Socialism Destroying America

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‘We Must Resist!'

Former Congresswoman McKinney delivered the following remarks at a March 2 fundraiser for Pacifica Radio station KPFK, in Los Angeles

By Cynthia McKinney

"Voting is necessary, but it isn't enough to get the kind of change we must now demand"

03/15/07 "BAR" -- -- I'm hoping there are some folks here tonight who have never been to an event like this before. I'm hoping that people are so moved by their own intolerable circumstances that they are now willing to do something different in order to get something they've never had before.

For, in order to solve the massive problems this country now has, it can no longer be business as usual for a critical mass of us.

Whether it's the thawing tundra in Siberia or the melting glaciers in Greenland, our contribution to global warming is something that must be dealt with.

Whether it's the massive amounts of money we spend on the war machine or the fact that we still don't know what happened on September 11th, the values and priorities of the American people must be reflected in the public policy we pursue. I do not believe that is the case today and there are specific reasons why.

I have long said that the black body politic is comatose: unable to sustain itself after the massive infusion of COINTELPRO-type "clean Negroes" who don't truly provide representation for a body of people in need.

Unfortunately, now, the entire American body politic is in dire straits, too.

"The black body politic is comatose."

I have also said that the prescription for the black body politic is radical surgery. So, too, now, I believe, is the case with the American body politic.
The extreme corruption of our political system by the greedy, unseen hand that comfortably operates in the backrooms of power is turning our heroes into caricatures of themselves.

Why can't we know the truth about 9/11 and this war on terror?

Why can't we immediately repeal the Secret Evidence Law, the Patriot Act, and the Military Tribunals Act?

Why can't we get back that 2.3 trillion dollars Rumsfeld admits is missing and use it to fully fund education and health care and infrastructure?

They're asking poor, devastated university students to return their Hurricane Katrina money, but I don't see anyone going after Blackwater mercenaries, the law enforcement officials who took federal money and then denied Katrina survivors safe passage over public thoroughfares. They're not going after the Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff whose incompetent behavior directly led to the delayed response, causing as-yet unmitigated pain and suffering on the people of New Orleans, and whose continued bumbling results in one of the largest depopulations of an American city in memory.

Why can't we know if there were explosions along the levies, as historically was done before to safeguard certain parts of New Orleans?

The reason we can't get answers to our questions and doubts linger is because our leadership today just isn't what it used to be.

The current state of black America didn't arise only because of Republican policies. Despite the election of thousands of black elected officials since passage of the Voting Rights Act, nearly half of the black men in New York City between the ages of 16 and 64 are unemployed - according to the New York Times. It will take 200 years for black Chicagoans to catch up to the quality of life enjoyed by white Chicagoans - according to a Hull House/Loyola University report. It will take 1,664 years for blacks in this country to achieve a homeownership rate equal to that of whites; racial disparities on infant mortality, family income, unemployment, police stops, imprisonment, and more, have not been eliminated and in some cases are worse today than at the time of the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

People of color have less wealth, less net worth, work longer hours with insecure pensions and stagnant wages.

And now all Americans do, too!

We have got to do something different because we can't stand any more of this.
So what are we to do?


Just voting isn't enough. Voting is necessary, but it isn't enough to get the kind of change we must now demand. We have to change the structure within which we cast our vote.

We must have a different kind of leadership than is possible now without the kind of change I'm talking about.

"It will take 1,664 years for blacks in this country to achieve a homeownership rate equal to that of whites."

This is revolutionary in its impact.

And so, I will be fought even more fiercely than I've already been fought, and all I wanted to do was improve the lot of people of color in the U.S. and around the world; institute the kind of respect for human rights at home and abroad that would change the policies of our government toward the global community, including the American people; and make the U.S. government accountable to the taxpayers for the way it spends their dollars. Now, that's all I wanted to do. And you see what's happened to me!

So, what I have in mind won't be easy. But it will be worth it. And, I believe, it's possible to achieve.

Now, it would be nice if we could count on someone else to do it for us. And we would all join that person and make it happen. But, I reluctantly say that if no one else will do it, then I guess I'll have to do that, too!
Just like the Articles of Impeachment.

Finally, I have complete belief in the young people of our country and their ability to lead the kind of change that I'm talking about.

