American Jewry, as it is constantly bullied by such professional terrorists as Begin and Shamir. Worse, with a few honorable exceptions, Jewish-American intellectuals abandoned liberalism for a series of demented alliances with the Christian (antisemtic) right and with the Pentagon-industrial complex. In 1985 one of them blithely wrote that when Jews arrived on the American scene they 'found liberal opinion and liberal politicians more congenial in their attitudes, more sensitive to Jewish concerns' but now it is in the Jewish interest to ally with the Protestant fundamentalists because, after all, "is there any point in Jews hanging on dogmatically, hypocritically, to their opinions of yesteryear?' At this point the American left split and those of us who criticised our onetime Jewish allies for misguided opportunism, were promptly rewarded with the ritual epithet 'antisemite' or 'self-hating Jew'.
Fortunately, the voice of reason is alive and well, and in Israel, of all places. From Jerusalem, Israel Shahak never ceases to analyse not only the dismal politics of Israel today but the Talmud itself, and the effect of the entire rabbinical tradition on a small state that the right-wing rabbinate means to turn into a theocracy for Jews only. I have been reading Shahak for years. He has a satirist's eye for the confusions to be found in any religion that tries to rationalise the irrational. He has a scholar's sharp eye for textual contradictions. He is a joy to read on the great Gentile-hating Dr Maimonides.
Needless to say, Israel's authorities deplore Shahak. But there is not much to be done with a retired professor of chemistry who was born in Warsaw in 1933 and spent his childhood in the concetration camp at Belsen. In 1945, he came to Israel; served in the Israeli military; did not become a Marxist in the years when it was fashionable. He was - and still is -a humanist who detests imperialism whether in the names of the God of Abraham or of George Bush. Equally, he opposes with great wit and learning the totalitarian strain in Judaism. Like a highly learned Thomas Paine, Shahank illustrates the prospect before us, as well as the long history behind us, and thus he continues to reason, year after year. Those who heed him will certainly be wiser and - dare I say? - better. He is the latest, if not the last, of the great prophets.
Quoting Colpy
First of all, it is NOT a tyranny, but a western-style democracy, the only one in the Middle East, which is why the USA defends it.
Secondly, Jews make up only 1.7 percent of the US population. There is no "powerful American Jewish lobby group. There is a element of strong support for Israel in the Christian right, but that is hardly Jewish.
Third, Jews in the USA are divided over Israel, Jews are usually quite Liberal Democrats. Hardly a strong "lobby" for Zionism.
Secondly, Jews make up only 1.7 percent of the US population. There is no "powerful American Jewish lobby group. There is a element of strong support for Israel in the Christian right, but that is hardly Jewish.
Third, Jews in the USA are divided over Israel, Jews are usually quite Liberal Democrats. Hardly a strong "lobby" for Zionism.
Foreword by Gore Vidal
Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president. Then an American Zionist brought him two million dollars in cash, in a suitcase, aboard his whistle-stop campaign train. 'That's why our recognition of Israel was rushed through so fast.' As neither Jack nor I was an antisemite (unlike his father and my grandfather) we took this to be just another funny story about Truman and the serene corruption of American politics.
Unfortunately, the hurried recognition of Israel as a state has resulted in forty-five years of murderous confusion, and the destruction of what Zionist fellow travellers thought would be a pluralistic state - home to its native population of Muslims, Christians and Jews, as well as a future home to peaceful European and American Jewish immigrants, even the ones who affected to believe that the great realtor in the sky had given them, in perpetuity, the lands of Judea and Sameria. Since many of the immigrants were good socialists in Europe, we assumed that they would not allow the new state to become a theocracy, and that the native Palestinians could live with them as equals. This was not meant to be. I shall not rehearse the wars and alarms of that unhappy region. But I will say that the hasty invention of Israel has poisoned the political and intellectual life of the USA, Israel's unlikely patron.
Unlikely, because no other minority in American history has ever hijacked so much money from the American taxpayers in order to invest in a 'homeland'. It is as if the American taxpayer had been obliged to support the Pope in his reconquest of the Papal States simply because one third of our people are Roman Catholic. Had this been attempted, there would have been a great uproar and Congress would have said no. But a religious minority of less than two per cent has bought or intimidated seventy senators (the necessary two thirds to overcome an unlikely presidential veto) while enjoying support of the media.
In a sense, I rather admire the way that the Israel lobby has gone about its business of seeing that billions of dollars, year after year, go to make Israel a 'bulwark against communism'. Actually, neither the USSR nor communism was ever much of a presence in the region. What America did manage to do was to turn the once friendly Arab world against us. Meanwhile, the misinformation about what is going on in the Middle East has got even greater and the principal victim of these gaudy lies - the American taxpayer to one side - is American Jewry, as it is constantly bullied by such professional terrorists as Begin and Shamir. Worse, with a few honorable exceptions, Jewish-American intellectuals abandoned liberalism for a series of demented alliances with the Christian (antisemtic) right and with the Pentagon-industrial complex. In 1985 one of them blithely wrote that when Jews arrived on the American scene they 'found liberal opinion and liberal politicians more congenial in their attitudes, more sensitive to Jewish concerns' but now it is in the Jewish interest to ally with the Protestant fundamentalists because, after all, "is there any point in Jews hanging on dogmatically, hypocritically, to their opinions of yesteryear?' At this point the American left split and those of us who criticised our onetime Jewish allies for misguided opportunism, were promptly rewarded with the ritual epithet 'antisemite' or 'self-hating Jew'.
Fortunately, the voice of reason is alive and well, and in Israel, of all places. From Jerusalem, Israel Shahak never ceases to analyse not only the dismal politics of Israel today but the Talmud itself, and the effect of the entire rabbinical tradition on a small state that the right-wing rabbinate means to turn into a theocracy for Jews only. I have been reading Shahak for years. He has a satirist's eye for the confusions to be found in any religion that tries to rationalise the irrational. He has a scholar's sharp eye for textual contradictions. He is a joy to read on the great Gentile-hating Dr Maimonides.
