Scrapping the Internet

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Federally Funded Boffins Want To Scrap The Internet
Seeking further funding from Congress for "clean slate" projects

By Steve Watson

Global Research, April 18, 2007
Infowars.net




Researchers funded by the federal government want to shut down the internet and start over, citing the fact that at the moment there are loopholes in the system whereby users cannot be tracked and traced all the time.
Time magazine has reported that several foundations and universities including Rutgers, Stanford, Princeton, Carnegie Mellon and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology are pursuing individual projects, along with the Defense Department, in order to wipe out the current internet and replace it with a new network which will satisfy big business and government:​
One challenge in any reconstruction, though, will be balancing the interests of various constituencies. The first time around, researchers were able to toil away in their labs quietly. Industry is playing a bigger role this time, and law enforcement is bound to make its needs for wiretapping known.
There's no evidence they are meddling yet, but once any research looks promising, "a number of people (will) want to be in the drawing room," said Jonathan Zittrain, a law professor affiliated with Oxford and Harvard universities. "They'll be wearing coats and ties and spilling out of the venue."
The projects echo moves we have previously reported on to clamp down on internet neutrality and even to designate a new form of the internet known as Internet 2.


This would be a faster, more streamlined elite equivalent of the internet available to users who were willing to pay more for a much improved service. providers may only allow streaming audio and video on your websites if you were eligible for Internet 2.
Of course, Internet 2 would be greatly regulated and only "appropriate content" would be accepted by an FCC or government bureau. Everything else would be relegated to the "slow lane" internet, the junkyard as it were. Our techie rulers are all too keen to make us believe that the internet as we know it is ";already dead".


Google is just one of the major companies preparing for internet 2 by setting up hundreds of "server farms" through which eventually all our personal data - emails, documents, photographs, music, movies - will pass and reside.
However, experts state that the "clean slate" projects currently being undertaken go even further beyond projects like Internet2 and National LambdaRail, both of which focus primarily on next-generation needs for speed.


In tandem with broad data retention legislation currently being introduced worldwide, such "clean slate" projects may represent a considerable threat to the freedom of the internet as we know it. EU directives and US proposals for data retention may mean that any normal website or blog would have to fall into line with such new rules and suddenly total web regulation would become a reality.
In recent months, a chorus of propaganda intended to demonize the Internet and further lead it down a path of strict control has spewed forth from numerous establishment organs:

  • In a display of bi-partisanship, there have recently been calls for all out mandatory ISP snooping on all US citizens by both Democrats and Republicans alike.
  • Republican Senator John McCain recently tabled a proposal to introduce legislation that would fine blogs up to $300,000 for offensive statements, photos and videos posted by visitors on comment boards. It is well known that McCain has a distaste for his blogosphere critics, causing a definite conflict of interest where any proposal to restrict blogs on his part is concerned.
  • During an appearance with his wife Barbara on Fox News last November, George Bush senior slammed Internet bloggers for creating an "adversarial and ugly climate."
  • The White House's own recently de-classified strategy for "winning the war on terror" targets Internet conspiracy theories as a recruiting ground for terrorists and threatens to "diminish" their influence.
  • The Pentagon recently announced its effort to infiltrate the Internet and propagandize for the war on terror.
  • In a speech last October, Homeland Security director Michael Chertoff identified the web as a "terror training camp," through which "disaffected people living in the United States" are developing "radical ideologies and potentially violent skills." His solution is "intelligence fusion centers," staffed by Homeland Security personnel which will go into operation next year.
  • The U.S. Government wants to force bloggers and online grassroots activists to register and regularly report their activities to Congress. Criminal charges including a possible jail term of up to one year could be the punishment for non-compliance.
  • A landmark legal case on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America and other global trade organizations seeks to criminalize all Internet file sharing of any kind as copyright infringement, effectively shutting down the world wide web - and their argument is supported by the U.S. government.
  • A landmark legal ruling in Sydney goes further than ever before in setting the trap door for the destruction of the Internet as we know it and the end of alternative news websites and blogs by creating the precedent that simply linking to other websites is breach of copyright and piracy.
  • The European Union, led by former Stalinist and potential future British Prime Minister John Reid, has also vowed to shut down "terrorists" who use the Internet to spread propaganda.
  • The EU data retention bill, passed last year after much controversy and with implementation tabled for late 2007, obliges telephone operators and internet service providers to store information on who called who and who emailed who for at least six months. Under this law, investigators in any EU country, and most bizarrely even in the US, can access EU citizens' data on phone calls, sms', emails and instant messaging services.
  • The EU also recently proposed legislation that would prevent users from uploading any form of video without a license.
  • The US government is also funding research into social networking sites and how to gather and store personal data published on them, according to the New Scientist magazine. "At the same time, US lawmakers are attempting to force the social networking sites themselves to control the amount and kind of information that people, particularly children, can put on the sites."
We are being led to believe that a vast army of maniac pedophiles or terrorists are on the loose and we must do away with all forms of privacy in order to stop them. This is akin to saying that blanket cctv prevents crime. As if to say "if we film everyone all the time, even innocent people, then no one will ever commit any crimes."
Increasingly we are seeing this in every aspect of our lives. Recording, tracking and retaining our data in the name of keeping us all safe. Everyone is now treated as guilty until proven innocent.
Make no mistake, the internet, one of the greatest outposts of free speech ever created is under constant attack by powerful people who cannot operate within a society where information flows freely and unhindered. Both American and European moves mimic stories we hear every week out of State Controlled Communist China, where the internet is strictly regulated and virtually exists as its own entity away from the rest of the web.


