An article that explains why Clinton did nothing about Bin Laden.

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Why are Christians coming under attack in both the US and Canada, this article stunned me. It's okay to "Force" children to be Muslims visa vie role playing but Jesus and Christmas are banned? Nice work Bill, bloody hell.


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[SIZE=-1]Posted: October 19, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

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[FONT=Palatino, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times, serif]By Bob Unruh
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A man arrested as a terror suspect for allegedly trying to transport $340,000 from a group tied to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, and who reputedly had connections to Osama bin Laden, helped write the "Religious Expression in Public Schools" guidelines issued by President Clinton during his tenure in office.
And that could explain why students at a California school were told as part of their required classes they would become Muslims and pray to Allah – and a federal judge approved that, and why an Oregon school this year is delivering similar lessons to its students, as WND has reported.

Abdurahman Alamoudi with President Clinton, Vice President Gore
Abdurahman Alamoudi, who was president of the American Muslim Council and a supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah, worked with President Clinton and the American Civil Liberties Union when the guidelines, launched by Clinton in 1995, were being developed, according to reports.
Those are the same guidelines that the ACLU's Nadine Strossen referred to for authority when supporting organization lawsuits to restrict Christmas celebrations and the removal of the Nativity from public display, the reports said.
Then Clinton issued the guidelines, he announced that they had been developed by "35 religious groups" but didn't disclose that many of those were civil rights organizations such as the ACLU, and committed whole-heartedly to the separation of church and state.
Alamoudi, who ended up serving time in jail, also founded the American Muslim Foundation and the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Council.
He ran afoul of the law because the U.S. banned such money transfers under economic sanctions imposed in 1986 when Libya was tied to terrorist bombings in Vienna and Rome.
The U.S. attorney's office told WND at that time Alamoudi was accused under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.
It was an affidavit filed with the complaint in which his support of the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas was described. There, he also said, "If we are outside (the U.S.) we can say 'Oh, Allah destroy America,' but once we are here, our mission in this country is to change it." He also allegedly had connections to relatives of bin Laden, reports said.
For a time he also was employed in choosing Muslim chaplains for the U.S. military and in his role as leader of the American Muslim Council, he frequently met with senior Clinton and Bush administration officials.
The Muslim leader said "he intended eventually to deposit the ($340,000) in banks located in Saudi Arabia, from where he would feed it back in smaller sums into accounts in the United States," according to the affidavit.
Before his close encounter with the law, however, he was described as a friend of Hillary Clinton and an adviser on Islamic affairs. It was during this time, as he helped with the presidential guidelines for schools, that Muslim beliefs started appearing in Houghton Mifflin textbooks, which are being used in some of the Islamic indoctrination courses.
The guidelines note that, "Students generally do not have a federal right to be excused from lessons that may be inconsistent with their religious beliefs or practices."
But under those guidelines, California, and now Oregon students, are allowed to be told as part of their public schooling: "You are beginning a simulation of the history and culture of Islam. It is important to study the origins of this religion and how it has affected mankind. … It is impossible to study Islam without understanding the relationship between the teaching of Prophet Muhammad and the entire Mid-Eastern culture. It was the early Muslims, primarily the Arabs, who shaped the future of a wide area of Europe, Africa, and Asia. Muslim contributions are extraordinary in art, architecture, philosophy, science, mathematics, government, and of course, religion.
"From the beginning, you and your classmates will become Muslims. You will be a member of a caravan starting from a trading center based around an Islamic city. The task of each caravan group is to be the first group to complete a pilgrimage to Mecca, the holiest of Islamic cities, with the most amount of dirhems (Arabic money). This pilgrimage or 'haij' is a requirement of all faithful Muslims once in their lifetime."
Those words are taken from text material provided to students in California, a district that was challenged by Christian parents, who just weeks ago saw the U.S. Supreme Court decline to intervene in the lower court's ruling.
"Today, Christmas and Nativity scenes are outlawed while Clinton's nominee, U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton, recently approved 'Islam: A Simulation' where children learn to become Muslim, recite the Quran, fast for Ramadan and pray to Allah including this prayer: 'In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. Praise be to Allah, Lord of Creation, The Compassionate, the Merciful, King of Judgment-day! You alone we worship, and to You alone we pray for help, Guide us to the straight path,'" wrote Jen Shroder, on her BlessedCause.org website.
"The double-standard is shocking, but one need only look at our public school guidelines and who wrote them, with clauses designed to open or close doors at the will of the ACLU, to discover how our nation finds itself in such a dreadful state today," Shroder continued.
Schroder, on the NewsWithViews.com website, said Clinton "preferred to 'negotiate' with Muslim leaders rather than answer terrorist bombings with our military.
"He colluded with the ACLU to present religious guidelines worded to manipulate court rulings at the ACLU's discretion, successfully censoring Christians and the Bible in public school while promoting every other faith, specifically Islam.
"Clinton disguised these guidelines with much profession of his Christian faith, but sincerity is lost when one examines the fruit," she wrote. "Lying under oath, dubious activities with staff, slipping in an ACLU document as written by 'religious groups' is compounded when one remembers how Hillary demanded public funding for (brace yourself) a dung covered depiction of the Virgin Mary, with breasts of elephant dung, surrounded by genital pornography at the Brooklyn Museum.
"America does not comprehend Muslim resolve to make America Islam," Shroder wrote. "Suicide bombers have already demonstrated their willingness to kill and die for it. … Clinton gave them … our schools, our very children with his religious guidelines."
Following the guidelines, the judge ruled that the Muslim teaching could continue in the Byron Union School District in California, deciding that it was just cultural education.
But Edward White III, of the Thomas More Law Center which handled the California lawsuit, asked, "Would it have been 'just cultural education' if students were in simulated baptisms, wearing a crucifix, having taken the name of St. John and with praise banners saying 'Praise be to Jesus Christ' on classroom walls?"
His comments followed the newest protest from in Nyssa, Ore., where one parent raised objections to the Islamic teachings. The district there, according to Supt. Don Grotting, is teaching a chapter in a history textbook "Journey Across Time" that talks about "how civilization has developed and some of the particular aspects of Islam."
He said one assignment was to learn the "five pillars" of Islam, study Ramadan and listen to guest speakers including an American Muslim who arrived dressed in her religious costume to talk to the kids about her Quran.
Parent Kendalee Garner, however, objected to having her son being taught Islam.
"I just don't understand the ban on Christianity but Islam has free rein," she told WND.
Grotting acknowledged to WND that textbooks do "take a slant" on some issues, because publishers "are wanting to sell a textbook that is meeting the needs of the state and federal mandates."
And in the California case, school officials also blamed the "possible cant" of the textbook.
A review online of information from the text shows that it teaches Christianity spread because "it gave meaning to peoples' lives, appealed to their emotions and promised happiness after death."
Its description also focuses on Christians' conflicts with Rome (when they were fed to lions), and splits between Christians following Roman teachings and those following the teachings of Constantine.
However, the article praises how the Muslims founded the system for banking, created important centers for learning, government and the arts, how they ran "government, society and business" and made valuable contributions in math, science and the arts.
The text also credits Muslims with inventing algebra and chemistry as well as creating beautiful buildings, citing the Taj Mahal, although the text does not mention that that is a tomb.
There's also no mention of the Quranic instruction that Muslims must behead infidels, or nonbelievers.
One blogger said Christians should think strategically on such issues.
"Cases like this present Christians with a golden opportunity to introduce elements of religious teaching back into the state curriculum by using the left's double standard towards Islam against it," said one commentator. "Now that this case is on the books in the Ninth Circuit as precedent, expect Christian immersion classes to follow."
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Trying to shift the blame to democrates or republican on those who didnt do enough, is simple minded, cause both has done nothing to get bin ladens, here is the proof.


