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March 30th, 2008, 06:19 PM
Radiation of Sephardic Jewish Children->This was done by Ashkenazi BUT let's all claim that our blood built the temple wall. The discovery of the Khazar Kingdom that flourished in the Middle Ages has became now a favourite topic of argument ad speculation by the anti-Semites and other fanatic and hate groups and organizations that attempt to undermine the Jewishness of the Jews, often to claim the rights of the Jews for themselves. Here I want to expose some essential facts regarding the Khazars and their history, their contribution and assimilation within the Ashkenazic Jewry. This guy just starts with anti semitic??? I guess searching the word "Khazars" makes one an anti-semite so I stopped reading.
http://www.imninalu.net/Khazars.htm DNA Tests are cheap! Maybe we are almost twins?
Radiation of Sephardic Jewish Children->This was done by Ashkenazi BUT let's all claim that our blood built the temple wall. The discovery of the Khazar Kingdom that flourished in the Middle Ages has became now a favourite topic of argument ad speculation by the anti-Semites and other fanatic and hate groups and organizations that attempt to undermine the Jewishness of the Jews, often to claim the rights of the Jews for themselves. Here I want to expose some essential facts regarding the Khazars and their history, their contribution and assimilation within the Ashkenazic Jewry. This guy just starts with anti semitic??? I guess searching the word "Khazars" makes one an anti-semite so I stopped reading.
http://www.imninalu.net/Khazars.htm DNA Tests are cheap! Maybe we are almost twins?
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March 30th, 2008, 07:54 PM
The same gamla website you quoted also talks has an article about "Transfer" as a solution to the Israeli "Arab Problem":
Quoting Just the Facts
Where exactly is Palestine again? I think it used to exist somewhere, and was inhabited by more than a million people. But recent maps only show Israel and the occupied territories. Palestine appears to have been wiped off the map.
Or, we had a situation where Jews begged Arabs to stay and live with them.
It is not my intent to discuss who belongs in that tiny region called Israel, but I will risk being shunned by my own community to set the record straight. The question is: why did Arabs flee the area that became Israel? After all, the ones who remained in their homes still live there today and prosper. The fact is that the Arab world warned the Palestinians against staying with the Jews. They also warned them that Arabs were going in to fight the Zionists and that the Palestinians should leave to avoid getting hurt.
Many Palestinians trusted these Arab leaders and left as instructed. Those who had lived with Jews for a long time were not as easily convinced of the danger, and these Arabs stayed home. Among them was my family, which saw cars traveling the area. The cars contained Jews. They reassured Arabs that they would not be harmed. Thus, we had a situation where Jews begged Arabs to stay and live with them, while Arabs from foreign countries told them to leave right away.
http://gamla.org.il/english/article/2005/jan/g1.htm
Nothing even close to the scale the Arab nations had planned for the Jews. Too bad for them it didn't quite work out like they hoped. Lucky for them, they didn't get pushed into the sea. They just got pushed into "Palestine".
It is not my intent to discuss who belongs in that tiny region called Israel, but I will risk being shunned by my own community to set the record straight. The question is: why did Arabs flee the area that became Israel? After all, the ones who remained in their homes still live there today and prosper. The fact is that the Arab world warned the Palestinians against staying with the Jews. They also warned them that Arabs were going in to fight the Zionists and that the Palestinians should leave to avoid getting hurt.
Many Palestinians trusted these Arab leaders and left as instructed. Those who had lived with Jews for a long time were not as easily convinced of the danger, and these Arabs stayed home. Among them was my family, which saw cars traveling the area. The cars contained Jews. They reassured Arabs that they would not be harmed. Thus, we had a situation where Jews begged Arabs to stay and live with them, while Arabs from foreign countries told them to leave right away.
http://gamla.org.il/english/article/2005/jan/g1.htm
Nothing even close to the scale the Arab nations had planned for the Jews. Too bad for them it didn't quite work out like they hoped. Lucky for them, they didn't get pushed into the sea. They just got pushed into "Palestine".
