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February 28th, 2008, 03:29 PM
Quoting Zzarchov
I'll admit error when you admit ignorance. I'm sure you can find remedial reading instruction somewhere.....
Noam Chomsky apparently knows Nasser better than Nasser knows himself.
So that still doesn't explain the Yom Kippur war though does it Juan? Run out of room to admit your error?
So that still doesn't explain the Yom Kippur war though does it Juan? Run out of room to admit your error?
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February 28th, 2008, 05:57 PM
Isreal is a problem not a nation, I'v heard them whine for over forty years, it never stops. The place is called Palestine. Isreal ceased to exist a long time ago because it could not exist in peace. As a matter of fact I'm not sure if Isreal ever existed.
Isreal is a problem not a nation, I'v heard them whine for over forty years, it never stops. The place is called Palestine. Isreal ceased to exist a long time ago because it could not exist in peace. As a matter of fact I'm not sure if Isreal ever existed.
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February 28th, 2008, 06:14 PM
It sure seems like a nation to me.
Now Palestine ceased to exist along time ago, more so if you consider the fact it never even truly existed.
This is because from the get go it couldn't exist in peace. It was annexed by its Arab neighbours.
It sure seems like a nation to me.
Now Palestine ceased to exist along time ago, more so if you consider the fact it never even truly existed.
This is because from the get go it couldn't exist in peace. It was annexed by its Arab neighbours.
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February 28th, 2008, 06:39 PM
O wait....
Quoting darkbeaver
EXACTLY!!! Everyone knows the Romans renamed Judea to Palestine, invoking the old enemy of Israel, Philistinia, as a rub to the rightful Arab residents.
Isreal is a problem not a nation, I'v heard them whine for over forty years, it never stops. The place is called Palestine. Isreal ceased to exist a long time ago because it could not exist in peace. As a matter of fact I'm not sure if Isreal ever existed.
O wait....
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February 28th, 2008, 11:11 PM
``5 million is not greater than the population of Israel.``
It is pretty darn close.
But, more importantly, by unifying the land many Zionists will leave Israel and Muslims will be the majority within one decade! Then, because of democratic majority rule it will end virtually all complaints made by Middle Easterners against the USA and the West. This more than anything else will put an end to the so called ''justifications'' used to defend terrorism!!!
While this is no guarantee that it will ensure total peace - it will go a long way towards securing peace for many people. There can be no doubt that it will force terror supporters to go back to the bargaining table as is required by Koranic law. As I have consistently said on this board, tact and diplomacy is the key to promoting peace. With TRUE democracy in Israel we will be far closer to this ideal.
``5 million is not greater than the population of Israel.``
It is pretty darn close.
But, more importantly, by unifying the land many Zionists will leave Israel and Muslims will be the majority within one decade! Then, because of democratic majority rule it will end virtually all complaints made by Middle Easterners against the USA and the West. This more than anything else will put an end to the so called ''justifications'' used to defend terrorism!!!
While this is no guarantee that it will ensure total peace - it will go a long way towards securing peace for many people. There can be no doubt that it will force terror supporters to go back to the bargaining table as is required by Koranic law. As I have consistently said on this board, tact and diplomacy is the key to promoting peace. With TRUE democracy in Israel we will be far closer to this ideal.
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February 29th, 2008, 08:56 AM
Democracy? Who said anything about Democracy. If Israel isn't a democracy now, Palestine isn't a democracy (if two people disagree they shoot each other over ethnic lines, which is the difference between the West Bank and Gaza).
Lots of middle eastern countries you have defended are not democracies and feature a minority ruling a majority.
Hell, If it were all one country Israel would be in its rights to institute a 1 child per couple policy, giving Jewish people exemptions in non-jewish majority areas
(Like China with the Han in non-majority Han areas).
Sorry, but you can't support anti-democratic entitities and then imagine it will work out into a democracy.
Quoting gopher
``5 million is not greater than the population of Israel.``
It is pretty darn close.
But, more importantly, by unifying the land many Zionists will leave Israel and Muslims will be the majority within one decade! Then, because of democratic majority rule it will end virtually all complaints made by Middle Easterners against the USA and the West. This more than anything else will put an end to the so called ''justifications'' used to defend terrorism!!!
While this is no guarantee that it will ensure total peace - it will go a long way towards securing peace for many people. There can be no doubt that it will force terror supporters to go back to the bargaining table as is required by Koranic law. As I have consistently said on this board, tact and diplomacy is the key to promoting peace. With TRUE democracy in Israel we will be far closer to this ideal.
It is pretty darn close.
