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Israel Governement will find another excuses for what they have done, just like any criminal organisation.
No Evidence Of Widespread hezbollah 'shielding
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the rest in here
Human right watch
Israel Governement will find another excuses for what they have done, just like any criminal organisation.
Have they figured out which secret weapon made the holes in the ambulances yet?
HRW is funnier than Monty Python.
And as far as I'm concerned, Monty Python has more cred!
It doesn't matter that the folks are terrified to testify against the actual criminals in their own backyards...
You damned if you do and damned if you don't :-|
whatever.......the reason why israel went to lebanon, is because 2 soldier were kidnapped, and to justified their destruction in lebanon, is because hezb were using human shield, none of this was the truth.
By the way what happened to the 2 kidpnaped soldier?
Are they free?
are they alive?
why didnt we hear about it ?
The Israeli soldiers remain captive just like dozens of Lebanese soldiers held by Israel. That's why Hezbollah launched their raid. So they could bargain for the release of their soldiers.
By the way, Israel also holds tens of thousands of Palestinian men, women and children captive. I hope Hezbollah is more humane to their POWs than Israel. Its well documented that Israel routinely tortures their prisoners including women and children.
Before the Hebollah raid, its likely Israel was already planning to invade southern Lebanon. It was just a question of when. Hezbollah's raid caused Israel's leaders to move their invasion plans forward. In hindsight, that was a poor decision. Israel's military was not ready to take on an entrenched Hezbollah and as a result they got their butts kicked.
But the war did prove that Israel still has a much better capability to kill innocent civilians and commit war crimes than Hezbollah. It also showed that Hezbollah was far more effective at defending Lebanon than Israel was at invading. Hezbollah should have known that Israel would resort to killing innocent unarmed civilians to compensate for their inability to wage an effective campaign against armed soldiers. If Hezbollah plans to take on Israel again they must either improve their ability to kill innocent unarmed Israeli citizens or their ability to defend innocent unarmed Lebanese civilians.
Hezbollah's successful border raid showed cunning and daring. It was not a terrorist attack, but a legal battle between two nations in a state of war within the agreed terms of the April Understanding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Lebanese_Ceasefire_Understanding
The same cannot be said of Israeli pilots bombing Beruit or other cvilian targets like the bomb shelter in Qana. Bombing cities at altitude because you can is an act of cowardice and a war crime. So is launching rockets at cities. But Hezbollah only declared total war after it became clear that Israel was targetting innocent civilians in violation of the April Understanding. When Hezbollah declared open season on Israeli civilians, Israel had been targetting innocent Lebanese civilians for over 24 hours.
Only soldiers who fought battles against other soldiers without involving civilians can claim to be courageous and fighting with honor. Many soldiers on both sides demonstrated these traits.
Its likely that if Israel hadn't targetted civilians first, then Hezbollah probably would have refrained from launching rockets at Israeli civilians. Any soldier which targets civilians is a war criminal. That even includes attacking civilians in retaliatation for the other sides attacks on your civilians. That makes Hezbollah just as guilty of war crimes as Israel.
By the way, Israel also holds tens of thousands of Palestinian men, women and children captive. I hope Hezbollah is more humane to their POWs than Israel. Its well documented that Israel routinely tortures their prisoners including women and children.
Before the Hebollah raid, its likely Israel was already planning to invade southern Lebanon. It was just a question of when. Hezbollah's raid caused Israel's leaders to move their invasion plans forward. In hindsight, that was a poor decision. Israel's military was not ready to take on an entrenched Hezbollah and as a result they got their butts kicked.
But the war did prove that Israel still has a much better capability to kill innocent civilians and commit war crimes than Hezbollah. It also showed that Hezbollah was far more effective at defending Lebanon than Israel was at invading. Hezbollah should have known that Israel would resort to killing innocent unarmed civilians to compensate for their inability to wage an effective campaign against armed soldiers. If Hezbollah plans to take on Israel again they must either improve their ability to kill innocent unarmed Israeli citizens or their ability to defend innocent unarmed Lebanese civilians.
Hezbollah's successful border raid showed cunning and daring. It was not a terrorist attack, but a legal battle between two nations in a state of war within the agreed terms of the April Understanding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Lebanese_Ceasefire_Understanding
The same cannot be said of Israeli pilots bombing Beruit or other cvilian targets like the bomb shelter in Qana. Bombing cities at altitude because you can is an act of cowardice and a war crime. So is launching rockets at cities. But Hezbollah only declared total war after it became clear that Israel was targetting innocent civilians in violation of the April Understanding. When Hezbollah declared open season on Israeli civilians, Israel had been targetting innocent Lebanese civilians for over 24 hours.
Only soldiers who fought battles against other soldiers without involving civilians can claim to be courageous and fighting with honor. Many soldiers on both sides demonstrated these traits.
Its likely that if Israel hadn't targetted civilians first, then Hezbollah probably would have refrained from launching rockets at Israeli civilians. Any soldier which targets civilians is a war criminal. That even includes attacking civilians in retaliatation for the other sides attacks on your civilians. That makes Hezbollah just as guilty of war crimes as Israel.