Needless to say, Israel's authorities deplore Shahak. But there is not much to be done with a retired professor of chemistry who was born in Warsaw in 1933 and spent his childhood in the concetration camp at Belsen. In 1945, he came to Israel; served in the Israeli military; did not become a Marxist in the years when it was fashionable. He was - and still is -a humanist who detests imperialism whether in the names of the God of Abraham or of George Bush. Equally, he opposes with great wit and learning the totalitarian strain in Judaism. Like a highly learned Thomas Paine, Shahank illustrates the prospect before us, as well as the long history behind us, and thus he continues to reason, year after year. Those who heed him will certainly be wiser and - dare I say? - better. He is the latest, if not the last, of the great prophets.
--Gore Vidal
http://www.ety.com/HRP/racehate/shahakfw.htm 
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April 10th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Quoting jimmoyer
Who wants to annihilate Isreal Jim? Who started such a horrible story? Who could such a thought possibly help and what force does it serve? Maybe fighting the Jew is an industry but saving the Jew is stronger, no ?
At this point, the annihlation of Israel will do very little to alleviate life in Palestine.
Fighting the Jew is an industry.
You think that attitude stops when the object of their hate suddenly disappears ?
What will they do ?
Where have they moved my cheese ?
Fighting the Jew is an industry.
You think that attitude stops when the object of their hate suddenly disappears ?
What will they do ?
Where have they moved my cheese ?
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April 10th, 2008, 09:28 PM
Here is another minority, trying to exert its rights to dignity.
Germany's Roma protest eBay over football 'Nazi slur'
Published: 10 Apr 08 17:21 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/11227/
Germany's Central Council of Sinti and Roma on Thursday demanded internet auction site eBay ban the sale of football paraphernalia printed with "Nazi propaganda" insulting the minority.
"Of late eBay has offered items, in particular scarves, bearing the slogan 'Zick Zack Zigeunerpack'," the chairman of the council, Romani Rose, said in a statement.
The expression dates from the Nazi era and refers to Roma as "Gypsy scum."
It is one of several slurs chanted by far-right fans that often cause outrage at football matches in Germany.
"Even if this slur is partly aimed against supporters of certain football clubs it is a massive insult to Roma and Sinti."
He said the council was taking legal action against the manufacturers of the material, which was offered on sale in Germany and Austria.
About half a million Roma were killed in the Holocaust.
A spokesman for the council, Arnold Rossderf, said it wanted to make sure that "young people who are not necessarily informed about the past realize that it is wrong and insulting to use such expressions."
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I can remember that right after the war on several occasions the gypsy wagons came into our village to beg. Once, a gypsy lady read my mother's hand, and predicted she would live to the ripe old age of 96 years. My mother made it to 94!!! Pretty good, eh??
Here is another minority, trying to exert its rights to dignity.
Germany's Roma protest eBay over football 'Nazi slur'
Published: 10 Apr 08 17:21 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/11227/
Germany's Central Council of Sinti and Roma on Thursday demanded internet auction site eBay ban the sale of football paraphernalia printed with "Nazi propaganda" insulting the minority.
"Of late eBay has offered items, in particular scarves, bearing the slogan 'Zick Zack Zigeunerpack'," the chairman of the council, Romani Rose, said in a statement.
The expression dates from the Nazi era and refers to Roma as "Gypsy scum."
It is one of several slurs chanted by far-right fans that often cause outrage at football matches in Germany.
"Even if this slur is partly aimed against supporters of certain football clubs it is a massive insult to Roma and Sinti."
He said the council was taking legal action against the manufacturers of the material, which was offered on sale in Germany and Austria.
About half a million Roma were killed in the Holocaust.
A spokesman for the council, Arnold Rossderf, said it wanted to make sure that "young people who are not necessarily informed about the past realize that it is wrong and insulting to use such expressions."
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I can remember that right after the war on several occasions the gypsy wagons came into our village to beg. Once, a gypsy lady read my mother's hand, and predicted she would live to the ripe old age of 96 years. My mother made it to 94!!! Pretty good, eh??
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April 10th, 2008, 09:39 PM
Keep giving us German press DL it's very good to get the perspective of others, thanks.
Keep giving us German press DL it's very good to get the perspective of others, thanks.
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April 10th, 2008, 10:03 PM
Quoting gopher
He won't answer you Gopher, he's full of organic fertilizer.
" THEY ARE BETTER OFF IN ISRAEL THAN IN ANY OF IT'S ARAB NEIGHBOURS."
You still haven't answered my question: who are you accusing of being a holocaust denier in this forum??
You still haven't answered my question: who are you accusing of being a holocaust denier in this forum??
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April 11th, 2008, 12:10 AM
dancing-loon
Who is full of organic fertilizer?
Quoting darkbeaver
einmensh for one and for sure....
He won't answer you Gopher, he's full of organic fertilizer.
dancing-loon
Who is full of organic fertilizer?
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April 11th, 2008, 12:25 AM
I suppose at some point the palestinians will have their independence and their own state, and that will be good for them, but after that, when they continue firing rockets
into israel and doing suicide bombings, (actually homocide bombings), what will their
excuse be then, because they will, as, they don't want israel there under 'any' circumstances, and it has always been that way.
I suppose at some point the palestinians will have their independence and their own state, and that will be good for them, but after that, when they continue firing rockets
into israel and doing suicide bombings, (actually homocide bombings), what will their
excuse be then, because they will, as, they don't want israel there under 'any' circumstances, and it has always been that way.
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April 11th, 2008, 07:28 AM
I suppose at some point the palestinians will have their independence and their own state, and that will be good for them, but after that, when they continue firing rockets
into israel and doing suicide bombings, (actually homocide bombings), what will their
excuse be then ???
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Good question.
I suppose at some point the palestinians will have their independence and their own state, and that will be good for them, but after that, when they continue firing rockets
into israel and doing suicide bombings, (actually homocide bombings), what will their
excuse be then ???
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Good question.
