France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

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France's Crackpot Comedian
By Steven Plaut
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 2, 2006


Dieudonné M'Bala M'Bala - a Frenchman of British and Cameroonian ancestry.



France, formerly the nation of Balzac and Voltaire, is today best represented by Dieudonné, an anti-Semite and self-styled "comic."

Dieudonné M'Bala M'Bala (his full name) is the French son of a British mother and a Cameroonian father.

Beloved by many on the French Left, Dieudonné is so popular in modern France that he is planning to run for President in 2007.

Not the least significant reason for Dieudonné’s appeal is his eagerness to pander to the anti-Israel prejudices of French audiences. In one of his more notorious acts, he
dressed up as a uniformed Israeli settler in the Palestinian occupied territories, gave Nazi salutes, and called upon young people to “join the American-Zionist axis.”

He also likes to dress up as a rabbi on stage and cry "Isra-heil!" During an anti-Israel sketch in which he portrays Hitler in his bunker, Dieudonné closes with the line: "You will see, in the future, people will come to realize that I, Adolf Hitler, was really a moderate."

As such punch lines suggest, Dieudonné has a fairly extensive repertoire of anti-Jewish "humor." He frequently attacks Jews for "whining" about the Holocaust even as they are "mistreating" the Palestinians.

It has been reported that Dieudonné described the Holocaust as a “memorial pornography.” In his standup sketches, Dieudonné does an impression of Bernard-Henri Lévy, the Jewish-French philosopher, haggling with a street potato seller. Dieudonné-as-Lévy says: "How can you ask me to pay so much when 6 million of us died in the Holocaust?"

Dieudonné also insists that Jews were behind the slave trade that brought Africans in chains to the Western Hemisphere. He also says Jews played a “central role” in the 15th-century slave trade. (In fact, they did, but as slaves; in the 15th century, virutally all European slaves were from Europe.)

And Dieudonné does not limit himself to verbal attacks on Jews. This April, for instance, he was walking down a Parisian avenue with his two kids when two Jewish passersby, one aged 19 and the other 25, recognized Dieudonné and walked up to him to express their dislike of some of his more openly anti-Jewish remarks. They told him that they believed that his bigotry lay behind the recent torture and murder of a Jewish teenager in Paris, Ilan Halimi.

Dieudonné did not take their criticism well. After walking his two kids home, he took out a tear gas canister and went back out to the boulevard, searched out his two Jewish critics, and sprayed them with the tear gas. It was obviously a pre-meditated assault; the victims reported the attack to the gendarmerie and Dieudonné was arrested. But his publicist told the French media that Dieudonné had himself been attacked by "two right-wing Zionists from the Extremist Right," adding that their verbal "attack on him" proved how "extremist Jews and Zionists are."

This was not Dieudonné's first run-in with the law. He has been sued at least 20 times. Dieudonné is also slated to stand trial again under French anti-racism laws, for comments made in 2003, when he declared that Jews were “a sect, a rip-off.” He has repeatedly asserted that Jews spread the AIDS virus in Africa. (For the record, Jewish doctors were the first to diagnose AIDS and identify it as a virus.) The Algerian L'Expression recently published the following remarks from the comic: “Zionists are exempt from punishment. If someone calls a child in front of a Jewish school ‘dirty Jew,' it's enough to create a global uproar. Zionism is the AIDS of Judaism.” These statements shocked the French media, leading French Minister of Justice Dominique Perben to launch his own investigation of Dieudonné. The "comic" earlier insulted the representative of the Conseil Representatif des Institutions Juives de France, a Jewish umbrella organization, describing it as “a group of criminals” and “a mafia.” Meanwhile, Paris police have blamed Dieudonné for inspiring several violent attacks on Jews by Paris banlieue hooligans.

Dieudonné has faced criminal charges following a 2002 interview he gave to French magazine, L'Echo des Savanes, in which he said bin Laden had changed the way force could be used in the world, and that bin Laden "is alone against the biggest power in the world, so naturally he inspires respect." He has also praised bin Laden's "charisma." Paris prosecutors had demanded an apology from the comic, tying his remarks to the events of September 11, 2001, and started legal proceedings against him, saying he was trying to justify terrorism. The charges were later dropped. Dieudonné was convicted, however, and fined more than $6,000 in the southern city of Avignon for comments published in Le Monde, in which he accused Jews of "organizing a very strong lobby and taking control of the media."