After all, it was the young people from just a few generations ago who faced attack dogs, water hoses, police beatings, and lynch mobs. They sat in at lunch counters across the country and stood up for our country.

And they won. And I know we all can do it again.

Now, should you ever waiver in your faith, just acknowledge this:

The world's most marginalized and dispossessed are already ahead of us in taking their countries back! Of course, starting in 1959 with Cuba, but then Venezuela, Cote d'Ivoire, Brazil, Argentina, Spain, India, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, Haiti, and Nicaragua all have stood up to imperial domination - and won!

In the meantime, we have to demand more from our representatives. How can you be against war if you finance war? And how can you be against George Bush if you won't impeach him?

"We will build a broad-based, rainbow movement for justice and peace."

The American people are being fed madness as sanity. But, this is not Oz, Wonderland, the Twilight Zone, and it's not 1984!

With every fiber in our being we must resist. Resist like Mario Savio told us to resist: with our entire bodies against the gears and the wheels and the levers of the machine.

We must resist because we claim no partnership in war crimes, genocide, torture, or crimes against humanity. We claim no complicity in crimes against the American people.

We will build a broad-based, rainbow movement for justice and peace. And we will win.

I want to thank Dedon, Adrienne Cole (my former Chief of Staff), Anastasia King (Producer of American Blackout), Tracy Larkins (my scheduler, host, and everything assistant), and all the people associated with this program, and all of you for supporting it. Cynthia McKinney can be contacted through her web site, All Things McKinney













 

tamarin

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Katrina, like all such disasters, draws in flies. If money has been illegally obtained it's the duty of the government to attempt to recover it.
And minorities? Some minorities flourish. And they flourish because of cultural predispositions in their communities. If the black community has complaints they should first ask what other minorities are doing differently that they get such different results.
 

darkbeaver

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Katrina, like all such disasters, draws in flies. If money has been illegally obtained it's the duty of the government to attempt to recover it.
And minorities? Some minorities flourish. And they flourish because of cultural predispositions in their communities. If the black community has complaints they should first ask what other minorities are doing differently that they get such different results.
I believe the speaker did point to courses of action leading to the alliviation of cultural predispositions seen to be problems, she mentioned other constituancys that had taken affrimative action to rectify capital plunder.I think the person has what it takes to start a revolution or even better a civil war, and the weapons economy can still function undeterred, think of the massive fuel savings to be had consumeing the weapons in the same country as manufacture. I can see only the rapid reduction of customers as a temporary problem which could be dealt with by relaxing the regulations regarding the influx of spanish speaking consumers. She'd make a good presidente'.:)
 

westmanguy

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FYI: Socialism, in a scewed version, is a far-left, far-liberal value!

Support all citizens with monthly paychecks, health, ensure employment, the gov.does this and that and takes over every aspect of our lives...
 

Karlin

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Corporatism VS Socialism

Socialism, and the solidarity it brings citizens, is in such short supply in the USA that it sounds rather silly to say "socialism is destroying America". What Socialism???

Look to Venezuela to see socialism at work, bring healthy changes to ALL citizens and not simply supporting the investment-profit cycle of corporatists and the Elite Wealthy class. The role of a socialist government is to regulate corporations and prevent abuses of people or environment. We now are seeing the tragic results of NOT having a socialist government in Canada or the USA for many years - global warming, wars for oil, and increasing economic inequality and the social ills that that brings with it [addictions, depression, ill health, etc]. .

Socialism is about reducing the negative efects of having a society that divides citizens from each other ; pitting them against each other economically will certainly have the effect of dividing them socially - look, see, this is what we have.
 

CDNBear

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Somewhere in the middle of capitalism vs socialism, there must be some even ground.

Capitalism as is sold by the US is, out of control, socialism as has been historically displayed, has been a dismal failure. The infant socialist regime in Venezuela, is a retro glimps of the National Socialist political party. First we sell our brand of governance to the people, then we slowly remove their ablity to speak out against our total rule*.

Seems a lot like capitalism at its worst, if you ask me.

*, http://www.newsbull.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=2355098 . http://www.unknownnews.org/070106-Chavez-RCTV.html . http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/04/12/venezu8423.htm .