http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1030259305

america was itself to blame for the events of september 11 because the us administration was using "kid gloves" in tracking down osama bin laden and "other fanatics linked to saudi arabia", a special bbc investigation has alleged in a damning indictment of the two presidents bush and american foreign policy. the report, which the bbc claimed was based on a secret fbi document, numbered 199i wf213589 and emanating out of the fbi’s washington field office, alleged that the cynicism of the american establishment and "connections between the cia and saudi arabia and the bush men and bin ladens" may have been the real cause of the deaths of thousands in the world trade centre attacks. the investigation, which featured in the bbc’s leading current affairs programme, newsnight , said the fbi was told to "back off" investigating one of osama bin laden’s brothers, abdullah, who was linked to "the saudi-funded world association of muslim youth (wamy), a suspected terrorist organisation," whose accounts have still not frozen by the us treasury despite "being banned by pakistan some weeks ago and india claiming it was linked to an organisation involved in bombing in kashmir"






either it is clinton or bushes, they just did nothing to stop them, normal after all, bin laden and alqueada is MADE IN USA.
 

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Trying to shift the blame to democrates or republican on those who didnt do enough, is simple minded, cause both has done nothing to get bin ladens, here is the proof.


http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1030259305








either it is clinton or bushes, they just did nothing to stop them, normal after all, bin laden and alqueada is MADE IN USA.

Let's see......America is a monstrous group of imperialist oppressors because they invaded Afghanistan to eliminate the Taliban and al Quada.

The attacks on 9-11 are America's fault because they didn't invade Afghanistan and kill Osama bin Laden before 9-11.

Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9-11, it was a conspiracy pulled off by the Mossad and CIA.

