Somalia Attack May Have Slain Some Brits

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British May Be Among Dead In Somalia'
The Telegraph (UK) ^| 1-9-2007 | Mike Pflanz




British 'may be among dead in Somalia'
By Mike Pflanz in Nairobi
Last Updated: 5:17pm GMT 09/01/2007

British passport holders may be among the "many" people killed in two US air attacks on suspected extremist positions in southern Somalia, it emerged today.


Islamists have been driven from power in Somalia Meles Zenawi, Ethiopia's prime minister, said that his troops inside Somalia had detained many injured foreign fighters, some claiming to be British, since they began their offensive against the Islamists on Dec 24.
Many other such fighters who had so far escaped may have been killed in yesterday's double air attack by the US military on the last strongholds of the Islamic Courts Union (ICU), who were believed to be harbouring al-Qa'eda terrorists.
Addis Ababa and Somalia's transitional government, now in control of its country after wiping out the ICU, have claimed foreigners flocked to the Horn of Africa answering the Islamists' call to fight a jihad against Ethiopia.
"Many international terrorists are dead in Somalia,'' Mr Meles told today's edition of the French newspaper, Le Monde. "Photographs have been taken and passports from different countries have been collected. The Kenyans are holding Eritrean and Canadian passport holders. We have injured people coming from Yemen, Pakistan, Sudan, the United Kingdom.''
Officials at the British embassy in Addis Ababa said they were looking into the allegations. Many Somalis hold dual citizenship after fleeing the insecurity in their country since the last government collapsed in 1991.
A spokesman at the Foreign Office told The Daily Telegraph that she could not confirm the reports of British passport holders being involved, but said that the Government was discussing the matter with Ethiopian and Somali authorities.


Reports from Somalia have accused the Ethiopians of fabricating evidence pointing to the nationalities of the Islamist forces they have captured or killed. One of Ethiopia's main justifications for going to war in Somalia, backed by the US, was that the Islamists rallying cry for fighters to join a jihad threatened its own national security.
No independent verification of Mr Zenawi's claims was immediately available.
The US military's two air attacks on suspected al-Qa'eda agents yesterday was the first direct US intervention in the country since the Black Hawk Down debacle in 1993.
An AC-130 warplane armed with state-of-the-art tracking sensors and heavy cannons capable of firing more than 1,800 rounds a minute hit two villages in southern Somalia.
Witnesses reported "many dead" following the first attack in Ras Kamboni, close to Somalia's border with Kenya.
It was unclear whether the casualties in included Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan or Abu Taha al-Sudani. They are believed to be behind the 1998 al-Qa'eda-linked bombings of the US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, when more than 250 people were killed after two coordinated truck blasts.
Fazul Mohammed is also suspected of orchestrating a 2002 suicide attack on a Kenyan hotel popular with Israelis, and the failed attempt to down a tourist airliner heading for Tel Aviv as it climbed out of an airport on Kenya's coast.
The US, Ethiopia and Somalia's interim government claim that the three men were being sheltered by the Islamic Courts Union (ICU), which controlled much of the country until they were driven from power last week.
A separate attack believed to have been carried out by the same US aircraft hit a remote settlement near Afmadow town, west of Ras Kamboni, reportedly killing four civilians.
The US Navy Fifth Fleet confirmed today that it had repositioned the USS Dwight D Eisenhower, an aircraft carrier, from the Arabian Sea to join other US warships patrolling the Indian Ocean off Somalia.
Jets from the carrier were today already carrying out reconnaissance missions above Somalia, the US Navy said, adding that the deployment was "in case the situation demands air power". The Pentagon has confirmed the strike took place, but today refused to say whether it was successful.
 

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Why the hell would a Somali hold British citizenship? I'm more than disgusted.

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Oh, I MUST be misunderstanding you! I'm sure you dont mean that a Somali should not be able to be a British citizen.

Or perhaps, one has forgotten this lost little part of the British Empire. Dear old Britain wanted a port on the Red Sea, so made a little place called British Somaliland. Now, they didn't like the fact that Italy had a bit too, so during WWII when Italy was busy, the Brits took over the southern Italian Somaliland. By rights, all Somalis should have been allowed British citizenship.
 