Seems socialist history is revisiting itself.
 

Toro

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Capitalism as is sold by the US is, out of control,

Bear

Take a look at this site

http://www.oecd.org/topicstatsportal/0,2647,en_2825_495698_1_1_1_1_1,00.html

Scroll down to the bottom of the page and download the excel file EO80. In it, there is a page detailing government spending to GDP by country. Here are a few, for 2006


US 36.5%
Canada 39.5%
France 53.5%
Germany 45.1%
Ireland 34.9%
Japan 36.3%
Korea 29.8%
Switzerland 36.5%
UK 45.3%
Average OECD 40.6%

So this idea of rapacious capitalism in the US is a bit overblown.
 

CDNBear

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Bear

Take a look at this site

http://www.oecd.org/topicstatsportal/0,2647,en_2825_495698_1_1_1_1_1,00.html

Scroll down to the bottom of the page and download the excel file EO80. In it, there is a page detailing government spending to GDP by country. Here are a few, for 2006


US 36.5%
Canada 39.5%
France 53.5%
Germany 45.1%
Ireland 34.9%
Japan 36.3%
Korea 29.8%
Switzerland 36.5%
UK 45.3%
Average OECD 40.6%

So this idea of rapacious capitalism in the US is a bit overblown.
Though I ment the theology or driving forces behind the US's version capitalism, perhaps I should have used the term "Imperialism?

I appreciate your attempt to enlighten me. I do appreciate your knowledge. But I feel I must ask, why is it "me", one of the least socialist posters in this thread, you felt was in need of this education?
 

darkbeaver

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Socialism, and the solidarity it brings citizens, is in such short supply in the USA that it sounds rather silly to say "socialism is destroying America". What Socialism???

Look to Venezuela to see socialism at work, bring healthy changes to ALL citizens and not simply supporting the investment-profit cycle of corporatists and the Elite Wealthy class. The role of a socialist government is to regulate corporations and prevent abuses of people or environment. We now are seeing the tragic results of NOT having a socialist government in Canada or the USA for many years - global warming, wars for oil, and increasing economic inequality and the social ills that that brings with it [addictions, depression, ill health, etc]. .

Socialism is about reducing the negative efects of having a society that divides citizens from each other ; pitting them against each other economically will certainly have the effect of dividing them socially - look, see, this is what we have.

America is big capitalisms bastion, socialism has always been the enemy,socialism is eroding the position of capitalism in the nations you mentioned. Many billions of dollars and lives have been spent over the last decades to prevent that erosion. The socialist tipping point has been reached in America, something it has been trying to do for the entire history of the country. Destroying America is inflamatory language used by the present rulers for decades, it is more acurate to say socialism will rebuild America.It depends on the meaning of America, democratic revolution results in socialism.It takes a lot of money to suppress that fact.
 

darkbeaver

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Bear

Take a look at this site

http://www.oecd.org/topicstatsportal/0,2647,en_2825_495698_1_1_1_1_1,00.html

Scroll down to the bottom of the page and download the excel file EO80. In it, there is a page detailing government spending to GDP by country. Here are a few, for 2006


US 36.5%
Canada 39.5%
France 53.5%
Germany 45.1%
Ireland 34.9%
Japan 36.3%
Korea 29.8%
Switzerland 36.5%
UK 45.3%
Average OECD 40.6%

So this idea of rapacious capitalism in the US is a bit overblown.

The socialist hordes can't eat your numbers or live under them and they'll laugh you off the stage if you tell them thier poverty is illusion not supported by the numbers.Will that be statistical fries or a statistical half baked potatoe with your medium rare numbers sir.haha ha haha:smile:
 
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Toro

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I appreciate your attempt to enlighten me. I do appreciate your knowledge. But I feel I must ask, why is it "me", one of the least socialist posters in this thread, you felt was in need of this education?

This was the tag that I had meant to include which I see I didn't.

Somewhere in the middle of capitalism vs socialism, there must be some even ground.

That's what I was addressing.

My point is that we pretty much are at middle ground. All economies are mixed economies. The only matter is degree.
 

Karlin

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meaning you agree with me?
Those stats are fallacious. [yes, I spelled it correctly BEFORE I spelled it wrong - John Kerry]