You just have to love the slant in this title. No evidence of WIDESPREAD shielding. They just do it every so often when necessary. So the Israeli's should never,ever shoot back because they may hit civilians because the palestinians may have put thier rocket launchers,which are always aimed at civilians,in a schoolyard. Sounds like fair,unbiased reporting to me.Damn joos.
Read the HRW report.
http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/
Israel has every right to attack legitimate targets.
But its a war crime to deliberately target fleeing civilians, civilian homes and bomb shelters. Not to mention deliberately littering Lebanon with millions of unexploded cluster bomblets during the last hours of the conflict in a deliberate attempt to kill innocent Lebanese civilians for years to come. Try to rationalize that as Israel just defending itself. The war was over and that final war crime speaks volumes about the value Israel's leaders place on innocent civilians.
And don't even try to lay the anti-Semitism crap on me. I can find many Jewish Israeli sources which also criticize Israel's leaders for their war crimes.
http://www.hagada.org.il/eng/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=189
Are Jewish Israeli's who dare point out their leader's war crimes also anti-Semitic?
http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/
Israel has every right to attack legitimate targets.
But its a war crime to deliberately target fleeing civilians, civilian homes and bomb shelters. Not to mention deliberately littering Lebanon with millions of unexploded cluster bomblets during the last hours of the conflict in a deliberate attempt to kill innocent Lebanese civilians for years to come. Try to rationalize that as Israel just defending itself. The war was over and that final war crime speaks volumes about the value Israel's leaders place on innocent civilians.
And don't even try to lay the anti-Semitism crap on me. I can find many Jewish Israeli sources which also criticize Israel's leaders for their war crimes.
http://www.hagada.org.il/eng/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=189
Are Jewish Israeli's who dare point out their leader's war crimes also anti-Semitic?
You just have to look at who posted this thread, it's like all others posted before with a bias title. I think he could be Hezbollah's green helmet man..
Just a note, it's not the damn jooos, it's Da Joooos, Da Joooos..
You still haven't grasped the difference between a "Uniformed" Soldier and a "Non Uniformed" Soldier. The Uniformed Soldier is priviledged to the rights and treaties of the Geneva Convention and the International Rule of Law governing the treatment of Soldiers. The Hezbollah, a "Non Uniformed" Army, is not afforded the same rights. This isn't rocket science.
Torture aside, the mjority of the Palestinian prisoners held by the IDF and Israel, are terrorists or have commited crimes against the state.
Ummm, ya...were you watching the same war?
The IDF didn't get their azzes kicked, they held back and didn't push, due to International pressure.
Lets take a history lesson here...
How many countries attacked Israel the day after she was born, a nation with no formal Army to speak of?
Who won?
They've come along way earth, they have the potential to wipe all their neighbours off the map, but choose not to.
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And on what biased source do you say all palestinians prisonners are terrorist? same one who says bill 101 is a theat to poor/victims english in quebec?
So what is your barbarian reason for israel to attack lebanon?
They don,t only twisted-sheep people who hates muslim to their teeth says that, withouth even a single shread of evidence of what you are saying.
Please reread my post...it says "majority", not "all". I won't hold my breath, in hopes of you ever getting a grip of the reality of the situation here or there.
Nope, I got mine from a statictics site, Bill 101 was seen as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of Canada and watered down until only barely acceptable under the law, which was still seen as wrong by the majority of Canadians. Again, I won't anticipate any bulbs going off with regards to you anytime soon.
huh?
What the war proved is that cheap man portable munitions like RPGs and MANPADS can take out expensive tanks and helicopters. We have entered a new era of warfare. The technologies which have historically given Israel an edge are obsolete. Israel got out of the last war by bombing civilian targets until Hezbollah agreed to a ceasefire. I suppose that could be considered a win. Eventually Israel's adversaries will have the same ability and then Israel will be forced to fight a war without targeting civilians.
Well lets hope that happens soon so the Paleoswinians can stop blowing up buses full of civilians and can quit aiming katyusha rockets at elementary schools.
I disagree with targetting civilians. Wars should be between soldiers. Soldiers/militants which target civilians are war criminals in my view. But your viewpoint that Palestinian militants are the only ones guilty of killing innocent civilians is completely wrong. Please visit this site and compare.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
Israeli soldiers kill innocent Palestinian civilians daily.
Or how about this recent news?
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
Israeli soldiers kill innocent Palestinian civilians daily.
Or how about this recent news?
I'm not commenting on which side is right or wrong, but how is this a counterargument? Is this supposed to be a constructive post?
Gainsaying is a schoolyard tactic.
Pangloss
The difference being this...If the Palestinians..whoever they are, since there is no "Palestine" stopped killing first the Israelis would stop also. If Israel stopped shooting completely today, there would still be jihadis blowing up cafes and bustops.
I guess it will never end until they run out of human bomb volunteers.