The same gamla website you quoted also talks has an article about "Transfer" as a solution to the Israeli "Arab Problem":
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The Logistics of Transfer
...The issue of transfer is a taboo topic in Israel. It is assumed a priori that transfer is impossible, unachievable and immoral to boot. Even to touch upon the subject is politically incorrect. However, carried out in a planned and controlled way, with suitable compensation and assistance provided to those being resettled, and especially with international support, any moral issues immediately drop out of the picture. In addition, as this article aims to demonstrate, the transfer of the Arabs is indeed achievable and it is only the unwillingness of Israeli leaders to discuss it or carry it out that stands in the way. In the present situation the leaders blame the people and the people blame the leaders, complaining that neither one nor the other want it to happen. In reality, however, the situation looks completely different.
According to an annual national security public opinion poll, conducted by the Jaffa Center for Strategic Studies of Tel Aviv University at the end of February 2002, and overseen by Prof. Asher Arian, 46% of Israeli Jews favored transferring Palestinian Arabs out of Yesha. At the same time 31% favored transferring Israeli Arabs out of Israel proper. When the question of transfer was posed in a more roundabout way, 60% of respondents said that they were in favor of encouraging Israeli Arabs to leave the country...
http://www.gamla.org.il/english/arti...02/july/b1.htm
...The issue of transfer is a taboo topic in Israel. It is assumed a priori that transfer is impossible, unachievable and immoral to boot. Even to touch upon the subject is politically incorrect. However, carried out in a planned and controlled way, with suitable compensation and assistance provided to those being resettled, and especially with international support, any moral issues immediately drop out of the picture. In addition, as this article aims to demonstrate, the transfer of the Arabs is indeed achievable and it is only the unwillingness of Israeli leaders to discuss it or carry it out that stands in the way. In the present situation the leaders blame the people and the people blame the leaders, complaining that neither one nor the other want it to happen. In reality, however, the situation looks completely different.
According to an annual national security public opinion poll, conducted by the Jaffa Center for Strategic Studies of Tel Aviv University at the end of February 2002, and overseen by Prof. Asher Arian, 46% of Israeli Jews favored transferring Palestinian Arabs out of Yesha. At the same time 31% favored transferring Israeli Arabs out of Israel proper. When the question of transfer was posed in a more roundabout way, 60% of respondents said that they were in favor of encouraging Israeli Arabs to leave the country...
http://www.gamla.org.il/english/arti...02/july/b1.htm
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I stick by my claim. Israel was built over razed Palestinian villages ethnically cleansed of the previous inhabitants.
...Today, if America is realistically considering toppling Saddam Hussein, the idea of relocating the Palestinian Arabs to Iraq deserves very serious attention. Following the "regime change," a division of Iraq into several autonomous regions (e.g. for the Kurds and Palestinian Arabs) would be one of the best strategic options available. First of all this will forever end Iraq's attempts to gain hegemony in the Arab world (the reason for Iraq's incursion into Kuwait and a major factor in the Iran-Iraq war). Secondly this will remove from the international agenda the looming need for the creation of a Kurdish state (if the Palestinian Arabs need to have two states, the Kurds obviously deserve at least one). And thirdly, this will solve the Palestinian Arab problem, granting them a second state which will be conveniently located far away from Israel.
The option of resettling the Palestinian Arabs on Saudi Arabian land, as suggested by the American Zionist Bertram Cohen (the so-called "Baruch Plan") has several advantages as well. The most important one is the fact that the Palestinian Arabs can be relocated in close proximity to the Islamic holy places of Mecca and Medina. Surely, living near these far more significant Muslim holy sites will be much better than pining after a "capital in Jerusalem," which is an almost purely political desire, and which Israel will never agree to divide anyway. Since the Saudis have recently shown such vocal support for various "peace plans" in the Middle East, nothing can be more honorable than sharing their land with their Palestinian brethren. If the Saudis are really interested in peace, their support for this option will truly bring peace to the region, since it will eliminate the major source of constant friction between the Arabs and the Jews...
