Muslims: Ban un- Islamic schools. . . .

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21/02/07
By Gabriel Milland

http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1264



DEMANDS for a ban on “un-Islamic” activities in schools will be set out by the Muslim Council of Britain today.

Targets include playground games, swimming lessons, school plays, parents’ evenings and even vaccinations.

And the calls for all children to be taught in Taliban-style conditions will be launched with the help of a senior Government education adviser.

Professor Tim Brighouse, chief adviser to London schools, was due to attend the event at the capital’s biggest mosque.

His presence there was seen as “deeply worrying”, and a sign that the report was backed by the Government.

Tory MP Greg Hands said: “The MCB needs to realise it has to move closer to the rest of the community, not away from it.

“The presence of Tim Brighouse implies Government back*ing of this report. This is very worrying.”

Terry Sanderson of the National Secular Society said the report was a “recipe for disaster”.

He added: “Schools with even just a handful of Muslim kids will find they have to follow these guidelines because there aren’t the staff to have one set of classes for Muslims and another for the rest.

“The MCB shouldn’t try to force its religious agenda on children who may not want it. The Government needs to send the MCB packing. Schools should be about teaching, not preaching.”

The report, Towards Greater Understanding – Meeting The Needs of Muslim Pupils In State Schools, says all schools should bring in effective bans for all pupils on “un-Islamic activities” like dance classes.

It also wants to limit certain activities during Ramadan. They include science lessons dealing with sex, parents’ evenings, exams and immunisation programmes.

The holy month – when eating and drinking is not allowed in daylight hours – should also see a ban on swimming lessons in case pupils swallow water in
the pool.

When swimming is allowed, boys should wear clothing covering their bodies “from the navel to the neck”, even during single-sex pool sessions, while girls must be covered up completely at all times, apart from the face and hands.

The MCB adds that schools should ensure contact sports, including football and basketball, “are always in single-gender groups”.

Even school trips are targeted in the report, which wants them all to be made single-sex “to encourage greater participation from Muslim pupils”.

It wants Arabic language classes for Muslim pupils, and says the Koran should be recited in music classes. And all schools should ensure they have prayer rooms with washing facilities attached, it says.

In art classes, Muslim children should not be allowed to draw people, as this is forbidden under some interpretations of Islamic law.

And while the MCB insists that all British children should learn about Islam, it wants Muslims to have the right to withdraw their children from RE lessons dealing with Christianity and other faiths.

The MCB says special treatment and opt-outs are necessary because otherwise Muslim pupils will feel excluded from school activities and lessons.

The MCB claims to be the voice of Britain’s 1.5million Muslims and was heavily courted by politicians including Tony Blair following the September 11 attacks. Its former secretary-general Iqbal Sacranie was awarded a knighthood in 2005.

But other Muslim groups criticised the report. Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui of the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain said: “There has been no discussion on these issues in the Muslim community.”

And the Sufi Muslim Council – which claims to represent far more British Muslims than the MCB – said the report misunderstood Ramadan.

It added: “This is not what Islam or Ramadan is about. Ramadan is about training yourself while carrying on with everyday life.”

The Department for Edu*cation tried to distance itself from the report last night, and insisted Professor Brighouse was attending the launch only in a “personal capacity”.

A spokesman said it would read the report “with interest”.

The MCB did not comment.

It came as Britain's first Muslim peer called for women to stop wearing veils, claiming that they represent “a barrier to integration”.

Reigniting the debate over the face veil, or niqab, Lord Ahmed of Rotherham said there was no religious reason why Muslim women should wear them – and claimed that veils now cause society more harm than good.

The peer, who has urged the authorities to clamp down on preachers of hate, spoke during a debate held in the heart of the Arab world.

He told a mainly Muslim audience in Doha, Qatar, that he does not want a legal ban on the veil being worn in public – as many other nations are introducing, including Muslim Turkey and Egypt.

But he said: “The face veil is a barrier to integration in the West. The veil is now a mark of separation, segregation and defiance against mainstream British culture.

“There’s nothing in the Koran to say that wearing a niqab is desirable, let alone compulsory. It’s purely cultural. It’s an identity thing which has been misinterpreted.

“They were supposed to be worn so that women wouldn’t be harassed. But women, and communities as a whole, are now being harassed because they are wearing them."