So, perhaps you could do us a favour and MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MIND! (What there is of it)
 

Logic 7

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Let's see......America is a monstrous group of imperialist oppressors because they invaded Afghanistan to eliminate the Taliban and al Quada.

The attacks on 9-11 are America's fault because they didn't invade Afghanistan and kill Osama bin Laden before 9-11.

Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 9-11, it was a conspiracy pulled off by the Mossad and CIA.

So, perhaps you could do us a favour and MAKE UP YOUR BLOODY MIND! (What there is of it)



OF course you didnt get it, but i wasnt expecting you would get it anyway, the thread was clinton didnt do nothing to stop bin laden, leting the viewers think that bush administration did more, but in fact, just like the clintons administration they did nothing to get them, and m ore they even back off fbi from bin laden trails, so that just means, both won't do nohint to get him, another smoking gun that 9-11 was an inside job, but of course simple minded from both side(rep or dem) will fall into put the blame on their opposite party, pretty pathetic if you ask me.
 

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OF course you didnt get it, but i wasnt expecting you would get it anyway, the thread was clinton didnt do nothing to stop bin laden, leting the viewers think that bush administration did more, but in fact, just like the clintons administration they did nothing to get them, and m ore they even back off fbi from bin laden trails, so that just means, both won't do nohint to get him, another smoking gun that 9-11 was an inside job, but of course simple minded from both side(rep or dem) will fall into put the blame on their opposite party, pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Oh, I got it quite well, thank you.

Perhaps you should read the stuff you copy and post..............

america was itself to blame for the events of september 11 because the us administration was using "kid gloves" in tracking down osama bin laden and "other fanatics linked to saudi arabia",

I would agree that the "blame game" between Democrats and Republicans is a waste of time...............neither could predict what happened on 9-11.
 

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Trying to shift the blame to democrates or republican on those who didnt do enough, is simple minded, cause both has done nothing to get bin ladens, here is the proof.


http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1030259305








either it is clinton or bushes, they just did nothing to stop them, normal after all, bin laden and alqueada is MADE IN USA.

Did you know the times of India printed an Urban Legend involving a teenager dying after drinking 18 soft drinks as fact?

Or maybe it was another Indian paper......
 

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This particular paragraph is mind numbing: "Today, Christmas and Nativity scenes are outlawed while Clinton's nominee, U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton, recently approved 'Islam: A Simulation' where children learn to become Muslim, recite the Quran, fast for Ramadan and pray to Allah including this prayer: 'In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. Praise be to Allah, Lord of Creation, The Compassionate, the Merciful, King of Judgment-day! You alone we worship, and to You alone we pray for help, Guide us to the straight path,'" wrote Jen Shroder, on her BlessedCause.org website.
"The double-standard is shocking, but one need only look at our public school guidelines and who wrote them, with clauses designed to open or close doors at the will of the ACLU, to discover how our nation finds itself in such a dreadful state today," Shroder continued.
Schroder, on the
NewsWithViews.com website, said Clinton "preferred to 'negotiate' with Muslim leaders rather than answer terrorist bombings with our military.

Canada and the US were founded on Christian beliefs, and now Christianity is like a four letter word. If they are going to teach Islam, and other religions why leave out the Christians?
 

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This particular paragraph is mind numbing: "Today, Christmas and Nativity scenes are outlawed while Clinton's nominee, U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton, recently approved 'Islam: A Simulation' where children learn to become Muslim, recite the Quran, fast for Ramadan and pray to Allah including this prayer: 'In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. Praise be to Allah, Lord of Creation, The Compassionate, the Merciful, King of Judgment-day! You alone we worship, and to You alone we pray for help, Guide us to the straight path,'" wrote Jen Shroder, on her BlessedCause.org website.
"The double-standard is shocking, but one need only look at our public school guidelines and who wrote them, with clauses designed to open or close doors at the will of the ACLU, to discover how our nation finds itself in such a dreadful state today," Shroder continued.
Schroder, on the NewsWithViews.com website, said Clinton "preferred to 'negotiate' with Muslim leaders rather than answer terrorist bombings with our military.

Canada and the US were founded on Christian beliefs, and now Christianity is like a four letter word. If they are going to teach Islam, and other religions why leave out the Christians?

I don't know how many times, I've asked this question, and yet the Islam supporters, have not yet answered it. I'm not even Christian, for cryin' out loud!!!
 

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The idea that Clinton did nothing about OBL was thoroughly discredited by the Republican controlled 9/11 Commission. This has been discussed on this forum before.
 

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Only in your wee mind Gopher, this article clearing defines that Clinton allowed a Terrorist to force Islam down the throats of Christians at the same time nulling Christianity from Schools visa vie Christmas. Oh and the misses had this slime bucket as a Muslim advisor. Nice, Billy had his own little sleeper cells in the works when Bush got elected. Brilliant move, take Jesus out of the Season and "Force" children to convert to Islam and label it Education. No Sassy this isn't the ME it's the US under Clinton's leadership. Wow what a leader.