The Internet is freedom's best friend and the bane of control freaks. Its eradication is one of the short term goals of those that seek to centralize power and subjugate their populations under a surveillance panopticon prison, whether that be in Communist China, Neoconservative America or the Neofascist EU.




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lol do you mean "scrapping" the internet? I'm not meaning to mock you but it made me laugh because a friend of mine refers to a certain broswer as "netscrape"
 

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personally I am dead-set against any re-vamping of the internet. I think the only reason it's such a free and open forum is because the bastards didnt get their hands on it, and that's because it rose up ad-hoc, without much forethought and with little expectation that it'd become so huge. It causes problems I know but nowhere near as many problems as would be caused by companies like miscrosh|te getting involved.
 

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personally I am dead-set against any re-vamping of the internet. I think the only reason it's such a free and open forum is because the bastards didnt get their hands on it, and that's because it rose up ad-hoc, without much forethought and with little expectation that it'd become so huge. It causes problems I know but nowhere near as many problems as would be caused by companies like miscrosh|te getting involved.

My feelings as well Herm, I was reading an essay that said many people are turning away from the controled MSM to the internet where they feel they have a better chance of informing themselves about the issues, this represents a very big problem to the present system of political and corporate management in that it means democratic thought and action is enhanced beyond the ruling systems ability to manufacture consent and present the necessary illusions. Even with all its faults it's the finest reserch and education tool ever devised, this is a grave danger to them.Further to that a forum such as CC also affords an individual like me to expand his/her areas of inquiry in that many issues we are not even aware of become known, so I quess it tears down isolation and enhances participation in a democratic manner not subject to normal control mechanisms which tend to bent everything toward the ruling ideas.
 
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personally I am dead-set against any re-vamping of the internet. I think the only reason it's such a free and open forum is because the bastards didnt get their hands on it, and that's because it rose up ad-hoc, without much forethought and with little expectation that it'd become so huge. It causes problems I know but nowhere near as many problems as would be caused by companies like miscrosh|te getting involved.

Honestly, I can't even comprehend how its possible. Let's say they completely control all the router's in the world. Then I call up my friend in Iran using my modem and connect to his computer and set up a de facto (albeit low bandwith) route that they don't control, destroying their plan. Its just not feasible in my mind. The internet became global faster than any government could seek to limit its scope. It belongs to no one in particular. I don't think that is ideological, just realistic.

