Israel proves it isn't a Peace partner

Jersay

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MASKIOT, West Bank - Israel has begun laying the foundations for a new Jewish settlement deep in the West Bank — breaking a promise to Washington while strengthening its hold on a stretch of desert it wants to keep as it draws its final borders.

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The construction of Maskiot comes at a time when Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert seeks U.S. backing for eventually annexing parts of the West Bank as part of a plan to set Israel's eastern border with or without Palestinian consent.

The Palestinians and Israel's settlement watchdog group Peace Now say the Maskiot construction amounts to a new attempt to push Israel's future border deeper into the West Bank. "It's about grabbing land," said Yariv Oppenheimer of Peace Now.

Otniel Schneller, an Olmert adviser, confirmed Israel is building in additional West Bank areas to ensure they are not included in the lands given to the Palestinians. He said Israel needs to keep the Jordan Valley, where Maskiot is located, as a security buffer against Islamic militants based in Iraq, Iran and elsewhere.

Olmert has said that if efforts to resume peace talks fail, as expected, he would annex large Jewish settlement blocs in the West Bank and draw Israel's final borders by 2008. A separation barrier Israel is building in the West Bank is to serve as the basis for the future border.

In order to ensure a Jewish majority in lands it controls, Israel plans to evacuate as many as 70,000 West Bank settlers, relocating them to the western side of the separation barrier. Israel depicts the move as a major concession, but Palestinians fear Jewish footholds like Maskiot will prevent them from being able to build a contiguous state on the evacuated lands.

Maskiot would initially house 20 families, all former Gaza settlers forced out of their homes when Israel withdrew from the coastal strip last year. Israel has promised Washington it would not build new settlements in the West Bank.

The future residents of Maskiot say their homes are being financed by right-leaning Jewish donors and the Israeli government, and that they will be renting homes built by others.

Asked about Maskiot, Stewart Tuttle, the U.S. Embassy spokesman in Tel Aviv, said such settlement activity violates U.S. policy. "As a general principle, the U.S. government is opposed to settlement expansion," Tuttle said. "Ceasing settlement expansion is one of Israel's commitments under the road map."

At Maskiot, bulldozers have cleared the top of a hill and work crews have laid foundations for four houses. New trees have been planted on the edges of the settlement.

The first 20 families, all from the former Gaza settlement outpost of Shirat Hayam, are expected to move there in coming weeks, said regional settler leader Dubi Tal.

The Kinarti family from Shirat Hayam has moved into a temporary concrete block home in Maskiot. A knock on the door produced a man with a large skullcap who refused to comment on the construction of his new home but said he's originally from Shirat Hayam.

Another future Maskiot resident, Yossi Hazut, said he was settling in the Jordan Valley to help determine the borders of the state of Israel.

"I don't think there is even one Israeli who thinks that the Jordan Valley is not important," said Hazut, who is living in a nearby community until his house is ready. "God willing, many of us from Shirat Hayam will live in Maskiot."

Schneller, an architect of Olmert's West Bank plan, said Israel could move the separation barrier deeper into the West Bank to include Maskiot on the Israeli side.

Israel's Defense Ministry, which oversees settlement activity, confirmed it decided before Israel's March election to approve the construction of Maskiot.

The defense minister, Amir Peretz, has not tried to derail these plans, defense officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to talk to the press. Peretz, leader of the Labor Party, is seen as a leading opponent of settlement expansion, but apparently wants to avoid stirring up too many conflicts in Olmert's coalition government.

Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said Israel will eventually have to decide whether it wants to build more settlements or reach a peace agreement. "Every settlement is meant to take Palestinian land and meant to undermine a two-state solution," he said.

MASKIOT, West Bank - Israel has begun laying the foundations for a new Jewish settlement deep in the West Bank — breaking a promise to Washington while strengthening its hold on a stretch of desert it wants to keep as it draws its final borders.

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The construction of Maskiot comes at a time when Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert seeks U.S. backing for eventually annexing parts of the West Bank as part of a plan to set Israel's eastern border with or without Palestinian consent.

The Palestinians and Israel's settlement watchdog group Peace Now say the Maskiot construction amounts to a new attempt to push Israel's future border deeper into the West Bank. "It's about grabbing land," said Yariv Oppenheimer of Peace Now.

Otniel Schneller, an Olmert adviser, confirmed Israel is building in additional West Bank areas to ensure they are not included in the lands given to the Palestinians. He said Israel needs to keep the Jordan Valley, where Maskiot is located, as a security buffer against Islamic militants based in Iraq, Iran and elsewhere.

Olmert has said that if efforts to resume peace talks fail, as expected, he would annex large Jewish settlement blocs in the West Bank and draw Israel's final borders by 2008. A separation barrier Israel is building in the West Bank is to serve as the basis for the future border.

In order to ensure a Jewish majority in lands it controls, Israel plans to evacuate as many as 70,000 West Bank settlers, relocating them to the western side of the separation barrier. Israel depicts the move as a major concession, but Palestinians fear Jewish footholds like Maskiot will prevent them from being able to build a contiguous state on the evacuated lands.

Maskiot would initially house 20 families, all former Gaza settlers forced out of their homes when Israel withdrew from the coastal strip last year. Israel has promised Washington it would not build new settlements in the West Bank.

The future residents of Maskiot say their homes are being financed by right-leaning Jewish donors and the Israeli government, and that they will be renting homes built by others.