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April 11th, 2008, 08:33 AM
Quoting talloola
I'll provide you some links to the origins of a least some of those "suicide bombings" and "rocket attacks" if you'd like.
I suppose at some point the palestinians will have their independence and their own state, and that will be good for them, but after that, when they continue firing rockets
into israel and doing suicide bombings, (actually homocide bombings), what will their
excuse be then, because they will, as, they don't want israel there under 'any' circumstances, and it has always been that way.
into israel and doing suicide bombings, (actually homocide bombings), what will their
excuse be then, because they will, as, they don't want israel there under 'any' circumstances, and it has always been that way.
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April 11th, 2008, 08:38 AM
I suppose at some point the palestinians will have their independence and their own state, and that will be good for them, but after that, when they continue firing rockets
into israel and doing suicide bombings, (actually homocide bombings), what will their
excuse be then ???
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That's a good question.
Providing the links to the origins of suicide bombers doesn't answer that question.
Will they stop ?
Ever been so right about something but still have to stop your behavior such as anger or yelling --- even though you were right ?
I suppose at some point the palestinians will have their independence and their own state, and that will be good for them, but after that, when they continue firing rockets
into israel and doing suicide bombings, (actually homocide bombings), what will their
excuse be then ???
----------------------------------------------talloola------------------------------------------------
That's a good question.
Providing the links to the origins of suicide bombers doesn't answer that question.
Will they stop ?
Ever been so right about something but still have to stop your behavior such as anger or yelling --- even though you were right ?
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April 11th, 2008, 08:54 AM
Quoting jimmoyer
The question presupposes the guilt of one party in a two party conflict. It (the question) assumes no similar obligation be followed by the larger waring party. It does not ask if Isreal will stop the theft of Palistinian land nor does it ask if the Arab Isrealis will be afforded equality under Isreali law. So any attempt to answer the question is fraught with problems of inadequate factual information. You can be right and still loose you can also be wrong and win. The Zionist is niether right nor winning, the consequent outcome of the course of Zionist rascism will lead to Isreali self defeat, that is the greatest danger to the Isreali state, the bain of all exclusive religious states a well understood national maxim transgressed by the Zionist state of Isreal., hence the western division between church and state. IMSO
I suppose at some point the palestinians will have their independence and their own state, and that will be good for them, but after that, when they continue firing rockets
into israel and doing suicide bombings, (actually homocide bombings), what will their
excuse be then ???
----------------------------------------------talloola------------------------------------------------
That's a good question.
Providing the links to the origins of suicide bombers doesn't answer that question.
Will they stop ?
Ever been so right about something but still have to stop your behavior such as anger or yelling --- even though you were right ?
into israel and doing suicide bombings, (actually homocide bombings), what will their
excuse be then ???
----------------------------------------------talloola------------------------------------------------
That's a good question.
Providing the links to the origins of suicide bombers doesn't answer that question.
Will they stop ?
Ever been so right about something but still have to stop your behavior such as anger or yelling --- even though you were right ?
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April 11th, 2008, 09:21 AM
You're right Darkbeaver. Good questions.
Then what?
At what point does either side desist in its bad behavior ?
On top of that you have the errant fly in the ointment, those who are dedicated to keep the conflict going on both sides.
You're right Darkbeaver. Good questions.
Then what?
At what point does either side desist in its bad behavior ?
On top of that you have the errant fly in the ointment, those who are dedicated to keep the conflict going on both sides.
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April 11th, 2008, 09:50 AM
First Israel's use of chemical and biological weapons against soldiers and civilians:
This research document details Israel's development and use of CW and BW agents.
http://www.cns.miis.edu/pubs/npr/vol08/83/83cohen.pdf
I can't quote it, because its copy protected. But it a fairly complete document of Israel's CW and BW programs as well as Israels use of these agents. For example on page 5, it describes a suspicious typhoid and dysentry outbreak in Acre as well as Egypt capturing 4 Israelis caught as they were trying to contaminate wells in Gaza with typhoid and dysentry around the same time. Other suspicious outbreaks of cholera typhoid and dysentry also occurred in Syria and Egypt around the same time.
Most of the contents of this Arab news article (which I can copy) comes from the above document:
Time
October 2, 1995 Volume 146, No. 14
Robert Fisk
War Correspondent with the Independent
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/852...3!OpenDocument
I would post the text of the above UN link, but its far too gruesome and shocking to post here. You'll have to follow the link.
Suffice to say, Israel has used CW and BW agents against soldiers and unarmed civilians. Israel and their mercenaries have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity resulting in mass graves of cililians where bulldozers pushed the bodies into open pits and then covered.
I'm not surprised that Z would make the above comment. Our news simply doesn't report these events or when they do, they aren't headlines.
Quoting Zzarchov
As a matter of fact I do
No, its pretty consistent. If you have proof of Israel dumping Chemical weapons over palestinian towns and bulldozing the corpses into mass graves, please let me know...
First Israel's use of chemical and biological weapons against soldiers and civilians:
This research document details Israel's development and use of CW and BW agents.
http://www.cns.miis.edu/pubs/npr/vol08/83/83cohen.pdf
I can't quote it, because its copy protected. But it a fairly complete document of Israel's CW and BW programs as well as Israels use of these agents. For example on page 5, it describes a suspicious typhoid and dysentry outbreak in Acre as well as Egypt capturing 4 Israelis caught as they were trying to contaminate wells in Gaza with typhoid and dysentry around the same time. Other suspicious outbreaks of cholera typhoid and dysentry also occurred in Syria and Egypt around the same time.
Most of the contents of this Arab news article (which I can copy) comes from the above document:
Quote:
Now Israel's mass graves: Traces of poison
Israel, not Iraq, holds that distinction of being the first country in the region to use weapons of mass destruction with genocidal intent.
...POISONING ACRE WATER SUPPLY: In the wake of Haifa's occupation on 23 April 1948 by the Zionists, under the nose of the British Mandate forces commended by General Stockwell, a man still historically discredited for this failure, thousands converged on Acre, a nearby city, which was still Arab under the "protection" of the British forces.