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It's not really surprising when you read news like this:

He adds: “One day we hope to implement Sharia law over Downing Street and Washington itself.”
“We do not like non-Muslims. We are required not to like them because they reject Allah and his messengers.”

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=23920_Britains_Huge_Problem#comments

Secret video footage reveals Muslim preachers exhorting followers to prepare for jihad, to hit girls for not wearing the hijab, and to create a ‘state within a state’. Many of the preachers are linked to the Wahhabi strain of Islam practised in Saudi Arabia, which funds a number of Britain’s leading Islamic institutions.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/web...ate_Islamic_Leaders_Preaching_Hatred#comments
 

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Once again, the propaganda machine is at work to convince the uninformed public that the reason the US is going to have military operations in Somalia is to them from the Islamic radicals and to protect us all from Al Quaeda.

The fact is that in its long past history of colonization and fighting, Somalia is divided into multiple sections all controlled by different factions. Is one faction better than another? Are we fighting to bring "democracy and safety and economic improvement to Somalia?

No. Poor Somaliland has the unfortunate fact added to her woes that she lies on the crucial horn of the opening to the Red Sea, and this trade route must be kept open at all costs, and the access to the Middle East must be kept open at all cost.

Let's predict the headlines in a few years. THE US STATES THAT THE WAR IN SOMALIA IS NOT A CIVIL WAR. IT IS FRAGMENTED COUNTERATTACKS BY A FEW INSURGENTS OPPOSED TO THE ASSISTANCE OF THE US IN THE STABALIZATION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE LOSS OF 300,000 CIVILIAN LIVES IS CONSIDERED AN INEVITABLE COST IN THE GLOBAL FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISM, AND THE US WILL NOT LEAVE SOMALIA UNTIL ITS MISSION IS PERFORMED.
 

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Let's predict the headlines in a few years. THE US STATES THAT THE WAR IN SOMALIA IS NOT A CIVIL WAR. IT IS FRAGMENTED COUNTERATTACKS BY A FEW INSURGENTS OPPOSED TO THE ASSISTANCE OF THE US IN THE STABALIZATION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE LOSS OF 300,000 CIVILIAN LIVES IS CONSIDERED AN INEVITABLE COST IN THE GLOBAL FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISM, AND THE US WILL NOT LEAVE SOMALIA UNTIL ITS MISSION IS PERFORMED.

Yes, the propoganda machine seems to be working just fine...
 

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No. Poor Somaliland has the unfortunate fact added to her woes that she lies on the crucial horn of the opening to the Red Sea, and this trade route must be kept open at all costs, and the access to the Middle East must be kept open at all cost.

When there isn't any oil in the picture, we have to come up with new and improved ways of eliminating the obvious. Now Somalia all of a sudden becomes "critical" to the Red Sea entrance. Had it been Djibouti or Yemen, I may have gone along the possibility of such a theory. But Somalia? Somalia has no jurisdiction and no claims to the Red Sea entrance.

Somalia has been a fractured state for 20 years(?) with no central government after the "socialists" decided they weren't doing crap for the country. This kind of state, I would imagine, is perfect breeding grounds for terrorists. Over your head?
 

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Yup it sure is Thomaska....where's the turn off button!

Well, the other thing is, apparently there were some terrorists killed there who also had American passports, but no one seems to be concerned that we might have killed Americans...hmmm...I wonder why that is?

It couldn't possibly be because they weren't really Americans could it? So I'm also 100% positive that the British and Australian passport holders who were killed there, were simple innocent tourists. They had simply travelled from the boring old U.K. and lackluster Australia to visit beautiful southern Somalia, the jewel of Africa, to take in the sites...:roll:

Another question...Why are terrorists always hosting weddings and having toy give-aways for orphans when the bombs start falling?
 
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When there isn't any oil in the picture, we have to come up with new and improved ways of eliminating the obvious. Now Somalia all of a sudden becomes "critical" to the Red Sea entrance. Had it been Djibouti or Yemen, I may have gone along the possibility of such a theory. But Somalia? Somalia has no jurisdiction and no claims to the Red Sea entrance.