But, more importantly, by unifying the land many Zionists will leave Israel and Muslims will be the majority within one decade! Then, because of democratic majority rule it will end virtually all complaints made by Middle Easterners against the USA and the West. This more than anything else will put an end to the so called ''justifications'' used to defend terrorism!!!
While this is no guarantee that it will ensure total peace - it will go a long way towards securing peace for many people. There can be no doubt that it will force terror supporters to go back to the bargaining table as is required by Koranic law. As I have consistently said on this board, tact and diplomacy is the key to promoting peace. With TRUE democracy in Israel we will be far closer to this ideal.
Democracy? Who said anything about Democracy. If Israel isn't a democracy now, Palestine isn't a democracy (if two people disagree they shoot each other over ethnic lines, which is the difference between the West Bank and Gaza).
Lots of middle eastern countries you have defended are not democracies and feature a minority ruling a majority.
Hell, If it were all one country Israel would be in its rights to institute a 1 child per couple policy, giving Jewish people exemptions in non-jewish majority areas
(Like China with the Han in non-majority Han areas).
Sorry, but you can't support anti-democratic entitities and then imagine it will work out into a democracy.
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March 1st, 2008, 06:52 PM
The words of Ben Gurion, a Polish migrant, "we must not differentiate between the innocent and the guilty, we must just kill them all".
The Gaza Ghetto is no doubt working towards that. Israel>> above the law and below morality<< Israel appears to follow the notion of Hermann Goering-> Macht ist Recht ( Might is Right
The words of Ben Gurion, a Polish migrant, "we must not differentiate between the innocent and the guilty, we must just kill them all".
The Gaza Ghetto is no doubt working towards that. Israel>> above the law and below morality<< Israel appears to follow the notion of Hermann Goering-> Macht ist Recht ( Might is Right
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March 1st, 2008, 08:35 PM
Geezus!
ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST ISLAMOFASCISTS THAT WOULD SEE EVERY JEW IN THE WORLD FRIED!
Get it STRAIGHT!
As long as I'm on the subject: ISRAEL IS A FREE, DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY!
ISRAEL IS OUR ALLY, as it should be.
HAMAS AND THEIR IRANIAN AND SYRIAN BACKERS ARE OUR ENEMY.
Even Chamberlain in 1938 was not as stupid as this bunch that supports those that would see the Holocaust revisited...
Or is that what you WANT?
One has to wonder.
Quoting gopher
They tried that....in 1948..........remember? ``5 million is not greater than the population of Israel.``
It is pretty darn close.
But, more importantly, by unifying the land many Zionists will leave Israel and Muslims will be the majority within one decade! Then, because of democratic majority rule it will end virtually all complaints made by Middle Easterners against the USA and the West. This more than anything else will put an end to the so called ''justifications'' used to defend terrorism!!!
While this is no guarantee that it will ensure total peace - it will go a long way towards securing peace for many people. There can be no doubt that it will force terror supporters to go back to the bargaining table as is required by Koranic law. As I have consistently said on this board, tact and diplomacy is the key to promoting peace. With TRUE democracy in Israel we will be far closer to this ideal.
It is pretty darn close.
But, more importantly, by unifying the land many Zionists will leave Israel and Muslims will be the majority within one decade! Then, because of democratic majority rule it will end virtually all complaints made by Middle Easterners against the USA and the West. This more than anything else will put an end to the so called ''justifications'' used to defend terrorism!!!
While this is no guarantee that it will ensure total peace - it will go a long way towards securing peace for many people. There can be no doubt that it will force terror supporters to go back to the bargaining table as is required by Koranic law. As I have consistently said on this board, tact and diplomacy is the key to promoting peace. With TRUE democracy in Israel we will be far closer to this ideal.
Geezus!
ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST ISLAMOFASCISTS THAT WOULD SEE EVERY JEW IN THE WORLD FRIED!
Get it STRAIGHT!
As long as I'm on the subject: ISRAEL IS A FREE, DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY!
ISRAEL IS OUR ALLY, as it should be.
HAMAS AND THEIR IRANIAN AND SYRIAN BACKERS ARE OUR ENEMY.
Even Chamberlain in 1938 was not as stupid as this bunch that supports those that would see the Holocaust revisited...
Or is that what you WANT?
One has to wonder.
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March 1st, 2008, 11:18 PM
``They tried that....in 1948..........remember?
Geezus!``
You obviously do not have a grasp of history or of reality. Had you bothered to read my link to Einsten's letter to the NY Times, you would have gotten a history lesson on Zionist fascism and the terrorism they committed to establish their state. Had you only bothered to read that link which was also signed by some of the greatest Jewish scholars of the 20th century you would never have made that ignorant remark.