Acre was to be the next Zionist target. The Zionists besieged the city from the land side, and started showering the population with a hail of mortar bombs day and night. Famous for its historical walls, Acre could stand the siege for a long time. The city water supply comes from a nearby village, Kabri, about 10kms to the north, through an aqueduct. The Zionists injected typhoid in the aqueduct at some intermediate point which passes through Zionist settlements. (see map)
The story can now be told, thanks to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) files which have now become available, 50 years after the event. A series of reports, under the reference G59/1/GC, G3/82, sent by ICRC delegate de Meuron from 6 May to about 19 May 1948 describe the conditions of the city population, struck by a sudden typhoid epidemic, and the efforts to combat it.
Of particular importance are the minutes of an emergency conference held at the Lebanese Red Cross Hospital in Acre on 6 May, to deal with the typhoid epidemic. The meeting was attended by: Brigadier Beveridge, Chief of British Medical Services and Colonel Bonnet of the British Army, Dr Maclean of the Medical Services, Mr de Meuron, ICRC delegate in addition to other officials of the city. The minutes stated that there are at least 70 known civilian casualties, others may not be reported. It was determined that the infection is "water borne", not due to crowded or unhygienic conditions as claimed by the Israelis. It was decided that a substitute water supply should now come from artesian wells or from the agricultural station, just north of Acre (see map), not from the aqueduct. Water chlorine solution was applied, inoculation of civil population started, movement of civil population was controlled (lest refugees heading north towards Lebanon will carry the typhoid epidemic with them, as intended by the Zionists).
In his other reports, de Meuron mentioned 55 casualties among British soldiers, who were spirited away to Port Said for hospitalisation. General Stockwell arranged for de Meuron to fly on a military plane to Jerusalem to fetch medicine. The British, who left Palestine in the hands of the Jews, did not want another embarrassing incident to delay their departure.
Brigadier Beveridge told de Meuron that this is "the first time this happened in Palestine". This belies the Israeli story, including that of the Israeli historian Benny Morris, that the epidemic is due to "unhygienic conditions" of the refugees. If that was so, how come there was an almost equal number of casualties among British soldiers? Why did such conditions not cause epidemic in such other concentrations of refugees, under far worse conditions, in Jaffa, Lydda, Nazareth and Gaza?...
...GAZA POISONING: Two weeks later, after their "success" in Acre, the Zionists struck again. This time in Gaza, where hundreds of thousands of refugees had gathered after their villages in southern Palestine were occupied. The end however was different.
The following cable was sent from the commander of the Egyptian Forces in Palestine to General Headquarters in Cairo:
"15.20 hrs, 24 May [1948] Our Intelligence forces captured two Jews, David Horeen and David Mizrahi, loitering around army positions. They were interrogated and confessed they had been sent by Officer Moshe to poison the army [and the peoples'] water supply. They carried with them water bottles divided in the middle. The top part has potable water and the bottom part has a liquid contaminated with typhoid and dysentery, equipped with a rear opening from which the liquid can be released. They confessed they were members of a 20-strong team sent from Rehovot for the same purpose. Both have written their confession in Hebrew and signed it. We have taken the necessary medical precautions."
In Ben Gurion's War Diary, the following entry is found on 27 May 1948:
"[Chief of Staff Yigel Yadin] picked up a cable from Gaza saying they captured Jews carrying malaria germs and gave instructions not to drink water". This is typical of Ben Gurion's oblique writing of history. He was fully aware of the weight of history when such crimes are discovered. Nuremberg trials were held only three years before. More on the background of this cable was given in Yeruham Cohen's book, In Daylight and Night Darkness, Tel Aviv, 1969, pp66-68 (in Hebrew)...
...Carus adds information from other sources about the Gaza poisoning. Rachel Katzman, Horeen's sister, Carus stated, said: "I met one of [my brother's] commanders in a lecture in Jerusalem. I asked him whether my brother had really attempted to poison wells. 'These were the weapons we had', he said, 'and that's that.'"
Carus also adds another source about Acre poisoning: This source sates, "This account also claims that the Israelis poisoned the water supply of the Arab town of Acre, causing a major outbreak, and other Arab villages to prevent the villagers from returning, citing military historian Uri Milstein as a source" [Wendy Barnaby, The Plague Makers: The Secret World of Biological Warfare, London, Vision Paperbacks, 1997, pp114-116].
The writer has obtained a copy of an e-mail in which an Israeli peace activist asked Uri Milstein about Acre poisoning story. Milstein, the military historian, is described in the e-mail as "very knowledgeable, intelligent, courageous, original, honest" -- although his views belong to the Israeli far-right (!). Milstein replied:
"I am sorry to say it, but the story is true and the name of the operation was "Shlach Lachmecha" -- that is "donate your bread", which is a part of Hebrew saying: donate your bread because sooner or later you will get it back, meaning you have to be generous and one day, you will profit from it yourself. Is this not a cute name for an operation to use biological weapons?"...
...Naeim Giladi is an Iraqi Jew who was lured to Israel by Mossad agents in the early 1950s. Working with the zealotry and dedication of a new Zionist, he soon found out that within the Ashkenazi establishment "there was not much opportunity for those of us who were second class citizens", he told the editor of The Link in New York where he immigrated after leaving Israel. "I began to find out about the barbaric methods to rid the fledgling state of as many Palestinians as possible. The world recoils today at the thought of bacteriological warfare, but Israel was probably the first to actually use it in the Middle East. Jewish forces would empty Arab villages of their population often by threats, sometimes by gunning down a half-dozen young men so that the Arabs could not return. The Israelis put typhus and dysentery bacteria in the water wells to prevent the refugees from returning". [The Link, Vol. 31 Issue 2, April-May 1998].
Another witness who spoke, former Mossad agent, Victor Ostrovsky, claims that lethal tests have been performed on Arab prisoners inside the IIBR compound...