Somalia has been a fractured state for 20 years(?) with no central government after the "socialists" decided they weren't doing crap for the country. This kind of state, I would imagine, is perfect breeding grounds for terrorists. Over your head?


It is funny isn't it? Where do they come up with this stuff?! lol

So if the islamo facist take Somalia they take control of the Somali Navy. You've seen the pictures... 5 guys in a boat with an outboard motor lugging RPG's and AK-47's. Too funny.

Just look at the distance from the coast of Somalia to the Red Sea. I wish the map had a scale.
 

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Well, the other thing is, apparently there were some terrorists killed there who also had American passports, but no one seems to be concerned that we might have killed Americans...hmmm...I wonder why that is?

It couldn't possibly be because they weren't really Americans could it? So I'm also 100% positive that the British and Australian passport holders who were killed there, were simple innocent tourists. They had simply travelled from the boring old U.K. and lackluster Australia to visit beautiful southern Somalia, the jewel of Africa, to take in the sites...:roll:

Another question...Why are terrorists always hosting weddings and having toy give-aways for orphans when the bombs start falling?

Thomaska

Amazing right? "Americans" are expendible..... let's pack up and save our kids' lives and our money....
for what has been spent in that sandpit....we could find another source of clean cheap energy..... oil will always represent the Satanic part of our globe.... I hate to pump it into my car....
 

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Canadian Islamic terrorists were also killed by the American air strikes.
 

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In other developments:
  • Ethiopia's Prime Minister Meles Zenawi says foreign fighters from Canada, Eritrea, Pakistan, Sudan, the United Kingdom and Yemen have been captured in Somalia
  • EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana tells the BBC that the EU is ready to help deploy troops in Somalia and casts doubt on the ability of the African Union to send a peacekeeping force
  • South Africa says it is considering a request to send troops to Somalia
  • The US military says it had sent an aircraft carrier to join three other US warships conducting anti-terror operations off the Somali coast
The heavily-armed AC-130 gunship can fly at night (file photo)




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it annoys me that any news report here or in the UK that talks about a bombing or other disaster in a foreign place concentrates on how many britons or how many canadians or how many americans were killed. what the hell does it matter who they were? they shouldnt have died
 

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It's not really surprising when you read news like this:

It doesn't really surprise me that Canadian Islamists are amongst those captured.

Islam is the second-largest religion in Canada and In the 1990s the largest source of Muslim refugees to Canada was........ Somalia.

Islam is also growing in Canada much faster than it is in Britain. In 2001, just 1.9% of Canada's population was Muslim - in 2006 that had leapt to 2.5%. Britain's Muslim population is 2.8%, which means that at sometime in 2007 or 2008, Canada should have a larger Muslim population than Britain.
 

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???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Oh, I MUST be misunderstanding you! I'm sure you dont mean that a Somali should not be able to be a British citizen.

Or perhaps, one has forgotten this lost little part of the British Empire. Dear old Britain wanted a port on the Red Sea, so made a little place called British Somaliland. Now, they didn't like the fact that Italy had a bit too, so during WWII when Italy was busy, the Brits took over the southern Italian Somaliland. By rights, all Somalis should have been allowed British citizenship.

A big difference being that, unlike Italy, Britain wasn't ruled by a murderous, Fascist Dictator when it ruled Somalia.

When Italy invaded British Somaliland Mussolini was their leader (Churchill was ours). Although the British then managed to drive the Italians out thanks to a massive sea invasion.
 

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Amazing right? "Americans" are expendible..... let's pack up and save our kids' lives and our money....
for what has been spent in that sandpit....we could find another source of clean cheap energy..... oil will always represent the Satanic part of our globe.... I hate to pump it into my car....

Yes, it is interesting to analyze the global issue of cost of oil to you, the consumer, Curemeferocity.

Do you think you've got your money's worth out of the BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars your government has spent in Iraq? You certainly could have BOUGHT BILLIONS and BILLIONS of gallons of oil instead of using the money to ensure that you are the force controlling oil in the region. slaughtering and polluting along the way.