http://www.gamla.org.il/english/arti...2/july/b1a.htm
The option of resettling the Palestinian Arabs on Saudi Arabian land, as suggested by the American Zionist Bertram Cohen (the so-called "Baruch Plan") has several advantages as well. The most important one is the fact that the Palestinian Arabs can be relocated in close proximity to the Islamic holy places of Mecca and Medina. Surely, living near these far more significant Muslim holy sites will be much better than pining after a "capital in Jerusalem," which is an almost purely political desire, and which Israel will never agree to divide anyway. Since the Saudis have recently shown such vocal support for various "peace plans" in the Middle East, nothing can be more honorable than sharing their land with their Palestinian brethren. If the Saudis are really interested in peace, their support for this option will truly bring peace to the region, since it will eliminate the major source of constant friction between the Arabs and the Jews...
http://www.gamla.org.il/english/arti...2/july/b1a.htm
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March 30th, 2008, 08:10 PM
wiki
Palestinian People
I'm sure all kinds of people built structures in this area over the years. A religious text's reference to an ancient temple is hardly a justification to rape, torture and murder thousands of people or drive hundreds of thousands of people from their homes. Sounds to me like religion has been misused again to perpetrate more injustice and oppression.
To be honest I don't see the security in creating a pure Jewish state anywhere. Concentrating all the world's Jews in one location seems risky.
Quoting Just the Facts
Palestinians are recent immigrants?
Ummm, yeah, the Jewish diaspora was spread all around the world, including Germany, Asia, and Ethiopia. Over literally thousands of years. Nothing confusing about that. Most Arabs in Palestine - what we today refer to as "Palestinians" - are recent immigrants also.
Now you're gonna tell me there never were Jewish temples on the temple mount, right?
We had it all wrong all along....Kind David's Temple is actually in Bavaria. Silly us.
Now you're gonna tell me there never were Jewish temples on the temple mount, right?
We had it all wrong all along....Kind David's Temple is actually in Bavaria. Silly us.
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Palestinian People
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So descending directly from people who have been living in an area for millenia makes someone a recent immigrant. Exactly how many generations and thousands of years are required before someone is classified as a resident?
...Semitic tribes from the Arabian peninsula began migrating into Palestine as early as the 3rd millennium BCE,[101][102] and among these migrants were the Arabs, such that the region was Arabized centuries before the Islamic era began.[103][104] Aramaic and Greek were replaced by Arabic as the area's dominant language.[105] Among the cultural survivals from pre-Islamic times are the significant Palestinian Christian community, and smaller Jewish and Samaritan ones, as well as an Aramaic and possibly Hebrew sub-stratum in the local Palestinian Arabic dialect.[106] Kermit Zarley writes that, "The early ancestors of some of today's Palestinians are no doubt the Canaanites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Egyptians, Idumaeans, Nabateans and Samaritans. In later periods, their intermarriage with conquering peoples, such as Greeks, Romans, Arabians and Turks, merely added to the genetic mix in Palestine."[107] Much of the local Palestinian population in Nablus, for example, is believed to be descended from Samaritans who converted to Islam.[108] Even today, certain Nabulsi family names including Muslimani, Yaish, and Shakshir among others, are associated with Samaritan ancestry.[108]
I'm sure all kinds of people built structures in this area over the years. A religious text's reference to an ancient temple is hardly a justification to rape, torture and murder thousands of people or drive hundreds of thousands of people from their homes. Sounds to me like religion has been misused again to perpetrate more injustice and oppression.
To be honest I don't see the security in creating a pure Jewish state anywhere. Concentrating all the world's Jews in one location seems risky.
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March 30th, 2008, 09:01 PM
Palestinian protesters clash with Israeli troops
http://www.gulf-news.com/region/Midd.../10201609.html
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Good for them! Keep up the protests!
