Chavez Defeated!!

EagleSmack

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And that is that.

He is losing his power base, the same ones that brought him to power have seen the wolf in sheep's clothing and now he is on the ropes. :lol:

What will he do now? What is up his sleeve?
 

#juan

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It might be a good idea to know exactly what he lost. Not exactly president for life.


Venezuela's Chavez loses 'president-for-life' vote


IAN JAMES
Associated Press
December 3, 2007 at 2:36 AM EST

CARACAS — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez suffered a stunning defeat Monday in a referendum that would have let him run for re-election indefinitely and impose a socialist system in this major U.S. oil provider.
Voters rejected the sweeping measures Sunday by a vote of 51 per cent to 49 per cent, said Tibisay Lucena, chief of the National Electoral Council. She said that with 88 per cent of the votes counted, the trend was irreversible.
Opposition supporters shouted with joy as Ms. Lucena announced the results on national television early Monday, their first victory against Mr. Chavez after nine years of electoral defeats.
Some broke down in tears. Others began chanting: “And now he's going away!”
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez appears at a press conference early Monday in Caracas, where he acknowledged his defeat in a referendum. (Fernando Llano/AP)

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“This was a photo finish,” Mr. Chavez told reporters at the presidential palace, adding that he has “heard the voice of the people and will always continue to hear it.”
Mr. Chavez said his respect for the outcome should vindicate his standing as a democrat.
“From this moment on, let's be calm,” he declared. “There is no dictatorship here.”
Opponents — including Roman Catholic leaders, press freedom groups, human rights groups and prominent business leaders — feared the reforms would have granted Mr. Chavez unchecked power and threaten basic rights.
“Don't feel sad,” Mr. Chavez urged supporters, who gave him a re-election victory with 63 per cent of the vote exactly a year ago. He blamed the loss by “microscopic margins” on low turnout among his supporters. Voter participation was 56 per cent overall.
The defeated reforms would have created new forms of communal property, let Mr. Chavez handpick local leaders under a redrawn political map, lengthened presidential terms from six to seven years and let Mr. Chavez seek re-election indefinitely. Now, Mr. Chavez will be barred from running again in 2012.
Other changes would have shortened the workday from eight hours to six, created a social security fund for millions of informal labourers and promoted communal councils where residents decide how to spend government funds.
Along with several hundred other dejected Chavez supporters, Nelly Hernandez, a 37-year-old street vendor, cried as she wandered outside the presidential palace amid broken beer bottles while government employees dismantled a stage that had been prepared for a possible victory.
“It's difficult to accept this, but Chavez has not abandoned us, he'll still be there for us,” she said between sobs.
Mr. Chavez urged calm and restraint. “To those who voted against my proposal, I thank them and congratulate them,” he said.
“I ask all of you to go home, know how to handle your victory,” the 53-year-old president said. “You won it. I wouldn't have wanted that Pyrrhic victory.”
Tensions had surged in recent weeks as university students led protests and occasionally clashed with police and Chavista groups.
Mr. Chavez made it clear, though, that he has no intention of abandoning his petrodollar-fuelled attempt to turn Venezuela into a socialist state. He has progressively steamrolled the opposition, his allies controlling the National Assembly and most other elected posts.
And he suggested he hasn't given up on his vision of permanently leaving his mark. Echoing words he spoke when as an army officer he was captured leading a failed 1992 coup, he said: “For now, we couldn't.”
At opposition headquarters in an affluent east Caracas district, jubilant Chavez foes sang the national anthem.
“We've put a stop to the socialist authoritarian project,” said one leader, Leopoldo Lopez. “Now we're opening the way to democracy.”
The ever combative Mr. Chavez had warned opponents ahead of the vote he would not tolerate attempts to incite violence, and threatened to cut off oil exports to the United States if Washington interfered.
Mr. Chavez is seen by many supporters as a champion of the poor and has redistributed more oil wealth than any other leader in memory.
All was reported calm during Sunday's voting but 45 people were detained, most for committing ballot-related crimes like “destroying electoral materials,” said Gen. Jesus Gonzalez, chief of a military command overseeing security.
Ms. Lucena called the vote “the calmest we've had in the last 10 years.”
 