...On 4 October, 1992 at 6.21pm, El Al Flight 1862 left Amsterdam's Schiphol airport on route to Tel Aviv, carrying three crewmen, one passenger and 114 tons of freight. Seven minutes later, it crashed in a high-rise apartment complex in Bijlmer. El Al Flight 1862 became the worst air disaster in Dutch history, killing at least 47 (the actual number is unknown because many victims were immigrants) and destroyed the health of 3000 Dutch residents. Cases of mysterious illnesses, rashes, difficulty in breathing, nervous disorders and cancer began to sprout in that neighbourhood and beyond.
The Dutch government, in collusion with Israel, lied to its citizens saying the plane was carrying perfumes and flowers. Some flowers! It took the energetic and persistent science editor in the Dutch daily NRC Handelsblad, Karel Knip, several years to discover the facts. Knip published on 27 November 1999 the most detailed and factual published investigation about the workings of biological terrorism housed in IIBR.
First he found out that the plane was carrying 50 gallons, among other things, of DMMP a substance used to make a quarter ton of the deadly nerve gas Sarin, 20 times as lethal as cyanide. It was carrying a shipment from Solkatronic Chemicals of Morrisville, Pennsylvania to IIBR in Israel, under a US Department of Commerce licence. This is contrary to the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) to which the US, but not Israel, is party....
...In 1997, Mossad agents tried to assassinate Khaled Mish'al, Hamas Political Bureau's director in Amman. King Hussein was furious at the blatant violation of Jordan's sovereignty and of the Peace Treaty with Israel. As the attempt failed, thanks to Mish'al's bodyguard, Israel sent a lady doctor with the antidote. The toxin used is likely to be SEB applied through a special gun which has a range of 50 metres. and could inject the toxin in the neck.
The stories about nerve gas applied against school children abound. So are the cases in which CBW are used. Neil Sammonds lists these cases:
- Chemical defoliants against Palestinian crops in Ain Al- Beida in 1968, Aqraba in 1972, Mejdel Beni Fadil in 1978 and Negev in 2002.
- Chemical Weapons, including hydrogen cyanide, nerve gas and phosphorous shells in the 1982 war on Lebanon.
- Lethal gas against Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners.
But the case which was widely publicised all over the world and fully documented by several international NGOs is the application of incapacitants, particularly in Khan Younis, in February 2001. The pictures of victims twisting with severe pain and uncontrollable convulsions were splashed on TV screens everywhere.
James Brooks of "Just Peace in Palestine/Israel" gave a detailed account of this BW attack on civilians day by day as it happened. First, the victims thought it was tear gas. It had a faint odour like mint. It smelled "like sugar", one victim reported. It changed colour "like a rainbow". Fifteen minutes later, the victim felt that his "stomach was torn apart, with burning sensation in [his] chest, could not breathe". Soon convulsions started. The victim would jump up and down, left and right, thrashing limbs around, with a kind of hysteria. Some victims were unconscious. The victim would vomit incessantly and then pain would return. This would go on for days or, for some, weeks.
In addition to the numerous press and human rights reports, convulsing poison gas victims in Khan Younis were filmed by the American filmmaker James Longley, in a documentary that "pushes the viewer headlong into the tumult of the Israeli- occupied Gaza". Longley compiled a 43-page document of interviews with 19 gas victims, their relatives, nurses and doctors.
These devilish incapacitants drew the protest of some NGOs but little else. No international investigation or censureship of any kind, even though this was repeatedly used in March in Al- Birch, Nablus and West Bank and yet again in Gaza later that month....
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/627/focus.htm
Israel, not Iraq, holds that distinction of being the first country in the region to use weapons of mass destruction with genocidal intent.
...POISONING ACRE WATER SUPPLY: In the wake of Haifa's occupation on 23 April 1948 by the Zionists, under the nose of the British Mandate forces commended by General Stockwell, a man still historically discredited for this failure, thousands converged on Acre, a nearby city, which was still Arab under the "protection" of the British forces.
Acre was to be the next Zionist target. The Zionists besieged the city from the land side, and started showering the population with a hail of mortar bombs day and night. Famous for its historical walls, Acre could stand the siege for a long time. The city water supply comes from a nearby village, Kabri, about 10kms to the north, through an aqueduct. The Zionists injected typhoid in the aqueduct at some intermediate point which passes through Zionist settlements. (see map)
The story can now be told, thanks to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) files which have now become available, 50 years after the event. A series of reports, under the reference G59/1/GC, G3/82, sent by ICRC delegate de Meuron from 6 May to about 19 May 1948 describe the conditions of the city population, struck by a sudden typhoid epidemic, and the efforts to combat it.
Of particular importance are the minutes of an emergency conference held at the Lebanese Red Cross Hospital in Acre on 6 May, to deal with the typhoid epidemic. The meeting was attended by: Brigadier Beveridge, Chief of British Medical Services and Colonel Bonnet of the British Army, Dr Maclean of the Medical Services, Mr de Meuron, ICRC delegate in addition to other officials of the city. The minutes stated that there are at least 70 known civilian casualties, others may not be reported. It was determined that the infection is "water borne", not due to crowded or unhygienic conditions as claimed by the Israelis. It was decided that a substitute water supply should now come from artesian wells or from the agricultural station, just north of Acre (see map), not from the aqueduct. Water chlorine solution was applied, inoculation of civil population started, movement of civil population was controlled (lest refugees heading north towards Lebanon will carry the typhoid epidemic with them, as intended by the Zionists).
In his other reports, de Meuron mentioned 55 casualties among British soldiers, who were spirited away to Port Said for hospitalisation. General Stockwell arranged for de Meuron to fly on a military plane to Jerusalem to fetch medicine. The British, who left Palestine in the hands of the Jews, did not want another embarrassing incident to delay their departure.
Brigadier Beveridge told de Meuron that this is "the first time this happened in Palestine". This belies the Israeli story, including that of the Israeli historian Benny Morris, that the epidemic is due to "unhygienic conditions" of the refugees. If that was so, how come there was an almost equal number of casualties among British soldiers? Why did such conditions not cause epidemic in such other concentrations of refugees, under far worse conditions, in Jaffa, Lydda, Nazareth and Gaza?...