Although many on the French Left continue to admire his hate-filled routines, Dieudonné’s more outrageous remarks have prompted a backlash. About a dozen theaters all over France, and one in Geneva have canceled Dieudonné's shows. Several television and radio networks have also ordered Dieudonné off the air. He has been barred from the Olympia theater in Paris, although hundreds of his supporters protested the ban. Dieudonné said he regarded the ban by the Olympia as "an infringement on his freedom of expression." Several of his performances have been disrupted by members of the audience, triggering anguished protests by the French "intelligentsia," demanding that his "free speech" be respected. Harlem Désir, a member of the European parliament, has called for a boycott of Dieudonné's shows, saying, “He's one of the biggest anti-Semites in France.” Alain Finkielkraut, a Jewish professor of philosophy, agrees. "I wish I could ignore Dieudonné," he told a French radio show.

Yet Dieudonné certainly has his fans. His antics have earned him a reputation as a "left-wing Le Pen," a reference to the leader of the far-Right “Front National” party, which many Frenchmen see as a compliment. He is celebrated by Western neo-Nazis who also despise blacks, and has performed for French audiences in Montreal. In the United States, he has been championed by the far-Left web magazine Counterpunch. Last year, for instance, the magazine published an article titled “Censorship and the Empire: Dieudonné and the Uses of Anti-Semitism," by regular columnist Diane Johnstone. Johnstone's goal was to denounce those who make charges of anti-Semitism -- as if the epithet were inappropriate for someone who, like Dieudonné, has a long record of contempt for Jews.

Despite applause from the political fringe, Dieudonné’s biggest base of support remains his native country. Perhaps nothing better illustrates France’s decline than the rise of Dieudonné’s celebrity.




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Re: RE: France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

Why is it that neo-Nazi's and anti-Semites seem to think that it's fine for them to ridicule us, and then when someone points out that it isn't, they say:

Roger said:
Why is it that everyone can be made fun of except for the Jews?

The answer is, no one should be "made fun of" on a racial basis: racial "jokes" are simply unacceptable. I have never been a fan of "comedians" that rely on racial stereotypes to survive in the business. Accordingly, I have never been a fan of Dave Chappelle, nor any other comedian of that genre. He's the only one that comes to mind right away.
 

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Blackleaf said:
France's Crackpot Comedian
By Steven Plaut
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 2, 2006


Dieudonné M'Bala M'Bala - a Frenchman of British and Cameroonian ancestry.



France, formerly the nation of Balzac and Voltaire, is today best represented by Dieudonné, an anti-Semite and self-styled "comic."
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That is total bullstrawberry crap, i know dieudonner art, and he isnot an anti-semite, that is a good exemples that the media are completly biased, how come this articles doesnt talk about the fact that dieudonner also laugh at the muslim , and really hard, especially alquada??


why is that?

why nodoby talk about the fact, that dieudonner made fun of the french politiciens??

read my lips( i ve seen the contreversy video)

HE CRITICIZED ISRAELIS GOVERNEMENT, NOTHING ELSE AND NOTHING MORE.

Why nobody talk about the fact, that jew-extremist came to dieudonner shows, and make cancel the shows, because of the violence they made?

Dieudonner is a genius, who isnt afraid to say what he thinks, he criticized everyone, and i mean everyone, including himself.

Blackleaf, take your crap somwhere else, there is no word in the world that can describes your stupidity.
 

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Blackleaf said:
France's Crackpot Comedian
By Steven Plaut
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 2, 2006


Dieudonné M'Bala M'Bala - a Frenchman of British and Cameroonian ancestry.



Blackleaf said:
Not the least significant reason for Dieudonné’s appeal is his eagerness to pander to the anti-Israel prejudices of French audiences. In one of his more notorious acts, he
dressed up as a uniformed Israeli settler in the Palestinian occupied territories, gave Nazi salutes, and called upon young people to “join the American-Zionist axis.”



Wrong he never gave the nazi salute in this show, but the following is true, he called upon young people to " joing the american-zionist axis" cause it will be the only one who will give you oportunies in jobs, and more importantly to give you the opportunity to live longer, and honestly i think this is really funny.