While you are always free to comment on any subject, you would be well advised to make some effort to undertsand the facts before commenting or criticizing someone who knows the matter better than you do.
``They tried that....in 1948..........remember?
Geezus!``
You obviously do not have a grasp of history or of reality. Had you bothered to read my link to Einsten's letter to the NY Times, you would have gotten a history lesson on Zionist fascism and the terrorism they committed to establish their state. Had you only bothered to read that link which was also signed by some of the greatest Jewish scholars of the 20th century you would never have made that ignorant remark.
While you are always free to comment on any subject, you would be well advised to make some effort to undertsand the facts before commenting or criticizing someone who knows the matter better than you do.
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March 1st, 2008, 11:32 PM
``Lots of middle eastern countries you have defended are not democracies and feature a minority ruling a majority.``
Your comment is unclear.
I do not recall saying that any country in the ME is a true democracy. Nor do I recall saying that any have called for a one state solution (if this is what you mean).
There are individual advocates who have called for a one state solution (this is especially true among certain academicians) and something like 25 % of Palestinians have also voiced approval (the percentage of Israelis who agree are less in number but I do not recall from past readings how many approve). Democracy is or has been a largely alien idea among ME's. But in regard to Israel it would provided the ideal solution to the problem of Zionist prejudices and injustices towards Muslims.
Scholars have said Muslims would be the majority in one generation. I believe it would be so in 10 years because many Jews would flee from the land. But no matter what, one thing is for sure - had the OSS been adopted, by now Muslims would have been the majority and Zionist injustices would have been over.
``Lots of middle eastern countries you have defended are not democracies and feature a minority ruling a majority.``
Your comment is unclear.
I do not recall saying that any country in the ME is a true democracy. Nor do I recall saying that any have called for a one state solution (if this is what you mean).
There are individual advocates who have called for a one state solution (this is especially true among certain academicians) and something like 25 % of Palestinians have also voiced approval (the percentage of Israelis who agree are less in number but I do not recall from past readings how many approve). Democracy is or has been a largely alien idea among ME's. But in regard to Israel it would provided the ideal solution to the problem of Zionist prejudices and injustices towards Muslims.
Scholars have said Muslims would be the majority in one generation. I believe it would be so in 10 years because many Jews would flee from the land. But no matter what, one thing is for sure - had the OSS been adopted, by now Muslims would have been the majority and Zionist injustices would have been over.
March 2nd, 2008, 06:46 AM
Just because a Jewish scholar says it, does not make it so. There are some scholars in the Republican Party, I would hardly trust them around the crack of dawn, let alone trust them to be accurate.
You're talking about an opinion. True the Jewish state was somewhat founded by blood shed. But you can hardly claim that the opposition was innocent at that time, as they were not, nor are they today. Though you have always seemed to insinuate as much. Again, by opinion.
The facts are out there gopher, you've managed to come to your conclusions, in a manner you see fitting of your perception, so be it. Others, including myself, who see things differently, have an opposing view. You've chosen to ignore acts of aggression against Israel, while we have not. Which leads many to question your motives, your agenda and your critical thought process. This in no way is an attack on you as a person, but your posts smack of smug obtuse thinking. Though I find myself agreeing with people such as Colpy, far more then yourself. I do and have found a basis of fact within your continued argument against the Nation of Israel. In fact, I say it safe to say you removed the vail of Soldier solidarity that I once possessed about the IDF. But I would still have to say the bulk of your views have an extremist slant that that lead me to believe that you truly have no wish to see the state of Israel survive, let alone its inhabitants.
Quoting gopher
That's subjective at best. You obviously do not have a grasp of history or of reality. Had you bothered to read my link to Einsten's letter to the NY Times, you would have gotten a history lesson on Zionist fascism and the terrorism they committed to establish their state. Had you only bothered to read that link which was also signed by some of the greatest Jewish scholars of the 20th century you would never have made that ignorant remark.
Just because a Jewish scholar says it, does not make it so. There are some scholars in the Republican Party, I would hardly trust them around the crack of dawn, let alone trust them to be accurate.
You're talking about an opinion. True the Jewish state was somewhat founded by blood shed. But you can hardly claim that the opposition was innocent at that time, as they were not, nor are they today. Though you have always seemed to insinuate as much. Again, by opinion.
Quote:
Again, subjective at best. I'ld say he hit the nail on the head, so would many others.
While you are always free to comment on any subject, you would be well advised to make some effort to undertsand the facts before commenting or criticizing someone who knows the matter better than you do.
