11 more Republicans get behind Iraq rebuke

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The lawmakers take to the House floor to show support, reflecting the rising anxiety within the GOP over the war.
By Richard Simon and James Gerstenzang, Times Staff Writers
February 15, 2007


WASHINGTON — In a striking display of dissension, a group of Republican lawmakers broke ranks with the White House on Wednesday and embraced a resolution opposing more U.S. troops in Iraq — airing their criticism even as President Bush publicly defended his plan.

Bush questioned the message that expected House approval of the nonbinding resolution would send, saying at a news conference: "People are watching what happens here in America. The enemy listens to what's happening. The Iraqi people listen to the words…. They're wondering about our commitment to this cause."

Undaunted, 11 GOP lawmakers, including normally staunch Bush allies who represent districts he carried in his presidential campaigns, took to the House floor to express their support for a Democratic-sponsored resolution renouncing Bush's decision to add 21,500 troops to the roughly 135,000 already in Iraq.

The Republicans complained that the U.S. military finds itself in the middle of a civil war, that the Iraqis haven't done enough to make their country safe and that a "surge" in diplomacy — not troops — is needed.

"The Iraqis don't want us there," said Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.). "We're viewed as part of the problem, not the solution."

Rep. Ric Keller (R-Fla.) likened the U.S. mission in Iraq to dealing with a neighbor who refuses to mow his lawn.

"You mow his lawn for him every single week. The neighbor never says thank you, he hates you, and sometimes he takes out a gun and shoots at you," he said. "Under these circumstances, would you keep mowing his lawn forever?"

The House is scheduled to vote Friday on the resolution, which is likely to pass with virtually unanimous support from the chamber's 233 Democrats and backing from 20 to 30 — and perhaps more — of its 201 Republicans. What remains unclear is how many GOP war critics will get behind the next step in the debate — Democratic efforts to go beyond symbolic opposition to Bush's pursuit of his Iraq policy.

Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) is set today to announce a strategy for imposing limits on Bush's ability to carry out the troop increase.

Murtha, chairman of the appropriations defense subcommittee, is expected to propose tying funding for the deployment to requiring that every unit sent to Iraq meet strict readiness standards of training and equipment — standards often sidestepped now, at a time when the military has been stretched thin.

Murtha's proposal is aimed at countering Bush's build-up plan without exposing Democrats to accusations of undercutting troops in the field.

Also, Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.) served notice that the administration's request for an additional $93 billion to pay for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan would face tough scrutiny before his panel.

With the lion's share of the money slated for Iraq, Byrd said he feared the request "cements a policy of more of the same — more hunkering down, more forcing our troops to stay pinned in the middle of a civil war."

Bush has made little effort to influence the House's consideration of its nonbinding resolution, saying he planned to ignore it. But at his White House news conference, the president made clear he would more aggressively fight efforts to stymie his troop-increase plan.

"People are prejudging the outcome" of the new strategy, he complained. And Bush said he hoped the House's symbolic measure would not "turn into a binding policy that prevents our troops from doing what I have asked them to do."

As he has done continually in the face of growing U.S. discontent with the situation in Iraq, Bush warned that stepping back from the fight "would have disastrous consequences for our people in America."

"The Iraqi government would collapse; chaos would spread," he said. "There would be a vacuum. Into the vacuum would flow more extremists, more radicals, people who have stated intent to hurt our people."

But even as Bush spoke, the fractures within his own party over Iraq were spotlighted as the House engaged in a second, full day of debate on the resolution opposing his troop increase.

Unlike the first day, which featured Democrats pressing the case for the measure and Republicans decrying it, part of Wednesday's discussion featured GOP lawmakers arguing with one another. Although those lining up behind the measure represented a small fraction of the House's GOP caucus, their willingness to make their speeches reflected the rising anxiety within the party over the nearly 4-year-old war. It is a conflict that many GOP politicians single out as the main reason the party lost its majorities on Capitol Hill in November's election.

Nine of the 11 Republicans who criticized Bush's troop-buildup plan voted for the 2002 resolution authorizing the use of military force against Iraq; the two dissenters were Reps. John J. "Jimmy" Duncan Jr. of Tennessee and Ron Paul of Texas.

Other Republican supporters of the resolution included Reps. Wayne T. Gilchrest of Maryland, a decorated Vietnam veteran, and Howard Coble of North Carolina, who represents a district Bush won with 69% of the vote in 2004.

"I am personally very high on President Bush, but on the matter of troop escalation, I am not in agreement," Coble said.

He added that mail and calls to his office are running 10 to 1 in support of his position.

Rep. Upton said he decided to oppose Bush's plan after e-mailing soldiers he had met during visits to Iraq who told him that sending more troops would increase the threats to U.S. personnel.

The president's allies, while refraining from attacking their fellow Republicans, were just as passionate in their support for the new Iraq strategy. And they assailed the Democratic resolution for offering no alternative.

The measure "says only what some members are against; nothing about what we are for," said Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.).

Some Republicans who plan to vote against the resolution acknowledged mounting frustration over the situation in Iraq.

"Even those of us like me who will oppose [the measure] need to see results," Rep. Mary Bono of Palm Springs said.

The 53-member California delegation is expected to split along party lines on the resolution, with its 33 Democrats voting "yes" and its 19 Republicans voting "no."

Brian Kennedy, a spokesman for House Republican leader John A. Boehner of Ohio, said that regardless of the number of GOP lawmakers who support the resolution, the caucus "will stand firm" against any Democratic efforts to deny Bush troop funding.

"That's where you'll see a line drawn," Kennedy said.

As Wednesday's session wrapped up about midnight, roughly 200 House members had participated in the debate; each has been allotted five minutes to give their views.

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lieexpsr

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It really makes me wonder when they are all going to start doing something to end the war as opposed to making symbolic gestures. Never I suspect as the 20K troops will be there and the Repubs. can always hold the 'support the troops' nonsense threat over the Dems. And of course everyone should know by now that the U.S. is not going to leave Iraq defeated and that ensures several more years of war at least.

It will all surely get more interesting when the Dem hopefuls for their president are told by the people to either put up or shut up. Unless the people rall around the flag for more war and that is going to take some clever engineering.
 

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I was watching some of the Larry King interview last night with those candidates who have declared thier intentions to seek the crown of the empire, I can safly say they are the same scum that's running the ship of empire now, there will be no change in American forigne policy from this crew. In the first place policy is not determined from the white house, hasn't been for a very long time, change will only happen when wall street surrenders, and that's going to be bloody and expensive. Damn them all to hell, every one of them.And for those of us looking to congress for leadership and change, abandon all hope, you're dreaming.:wave:
 

lieexpsr

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The American system is a very sick system which is totally controlled by the politicians looking after their own interests as opposed to the interests of the people. The 'support the troops' bullsh-t wins the day when doing the right thing about being involved in a completely immoral cause should be what's important. Will the American people ever rise up against that kind of hypocrisy? Not likely because the situation will have to get much more desperate, as similar to what happened to get the U.S. out of Vietnam.

Notice how Stephen Harper has learned to play the same game in Canada? Everything being done is done to score political points with the masses and nothing is done which is in the best interests of Canadians.

Canadians just may be dumb enough to buy the farm from the Conservatives and once we do then it's going to be a long, long road back. Military defeat in whatever country we choose to fight in for the U.S. cause, will be our future.