Blackleaf said:
He also likes to dress up as a rabbi on stage and cry "Isra-heil!" During an anti-Israel sketch in which he portrays Hitler in his bunker, Dieudonné closes with the line: "You will see, in the future, people will come to realize that I, Adolf Hitler, was really a moderate."

True he dressed up like a rabbi and cry "israel heil" but never mentioned hitler in his sketch.

Blackleaf said:
As such punch lines suggest, Dieudonné has a fairly extensive repertoire of anti-Jewish "humor." He frequently attacks Jews for "whining" about the Holocaust even as they are "mistreating" the Palestinians.

Yes it is true, he says they are mistreating the palestinians, but it is what most of the world think, he doesnt attacks jews on the holocost, he says that others peoples too have suffered in history, not just the jew, and he is fucking right.


Blackleaf said:
It has been reported that Dieudonné described the Holocaust as a “memorial pornography.” In his standup sketches, Dieudonné does an impression of Bernard-Henri Lévy, the Jewish-French philosopher, haggling with a street potato seller. Dieudonné-as-Lévy says: "How can you ask me to pay so much when 6 million of us died in the Holocaust?"

total bullshit, he doesnt describes the holocost as a memorial pornography",that is ridicoulus, same thing for bernard henri levy, the only thing he says about this guy, that he isnot a real phylosopher, and he deserve no attention, because this bernard henri levy was doing an anti-dieudonner propaganda, which is not going to see dieudonner show.


Blackleaf said:
Dieudonné also insists that Jews were behind the slave trade that brought Africans in chains to the Western Hemisphere. He also says Jews played a “central role” in the 15th-century slave trade. (In fact, they did, but as slaves; in the 15th century, virutally all European slaves were from Europe.)


Wrong, again, now i understand where you get those stupidity.

read my lips

DIEUDONNER INSIST THAT FRENCH PEOPLES PLAYED A CENTROL ROLE IN THE 15TH CENTURY, NOT THE JEW.


Blackleaf said:
And Dieudonné does not limit himself to verbal attacks on Jews. This April, for instance, he was walking down a Parisian avenue with his two kids when two Jewish passersby, one aged 19 and the other 25, recognized Dieudonné and walked up to him to express their dislike of some of his more openly anti-Jewish remarks. They told him that they believed that his bigotry lay behind the recent torture and murder of a Jewish teenager in Paris, Ilan Halimi.

Dieudonné did not take their criticism well. After walking his two kids home, he took out a tear gas canister and went back out to the boulevard, searched out his two Jewish critics, and sprayed them with the tear gas. It was obviously a pre-meditated assault; the victims reported the attack to the gendarmerie and Dieudonné was arrested. But his publicist told the French media that Dieudonné had himself been attacked by "two right-wing Zionists from the Extremist Right," adding that their verbal "attack on him" proved how "extremist Jews and Zionists are."

Again not true at all, same for the rest , is outrageous, and you understand why now, you shouldnt be taken seriously black leaf.



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"Quand l’intégrisme musulman et chrétien est critiqué, personne ne s’indigne"

« Je suis étonné de l’étonnement de la population autour de l’affaire de Dieudonné, d’autant plus qu’il a présenté ses excuses aux personnes qu’il a heurtées. Si la justice condamnait cet humoriste pour antisémitisme et si je pensais qu’il l’était, je serais le premier à le dénoncer avec la plus grande virulence. Ce n’est pas le cas. Auparavant, Dieudonné s’est moqué de l’intégrisme musulman et chrétien. Il se moque aussi de ses origines camerounaises (il est métisse, de père camerounais et de mère bretonne) ; il a fallu qu’il s’attaque aux Juifs pour être interdit de spectacle. Ce qui prouve qu’il y a deux poids deux mesures. Il y a quelques semaines encore, le réalisateur Claude Chabrol était invité sur le plateau de ‘On ne peut pas plaire à tout le monde’ (l’émission où Dieudonné a fait le sketch incriminé). Il a fait une blague qui disait, en substance, qu’il est bien connu que les bonnes sœurs adorent aller en Afrique pour se faire violer par les Africains. Personne ne s’est indigné. Ce qui témoigne, selon moi, d’une certaine hypocrisie. Dieudonné est au cœur d’un mauvais procès qui me fait penser que nous sommes retournés au temps de l’inquisition. »



Claudy Siar, animateur de radio à RFI (Couleurs Tropicales)
"La communauté maghrébine devrait nous soutenir"