The facts are out there gopher, you've managed to come to your conclusions, in a manner you see fitting of your perception, so be it. Others, including myself, who see things differently, have an opposing view. You've chosen to ignore acts of aggression against Israel, while we have not. Which leads many to question your motives, your agenda and your critical thought process. This in no way is an attack on you as a person, but your posts smack of smug obtuse thinking. Though I find myself agreeing with people such as Colpy, far more then yourself. I do and have found a basis of fact within your continued argument against the Nation of Israel. In fact, I say it safe to say you removed the vail of Soldier solidarity that I once possessed about the IDF. But I would still have to say the bulk of your views have an extremist slant that that lead me to believe that you truly have no wish to see the state of Israel survive, let alone its inhabitants.
Quoting gopher
These prejudices you speak of, truly do exist. But in the opposite spectrum of violence and prejudices facing the Israelis. Though the IDF under Gov't mandate, target indiscriminately, which produces far more casualties then even I find acceptable. Israeli foes would do far worse, if the roles were reversed. And any sane person should be aware of such truths and facts. It is both historically and contemporarily exampled. There are individual advocates who have called for a one state solution (this is especially true among certain academicians) and something like 25 % of Palestinians have also voiced approval (the percentage of Israelis who agree are less in number but I do not recall from past readings how many approve). Democracy is or has been a largely alien idea among ME's. But in regard to Israel it would provided the ideal solution to the problem of Zionist prejudices and injustices towards Muslims.
Quote:
And by their own words, the Muslims would have wiped out the Jews, so yes, you would correct in saying 'Zionist injustices would have been over'. But are you will to foot the bill in blood? Could you still sleep at night, if what you envision were to come to reality? Because any sane and intelligent individual would understand, that placing the Muslims in authority over the state of Israel, would be a death sentence to every last man, women and child in Israel.
Scholars have said Muslims would be the majority in one generation. I believe it would be so in 10 years because many Jews would flee from the land. But no matter what, one thing is for sure - had the OSS been adopted, by now Muslims would have been the majority and Zionist injustices would have been over.
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March 2nd, 2008, 06:59 AM
Quoting CDNBear
Like most Canadian Native American Six-Nations Zionists you don't have the faintest idea of what you speak as to the Palestinian question.
That's subjective at best.
Just because a Jewish scholar says it, does not make it so. There are some scholars in the Republican Party, I would hardly trust them around the crack of dawn, let alone trust them to be accurate.
You're talking about an opinion. True the Jewish state was somewhat founded by blood shed. But you can hardly claim that the opposition was innocent at that time, as they were not, nor are they today. Though you have always seemed to insinuate as much. Again, by opinion.
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Again, subjective at best. I'ld say he hit the nail on the head, so would many others.
The facts are out there gopher, you've managed to come to your conclusions, in a manner you see fitting of your perception, so be it. Others, including myself, who see things differently, have an opposing view. You've chosen to ignore acts of aggression against Israel, while we have not. Which leads many to question your motives, your agenda and your critical thought process. This in no way is an attack on you as a person, but your posts smack of smug obtuse thinking. Though I find myself agreeing with people such as Colpy, far more then yourself. I do and have found a basis of fact within your continued argument against the Nation of Israel. In fact, I say it safe to say you removed the vail of Soldier solidarity that I once possessed about the IDF. But I would still have to say the bulk of your views have an extremist slant that that lead me to believe that you truly have no wish to see the state of Israel survive, let alone its inhabitants.
These prejudices you speak of, truly do exist. But in the opposite spectrum of violence and prejudices facing the Israelis. Though the IDF under Gov't mandate, target indiscriminately, which produces far more casualties then even I find acceptable. Israeli foes would do far worse, if the roles were reversed. And any sane person should be aware of such truths and facts. It is both historically and contemporarily exampled.
[size=3]And by their own words, the Muslims would have wiped out the Jews, so yes, you would correct in saying 'Zionist injustices would have been over'. But are you will to foot the bill in blood? Could you still sleep at night, if what you envision were to come to reality? Because any sane and intelligent individual would understand, that placing the Muslims in authority over the state of Israel, would be a death sentence to every last man, women and child in Israel.
Just because a Jewish scholar says it, does not make it so. There are some scholars in the Republican Party, I would hardly trust them around the crack of dawn, let alone trust them to be accurate.
You're talking about an opinion. True the Jewish state was somewhat founded by blood shed. But you can hardly claim that the opposition was innocent at that time, as they were not, nor are they today. Though you have always seemed to insinuate as much. Again, by opinion.
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Again, subjective at best. I'ld say he hit the nail on the head, so would many others.