Besides, lets say the government tells ISP's they must retain data on all transactions for a certain amount of time. So everything you do is recorded. Meanwhile, the service provider has terabytes of data sitting around which takes an enormous amount of time to do anything with, even if they know which ip address belongs to you, they have to search through billions of entries to find yours. I have been connected for 5 hours today and have sent 500 000 packets and received the same amount. Multiply by the number of people they service and the number of hours which they are connected for, who cares! They don't have the time to spy on me. For every person they want to spy on, they will need more than 10 people watching them. Poor ISP's, that is a terrible burden.
 

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The only way the US government could shut down the internet is by turning off the root DNS servers... that is very unlikely to happen though. Even if they root servers were shut down, lower tier DNS servers would still operate, new domains wouldn't be able to propogate downwards though.
 

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It appears that most people don't want the freedoms we have now to be eroded. Personally, I hate this kind of grab for control, for the sole purpose of control.
 

DurkaDurka

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I would fear the major ISP's which own the fat pipelines turning the internet into multiple tiered service opposed to government meddling.
 

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My feelings as well Herm, I was reading an essay that said many people are turning away from the controled MSM to the internet where they feel they have a better chance of informing themselves about the issues, .......... so I quess it tears down isolation and enhances participation in a democratic manner not subject to normal control mechanisms which tend to bent everything toward the ruling ideas.
Well said, Beav.
 

Niflmir

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I would fear the major ISP's which own the fat pipelines turning the internet into multiple tiered service opposed to government meddling.

This sort of already exists in some places. I can't remember which University it was, but I was talking to some librarian and they informed me of this. They subscribed to three different service providers. One was an educational access network that gave them insanely high speed service to other Universities and educational institutes in North American at a really low cost. Then there was the government service network. Finally there was the commercial, open internet. A different fee was paid to each for a different bandwidth on each.

The real question is, what are ISP's selling? If they are selling the internet to us, then they shouldn't be able to accept money from companies to selectively send us to their sites. If they are selling us to these companies, then I don't think I should have to pay to be a product. I have this same problem with newspapers. Why should I have to pay to become the product for the media to sell to corporations? They should either choose money from adverts or money from subscribers, not both.
 

DurkaDurka

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This sort of already exists in some places. I can't remember which University it was, but I was talking to some librarian and they informed me of this. They subscribed to three different service providers. One was an educational access network that gave them insanely high speed service to other Universities and educational institutes in North American at a really low cost. Then there was the government service network. Finally there was the commercial, open internet. A different fee was paid to each for a different bandwidth on each.

The real question is, what are ISP's selling? If they are selling the internet to us, then they shouldn't be able to accept money from companies to selectively send us to their sites. If they are selling us to these companies, then I don't think I should have to pay to be a product. I have this same problem with newspapers. Why should I have to pay to become the product for the media to sell to corporations? They should either choose money from adverts or money from subscribers, not both.

The ISP's have little or no oversight on what they do with the services they provide.Already, major ISP's use packet shaping to limit the bandwidth of certains types of traffic, namely P2P & Torrnets. While I can understand ISP's wanting to preserve bandwidth for all customers, they have instituted a blanket approach which limits many legitimate softwares which uses Torrents as as their way of updating patches etc. There was a work around for this problem by setting the Torrent client to listen on the ports which unnamed ISP uses for their VOIP service, since those ports are not throttled.
 

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Lets ban guns, lets shut down the internet, lets curtail our freedom of speech in case someone gets offended, lets ban offensive books, lets be a pack of happy-slappy slave mentality sheeple.

I need a drink and the people supporting this trash need to be deported to North Korea.
 

eh1eh

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Lets ban guns, lets shut down the internet, lets curtail our freedom of speech in case someone gets offended, lets ban offensive books, lets be a pack of happy-slappy slave mentality sheeple.

I need a drink and the people supporting this trash need to be deported to North Korea.

HE HE, HA HA. Excellent consise rant dude.:cool:
 

westmanguy

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Question: How would the new internet be different?

We are all so against it... but what would be different, I want to know that.

If its just redo the internet to give control, then no.
 

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Give us alternative sources of information ITN, be nice and share your sources of wisdom with us, I for one will read them. Or are you afraid to point to your own wells.:lol:
I know you will, and on occassion I do also. The difference is, I go back and check what they have said in the past, and as usual it's all drivel. Use your brains.