« Je serai l’un des principaux artisans de la manifestation de soutien de Dieudonné de ce vendredi. Je pense que nous serons nombreux. Il y aura des footballeurs, des comédiens et même Manu Dibango, qui ne se déplace que rarement, sera là. La polémique s’est focalisée sur le prétendu antisémitisme de Dieudonné, alors qu’il ne l’est pas. Même Marc-Olivier Fogiel m’a confié en privé qu’il savait qu’il ne l’était pas. Mais il ne faut pas oublier le SMS raciste passé dans son émission et orchestré par sa boîte de production. C’est aussi contre ça que la communauté noire se rassemble aujourd’hui. D’ailleurs je regrette que la communauté maghrébine ne se soit pas manifestée en faveur de Dieudonné, alors que c’est parce qu’il a voulu défendre la cause palestinienne qu’il en est là aujourd’hui. Je regrette aussi que la France ne se soit pas donnée les moyens de le protéger pour qu’il assure son spectacle. Cela participe à entretenir le sentiment de rejet qu’éprouve la communauté noire. Or la France ne doit pas être une terre où les communautés s’opposent. Lorsqu’un groupe est victime de racisme, c’est toutes les communautés qui doivent se sentir affectées. »

http://www.afrik.com/article7071.html



Dont know how to read french?

no probleme here is a web site that can translate for you.


http://babelfish.altavista.com/
 

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NaturalLemonFlavour said:
Why is it that neo-Nazi's and anti-Semites seem to think that it's fine for them to ridicule us, and then when someone points out that it isn't, they say:

Roger said:
Why is it that everyone can be made fun of except for the Jews?

The answer is, no one should be "made fun of" on a racial basis: racial "jokes" are simply unacceptable. I have never been a fan of "comedians" that rely on racial stereotypes to survive in the business. Accordingly, I have never been a fan of Dave Chappelle, nor any other comedian of that genre. He's the only one that comes to mind right away.


Why didnt the black get on dieudonner, when he ridicule them??

Why didnt the muslim get on dieudonner, when he ridicule them??

Why didnt the chrisitans get on dieudonner, when he ridicule them??

Why didnt the french get on dieudonner, when he ridicule them by saying they were the central role in slavery trade in 15h century??



Dieudonner criticized, period, nothing else and nothing more.
 

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aeon said:
NaturalLemonFlavour said:
Why is it that neo-Nazi's and anti-Semites seem to think that it's fine for them to ridicule us, and then when someone points out that it isn't, they say:

Roger said:
Why is it that everyone can be made fun of except for the Jews?

The answer is, no one should be "made fun of" on a racial basis: racial "jokes" are simply unacceptable. I have never been a fan of "comedians" that rely on racial stereotypes to survive in the business. Accordingly, I have never been a fan of Dave Chappelle, nor any other comedian of that genre. He's the only one that comes to mind right away.


Why didnt the black get on dieudonner, when he ridicule them??

Why didnt the muslim get on dieudonner, when he ridicule them??

Why didnt the chrisitans get on dieudonner, when he ridicule them??

Why didnt the french get on dieudonner, when he ridicule them by saying they were the central role in slavery trade in 15h century??

I couldn't tell you why any of these people "got on Dieudonner", but as a part-Black Jew, I can tell you most assuredly, I am upset.
:wink:

Just because someone doesn't express their outrage so vocally, it does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that they are not offended. Not having anyone point out racism doesn't make it not racism.
 

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I couldn't tell you why any of these people "got on Dieudonner", but as a part-Black Jew, I can tell you most assuredly, I am upset.
:wink:

Just because someone doesn't express their outrage so vocally, it does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that they are not offended. Not having anyone point out racism doesn't make it not racism.

You are upset for absotly no reason, criticizing a governement shoudnt be labeled as racist, dieudonner only says what others are afraid to say, he doesnt follow any rules, he talks from the heart, and he is one of the best humorist i ever heard in my entire life, criticizing politics, criticizing way of life, only bring question to debate,thats all.

The only things that comes out from this, it is ok in our society to make fun of the musliims, the blacks, their religion, but touch those who are opressing peoples and violating international law on a daily basis is bad,you will be fried in public, cause they are part of the "axis of good" the only axis that will give you oppurtunity for jobs and to live longer.

by the way , it is a quote from dieudonner, that i love to say.
 

