McVeigh had high level help

darkbeaver

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Affidavit: McVeigh had high-level helpAccording to Oklahoma bombing conspirator, ranking officials were involved in the attackBy Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune

Salt Lake TribuneArticle Last Updated:02/21/2007 01:03:43 AM MST
Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official "apparently" was directing Timothy McVeigh in the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack, according to a new affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Utah.
The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government "in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma," Nichols claims in a Feb. 9 affidavit.
Documents that supposedly help back up his allegations have been sealed to protect information in them, such as Social Security numbers and dates of birth.
The U.S. Attorney's Office in Utah had no comment on the allegations. The FBI and Justice Department in Washington, D.C., also declined comment.
Nichols does not say what motive the government would have to be involved in the bombing.
The affidavit was filed in a lawsuit brought by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue, who believes his brother's death in a federal prison was linked to the Oklahoma City bombing. The suit, which seeks documents from the FBI under the federal Freedom of Information Act, alleges that authorities mistook Kenneth Trentadue for a bombing conspirator and that guards killed him in an interrogation that got out of hand.
Trentadue's death a few months after the April 19, 1995, bombing was ruled a suicide after several investigations. The government has adamantly denied any wrongdoing in the death.
In his affidavit, Nichols says he wants to bring closure to the survivors and families of the attack on the Alfred B. Murrah Federal Building, which took 168 lives. He alleges he wrote then-Attorney General John Ashcroft in 2004, offering to help identify all parties who played a role in the bombing but never got a reply.
Nichols is serving a life sentence at the U.S. Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility in Florence, Colo. McVeigh, who carried out the bombing, was executed in 2001.
McVeigh and Nichols were the only defendants indicted in the bombing. However, Nichols alleges others were involved.
McVeigh told him he was recruited for undercover missions while serving in the military, according to Nichols. He says he learned sometime in 1995 that there had been a change in bombing target and that McVeigh was upset by that.
"There, in what I believe was an accidental slip of the tongue, McVeigh revealed the identity of a high-ranking FBI official who was apparently directing McVeigh in the bomb plot," Nichols says in the affidavit.
Nichols also says that McVeigh threatened him and his family to force him to rob Roger Moore, an Arkansas gun dealer, of weapons and explosives. He later learned the robbery was staged so Moore, who was in on the phony heist, could deny any knowledge of the bombing plot if the stolen items were traced back to him, Nichols claims.
He adds that Moore allegedly told his attorney that he would not be prosecuted in connection with the bombing because he was a "protected witness."
Moore could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
In addition, Nichols says McVeigh must have had help building the bomb. The device he and McVeigh built the day before the bombing did not resemble the one that ultimately was used, Nichols says, and "displayed a level of expertise and sophistication" that neither man had.
pmanson@sltrib.com
 

lieexpsr

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Oh no...as if all the 9/11 conspiracy theories weren't enough!

Do you think that's insulting to another's opinion, that's assuming that it is darkbeaver's opinion, and I do because he is the one who posted it?

I'm trying to imagine what would happen if someone made that comment after a religious person posted something to do with his religious beliefs. It's not that it matters a whole lot but it's interesting to me to just think about such things and how we can be trapped into having to respect that which we don't think deserves respect. Religion in my case.

Just an idea which one of the moderators would like to comment on here?
 

snfu73

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Man...one get's slammed when one makes a joke. I don't know. Who knows really? Could what the article says be true? Possibly. It does have that same tone as the conspiracy theories that surround 9/11. I can't say I subscribe to any of those theories, but I will say that people have put alot of thought and effort into them, whether they have any merit or not. Can I say honestly who did what, when, why and how? Nope. I have no clue. But the article does have that conspiracy theory tone that surrounds 9/11, and that was what I was addressing more than darkbeaver's beliefs. He didn't state his, so I have no clue what he thought about it. So, all I could do was address the article...and I did.
 

snfu73

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Do you think that's insulting to another's opinion, that's assuming that it is darkbeaver's opinion, and I do because he is the one who posted it?

I'm trying to imagine what would happen if someone made that comment after a religious person posted something to do with his religious beliefs. It's not that it matters a whole lot but it's interesting to me to just think about such things and how we can be trapped into having to respect that which we don't think deserves respect. Religion in my case.

Just an idea which one of the moderators would like to comment on here?
Um...so, I can't express my opinion? I see the article posted as being a conspiracy theory. You wish me to be censored? One person can express their opinion, but another cannot? That reeks of fascist thinking, dude. I read the article, and expressed my opinion on it. You don't have to agree with me. But, keep in mind, these are DISCUSSION FORUMS...we are here to DISCUSS...and I presented my opinion. If you have a problem with that, maybe discussion forums aren't your place to be?
 

darkbeaver

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Man...one get's slammed when one makes a joke. I don't know. Who knows really? Could what the article says be true? Possibly. It does have that same tone as the conspiracy theories that surround 9/11. I can't say I subscribe to any of those theories, but I will say that people have put alot of thought and effort into them, whether they have any merit or not. Can I say honestly who did what, when, why and how? Nope. I have no clue. But the article does have that conspiracy theory tone that surrounds 9/11, and that was what I was addressing more than darkbeaver's beliefs. He didn't state his, so I have no clue what he thought about it. So, all I could do was address the article...and I did.

Relax man, you see the smilely little thingys in me post right, I be presenting the post just for your consideration and if you should feel the need to slam then slam away me no care it be fun sometime eh.:laughing7::laughing7::wave:
 

snfu73

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Relax man, you see the smilely little thingys in me post right, I be presenting the post just for your consideration and if you should feel the need to slam then slam away me no care it be fun sometime eh.:laughing7::laughing7::wave:
Don't worry, I'm not mad at you...the other guy ruffled my feathers...but not you. I think it was a good article to present and one that can inspire interesting conversation.
 

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He's a feather ruffler of some expertise. I think his mum was frightened by a traviling old time revival show.:laughing7::laughing7::wave:
Why won't it let me give you more points dammit!!!

rotflmffao!!!

Great post beav!!!

I liked the article too, reminded me of all the time I spent sitting in the docket waiting to be arraigned. You would not believe some of the stories people will cook up to get out of trouble or take someone down with them, the pussies.
 

snfu73

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I also have to clarify that most of my discussion forum time has been spent in places like myspace and nexopia where it's ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK. I think I'm still in that mode. Everyone is saying "Whoa, dude, chill out", and I'm like "But, I'm chilled?". I think I just gotta get used to the way this place works...and the tone of things.