Palestinian protesters clash with Israeli troops
Agencies
Published: March 30, 2008, 15:07
Published: March 30, 2008, 15:07
Nablus: Hundreds of Palestinian protesters clashed with Israeli troops at a checkpoint near Nablus on Sunday.
The protesters scuffled with troops at the Hawara checkpoint. Soldiers fought back with tear gas and stun grenades and detained two people.
There were no serious injuries reported in the protest on Land Day, a date mainly observed by Arabs in Israel to protest land seizures and discrimination.
The Israeli army said it used only non-lethal measures to disperse the crowd. It also said that anyone who was detained has been released.
The incident came as US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met with Israeli and Palestinian leaders in Occupied Jerusalem to push for peace negotiations.
The protesters scuffled with troops at the Hawara checkpoint. Soldiers fought back with tear gas and stun grenades and detained two people.
There were no serious injuries reported in the protest on Land Day, a date mainly observed by Arabs in Israel to protest land seizures and discrimination.
The Israeli army said it used only non-lethal measures to disperse the crowd. It also said that anyone who was detained has been released.
The incident came as US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met with Israeli and Palestinian leaders in Occupied Jerusalem to push for peace negotiations.
http://www.gulf-news.com/region/Midd.../10201609.html
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Good for them! Keep up the protests!
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March 30th, 2008, 09:05 PM
Quoting earth_as_one
Put a sturdy wall around them!
To be honest I don't see the security in creating a pure Jewish state anywhere. Concentrating all the world's Jews in one location seems risky.
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March 31st, 2008, 05:34 AM
Just the Facts showcased this in bold>>>we had a situation where Jews begged Arabs to stay and live with them
Just the facts tell us what Orthodox Jews are to do when they pass a Christian cemetary or church
Why did and do Yeshiva students spit at Orthodox priests?
Israel was the first to send a medical team to Indonesia after the Tsunami. Their task was to identify Jews and ensure that Jews were not buried with Christians, Muslims--not to help
Treatment of Arabs in Israel--Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent
The Adalah Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel has presented the United Nations with a highly critical report on Israel's treatment of its Arab citizens.
horror Ilan Pappe`s book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" and the words of Ben Gurion, a Polish migrant, echo in my ears "we must not differentiate between the innocent and the guilty, we must just kill them all".
The Arabs are Donkeys and Beasts"
"The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure."
Petition to the Israeli High Court: Stop Aerial Crop Spraying Four residence of the `unrecognized` villages and nine NGOs demand that the Israeli government stop all aerial poison spraying of the Bedouin crops in the Negev In an appeal to the Israeli High Court today (March 22, 2004) Salim and Sayyah Abu Mdieghem, `Abed El-Karim Al-Tori, Salman Abu Jlidan, Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, the Negev Coexistence Forum, the Association of the Negev for the Land and People, Bustan LeShalom, and other NGOs demanded that the government be forbidden to continue spraying crops from airplanes using the herbicide “Roundup”. Adv. Marwan Dallal from Adallah– the legal center for the rights of the Arab minority in Israel – prepared and filed the appeal.
Displacement of Palestinian Bedouin Continues
The Regional Council for the Palestinian Unrecognized Villages (RCUV) – Negev
6 March 2003
On 3 March 2003, the Israel Lands Administration (ILA), which controls most of the land inside Israel (including land expropriated from Palestinian refugees), destroyed more than 2000 dunums (500 acres) of crops belonging to residents of the unrecognized Bedouin village of Abda located in the Naqab (Negev). During the operation, toxic chemicals were sprayed on the crops, including land where men, women and children were working in their fields (See attached RCUV Press Release). This is the second time in a year that the ILA has used toxic chemicals to destroy Bedouin crops in the Naqab (See BADIL Press Release E/09/02).
The destruction of the crops is another example of a consistent pattern of gross violations of the basic human right to property committed by the government of Israel against the indigenous Palestinian Bedouin community. In February 2003, officials from the Israeli Interior Ministry destroyed a mosque in the unrecognized Bedouin village of Tel al-Mileh based on claims that it was an unlicensed building. At the beginning of the year, the Israeli government revealed the budget (US$ 1.75 billion) and timeframe (5 years) for a plan to remove the remaining indigenous Palestinian Bedouin living in unrecognized villages from their land and concentrate them into three townships---These are just a few.