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NaturalemonFlavour, pucker up.

It doesn't matter what level you make humour at the expense of the Jews - or in this case point out that it's "Verboten" to make fun of them on any level. You can't do either with out being accused of being a Neo-Nazi or an Anti-Semite. BOO! It must be a Fifth Columnist manipulating Freedom of Speech!

Dieudonné bashes EVERYONE EQUALLY, but you've obviously NEVER seen one of his performances. He's biting, sharp witted, and one of the few fresh performers on stage today who makes you really stop and think about a LOT of things. But Mon Dieu St. Anne, he pointed out that the Jews weren't perfect just like the rest of us, and we have to burn him on the cross for it? Sorry, freedom of speech prevails and will not be silenced by Anti-Gentilists. It's Fascists who are determined to silence people, regardless if they're right or wrong. When you point a finger at someone, you have three pointing back at yourself.

I'm not an Anti-Semite. I never met an Arab that I DIDN'T like. A "Neo Nazi"? You obviously haven't the first clue what that really is or you wouldn't use the term so loosely and you can get yourself into some deep trouble for it as well.

Remember your words the next time you stumble upon a rerun of that lame series "Not Necessarily The News" where Catholicism and the Pope were bashed weekly to no end. It was funny until people put it together that everybody was being bashed in that show except for Jews. Now THAT'S BULLSHIT. If you can't laugh at yourself, you're doomed.

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Roger said:
It doesn't matter what level you make humour at the expense of the Jews - or in this case point out that it's "Verboten" to make fun of them on any level. You can't do either with out being accused of being a Neo-Nazi or an Anti-Semite. BOO! It must be a Fifth Columnist manipulating Freedom of Speech!

I don't think you really understand what I'm saying.

Dieudonné bashes EVERYONE EQUALLY,

That doesn't make it any better.

and we have to burn him on the cross for it?

I don't recall saying that. :)

Sorry, freedom of speech prevails and will not be silenced by Anti-Gentilists. It's Fascists who are determined to silence people, regardless if they're right or wrong.

A. I never called for him to be "silenced", that is a claim that you pulled out of your ass.

B. Fascists --> Read the first line of this Wikipedia article. :roll:

I'm not an Anti-Semite. I never met an Arab that I DIDN'T like.

A. I never asserted that you were an Anti-Semite, but the more I read your posts, the more I suspect that you dislike Jews for no other reason than the fact that they are Jews. But perhaps you dislike Israeli policy, in which case I encourage you to read this (you may have to scroll down a bit, to "the nature...")

B. What does "never meeting an Arab that you DIDN'T like" have anything to do with being an Anti-Semite? Perhaps you are suggesting some correlation between Anti-Semitism and Arabs? If you read my previous posts, you will notice that I never drew any such parallel.

A "Neo Nazi"? You obviously haven't the first clue what that really is or you wouldn't use the term so loosely and you can get yourself into some deep trouble for it as well.

I imagine you could get into "some deep trouble" by virtue of being a neo-Nazi, hmm?

Remember your words the next time you stumble upon a rerun of that lame series "Not Necessarily The News" where Catholicism and the Pope were bashed weekly to no end. It was funny until people put it together that everybody was being bashed in that show except for Jews. Now THAT'S BULLSHIT. If you can't laugh at yourself, you're doomed.

I laugh at myself every day. What I don't do is laugh at myself because I am Jewish. :wink:


:!: Edit: I have seen an "episode" of his. Our summer house was formerly in Southern France. We moved it to Portugal, where there was a lower rate of anti-Semitic incidents. :p
 

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aeon said:
NaturalLemonFlavour said:
I couldn't tell you why any of these people "got on Dieudonner", but as a part-Black Jew, I can tell you most assuredly, I am upset.
:wink:

Just because someone doesn't express their outrage so vocally, it does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that they are not offended. Not having anyone point out racism doesn't make it not racism.

You are upset for absotly no reason, criticizing a comedian shoudnt be labeled as a move against free speech, I only says what others are afraid to say, I doesnt follow any rules, I talks from the heart, and I is one of the best looking people I have ever seen in my entire life, criticizing out-of-touch comedians, criticizing way of life, only bring question to debate,thats all.