Palestinians live under a brutal and illegal military occupation. They are subjected to curfews, expulsions, home demolitions, legalized torture, and a highly imaginative assortment of human rights violations by people who recently immigrated to the region. No justifiable comparison can be drawn between the level of official accountability to which Palestinans are held for the actions of a few individuals and the responsibility for the systematic and intense violence against the entire Palestinian population practiced with impunity by the state of Israel.
International law grants a people fighting an illegal occupation the right to use ‘all necessary means at their disposal’ to end their occupation. The Palestinian resistance is as legal and legitimate as the French resistance to Nazi occupation or Black South African resistance to Apartheid.
International law grants a people fighting an illegal occupation the right to use ‘all necessary means at their disposal’ to end their occupation. The Palestinian resistance is as legal and legitimate as the French resistance to Nazi occupation or Black South African resistance to Apartheid.
Israel's Palestinian victims are usually labelled militants by our media.
A militant implies they are associated with a military force and therefore legitimate targets. But when human rights organizations investigate Israel's claims about killing militants, the majority of people Israel kills turn out to be innocent civilians.
That proves most of what is reported in the news about this conflict is really pro-Israel manipulative propaganda.
A militant implies they are associated with a military force and therefore legitimate targets. But when human rights organizations investigate Israel's claims about killing militants, the majority of people Israel kills turn out to be innocent civilians.
the Independent/UK
Most Palestinians Killed in Israeli Raids were Civilians, Amnesty Says
by Donald Macintyre
JERUSALEM -More than 320 civilians were among a threefold increase in the number of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces last year, according to Amnesty International. The human rights group’s 2007 report says that over half of the more than 650 Palestinians killed in 2006 were civilians, 120 of them children and young people under 18. Amnesty defines civilians, “as people that are reasonably supposed never to have been involved in armed operations”.
While Amnesty said that dozens of Palestinians were killed in the West Bank it pointed out that most of the increase resulted from aerial and artillery bombardments in Gaza after the abduction of the Israeli corporal Gilad Shalit in late June and in response to increased Qassam rocket fire on Israel. These included, for example, the shelling of a house in the northern town of Beit Hanoun which killed 17 members of the Athamneh family.
The report said 21 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinians militants in the same year, the lowest figure since the beginning of the second intifada in 2000.
Amnesty also accused soldiers and settlers of committing “serious human rights abuses, including unlawful killings against Palestinians mostly with impunity”. Although it said settler attacks on farmers in the West Bank had decreased, they were continuing.
It said that, at times, security forces were present at such incidents and did not intervene.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/24/1434/
That proves most of what is reported in the news about this conflict is really pro-Israel manipulative propaganda.
It's way too late to haul the White Star Line naval architect and welding crews to court to settle who is responsible for sinking the Titanic, the iceberg the design flaws or the ships captain and crew. The same applies to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. The United States and Britain (see Afghanistan, Iraq, anywhere in the world where conflict and violence erupt after these morons have meddled in another nations affairs) becasue the decision was made to plant the Jews in Palestine. Now sure the argument about who "owns" the land can go on and on ad nauseum but the first move was made by "democracies" (Britain and the United States) mismanaging, misunderstanding and mishandling anything and everything they touch that comes into direct contact with foreign policy....
With any luck, America can look forward to spending more billions and shedding more of its children's lives (see Korea) in another stirling move like they're responsible for in Iraq and unless Turkey hands the U.S. its ass (or China or Russia) (the European Union is a toothless dawg) the American created black hole of Iraq will continue for years..... Just like Israel and other regions of "American influence" have entertained the world for decades....
With lovely messes created and left all over the planet, by Britain and the United States we can be assured that folk like Bear will have plenty of opportunity to level heart-warming jibes like ..."retard babies" when "discussing" Israel and Palestine....or how wonderful it is to be involved in Afghanistan......
The entire issue is well beyond reason and resolution when after the time passed and the atrocities commited by both sides are juxtaposed that the lofty intellects of bigots and testosterone junkies are provided the opportunity to vent their spleens in intentional and purposefully personal baiting and demonstrations of disdain for anyone's different opinion.
I wonder can you stick a yellow ribbon on a Star of David and symbolize support for terrorism?
With any luck, America can look forward to spending more billions and shedding more of its children's lives (see Korea) in another stirling move like they're responsible for in Iraq and unless Turkey hands the U.S. its ass (or China or Russia) (the European Union is a toothless dawg) the American created black hole of Iraq will continue for years..... Just like Israel and other regions of "American influence" have entertained the world for decades....
With lovely messes created and left all over the planet, by Britain and the United States we can be assured that folk like Bear will have plenty of opportunity to level heart-warming jibes like ..."retard babies" when "discussing" Israel and Palestine....or how wonderful it is to be involved in Afghanistan......
The entire issue is well beyond reason and resolution when after the time passed and the atrocities commited by both sides are juxtaposed that the lofty intellects of bigots and testosterone junkies are provided the opportunity to vent their spleens in intentional and purposefully personal baiting and demonstrations of disdain for anyone's different opinion.
I wonder can you stick a yellow ribbon on a Star of David and symbolize support for terrorism?