But if you go to the Jewish Virtual Library which presents just the facts--Israeli Jews are the kindest in the world begging Arabs to live with them.
Just the Facts showcased this in bold>>>we had a situation where Jews begged Arabs to stay and live with them
Just the facts tell us what Orthodox Jews are to do when they pass a Christian cemetary or church
Why did and do Yeshiva students spit at Orthodox priests?
Israel was the first to send a medical team to Indonesia after the Tsunami. Their task was to identify Jews and ensure that Jews were not buried with Christians, Muslims--not to help
Treatment of Arabs in Israel--Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent
The Adalah Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel has presented the United Nations with a highly critical report on Israel's treatment of its Arab citizens. horror Ilan Pappe`s book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" and the words of Ben Gurion, a Polish migrant, echo in my ears "we must not differentiate between the innocent and the guilty, we must just kill them all".
The Arabs are Donkeys and Beasts"
"The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure."
--Rabbi David Batzri, head of the Magen David Yeshiva in Jerusalem [Israeli newspaper Haaretz, March 21, 2006]
"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
Physicians: Israel Stop Poisoning Bedouin Crops
Wednesday, 24 March 2004, 9:19 am
Press Release: Physicians For Human Rights In Israel
Physicians: Israel Stop Poisoning Bedouin Crops
Wednesday, 24 March 2004, 9:19 am
Press Release: Physicians For Human Rights In Israel
Petition to the Israeli High Court: Stop Aerial Crop Spraying Four residence of the `unrecognized` villages and nine NGOs demand that the Israeli government stop all aerial poison spraying of the Bedouin crops in the Negev In an appeal to the Israeli High Court today (March 22, 2004) Salim and Sayyah Abu Mdieghem, `Abed El-Karim Al-Tori, Salman Abu Jlidan, Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, the Negev Coexistence Forum, the Association of the Negev for the Land and People, Bustan LeShalom, and other NGOs demanded that the government be forbidden to continue spraying crops from airplanes using the herbicide “Roundup”. Adv. Marwan Dallal from Adallah– the legal center for the rights of the Arab minority in Israel – prepared and filed the appeal.
Displacement of Palestinian Bedouin Continues
Poisoning Palestinian Bedouin Land in Abda Unrecognized Villages
(E/08/03)BADIL Resource Center
6 March 2003
For Immediate Release
Attached Press Release from:6 March 2003
For Immediate Release
The Regional Council for the Palestinian Unrecognized Villages (RCUV) – Negev
6 March 2003
On 3 March 2003, the Israel Lands Administration (ILA), which controls most of the land inside Israel (including land expropriated from Palestinian refugees), destroyed more than 2000 dunums (500 acres) of crops belonging to residents of the unrecognized Bedouin village of Abda located in the Naqab (Negev). During the operation, toxic chemicals were sprayed on the crops, including land where men, women and children were working in their fields (See attached RCUV Press Release). This is the second time in a year that the ILA has used toxic chemicals to destroy Bedouin crops in the Naqab (See BADIL Press Release E/09/02).
The destruction of the crops is another example of a consistent pattern of gross violations of the basic human right to property committed by the government of Israel against the indigenous Palestinian Bedouin community. In February 2003, officials from the Israeli Interior Ministry destroyed a mosque in the unrecognized Bedouin village of Tel al-Mileh based on claims that it was an unlicensed building. At the beginning of the year, the Israeli government revealed the budget (US$ 1.75 billion) and timeframe (5 years) for a plan to remove the remaining indigenous Palestinian Bedouin living in unrecognized villages from their land and concentrate them into three townships---These are just a few.
But if you go to the Jewish Virtual Library which presents just the facts--Israeli Jews are the kindest in the world begging Arabs to live with them.