The only things that comes out from this, it is ok in our society to say that not enough people are criticizing the Jews , the other assorted, under-the-radar ethnic minorities

Blahblahblah. In your face. :)

:!: EDIT: Fixing a formatting error.
:!: :!: EDIT 2: Fixing a spelling error.
 

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NaturalemonFlavour, pucker up.

It doesn't matter what level you make humour at the expense of the Jews - or in this case point out that it's "Verboten" to make fun of them on any level. You can't do either with out being accused of being a Neo-Nazi or an Anti-Semite. BOO! It must be a Fifth Columnist manipulating Freedom of Speech!

Dieudonné bashes EVERYONE EQUALLY, but you've obviously NEVER seen one of his performances. He's biting, sharp witted, and one of the few fresh performers on stage today who makes you really stop and think about a LOT of things. But Mon Dieu St. Anne, he pointed out that the Jews weren't perfect just like the rest of us, and we have to burn him on the cross for it? Sorry, freedom of speech prevails and will not be silenced by Anti-Gentilists. It's Fascists who are determined to silence people, regardless if they're right or wrong. When you point a finger at someone, you have three pointing back at yourself.

I'm not an Anti-Semite. I never met an Arab that I DIDN'T like. A "Neo Nazi"? You obviously haven't the first clue what that really is or you wouldn't use the term so loosely and you can get yourself into some deep trouble for it as well.

Remember your words the next time you stumble upon a rerun of that lame series "Not Necessarily The News" where Catholicism and the Pope were bashed weekly to no end. It was funny until people put it together that everybody was being bashed in that show except for Jews. Now THAT'S BULLSHIT. If you can't laugh at yourself, you're doomed.

Roger.


Dieudonner, doesnt bashed everyone, he criticized everyone, quite different. :wink:
 

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NaturalLemonFlavour said:
aeon said:
NaturalLemonFlavour said:
I couldn't tell you why any of these people "got on Dieudonner", but as a part-Black Jew, I can tell you most assuredly, I am upset.
:wink:

Just because someone doesn't express their outrage so vocally, it does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that they are not offended. Not having anyone point out racism doesn't make it not racism.

You are upset for absotly no reason, criticizing a comedian shoudnt be labeled as a move against free speech, I only says what others are afraid to say, I doesnt follow any rules, I talks from the heart, and I is one of the best looking people I have ever seen in my entire life, criticizing out-of-touch comedians, criticizing way of life, only bring question to debate,thats all.

The only things that comes out from this, it is ok in our society to say that not enough people are criticizing the Jews , the other assorted, under-the-radar ethnic minorities

Blahblahblah. In your face. :)

:!: EDIT: Fixing a formatting error.
:!: :!: EDIT 2: Fixing a spelling error.


Nice edit on my post, i dont know what you are trying to do or proved, but it is quite retarded and childish.
 

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Gee, this all began as a question.

What has been proven here is to merely question gets someone labled something negative. That in itself is wrong.

Naturallemon is a "Half Black Jew". So what? Why do you categorize yourself, and why should it matter what anyone here is or isn't?

It shouldn't matter what anybody is, and you don't know if I'm a Jew, black, Christian, Muslim, Shinto, French, German, Russian, Lithuanian, Kenyan, Nigerian, Dutch..... Either people laugh at the comedians humour or you have a problem with it.

Now, Why did I bring up liking Arabs? Because it's such a demonstration of prejudice when someone comes out and questions anything about Jews, Israel, whatever, to blindly infer the source as being Anti-Semitic. Beyond a worn out defense mechanism that doesn't work anymore, that unto itself is an act of racism.

Aeon, please clarify if you think there's a difference between "Bashing" and "Criticising", what are they to you?

Love to you both,

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aeon said:
NaturalLemonFlavour said:
aeon said:
NaturalLemonFlavour said:
I couldn't tell you why any of these people "got on Dieudonner", but as a part-Black Jew, I can tell you most assuredly, I am upset.
:wink:

Just because someone doesn't express their outrage so vocally, it does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that they are not offended. Not having anyone point out racism doesn't make it not racism.

You are upset for absotly no reason, criticizing a comedian shoudnt be labeled as a move against free speech, I only says what others are afraid to say, I doesnt follow any rules, I talks from the heart, and I is one of the best looking people I have ever seen in my entire life, criticizing out-of-touch comedians, criticizing way of life, only bring question to debate,thats all.

