Chavez's Economy Spinning Out of Control

Toro

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The President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, is a proponent of Bolivaran socialism, a doctrine with roots that lie in the teachings of Karl Marx. Marx, despite his incorrect readings of history, probably would have made a good trader as he seems to understand the repetitiveness of human nature when he said that "history repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce."

His erstwhile student and modern-day standard-bearer, Sr. Chavez, seems to have missed that class. It appears that Venezuela is heading down the path taken by Latin America in the 1970s and 1980s, when economic incompetence and quadruple-digit inflation ran rampant across the continent.

Hugo Chavez's economy is starting to unravel in the currency market.

While Venezuela earns record proceeds from oil exports, consumers face shortages of meat, flour and cooking oil. Annual inflation has risen to 16 percent, the highest in Latin America, as President Chavez tripled government spending in four years. Exxon Mobil Corp. and ConocoPhillips are pulling out after Chavez demanded they cede control of joint venture projects.

The currency, the bolivar, has tumbled 28 percent this year to 4,750 per dollar on the black market, the only place it trades freely because of government controls on foreign exchange. That's less than half the official rate of 2,150 set in 2005. Chavez may have to devalue the bolivar to reduce the gap and increase oil proceeds that make up half the state's revenue.

``This has been the worst managed oil boom in Venezuela's history,'' said Ricardo Hausmann, a former government planning minister who now teaches economics at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts. ``A devaluation is a foregone conclusion. The only question is when.'' ...

Chavez, an ally of Cuban President Fidel Castro who calls capitalism ``evil,'' weakened the currency 11 percent in 2005. He imposed restrictions on foreign exchange in 2003 to halt capital flight that has driven down the bolivar more than 70 percent since he took office in 1999.

A devaluation would give the government more bolivars from its oil export tax receipts, helping fund Chavez's policies to provide free healthcare, housing and discounted food to millions of Venezuelans. The government says social programs helped cut the poverty rate to 34 percent in the first half of 2006 from 49 percent eight years earlier. ...

Chavez, who is seeking to end presidential term limits, has taken $17 billion of foreign reserves from the central bank and expropriated dozens of farms that he deemed underutilized.

He nationalized Venezuela's biggest private electric and telephone utilities and took majority stakes in oil projects owned by Exxon, the world's largest producer, and ConocoPhillips, the third-biggest in the U.S. Foreign direct investment was a negative $881 million in the first half as foreign companies pulled out money.

Chavez terminated the broadcast license of the country's most-watched television network in May, sparking weeks of student protests. He has threatened to take over cement makers, hospitals, banks, supermarkets and butcher shops, saying they weren't obeying price controls. ...

Contreras called the government-set prices on many products ``fantasy prices'' that are below production costs. Items including milk, chicken, coffee and flour have disappeared from store shelves in Caracas at times this year because companies refused to sell at a loss. ...

Harvard's Hausmann said the growth in public spending has been so rapid that the government needs oil prices to keep rising to hold its deficit in check. He estimates the public sector deficit will equal about 5 percent of gross domestic product this year. The Finance Ministry forecasts the public sector will post a balanced budget this year, Public Credit Director Luis Davila said last month.

``For the macroeconomic house of cards not to come crashing down, the price of oil has to go up at double digit growth rates,'' Hausmann said. ``If oil stays at $70, they're going to hit the wall.''
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gopher

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I'm sure that Venezuela's standard of living is a lot more preferable to that endured by people in Iraq under Bush. This despite the multiples of billions of our tax dollars given by Bush to that country.
 

gopher

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It's a bit more of a toss up, actually. But Venezuela's economy is far better than most in the Third World and Chavez's reforms are to be credited for that success.
 

s243a

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It's a bit more of a toss up, actually. But Venezuela's economy is far better than most in the Third World and Chavez's reforms are to be credited for that success.

Given the amount of oil revenue Chavez gets there is no excuse to the extent of poverty in Venezuela. Chavez deserves no credit because he has only made things worse.
 

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gopher

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Charity begins at home. There's no excuse for having people live on the streets or going broke because they exhaust their life savings for medical care.
 

Phil B

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Given the amount of capitol in the USA, there is no excuse for 40 million Yanks living below the poverty line.

Don't you agree?

Define poverty line.

I see plenty of "poor" people in the UK with houses, cars, ps3/xbox, $200 sneakers - who also smoke @ £5.5/$12 pack and drink. Yet these people are considered under the poverty line by UK standards.
I'd say that is quite "rich" by global standards.
 

Unforgiven

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The US can do better. Fighting wars doesn’t help. Also keep in mind the poverty line in the US is one of the highest in the world. The nation has its problems but that doesn’t seem to slow down peoples desire to live and work in America.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=76cd4711-e71b-4206-b551-912f5027ad4f&&Headline=Indian+Americans+better+off+than+US+residentshttp://www.hindustantimes.com/Story...Indian+Americans+better+off+than+US+residentshttp://www.hindustantimes.com/Story...Indian+Americans+better+off+than+US+residents

Yeah well the picture in the brochure looks good. It when you get there that the reality sets in.
 

YoungJoonKim

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Let's face the reaity.
These "poor" in America and Canada don't die from food shortages..in fact, some of them are overweight. However, the problem is their living condition. Compared with other neighbors, there are significant differences.
How to beat this cycle?
Take 4 welfare job, maybe you will be in median.
WORK LIKE HORSE SON! WORK LIKE HORSE! ~ Uncle Sam
 

Toro

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It's a bit more of a toss up, actually. But Venezuela's economy is far better than most in the Third World and Chavez's reforms are to be credited for that success.

Actually, its not.

And actually, oil at $70 is to be credited for whatever success is occurring in the Venezuelan economy.

But that's not the point. Nor is spinning Chavez's problems by deflecting criticism and making a spurious comparison to another country half way around the world. Why not compare Venezuela to Dubai or Indonesia, for instance? It doesn't stack up quite as good then, does it?

The point is that Hugh is repeating the same mistakes that occurred in Latin America 30 years ago, mistakes that are very avoidable.
 

Niflmir

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Haha, how does a thread about Venezuela turn into a thread about American socialism?

From a socialist perspective broad economic indicators without any specific legislative correlations such as inflationary rates are not nearly as interesting as say, access to water and energy which are directly correlated to the new legislation. Also, the nation is in a highly dynamical state at the moment as legislation is being changed. In a situation this far from equilibrium I would expect some pretty severe changes.

They have some backing from Russia and China, don't they? So they have some access to foreign capital in order to fund projects over what they could afford on their own production alone. One way or another Venezuela is the most interesting political experiment on the map currently, in my opinion.
 

Toro

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One way or another Venezuela is the most interesting political experiment on the map currently, in my opinion.

It may be, but "interesting" doesn't necessarily mean good.

Venezuela could very well end up just like the Latin American basket-cases of the 1980s, with hyperinflation and a military dictatorship. In that sense, Venezuela is "boring" because we've seen it before, like a bad B-movie.
 

Curiosity

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I love the Gophering of stats for the nation in which he is being held hostage ....

Tell me Gopher - would the 40 million below the poverty line include undocumented people ?