...GAZA POISONING: Two weeks later, after their "success" in Acre, the Zionists struck again. This time in Gaza, where hundreds of thousands of refugees had gathered after their villages in southern Palestine were occupied. The end however was different.
The following cable was sent from the commander of the Egyptian Forces in Palestine to General Headquarters in Cairo:
"15.20 hrs, 24 May [1948] Our Intelligence forces captured two Jews, David Horeen and David Mizrahi, loitering around army positions. They were interrogated and confessed they had been sent by Officer Moshe to poison the army [and the peoples'] water supply. They carried with them water bottles divided in the middle. The top part has potable water and the bottom part has a liquid contaminated with typhoid and dysentery, equipped with a rear opening from which the liquid can be released. They confessed they were members of a 20-strong team sent from Rehovot for the same purpose. Both have written their confession in Hebrew and signed it. We have taken the necessary medical precautions."
In Ben Gurion's War Diary, the following entry is found on 27 May 1948:
"[Chief of Staff Yigel Yadin] picked up a cable from Gaza saying they captured Jews carrying malaria germs and gave instructions not to drink water". This is typical of Ben Gurion's oblique writing of history. He was fully aware of the weight of history when such crimes are discovered. Nuremberg trials were held only three years before. More on the background of this cable was given in Yeruham Cohen's book, In Daylight and Night Darkness, Tel Aviv, 1969, pp66-68 (in Hebrew)...
...Carus adds information from other sources about the Gaza poisoning. Rachel Katzman, Horeen's sister, Carus stated, said: "I met one of [my brother's] commanders in a lecture in Jerusalem. I asked him whether my brother had really attempted to poison wells. 'These were the weapons we had', he said, 'and that's that.'"
Carus also adds another source about Acre poisoning: This source sates, "This account also claims that the Israelis poisoned the water supply of the Arab town of Acre, causing a major outbreak, and other Arab villages to prevent the villagers from returning, citing military historian Uri Milstein as a source" [Wendy Barnaby, The Plague Makers: The Secret World of Biological Warfare, London, Vision Paperbacks, 1997, pp114-116].
The writer has obtained a copy of an e-mail in which an Israeli peace activist asked Uri Milstein about Acre poisoning story. Milstein, the military historian, is described in the e-mail as "very knowledgeable, intelligent, courageous, original, honest" -- although his views belong to the Israeli far-right (!). Milstein replied:
"I am sorry to say it, but the story is true and the name of the operation was "Shlach Lachmecha" -- that is "donate your bread", which is a part of Hebrew saying: donate your bread because sooner or later you will get it back, meaning you have to be generous and one day, you will profit from it yourself. Is this not a cute name for an operation to use biological weapons?"...
...Naeim Giladi is an Iraqi Jew who was lured to Israel by Mossad agents in the early 1950s. Working with the zealotry and dedication of a new Zionist, he soon found out that within the Ashkenazi establishment "there was not much opportunity for those of us who were second class citizens", he told the editor of The Link in New York where he immigrated after leaving Israel. "I began to find out about the barbaric methods to rid the fledgling state of as many Palestinians as possible. The world recoils today at the thought of bacteriological warfare, but Israel was probably the first to actually use it in the Middle East. Jewish forces would empty Arab villages of their population often by threats, sometimes by gunning down a half-dozen young men so that the Arabs could not return. The Israelis put typhus and dysentery bacteria in the water wells to prevent the refugees from returning". [The Link, Vol. 31 Issue 2, April-May 1998].
Another witness who spoke, former Mossad agent, Victor Ostrovsky, claims that lethal tests have been performed on Arab prisoners inside the IIBR compound...
...On 4 October, 1992 at 6.21pm, El Al Flight 1862 left Amsterdam's Schiphol airport on route to Tel Aviv, carrying three crewmen, one passenger and 114 tons of freight. Seven minutes later, it crashed in a high-rise apartment complex in Bijlmer. El Al Flight 1862 became the worst air disaster in Dutch history, killing at least 47 (the actual number is unknown because many victims were immigrants) and destroyed the health of 3000 Dutch residents. Cases of mysterious illnesses, rashes, difficulty in breathing, nervous disorders and cancer began to sprout in that neighbourhood and beyond.
The Dutch government, in collusion with Israel, lied to its citizens saying the plane was carrying perfumes and flowers. Some flowers! It took the energetic and persistent science editor in the Dutch daily NRC Handelsblad, Karel Knip, several years to discover the facts. Knip published on 27 November 1999 the most detailed and factual published investigation about the workings of biological terrorism housed in IIBR.
First he found out that the plane was carrying 50 gallons, among other things, of DMMP a substance used to make a quarter ton of the deadly nerve gas Sarin, 20 times as lethal as cyanide. It was carrying a shipment from Solkatronic Chemicals of Morrisville, Pennsylvania to IIBR in Israel, under a US Department of Commerce licence. This is contrary to the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) to which the US, but not Israel, is party....
...In 1997, Mossad agents tried to assassinate Khaled Mish'al, Hamas Political Bureau's director in Amman. King Hussein was furious at the blatant violation of Jordan's sovereignty and of the Peace Treaty with Israel. As the attempt failed, thanks to Mish'al's bodyguard, Israel sent a lady doctor with the antidote. The toxin used is likely to be SEB applied through a special gun which has a range of 50 metres. and could inject the toxin in the neck.
The stories about nerve gas applied against school children abound. So are the cases in which CBW are used. Neil Sammonds lists these cases:
- Chemical defoliants against Palestinian crops in Ain Al- Beida in 1968, Aqraba in 1972, Mejdel Beni Fadil in 1978 and Negev in 2002.
- Chemical Weapons, including hydrogen cyanide, nerve gas and phosphorous shells in the 1982 war on Lebanon.
- Lethal gas against Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners.
But the case which was widely publicised all over the world and fully documented by several international NGOs is the application of incapacitants, particularly in Khan Younis, in February 2001. The pictures of victims twisting with severe pain and uncontrollable convulsions were splashed on TV screens everywhere.