The Muslim Council of Britain’s assistant secretary
general, Inayat Bunglawala, said yesterday: “Peoples’ attitudes are responsible for harming integration, not veils.
Surely if these nutters don't like the rules they should remove their spawn and place them in a Muzzie skool - or, better yet, send back to whence they came - regardless of how they came. . . .
 

Sparrow

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I don't care about British school either but if it is true it just show how far the radicals will go. Have you read about the reassonnable accommodations here is Quebec? Here it is not just about certain Muslims but about the H.Jewish community and the Shieks (spelling?)also. When you move to a new country, you leave your old country ways behind. If we moved to their countries we sure would have to follow their ways, there is no choice.
 

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It has been proven over and over ... isolation and separation create misunderstanding and racism

If the Islamic Community with to separate and even worse - dictate how the western nations must accommodate their wishes by revising their own cultural norms.... they are creating future emnity.

Bending over cultures who try to please and change to suit the newcomers' demands, will find their faces in the dirt when bending over is no longer possible....

Understanding and sharing and accommodation for all in equality.... must be insisted on and practiced by all.
 

EagleSmack

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I wonder if you would be demanding tolerance, had Christian schools begun to ban Islamic study material.

Somehow, I doubt it.

Tolerance is a one way street wrt Muslims and Liberals.

To sum it up...

"When they are in our countries we will tolerate their values, religion, culture. When we are in their countries our values, religion, and culture will NOT be tolerated."
 
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Daz_Hockey

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Well now that tends to stand to reason. Do you think they are 'bending' too far?:wave:

My country always bends too far with issues such as this. Bare in mind my friend Richard Ellery ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/tributes/page/0,,1530986,00.html ) so you understand what problem I have with demands such as these.

Britain is now a multi-cultural society, they cannot be seen to go "all out" for one religion over another. That would be wrong, and while they have been forced to remove the morning worship and hyms, they cannot be seen to allow such favouritism.

unless, of course Britain is to become a muslim state.
 

karra

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Islamofascism know no tolerance.

But,

they do know how to subjugate their woemen - must step into a burqa each and every day - must accommodate their husbands wishes and demands - must cook on an open fire in a hut with a smoke opening - must not acquire an education - must remain chained;



you get the idea. . . .
 
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hermanntrude

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here we go again, bashing the muslems. it's not really about tolerance or how bad we all think mulems are. The problem stems from religion taking power over such things as education and government. This would be the same problem if it were any other religion.
 

Daz_Hockey

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here we go again, bashing the muslems. it's not really about tolerance or how bad we all think mulems are. The problem stems from religion taking power over such things as education and government. This would be the same problem if it were any other religion.

you mean *Muslim's right?....problem is, in islam, religion, education and government are one in the same thing...it's called sha'ria law dude.
 

karra

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Come now herman,

surely you realise you have been subjugated and are now nothing other than an apologist for those who would and will perhaps one day tell you exactly how to dress and behave re all aspects of your life - as an infidel (that's an assumption natch) you have the option of accepting Islam, thereby avoiding a death by stoning or beheading - these nuts have one objective - some here welcome that and them - others will fight for their rights and freedoms. . . .
 

Daz_Hockey

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Come now herman,

surely you realise you have been subjugated and are now nothing other than an apologist for those who would and will perhaps one day tell you exactly how to dress and behave re all aspects of your life - as an infidel (that's an assumption natch) you have the option of accepting Islam, thereby avoiding a death by stoning or beheading - these nuts have one objective - some here welcome that and them - others will fight for their rights and freedoms. . . .

the term is Kaffir.
 

karra

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Perhaps this will help and assist. . . .

Kaffir;

Disparaging and Offensive. (in South Africa) a black person: originally used of the Xhosa people only.

Infidel;

in·fi·del
/ˈɪn
dl, -ˌdɛl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-fi-dl, -del] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun
1.Religion. a.a person who does not accept a particular faith, esp. Christianity. b.(in Christian use) an unbeliever, esp. a Muslim. c.(in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir. 2.a person who has no religious faith; unbeliever. 3.(loosely) a person who disbelieves or doubts a particular theory, belief, creed, etc.; skeptic. –adjective 4.not accepting a particular faith, esp. Christianity or Islam; heathen. 5.without religious faith. 6.due to or manifesting unbelief: infidel ideas. 7.rejecting the Christian religion while accepting no other; not believing in the Bible or any Christian divine revelation.

Hope that helps. . . .