Quote: "Clinton disguised these guidelines with much profession of his Christian faith, but sincerity is lost when one examines the fruit," she wrote. "Lying under oath, dubious activities with staff, slipping in an ACLU document as written by 'religious groups' is compounded when one remembers how Hillary demanded public funding for (brace yourself) a dung covered depiction of the Virgin Mary, with breasts of elephant dung, surrounded by genital pornography at the Brooklyn Museum.

Bill Clinton is a flaming filthy pig. God help the US if she gets into the white house.
 

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Thank Zeus the religious right in Canada is not nearly as powerful as their counter parts in the US.
 

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This is the same right-wing rag that covered the Terri Schiavo story for three years and helped in demonizing the husband. Well, we all know how that turned out in the end.

Someone will have to provide a better reference to back up the argument of the original article. Some other credible sources that will also support the claims.WorldNetDaily keep coming up on media watches for spreading misinformation. Much like FOX. I can understand that occasionally you get a journalistic leader who can start the scoop, but credible journalism gets passed around. For now this looks like another right-wing hit job.

Here is another WND example of journalism where they tried to do a hit job on Wilson along with FOX. Wilson who’s CIA wife was outed because Wilson debunk a WMD theory by the Bush Administration prior to the Iraq invasion.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200511090011

According to a November 5 article published by the right-wing news website WorldNetDaily, Vallely claimed on the November 3 broadcast of ABC Radio Networks' The John Batchelor Show that Wilson revealed Plame's CIA employment in a conversation with Vallely in a Fox News "green room" in 2002. WorldNetDaily reported that after his appearance on Batchelor's show, "Vallely told WorldNetDaily that Wilson mentioned Plame's status as a CIA employee over the course of at least three, possibly five, conversations in 2002" and that "Vallely says, according to his recollection, Wilson mentioned his wife's job in the spring of 2002":

(cont.)

In another article posted later that day, WorldNetDaily reported that Vallely and WorldNetDaily received an email from Christopher Wolf, Wilson's attorney, demanding a retraction and stating that "the claim that Ambassador Wilson revealed to you or to anyone that his wife worked for the CIA is patently false." Wolf's email also contained a message Wilson had sent to Wolf:

"This is slanderous," Wilson wrote. "I never appeared on tv before at least July 2002 and only saw him maybe twice in the green room at FOX. Vallely is a retired general and this is a bald faced lie. Can we sue? This is not he said/he said, since I never laid eyes on him till several months after he alleges I spoke to him about my wife."
 

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It really bothers me when Americans or anyone in general gets political about the cause of 911.

Let's play the blame game... when people do this ****, it's almost as bad as the moonbats rambling on how 911 was an inside job etc, or the aliens did it etc. Regardless of who was in power, 911 happened, clinton didn't cause it, Bush didn't cause it. Deal with it.

At least Billy Clinton can say he has hd a Blow Job... The only mouth that touches GW'a member these days are Billy Graham.
 

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If both sides did nothing, what the **** is the point of this thread?


For some reason, my answer to your query did not post on the board. Hmmm, will try again ...


Who is to say that "both sides did nothing"?

That is a myth created by right wing Clinton haters in order to cover up for the defciencies of their fellow Republicans. If anyone bothered to read the Republican 9/11 Commission Report which was discussed at length here previously, they would know Clinton did far more than did Bush. And he would have done even more if his efforts had not been thwarted by the GOP in Congress.

Bush is responsible for 9/11 as it happened on his watch and he ignored numerous signs that were given before it took place:

http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/911bush.html
 

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I swear I read in the Economist that Rice, Cheney and Powell agreed to disagree that certain aspects of homeland defense funding needed to be cut because terrorism was no longer the threat it once was and the cold war was over. I could be mistaken, but I swear I read this about 5-6 months prior to 9/11. Or something to that effect. I have no idea what I did with that issue and I"ve never been able to find it on-line. Maybe I'm wrong? :confused:
 

gopher

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I swear I read in the Economist that Rice, Cheney and Powell agreed to disagree that certain aspects of homeland defense funding needed to be cut because terrorism was no longer the threat it once was and the cold war was over. I could be mistaken, but I swear I read this about 5-6 months prior to 9/11. Or something to that effect. I have no idea what I did with that issue and I"ve never been able to find it on-line. Maybe I'm wrong? :confused:


You are correct --- this was within the context of the June, 2001 Summit. See,

http://www.cdi.org/russia/157.html##1


More cooperation had been called for but Putin later objected to USA disgust with his brutal suppression of dissent in Chechnya.