#juan

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I don't think it is nearly as bad as the American press wants to paint it. Chavez didn't want to be president for life. He just wanted to be allowed to run for consecutive terms,...... much like our prime ministers....;-)
 

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I don't think it is nearly as bad as the American press wants to paint it. Chavez didn't want to be president for life. He just wanted to be allowed to run for consecutive terms,...... much like our prime ministers....;-)

Term limits are a good idea. And they would be a good thing for Canada too.
 

lone wolf

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I don't think it is nearly as bad as the American press wants to paint it. Chavez didn't want to be president for life. He just wanted to be allowed to run for consecutive terms,...... much like our prime ministers....;-)

The word "socialist" came up and that's all they need to sensationalize and get the news to sell product.

Woof!
 

Zzarchov

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C'mon Juan, if he cared about democracy then it would seem like he changed his mind since he decided he could ignore the will of the people and rule through force with a staged coup in the 90's.

If he wants to continue in politics, he can always become part of the legislature, but I agree that being in command of the military, especially in a country with a history of Coups (including ones he staged) shouldn't have president for life features.
 

#juan

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C'mon Juan, if he cared about democracy then it would seem like he changed his mind since he decided he could ignore the will of the people and rule through force with a staged coup in the 90's.

If he wants to continue in politics, he can always become part of the legislature, but I agree that being in command of the military, especially in a country with a history of Coups (including ones he staged) shouldn't have president for life features.

Chavez may be a complete a-hole. I have no idea other than what I've read. I try not to get too excited about what the American press say about anything. What I do know is that Hugo Chavez has been democratically elected three times with a majority. What I also know, is that Chavez wants to control his country's oil. Wanting to control their own oil has been pretty much a death sentence for more that a few leaders of oil rich countries who didn't want to be run by American oil companies. I'm surprised he hasn't been assassinated by now.
 

Zzarchov

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Chavez may be a complete a-hole. I have no idea other than what I've read. I try not to get too excited about what the American press say about anything. What I do know is that Hugo Chavez has been democratically elected three times with a majority. What I also know, is that Chavez wants to control his country's oil. Wanting to control their own oil has been pretty much a death sentence for more that a few leaders of oil rich countries who didn't want to be run by American oil companies. I'm surprised he hasn't been assassinated by now.

Maybe? He sent armed gunmen to destroy a democratically elected government and instill himself as leader of a new one party state with him at the helm.

Thats not "may be a complete a-hole", May ended 6 months ago.
 

#juan

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Maybe? He sent armed gunmen to destroy a democratically elected government and instill himself as leader of a new one party state with him at the helm.

Where do you get this stuff? Are you telling me he didn't win three elections?
 

earth_as_one

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I think people are confusing Bush with Chavez. The Bush administration supported overthrowing democratically elected Chavez.

Venezuela coup linked to Bush team
April 21, 2002
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...officials at the Organisation of American States and other diplomatic sources, talking to The Observer, assert that the US administration was not only aware the coup was about to take place, but had sanctioned it, presuming it to be destined for success.

The visits by Venezuelans plotting a coup, including Carmona himself, began, say sources, 'several months ago', and continued until weeks before the putsch last weekend. The visitors were received at the White House by the man President George Bush tasked to be his key policy-maker for Latin America, Otto Reich...
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,688071,00.html

Chavez crimes?

Increasing Venezuelan oil royalties to reduce poverty, fund medical programs, literacy campaigns....

Expropriateding unused parts of large estates (only where the alleged owner could not prove legal ownership), to give to peasant farmers.

Reducing corruption, by changing the way government money is distributed and spent.

Protecting Venezuela's indigenous people's land rights.

Being fiscally responsible and paying off Venezuela's national debt.

And committing many selfless acts of charity:
Cheap oil from Chavez arrives in U.S.
November 23, 2005

...Thousands of low-income people in Boston and New York will get help with heating oil this winter, thanks to a gesture from Venezuela's controversial president.

Citgo Petroleum Corp., a company controlled by the Venezuelan government, will supply more than 12 million gallons of home heating oil at a cost 40 per cent below market prices.
The oil will be distributed by two non-profit organizations....

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/11/23/citgo-chavez051123.html

Chavez's attempt to move Venezuela toward a socialist dictatorship by allowing him to hold power indefinitely and reduce his accountability was defeated by a vote. The referendum result is a win for democracy.
 

Just the Facts

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It's all a setup to make himself look good. This way when he rigs the next election people will be lulled into thinking he's an upstanding guy who won legitimately.