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March 31st, 2008, 08:07 AM
Jews living in a “democratic” state.
June 1, 2000 / West Bank, Israel
Palestinian news sources reported that Israeli settlers from the Efrat settlement on the West Bank, Israel, had deliberately released sewer water into agricultural fields maintained by Palestinian settlers in the village of Khadder, near Bethlehem, Israel. According to local farmers, the release of the waste water was a recurring action designed to force the Palestinian farmers off of their land. If the farmers were forced to leave, the Israeli settlers could utilize the opportunity to annex the areas. Farmers had estimated their crop losses to be valued at approximately 5,000 dollars.[18]
October 22, 1997 / Bethlehem, Israel
Palestinian news sources reported that Israeli settlers from Gosh Etzion sprayed a chemical on Arab grape farms in the Ertas and Khader villages south of Bethlehem. It is estimated that the Israelis ruined hundreds of grapevine trees and up to 17,000 metric tons of grapes.[17]
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2005/s1304474.htm
While the list of incidents involving chemical and bacteriological agents used as weapons by Israel and Jewish settlers is long and detailed, many will maintain that this is propaganda on the part of Palestinians and Arabs. Why would there the question be asked in the first place? What’s more likely, a Palestinian kills his animals and douses his fields with poison or Jewish settlers hoping to speed withdrawl of Palestinians from the land have conducted chemical and biological warfare?
What stands to reason and what doesn’t? How believeable is it that anyone but Jewish settlers have access to the kinds of chemicals found in poisoned animals and contaminated fields?
A “democracy” that practices this behavior isn’t worthy of anyone’s support.
Jews living in a “democratic” state.
June 1, 2000 / West Bank, Israel
Palestinian news sources reported that Israeli settlers from the Efrat settlement on the West Bank, Israel, had deliberately released sewer water into agricultural fields maintained by Palestinian settlers in the village of Khadder, near Bethlehem, Israel. According to local farmers, the release of the waste water was a recurring action designed to force the Palestinian farmers off of their land. If the farmers were forced to leave, the Israeli settlers could utilize the opportunity to annex the areas. Farmers had estimated their crop losses to be valued at approximately 5,000 dollars.[18]
October 22, 1997 / Bethlehem, Israel
Palestinian news sources reported that Israeli settlers from Gosh Etzion sprayed a chemical on Arab grape farms in the Ertas and Khader villages south of Bethlehem. It is estimated that the Israelis ruined hundreds of grapevine trees and up to 17,000 metric tons of grapes.[17]
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2005/s1304474.htm
While the list of incidents involving chemical and bacteriological agents used as weapons by Israel and Jewish settlers is long and detailed, many will maintain that this is propaganda on the part of Palestinians and Arabs. Why would there the question be asked in the first place? What’s more likely, a Palestinian kills his animals and douses his fields with poison or Jewish settlers hoping to speed withdrawl of Palestinians from the land have conducted chemical and biological warfare?
What stands to reason and what doesn’t? How believeable is it that anyone but Jewish settlers have access to the kinds of chemicals found in poisoned animals and contaminated fields?
A “democracy” that practices this behavior isn’t worthy of anyone’s support.
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March 31st, 2008, 09:25 AM
I had to LMAO while looking for UN resolutions against Israel, seems like the text for 'some' resolutions are now copywrite of 'somebody' associated with Israel, I would think the copywrite belongs with the UN itself.
http://www.actionforunrenew.ndo.co.u...esolutions.htm
Anyway, has even one ever been implemented?
Quoting MikeyDB
Since nothing was, or will be, done about it I guess they do have the support of the world behind them. A “democracy” that practices this behavior isn’t worthy of anyone’s support.
I had to LMAO while looking for UN resolutions against Israel, seems like the text for 'some' resolutions are now copywrite of 'somebody' associated with Israel, I would think the copywrite belongs with the UN itself.
http://www.actionforunrenew.ndo.co.u...esolutions.htm
Anyway, has even one ever been implemented?
