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April 23rd, 2007, 08:05 PM
Leaked document reveals bulk water exports to be discussed at continental integration talks
By Council of Canadians
Global Research, May 1, 2007
Council of Canadians
Leaked document reveals bulk water exports to be discussed at continental integration talks
By Council of Canadians
Global Research, May 1, 2007
Council of Canadians
Ottawa – The leaked document of a prominent Washington-based think tank obtained by the Council of Canadians reveals that government officials and business leaders from Canada, Mexico and the United States are scheduled to discuss bulk water exports in a closed-door meeting at the end of the month as part of a larger discussion on North American integration.
Titled the “North American Future 2025 Project,” the initiative being led by the U.S.-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Conference Board of Canada and the Mexican Centro de Investigación y Docencia Económicas calls for a series of “closed-door meetings” on North American integration dealing with a number of highly contentious issues including bulk water exports, a joint security perimeter and a continental resource pact.
According to the document, a roundtable on the “Future of the North American Environment,” is planned for Friday April 27 in Calgary, and will discuss “water consumption, water transfers and artificial diversions of bulk water” with the aim of achieving “joint optimum utilization of the available water.”
"This is just the latest in a series of closed-door meetings that grant the business sector privileged access while shutting out the public,” says Maude Barlow, national chairperson of the Council of Canadians. “The document is damning not just because it outlines a process that lacks transparency and accountability,” says Barlow, “but also because of what is being discussed by governments and so-called corporate stakeholders.”
The document also reveals that “trilateral coordination of energy policy” and the development of “North American security architecture” are being discussed by high-level government officials from Canada, the U.S. and Mexico.
The Council of Canadians is demanding that the Canadian government cease all further participation in such talks on North American integration until there is parliamentary debate and meaningful public consultation on the issue.
To consult the leaked document Leaked document: North American Future 2025 Project (PDF format)
Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS)
To consult the leaked document Leaked document: North American Future 2025 Project (PDF format)
Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS)
just special
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April 23rd, 2007, 08:24 PM
If we can safely export our resources to another country,let's do it.There is some that think any talks with the U.S. is really,really bad and will only lead to us becoming the 51st province. How immature. The states are our largest trading partner,by far,and will get along without us a lot better than we will without them.
If we can safely export our resources to another country,let's do it.There is some that think any talks with the U.S. is really,really bad and will only lead to us becoming the 51st province. How immature. The states are our largest trading partner,by far,and will get along without us a lot better than we will without them.
the clan of the claw
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April 23rd, 2007, 08:32 PM
I see it as funny that the talks what in essence is water privatization is occuring in calgary, a city that privatized its groundwaters and is at the risk of having no public water supply should the projections of the bow and elbow running dry prove true.
More seriously, when will canada learn that bulk exportation of raw goods does not do canada any good? have all forms of entrepreneurialism been bred out of this place?
I see it as funny that the talks what in essence is water privatization is occuring in calgary, a city that privatized its groundwaters and is at the risk of having no public water supply should the projections of the bow and elbow running dry prove true.
More seriously, when will canada learn that bulk exportation of raw goods does not do canada any good? have all forms of entrepreneurialism been bred out of this place?
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April 23rd, 2007, 09:26 PM
the good ol' us of g don't have friends, just people they haven't attacked yet.
wont be long till a war is fought over water rather than oil...water being more important than oil.
Quoting wallyj
You heard of the North American Union......?
If we can safely export our resources to another country,let's do it.There is some that think any talks with the U.S. is really,really bad and will only lead to us becoming the 51st province. How immature. The states are our largest trading partner,by far,and will get along without us a lot better than we will without them.
the good ol' us of g don't have friends, just people they haven't attacked yet.
wont be long till a war is fought over water rather than oil...water being more important than oil.
Les
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April 23rd, 2007, 09:33 PM
Dealing with the USA usually ends up in one being shafted (how free is free trade? Softwood lumber?). Simple as that. If they want our water (like they don't have any of their own), they should pay through their beaks for it.
I've been saying for quite a few years now that Canada should goddam well develop more trade with others on the planet and quit relying so heavily on trade with the US. Ah, but no, things are comfy cozy as is. Stick with the status quo, it'll last forever.
Dealing with the USA usually ends up in one being shafted (how free is free trade? Softwood lumber?). Simple as that. If they want our water (like they don't have any of their own), they should pay through their beaks for it.
I've been saying for quite a few years now that Canada should goddam well develop more trade with others on the planet and quit relying so heavily on trade with the US. Ah, but no, things are comfy cozy as is. Stick with the status quo, it'll last forever.
Hawkings former plumber
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April 23rd, 2007, 10:51 PM
Quoting I think not
In the sea ITN follow a river and live the experiance. And the birds are in the sky in case you're wondering.
So with all this Global Warming melting go around where is all the water?
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April 23rd, 2007, 10:56 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
Not quite that simple. Softwood Lumber was never part of NAFTA. The US wanted softwood out of NAFTA and Canada wanted cultural issues out of NAFTA. You got what you asked for.
Dealing with the USA usually ends up in one being shafted (how free is free trade? Softwood lumber?). Simple as that.
Quoting L Gilbert
Markets dictate price not wishful thinking.