The only things that comes out from this, it is ok in our society to say that not enough people are criticizing the Jews , the other assorted, under-the-radar ethnic minorities

Blahblahblah. In your face. :)

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Nice edit on my post, i dont know what you are trying to do or proved, but it is quite retarded and childish.

No reply to it? I'm basically making the same points as you made in your original post...
 

NaturalLemonFlavour

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Re: RE: France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

Gee, this all began as a question.

What has been proven here is to merely question gets someone labled something negative. That in itself is wrong.

"Merely questioning" is not what he is doing. He is outright insulting - something I find tasteless. Nonetheless, it is certainly his right to make an ass of himself. It should hardly be surprising when someone takes offense to his words.

Naturallemon is a "Half Black Jew". So what? Why do you categorize yourself, and why should it matter what anyone here is or isn't?

That isn't me "catagorizing" myself. That is me identifying myself. It was particularly relevant to the topic at hand. I don't usually introduce myself as such. And I'm part-Black, not half. :p

Now, Why did I bring up liking Arabs? Because it's such a demonstration of prejudice when someone comes out and questions anything about Jews, Israel, whatever, to blindly infer the source as being Anti-Semitic. Beyond a worn out defense mechanism that doesn't work anymore, that unto itself is an act of racism.

Arabs have not been mentioned once during this discussion (to my knowledge), so I don't see the relevance of it, still...

A "worn out defense mechanism"? Hahaha, so next time someone insults the Jews, we had best... suck it up? No thanks. I will by all means field questions about Jews and Israeli policy. What I will speak out against is BLATANT PREJUDICED COMMENTS.

I.e.: A good situation that no one should really object to:

Bob: "I don't like that the Israeli government is doing this and this and this. They shouldn't be doing this because of reason1, reason2, and reason3."

A bad situation:

Bob: "I don't like Jews because the Israeli government is doing this and this and this!!!!"

What Dieudonne (spelling?) is doing is not Situation A. It is Situation B, which is tasteless and unacceptable, no matter who the joke is about.


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Re: RE: France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

NaturalLemonFlavour said:
Gee, this all began as a question.

What has been proven here is to merely question gets someone labled something negative. That in itself is wrong.

"Merely questioning" is not what he is doing. He is outright insulting - something I find tasteless. Nonetheless, it is certainly his right to make an ass of himself. It should hardly be surprising when someone takes offense to his words.

Naturallemon is a "Half Black Jew". So what? Why do you categorize yourself, and why should it matter what anyone here is or isn't?

That isn't me "catagorizing" myself. That is me identifying myself. It was particularly relevant to the topic at hand. I don't usually introduce myself as such. And I'm part-Black, not half. :p

Now, Why did I bring up liking Arabs? Because it's such a demonstration of prejudice when someone comes out and questions anything about Jews, Israel, whatever, to blindly infer the source as being Anti-Semitic. Beyond a worn out defense mechanism that doesn't work anymore, that unto itself is an act of racism.

Arabs have not been mentioned once during this discussion (to my knowledge), so I don't see the relevance of it, still...

A "worn out defense mechanism"? Hahaha, so next time someone insults the Jews, we had best... suck it up? No thanks. I will by all means field questions about Jews and Israeli policy. What I will speak out against is BLATANT PREJUDICED COMMENTS.

I.e.: A good situation that no one should really object to:

Bob: "I don't like that the Israeli government is doing this and this and this. They shouldn't be doing this because of reason1, reason2, and reason3."

A bad situation:

Bob: "I don't like Jews because the Israeli government is doing this and this and this!!!!"

What Dieudonne (spelling?) is doing is not Situation A. It is Situation B, which is tasteless and unacceptable, no matter who the joke is about.


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Ridicoulus, you are asssuming something withouth any proof.
Dieudonner likes the jews, he said it many times, it is the governement of israel who he hates and extremist zionist, which i completly agree with.

Like roger asked you, have you seen him live or you just read this crap articles ??which is completly biased, cause i ve seen the sketch and all of his shows(almost), none of them were anti-semitic, none even close, he criticzed that's all.
 

NaturalLemonFlavour

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Re: RE: France's anti-Semitic "comedian."

Roger said:
Don't worry, I'm sure he'll get around to it.

Naturallemon, have you seen the show, or just read the article about Dieudonné?

Seen the show, twice. Although admittedly, my French is subpar, so his exact meaning may have been lost in translation.