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March 31st, 2008, 09:27 AM
Nope, No Arab state called Palestine. I notice alot fewer Turks after unlawful Arab migration/rebellion though. I also notice a steady decline in the Jewish population, before a resurgence.
Looking at the population changes I notice you think "zionist" legal Jewish immigrants are bad, but legal (And illegal) Arab immigrants have an unquestionable right to call the region their homeland.
When Zionist Immigration began there were 400,000-600,000 arabs in the Palestinian/Israeli region. It was mostly empty at the time (it wasn't really prime real estate in the Ottoman Empire)
In 1948, there were about 2 million inhabitants, about 1.35 million Arabs, and 650K Jews residents. Thus there was actually more Arab immigrants to the region than Jewish.
Jerusalem has had a Jewish Majority since Ottoman times (pre-20th century), Why they should be expelled has never made sense to me, It should have been from day 1 , Israeli.
Quoting earth_as_one
Sorry, I can't seem to find any reference to this Palestine ever existing anywhere. Just the Ottoman Empire (turks), then the British, Then alot of Syria, Jordan and Egypt, and Israel.
Where exactly is Palestine again? I think it used to exist somewhere, and was inhabited by more than a million people. But recent maps only show Israel and the occupied territories. Palestine appears to have been wiped off the map.
Nope, No Arab state called Palestine. I notice alot fewer Turks after unlawful Arab migration/rebellion though. I also notice a steady decline in the Jewish population, before a resurgence.
Quoting earth_as_one
And by Palestinian you mean Ottoman and British right? As there has never been a Palestine that didn't have Jewish inhabitants.
I stick by my claim. Israel was built over razed Palestinian villages ethnically cleansed of the previous inhabitants.
Looking at the population changes I notice you think "zionist" legal Jewish immigrants are bad, but legal (And illegal) Arab immigrants have an unquestionable right to call the region their homeland.
When Zionist Immigration began there were 400,000-600,000 arabs in the Palestinian/Israeli region. It was mostly empty at the time (it wasn't really prime real estate in the Ottoman Empire)
In 1948, there were about 2 million inhabitants, about 1.35 million Arabs, and 650K Jews residents. Thus there was actually more Arab immigrants to the region than Jewish.
Jerusalem has had a Jewish Majority since Ottoman times (pre-20th century), Why they should be expelled has never made sense to me, It should have been from day 1 , Israeli.
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March 31st, 2008, 09:34 AM
Zzarchov
You can try to rewrite history to suit your perspectives but it doesn't work. You can play semantics games with "Palestine" if that spins your wheel, but your argument is based on some "right" emerging out of who lived there first...or who occupied that piece of property earliest... A noble sentiment perhaps but the world has NEVER worked that way.
Rgardless of who in anyone's opinion has the "right" to occupy the areas contested under various names and interpretations, there have been atrocities committed by both parties and there has been murder and mayhem practiced by both sides. You seem to hold the state of Israel and Jews in high regard....when will they demonstrate something other than a predilection to ciminality and fraud?
Zzarchov
You can try to rewrite history to suit your perspectives but it doesn't work. You can play semantics games with "Palestine" if that spins your wheel, but your argument is based on some "right" emerging out of who lived there first...or who occupied that piece of property earliest... A noble sentiment perhaps but the world has NEVER worked that way.
Rgardless of who in anyone's opinion has the "right" to occupy the areas contested under various names and interpretations, there have been atrocities committed by both parties and there has been murder and mayhem practiced by both sides. You seem to hold the state of Israel and Jews in high regard....when will they demonstrate something other than a predilection to ciminality and fraud?
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March 31st, 2008, 03:01 PM
Still over a million Arabs in Israel's little sliver of Palestine.
Those Israeli's should hire some Jordanians to teach them a thing or two about ethnic cleansing. Israel really sucks at it.
Quoting earth_as_one
No no, it's there. Look closer. Only it's called Jordan now. It comprises almost 80% of the Mandate of Palestine. And the best part....NO JEWS!!