James Brooks of "Just Peace in Palestine/Israel" gave a detailed account of this BW attack on civilians day by day as it happened. First, the victims thought it was tear gas. It had a faint odour like mint. It smelled "like sugar", one victim reported. It changed colour "like a rainbow". Fifteen minutes later, the victim felt that his "stomach was torn apart, with burning sensation in [his] chest, could not breathe". Soon convulsions started. The victim would jump up and down, left and right, thrashing limbs around, with a kind of hysteria. Some victims were unconscious. The victim would vomit incessantly and then pain would return. This would go on for days or, for some, weeks.
In addition to the numerous press and human rights reports, convulsing poison gas victims in Khan Younis were filmed by the American filmmaker James Longley, in a documentary that "pushes the viewer headlong into the tumult of the Israeli- occupied Gaza". Longley compiled a 43-page document of interviews with 19 gas victims, their relatives, nurses and doctors.
These devilish incapacitants drew the protest of some NGOs but little else. No international investigation or censureship of any kind, even though this was repeatedly used in March in Al- Birch, Nablus and West Bank and yet again in Gaza later that month....
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/627/focus.htm
Time
October 2, 1995 Volume 146, No. 14
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Then there are the mass graves at Sabra and Shatila which contain thousands of bodies:
OPENING GRAVE WOUNDS
EVIDENCE OF ISRAELI ATROCITIES DURING THE 1967 WAR WITH EGYPT THREATENS THE COUNTRIES' FRAGILE TIES
FREDERICK PAINTON REPORTED BY AMANY RADWAN/CAIRO AND ERIC SILVER/JERUSALEM
Despite a historic peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, the heritage of two wars in two decades still leaves unexpected and bitter traces. Last week new disclosures that Israeli soldiers massacred Egyptian pows during the 1967 war added to a growing wave of anti-Israeli sentiment in Egypt. The sequence of events leading to the unearthing of two mass graves outside the Sinai city of El Arish last week began a month ago with admissions by Israeli war veterans that unarmed Egyptian civilians and pows were murdered in the 1956 and 1967 wars.
The expedition that discovered the shallow burial sites was organized by the semiofficial Al-Ahram newspaper and guided by Abdel Salam Moussa, 55, a former air force officer who was taken prisoner by the Israelis during the 1967 war. The searchers found human bones and estimated that the first grave contained the remains of approximately 90 people. Recalling the killings, Moussa told Al-Ahram, "I saw a line of prisoners, civilians and military, and they [Israeli troops] opened fire at them all at once. When they were dead, they told us to bury them." Another witness to such shootings, a local Bedouin named Soliman Salama, identified a second grave 27 km away where he said he saw Israelis kill about 30 Egyptian soldiers after they had surrendered...
...retired Israeli General Arieh Biro admitted last month that he had executed 49 Egyptian pows with submachine gunfire in the 1956 Sinai campaign...
...Israel's Attorney General Michael Ben-Yair ruled last month that there was no basis for prosecuting soldiers for offenses in 1956 and 1967 because of a 20-year statute of limitations on homicide charges...
...Israel has set a precedent in such matters by relentlessly tracking down Nazi war criminals all over the globe. "This is not just a political issue," said retired Major General Ahmed Fakhr, director of the National Center for Middle East Studies in Cairo and a veteran of all three wars, "this is an issue of families who were told that their men were missing in action. Now, after 20 years, they learn they were slaughtered in cold blood by the Israelis."....
http://www.time.com/time/internation...iddleeast.html
EVIDENCE OF ISRAELI ATROCITIES DURING THE 1967 WAR WITH EGYPT THREATENS THE COUNTRIES' FRAGILE TIES
FREDERICK PAINTON REPORTED BY AMANY RADWAN/CAIRO AND ERIC SILVER/JERUSALEM
Despite a historic peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, the heritage of two wars in two decades still leaves unexpected and bitter traces. Last week new disclosures that Israeli soldiers massacred Egyptian pows during the 1967 war added to a growing wave of anti-Israeli sentiment in Egypt. The sequence of events leading to the unearthing of two mass graves outside the Sinai city of El Arish last week began a month ago with admissions by Israeli war veterans that unarmed Egyptian civilians and pows were murdered in the 1956 and 1967 wars.
The expedition that discovered the shallow burial sites was organized by the semiofficial Al-Ahram newspaper and guided by Abdel Salam Moussa, 55, a former air force officer who was taken prisoner by the Israelis during the 1967 war. The searchers found human bones and estimated that the first grave contained the remains of approximately 90 people. Recalling the killings, Moussa told Al-Ahram, "I saw a line of prisoners, civilians and military, and they [Israeli troops] opened fire at them all at once. When they were dead, they told us to bury them." Another witness to such shootings, a local Bedouin named Soliman Salama, identified a second grave 27 km away where he said he saw Israelis kill about 30 Egyptian soldiers after they had surrendered...
...retired Israeli General Arieh Biro admitted last month that he had executed 49 Egyptian pows with submachine gunfire in the 1956 Sinai campaign...
...Israel's Attorney General Michael Ben-Yair ruled last month that there was no basis for prosecuting soldiers for offenses in 1956 and 1967 because of a 20-year statute of limitations on homicide charges...
...Israel has set a precedent in such matters by relentlessly tracking down Nazi war criminals all over the globe. "This is not just a political issue," said retired Major General Ahmed Fakhr, director of the National Center for Middle East Studies in Cairo and a veteran of all three wars, "this is an issue of families who were told that their men were missing in action. Now, after 20 years, they learn they were slaughtered in cold blood by the Israelis."....
http://www.time.com/time/internation...iddleeast.html
Robert Fisk
War Correspondent with the Independent
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But if you want the gory details and pictures here are some other first hand accounts of the massacre:
...They are bulldozing the garbage from the small plot of land behind the plane trees of Sabra and Chatila. Cheap concrete blocks are being laid to form a makeshift dais for speakers. A black flag has been draped by the wall to remind the Palestinians – as if they could forget – that here lies the mass grave of hundreds of their relatives. Up to 400 corpses lie beneath the soft red earth. Up to 2,000 died. But only now, 18 years after the majzara, the massacre, has the atrocity been commemorated.