The facts are out there gopher, you've managed to come to your conclusions, in a manner you see fitting of your perception, so be it. Others, including myself, who see things differently, have an opposing view. You've chosen to ignore acts of aggression against Israel, while we have not. Which leads many to question your motives, your agenda and your critical thought process. This in no way is an attack on you as a person, but your posts smack of smug obtuse thinking. Though I find myself agreeing with people such as Colpy, far more then yourself. I do and have found a basis of fact within your continued argument against the Nation of Israel. In fact, I say it safe to say you removed the vail of Soldier solidarity that I once possessed about the IDF. But I would still have to say the bulk of your views have an extremist slant that that lead me to believe that you truly have no wish to see the state of Israel survive, let alone its inhabitants.
These prejudices you speak of, truly do exist. But in the opposite spectrum of violence and prejudices facing the Israelis. Though the IDF under Gov't mandate, target indiscriminately, which produces far more casualties then even I find acceptable. Israeli foes would do far worse, if the roles were reversed. And any sane person should be aware of such truths and facts. It is both historically and contemporarily exampled.
[size=3]And by their own words, the Muslims would have wiped out the Jews, so yes, you would correct in saying 'Zionist injustices would have been over'. But are you will to foot the bill in blood? Could you still sleep at night, if what you envision were to come to reality? Because any sane and intelligent individual would understand, that placing the Muslims in authority over the state of Israel, would be a death sentence to every last man, women and child in Israel.
March 2nd, 2008, 07:12 AM
The Six Nations has declared its alliance(and visa versa) with and support for the freedom of Palestine.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6625.shtml
You may wish to to use a little forethought before submitting such erroneous accusations.
Further to that, I won't be taking any history or theological lessons from the likes of you or anyone of your ilk. By your posts alone, your grip on reality seems tenuous at best. The gopher, for all his bluster and extremism, is still by far more enlightened and factual then your posts would indicate of you.
Quoting darkbeaver
beave, thanx for highlighting your absolute ignorance on the Six Nations.
Like most Canadian Native American Six-Nations Zionists you don't have the faintest idea of what you speak as to the Palestinian question.
The Six Nations has declared its alliance(and visa versa) with and support for the freedom of Palestine.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6625.shtml
You may wish to to use a little forethought before submitting such erroneous accusations.
Further to that, I won't be taking any history or theological lessons from the likes of you or anyone of your ilk. By your posts alone, your grip on reality seems tenuous at best. The gopher, for all his bluster and extremism, is still by far more enlightened and factual then your posts would indicate of you.
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March 2nd, 2008, 08:04 AM
Neither group leads credence to their views as you always get a certain number of academics opposing any view of their contemporaries simply to be in opposition. If you came out against cannibalistic infanticide you would still have some academics (removed from the situation) who would jump to its defence (and have in the case of such rituals among animist african tribes)
I respond with:
While you are always free to comment on any subject, you would be well advised to make some effort to undertsand the facts before commenting or criticizing someone who knows the matter better than you do.
Quoting gopher
Letters from people not there aren't really that convincing. I could find them, but its worth knowing many leading Secular Muslim scholars printed similar articles in favour of the creation of Israel and opposing Arab barbarism. ``They tried that....in 1948..........remember?
Geezus!``
You obviously do not have a grasp of history or of reality. Had you bothered to read my link to Einsten's letter to the NY Times, you would have gotten a history lesson on Zionist fascism and the terrorism they committed to establish their state. Had you only bothered to read that link which was also signed by some of the greatest Jewish scholars of the 20th century you would never have made that ignorant remark.
While you are always free to comment on any subject, you would be well advised to make some effort to undertsand the facts before commenting or criticizing someone who knows the matter better than you do.
Geezus!``
You obviously do not have a grasp of history or of reality. Had you bothered to read my link to Einsten's letter to the NY Times, you would have gotten a history lesson on Zionist fascism and the terrorism they committed to establish their state. Had you only bothered to read that link which was also signed by some of the greatest Jewish scholars of the 20th century you would never have made that ignorant remark.
While you are always free to comment on any subject, you would be well advised to make some effort to undertsand the facts before commenting or criticizing someone who knows the matter better than you do.
Neither group leads credence to their views as you always get a certain number of academics opposing any view of their contemporaries simply to be in opposition. If you came out against cannibalistic infanticide you would still have some academics (removed from the situation) who would jump to its defence (and have in the case of such rituals among animist african tribes)
I respond with:
While you are always free to comment on any subject, you would be well advised to make some effort to undertsand the facts before commenting or criticizing someone who knows the matter better than you do.