Where exactly is Palestine again? I think it used to exist somewhere, and was inhabited by more than a million people. But recent maps only show Israel and the occupied territories. Palestine appears to have been wiped off the map.
Still over a million Arabs in Israel's little sliver of Palestine.
Those Israeli's should hire some Jordanians to teach them a thing or two about ethnic cleansing. Israel really sucks at it.
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Yeah, "Transfer". The contemplation of Encouraging....Encouraging, mind you, not FORCING, Encouraging them to leave by offering them a pay off. Ooooo. Evil.
The same gamla website you quoted also talks has an article about "Transfer" as a solution to the Israeli "Arab Problem":
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March 31st, 2008, 03:05 PM
But then you knew that, didn't you.
Quoting earth_as_one
Most, EAO, most.
Palestinians are recent immigrants?
But then you knew that, didn't you.
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March 31st, 2008, 03:05 PM
No Israel doesn't "suck" at it...They've got the largest most modern killing machine in history at their beck and call. Whenever things aren't looking absolutely peachy they just drop a dime to Connie Rice or any one of the other American Rabbis in the Whitehouse and presto!
No Israel doesn't "suck" at it...They've got the largest most modern killing machine in history at their beck and call. Whenever things aren't looking absolutely peachy they just drop a dime to Connie Rice or any one of the other American Rabbis in the Whitehouse and presto!
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March 31st, 2008, 03:21 PM
Woof!
Quoting Just the Facts
...and no doubt there's one thumbing his nose and going n'ya n'ya right now just to annoy someone to the point of telling him to screw off so he can escalate it into something that's just got to be the Palestinian at fault. Both camps are doing it and we're the suckers going poor Israel or poor Palestine and giving them exactly what they want: attention. I still say cut off the allowance and let them fight it out.
Yeah, that's why Condi insisted they dismantle 50 checkpoints, because she's at their beck and call. 
Lets see how long it takes before a jew is killed near where one of those checkpoints would have been.
Lets see how long it takes before a jew is killed near where one of those checkpoints would have been.
Woof!
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Location: SW Ontario
Location: SW Ontario
March 31st, 2008, 03:25 PM
That's nothing new, it happens all the time. In fact, there's an entire tourism idustry being built around it. They love it when they can get Americans on the front line....nothing like a Rachel Corrie to drum up some anti-Israel PR.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles...3-AE48F0D53278
Here's some vids of the IDF in action. Note their professionalism. If this was the RCMP these protestors would have fared much much worse. Can you imagine breaking an RCMP line by sheer force of numbers and just being let go. I don't think so.
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archiv...the-city-that/
My Name is Rachel Corrie reviewed, playing in NYC.
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archiv...rr/index.shtml
Quoting dancing-loon
Palestinian protesters clash with Israeli troops
Good for them! Keep up the protests!
Good for them! Keep up the protests!
That's nothing new, it happens all the time. In fact, there's an entire tourism idustry being built around it. They love it when they can get Americans on the front line....nothing like a Rachel Corrie to drum up some anti-Israel PR.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles...3-AE48F0D53278
Here's some vids of the IDF in action. Note their professionalism. If this was the RCMP these protestors would have fared much much worse. Can you imagine breaking an RCMP line by sheer force of numbers and just being let go. I don't think so.
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archiv...the-city-that/
My Name is Rachel Corrie reviewed, playing in NYC.
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archiv...rr/index.shtml
House Member
Posts: 2,505
Location: SW Ontario
Location: SW Ontario
March 31st, 2008, 03:28 PM
But you're right, no one is completely innocent.
Quoting lone wolf
See the video above. Who's thumbing whose nose?
...and no doubt there's one thumbing his nose and going n'ya n'ya right now just to annoy someone to the point of telling him to screw off so he can escalate it into something that's just got to be the Palestinian at fault. Both camps are doing it and we're the suckers going poor Israel or poor Palestine and giving them exactly what they want: attention. I still say cut off the allowance and let them fight it out.
Woof!
Woof!
But you're right, no one is completely innocent.