Of course, if it had happened in a land to the south of here – a land called Israel, which the Palestinians of Sabra and Chatila still call Palestine – the world's press would gather each year at this time to honour the dead. Mercifully, Israel has never suffered such a slaughter. But if it had, the American president would surely make an annual pilgrimage to the site. Certainly, every US presidential hopeful would turn up. Relatives of the dead would be treated with reverence and generosity.
The mass grave of Sabra and Chatila, however, contains only Palestinians. Until last week it served as both football ground for Shia Muslim youths and a garbage tip. Probably, in a few days' time, it will become a rubbish dump again. And the survivors of this most awful of weekends fester on in their hot concrete huts, unvisited by journalists or statesmen. Whenever I write about the massacre at this time, I always say that The Independent will be the only British newspaper to remember the anniversary. Sadly, so far, I have been right. A people without a country are a people without honour.
The facts of what happened between 16 and 18 September 1982 are not in doubt – save for the guilty and the insane. On 16 September, the Israeli army surrounded the adjoining Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Chatila and sent their Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia allies into them to hunt for "terrorists". There were none. Just civilians, whom the Phalangists murdered and raped in homes and backyards and streets, slaughtering up to 2,000 civilians, in some cases watched by Israelis from rooftops. Only on the 18th did Israel order its allies out of the camp. When I entered Sabra and Chatila early on the 18th – before the murderers had left – it was already a charnel house...
http://www.robert-fisk.com/robert_fisk16Sept2000.htm
Of course, if it had happened in a land to the south of here – a land called Israel, which the Palestinians of Sabra and Chatila still call Palestine – the world's press would gather each year at this time to honour the dead. Mercifully, Israel has never suffered such a slaughter. But if it had, the American president would surely make an annual pilgrimage to the site. Certainly, every US presidential hopeful would turn up. Relatives of the dead would be treated with reverence and generosity.
The mass grave of Sabra and Chatila, however, contains only Palestinians. Until last week it served as both football ground for Shia Muslim youths and a garbage tip. Probably, in a few days' time, it will become a rubbish dump again. And the survivors of this most awful of weekends fester on in their hot concrete huts, unvisited by journalists or statesmen. Whenever I write about the massacre at this time, I always say that The Independent will be the only British newspaper to remember the anniversary. Sadly, so far, I have been right. A people without a country are a people without honour.
The facts of what happened between 16 and 18 September 1982 are not in doubt – save for the guilty and the insane. On 16 September, the Israeli army surrounded the adjoining Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Chatila and sent their Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia allies into them to hunt for "terrorists". There were none. Just civilians, whom the Phalangists murdered and raped in homes and backyards and streets, slaughtering up to 2,000 civilians, in some cases watched by Israelis from rooftops. Only on the 18th did Israel order its allies out of the camp. When I entered Sabra and Chatila early on the 18th – before the murderers had left – it was already a charnel house...
http://www.robert-fisk.com/robert_fisk16Sept2000.htm
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Dr.Ang Swee Chai
(Out of respect for Islam she wore a head scarf in the Mosque)
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES OF MASS SLAUGHTER
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/do...gainstwar.html
Another First Hand Eye Witness Testimony delivered to the UNFROM BEIRUT TO JERUSALEM
EYE-WITNESS TO SABRA-SHATILA MASSACRE
Dr.Ang Swee Chai
"The slaughter of unarmed children, women, the aged and the infirm was shocking. For me, I was doubly outraged that I had to discover the truth about a brave and generous people only through their deaths. Until then, I never knew Palestinian refugees existed. As a fundamentalist Christian, I had been a supporter of Israel, hated Arabs and saw the Palestinian Liberation Organisation as terrorists to be loathed and feared."
Extract from the back cover of her book "From Beirut To Jerusalem"
Dr Ang Swee Chai talking at a London Mosque.
Dr Ang Swee Chai talking at a London Mosque.
(Out of respect for Islam she wore a head scarf in the Mosque)
Dr Ang Swee Chai grew up supporting Israel. Arabs, she was told, were terrorists. But in 1982, on the television she saw the relentless bombing of Beirut by Israeli planes. Shocked, her view of Israel began to change. It was then that she heard of an international appeal for an orthopaedic surgeon to treat war victims in Beirut. The petit woman - she was just under 1.5 meters - resigned her job in London, bade her husband farewell and set out on a journey to civil war Beirut, there she was to eye-witness the Sabra-Shatila massacre...
The entire story is here:[27:20] These are mass graves. You can see the tank tracks - they have just dug up shallow graves and buried all the bodies in the rubble. They have just bulldozed all the houses
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES OF MASS SLAUGHTER
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/do...gainstwar.html
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/852...3!OpenDocument
I would post the text of the above UN link, but its far too gruesome and shocking to post here. You'll have to follow the link.
Suffice to say, Israel has used CW and BW agents against soldiers and unarmed civilians. Israel and their mercenaries have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity resulting in mass graves of cililians where bulldozers pushed the bodies into open pits and then covered.
I'm not surprised that Z would make the above comment. Our news simply doesn't report these events or when they do, they aren't headlines.
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April 11th, 2008, 10:29 AM
Zzarkof--Your parents ran from German bombing?? Germany bombed Holland for 1 (one) day. Am I wrong?
Colpy is not a Holocaust denier in fact he knows very little about it. He is leaving that part to hisrorians. I believe that that is what he said. Who is\are the Holocaust deniers?
Who are the Zionists? Who cares?
Thanks to some of you for posting such great info---
Zzarkof--Your parents ran from German bombing?? Germany bombed Holland for 1 (one) day. Am I wrong?
Colpy is not a Holocaust denier in fact he knows very little about it. He is leaving that part to hisrorians. I believe that that is what he said. Who is\are the Holocaust deniers?
Who are the Zionists? Who cares?
Thanks to some of you for posting such great info---