If they want our water (like they don't have any of their own), they should pay through their beaks for it.
Quoting L Gilbert
Look into your history and take a close look how many of your PM's tried "diversifying" your exports. Nobody is interested.
I've been saying for quite a few years now that Canada should goddam well develop more trade with others on the planet and quit relying so heavily on trade with the US. Ah, but no, things are comfy cozy as is. Stick with the status quo, it'll last forever.
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April 23rd, 2007, 10:57 PM
Quoting darkbeaver
Thanks for the heads up.
In the sea ITN follow a river and live the experiance. And the birds are in the sky in case you're wondering.
Les
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Location: 50 acres in Kootenays BC
April 23rd, 2007, 11:03 PM
Quoting I think not
Wrong. We got what pols settled for. Big diff.
Not quite that simple. Softwood Lumber was never part of NAFTA. The US wanted softwood out of NAFTA and Canada wanted cultural issues out of NAFTA. You got what you asked for.
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Demand dictates pricing. Why is fuel so high? There's no shortage. Canada has enough to last itself for another few hundred years. People are willing to pay the price so the price stays up.
Markets dictate price not wishful thinking.
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Countries change: like Russia, Venezuela, China. Even Canada isn't the same as it was in its history.
Look into your history and take a close look how many of your PM's tried "diversifying" your exports. Nobody is interested.
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April 23rd, 2007, 11:07 PM
Quoting L Gilbert
Either way, softwood lumber isn't part of NAFTA.
Wrong. We got what pols settled for. Big diff.
Quoting L Gilbert
I imagine because you don't have enough refining capacity, not to mention your inter-provincial trade barriers, and your whopping gas tax.
Demand dictates pricing. Why is fuel so high? There's no shortage. Canada has enough to last itself for another few hundred years. People are willing to pay the price so the price stays up.
Quoting L Gilbert
Well then what's stopping you?
Countries change: like Russia, Venezuela, China. Even Canada isn't the same as it was in its history.
Les
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April 23rd, 2007, 11:37 PM
Quoting I think not
I didn't say it was.
Either way, softwood lumber isn't part of NAFTA.
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You folks don't have high fuel prices?
I imagine because you don't have enough refining capacity, not to mention your inter-provincial trade barriers, and your whopping gas tax.
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It's happening, but not very quickly.
Well then what's stopping you?
the clan of the claw
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April 24th, 2007, 12:03 AM
refining capacity: have you researched the history of refining in canada? On the surface it has that "made in canada problem" appearance of the dumb canadian exploiting resources, and being exploited by those he sells it to.
our inter-provincial trade barriers are a serious issue that has not been addressed accordingly by our politicians. As with so much in Canada though, the provinces bicker amungst each other to the detriment of all.
Our gas taxes are not so whopping. the issue with our gas taxes is the same that there is with most of our taxes: the money goes into the government pool rather than being directed to programs related to what is being taxed.
Quoting I think not
I imagine because you don't have enough refining capacity, not to mention your inter-provincial trade barriers, and your whopping gas tax.
very pertinent points, i think not.I imagine because you don't have enough refining capacity, not to mention your inter-provincial trade barriers, and your whopping gas tax.
refining capacity: have you researched the history of refining in canada? On the surface it has that "made in canada problem" appearance of the dumb canadian exploiting resources, and being exploited by those he sells it to.
our inter-provincial trade barriers are a serious issue that has not been addressed accordingly by our politicians. As with so much in Canada though, the provinces bicker amungst each other to the detriment of all.
Our gas taxes are not so whopping. the issue with our gas taxes is the same that there is with most of our taxes: the money goes into the government pool rather than being directed to programs related to what is being taxed.
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April 24th, 2007, 09:18 AM
Quoting the caracal kid
On average (unless I am mistaken) one third of your gas prices goes towards taxes (federal & provincial), I would say that's whopping.
the issue with our gas taxes is the same that there is with most of our taxes: the money goes into the government pool rather than being directed to programs related to what is being taxed.
what green dots?
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April 24th, 2007, 09:59 AM
keeps Maude on her toes, though, don't it?
Quoting Kreskin
Other than the whole "the ecosystem probably needs a good chunk of it" thing I think we can come up with an inch or two of water levels to accomodate them but they better bring their chequebook. Until then I hope D'Aquino et al enjoy that little sandbox the politicos set up for them.
I heard somewhere that Canada has three-quarters of the world's supply of fresh water. Unless everyone here is really bloody thirsty...
keeps Maude on her toes, though, don't it?
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April 24th, 2007, 01:30 PM
We could build a half dozen water pipelines to the U.S. and sell our water wholesale. The problem is: How will we ever shut them off? Populations in the U.S. will grow and Canadian water will become a way of life that they would go to war to keep. Our water supply, like the oil, is not infinite. We shouldn't even be discussing this with them. Water should already be more valuable than oil.
We could build a half dozen water pipelines to the U.S. and sell our water wholesale. The problem is: How will we ever shut them off? Populations in the U.S. will grow and Canadian water will become a way of life that they would go to war to keep. Our water supply, like the oil, is not infinite. We shouldn't even be discussing this with them. Water should already be more valuable than oil.