Asked about Maskiot, Stewart Tuttle, the U.S. Embassy spokesman in Tel Aviv, said such settlement activity violates U.S. policy. "As a general principle, the U.S. government is opposed to settlement expansion," Tuttle said. "Ceasing settlement expansion is one of Israel's commitments under the road map."

At Maskiot, bulldozers have cleared the top of a hill and work crews have laid foundations for four houses. New trees have been planted on the edges of the settlement.

The first 20 families, all from the former Gaza settlement outpost of Shirat Hayam, are expected to move there in coming weeks, said regional settler leader Dubi Tal.

The Kinarti family from Shirat Hayam has moved into a temporary concrete block home in Maskiot. A knock on the door produced a man with a large skullcap who refused to comment on the construction of his new home but said he's originally from Shirat Hayam.

Another future Maskiot resident, Yossi Hazut, said he was settling in the Jordan Valley to help determine the borders of the state of Israel.

"I don't think there is even one Israeli who thinks that the Jordan Valley is not important," said Hazut, who is living in a nearby community until his house is ready. "God willing, many of us from Shirat Hayam will live in Maskiot."

Schneller, an architect of Olmert's West Bank plan, said Israel could move the separation barrier deeper into the West Bank to include Maskiot on the Israeli side.

Israel's Defense Ministry, which oversees settlement activity, confirmed it decided before Israel's March election to approve the construction of Maskiot.

The defense minister, Amir Peretz, has not tried to derail these plans, defense officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to talk to the press. Peretz, leader of the Labor Party, is seen as a leading opponent of settlement expansion, but apparently wants to avoid stirring up too many conflicts in Olmert's coalition government.

Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said Israel will eventually have to decide whether it wants to build more settlements or reach a peace agreement. "Every settlement is meant to take Palestinian land and meant to undermine a two-state solution," he said.

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Jersay

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So Hamas right now isn't a peace partner, and Israel hasn't been, isn't and doesn't seem to want to be a peace partner in the future. And because of the lack of response from "Israeli supporters' I guess we lefties are correct on this issue.
 

dekhqonbacha

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maybe with remaining Fatah in power, Israel would negociate with them.

Since Hamas was elected many countries, including Isreal, cut the financial aid. Isreal does not want to talk with Hamas.

Palestinians chose Hamas in wrong time.
 

Jersay

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Fatah was in power for years. If Israel wanted to negotiate with Fatah they would have done it with Arafat and if not with him with Abu Mazen.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad are just offshoots. They were not their for the original struggle, the PLO and Fatah has been there for the whole conflict, while Hamas and Jihad are radical organizations based on the frustration of nothing happening.
 

dekhqonbacha

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but Arafat was kind of barrier. After his death and election of Mahmoud Abbas things were getting better.

And even there was a hope that the peace negotiation would take place shortly.

But, with the loss of Fatah, all hope is gone.
 

Jersay

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but Arafat was kind of barrier. After his death and election of Mahmoud Abbas things were getting better.

And even there was a hope that the peace negotiation would take place shortly.

But, with the loss of Fatah, all hope is gone.

And why was that??

Because even when Arafat was the head he wasn't the man doing the negotiations he was the popular President. With Abu Mazen not enough was done to help him win over the Palestinian people.
 

aeon

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Re: RE: Israel proves it isn't a Peace partner

dekhqonbacha said:
but Arafat was kind of barrier. After his death and election of Mahmoud Abbas things were getting better.

And even there was a hope that the peace negotiation would take place shortly.

But, with the loss of Fatah, all hope is gone.



Fatah, just like the liberals for us, was a corrupt party, so the palestinians, just like the canadians, decided to elect a radical party.
 

Jersay

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Exactly. I still can't understand how a people do democracy under what America calls democracy, voting freely and fairly and select the party they want to lead for four years and because it is a party America doesn't like it's not democracy some how.

That's why America's push for democracy is hypocritical.
 

aeon

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Jersay said:
Exactly. I still can't understand how a people do democracy under what America calls democracy, voting freely and fairly and select the party they want to lead for four years and because it is a party America doesn't like it's not democracy some how.

That's why America's push for democracy is hypocritical.


It is seriously scary, i dont know where we are going, but i cant see the reason why i should make and rise children in this hypocryte society that we live in.
 

Karlin

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"Palestinians will not be granted their rights until Israel is secure and Israel will not be secure until Palestinians are granted their rights."

Thats a common overview of the conflict there, not my words.

Scholarly authors have oft written that the military industrial complex - the playground of the Elite Wealthy people of this world - is behind the creation of this war, and of its perpetual continuation.

Such a conflict allows for the production of Billions of dollars worth of weapons. It has spawned other wars also, which need more weapons. Military conflicts use a lot of fuel too - estimated that 10% of global warming emissions have occured during military conflicts - thats a lot of gas and diesel.

Thats just a side benefit. Other economic benefits, such as controlling all the oil so as to control all economies, is one of the loftier goals that have been achieved by these Elite wealthy people, partly on the opportunites created by the Israeli Arab war.

The situation of having peoples in military conflicts as a way to control them is likely valid here too, although I don't see what great threat of force the Israelis or Palestinians would become if they were not embroiled in battle. Maybe its about religious control, I dunno... but it seems to benefit someone out there to have these peoples engaged in fighting rather than progressing to a state of well being. [/url]