Let's have home rule for the English.

Blackleaf

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As it is St George's Day on Sunday.........

Let's Have Home Rule For The English.

Fergus Shanahan, Deputy Editor of The Sun and a proud Englishman.


England needs to get its independence from Scotland.

There's a great line in Braveheart where the slippery King Edward says: "The trouble with Scotland is that it's full of Scots."

I have nothing personal against Scots. Some of my best friends are Scots.

But I am fed up with the way Scotland is allowed to run England. And as St George's Day approaches this Sunday, and England rallies proudly around its flag for the World Cup, this is the moment for the English to ask ourselves what we want to do about it.

Scotland is a great country. It has always punched above its weight.

William Wallace. James Watt. Rabbie Burns. Robbie Coltrane. The Bay City Rollers.

But what can you say about a nation that has Donald Where's Yer Troosers as its national anthem?

Scotland wants to go its own way. So does Wales.

The Scots have their Parliament. The Welsh have their Assembly. Even the Northern Irish are allowed self-government if they can stop squabbling long enough.

So why not the English?

It's the English who pick up most of Scotland's bills: £10 billion a year of English taxes go in Scot pockets.

On average, £1,300 more per person is spent on education, health, and social services in Scotland, Wales and Ulster than in England.

The Scottish Parliament refuses to charge students tuition fees. Yet Scots Labour MPs helped Blair win the Commons top-up fees battle when English MPs were against it.

English MPs voted against foundation hospitals but Blair won with the backing of Scots MPs, even though the Scots Labour party and Scots Parliament OPPOSED them.

It is not the political issues so much as the principle. Why should Scottish MPs UNELECTED by English people be able to run England when English MPs cannot run Scotland?

And as Blair's authority ebbs away he will become ever more dependent on Scottish support to pass laws affecting England.

The unfairness is overwhelming.

All Scottish MPs at Westminster can vote on every issue that affects England. But Westminster has hardly any say over Scotland. Scottish MPs can be ministers in London, handing out orders to the English which have no effect on their own constituents. And the Labour Government is stuffed with Scots, from Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling to John Reid and their stooge "Gorbals" Mick Martin, Speaker of the Commons.

Gordon Broon subjects English pensioners to means-testing yet his Dunfermline constituents escape it.

Unlike English OAPs, elderly Scots are not forced to sell their family homes to pay for care.

Since the Scots voted for devolution in 1997 they have taken over running nearly all their affairs. But they are quite happy for England to continue to pick up the bills. I say it's time for Scotland to go the whole hog. Let's treble the height of Hadrian's Wall to form a proper border, and let Scotland and England be independent nations. The Scots can raise their own taxes to pay their way in the world.

There's still a bit of oil left in the North Sea to keep them going. And when that runs out, they can flog some more kilts to the Americans or use their empty oil tankers to ship some water down to the parched farms of Kent and Essex.

As for the Welsh, let them have a crack at self-government too. If they run short of fuel, all they have to do is sit Neil Kinnock in front of a wind turbine and he'll generate enough electricity to light the valleys for a thousand years.

Why shouldn't England be allowed to get excited about itself as an independent nation?

When the Scots and the Welsh and the Northern Irish fly their flag, it is seen as good old-fashioned love of country.

But raise the English flag of St George in your garden and there is an uneasy sense that people may think you are some rabid nutter.

Nationalism, which means quite simply the love of your own nation, has been allowed to become a tainted word.

Come the World Cup the English flag will be flying high.

Let's keep it that way when the footie's over.

It's time England had a new Parliament - for the English.

thesun.co.uk
 

Machjo

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There are some legitimate arguments there. So if Scotland, Wales and NI have their Assemblies, it's only reasonable for England to have its, no?
 

Machjo

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Hey, maybe you could really make things equal. The british Partliament could start hiring Welsh/Scottish/English/Irish interpreters, while each of the national Assemblies would be unilingual in its respective language. :D
 

zoofer

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Plug in Canada for England and Quebec for Scotland and note the similarities.
 

Daz_Hockey

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RE: Let's have home rule

dont tell the Irish Americans that, or the zealots in the US, I mean who'd believe that the evil imperialists that is England (a country who's people oddly enough speak and are English) should want their own independence nd freedom as a country.

well I think the facts above speak for themselves, but are usually ignored by people when it suits them
 

Daz_Hockey

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RE: Let's have home rule

Machjo, the welsh assembly DO speak in welsh, I cannae understand em
 

Machjo

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zoofer said:
Plug in Canada for England and Quebec for Scotland and note the similarities.

Actually, England is a part of the UK, so perhaps a closer similarity would be to compare England to the ROC.
 

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If you guys didn't want to be "ruled" by Scotts why did you spend all those years trying to keep Scottland? It didn't have to be this way you know....
 

Daz_Hockey

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RE: Let's have home rule

besides, as my scottish mate would tell you, "ock laddie, it's not actually our land anyway, it's the picts, the scottie tribe are irish"....ipsofacto it's another bunch of irish invaders telling US what to do :)
 

Blackleaf

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Daz, have you heard of the EDP (English Democrat Party).

They were formed in 2002 and are our equivalent of Scotland's SNP.

Here's what their chairman Robin Tilbrook says on their website -




The English Democrats party was formed in 2002 because the New labour Government in its rush to secure national devolution for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, completely ignored the interests and indeed the existence of England. Our primary objective is the creation of an English Parliament and Executive within the United Kingdom with the same powers as the Scottish Parliament and Executive.

We believe that the people of the England need a political party which will represent their interests and the interests of England as a nation in its own right. We are proud to call ourselves English patriots but we are not racists or extremists. Membership of the English Democrats Party is open to anyone, whatever their ethnicity or culture. All we require is that members are broadly in agreement with our manifesto and abide by the rules of our constitution.

We are committed to the creation of a Parliament for England but we are not a single issue party. We are committed to government of the people of England, by the people of England and for the people of England. We believe it is important to preserve the traditional freedoms of the people of England such as Habeas Corpus and trial by Jury. We believe in a system of government that gives as much power and freedom as possible to the people and communities of England

As a political party we recognise that real Democracy is much more than the ability to choose, from time to time, between broadly similar parties which compete amongst themselves for power. Real democracy is measured by the ability of the people to manage their political, economic, physical, and cultural environment. We believe in real LOCAL Government not artificial Regional Bureaucracies. We believe that any change in the Constitution or Government of England should only be made by the people of England in a Referendum

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We believe that the people of England have the right to decide whether they wish to remain part of the European Union. If the people of England wish to remain part of the European Union then they are entitled to have their views and interests represented in the EU in the same way that the interests of Scotland and Wales are represented by their Devolved executives.

English Democrats come from widely varying backgrounds and from all parts of England. We are a new, vigorous and growing group of individuals frustrated by the failures and arrogance of the professional politicians of the existing parties. Join us and play a part in building a party that represents your views, your interests and your country.

English Democrat Chairman Robin Tilbrook

englishdemocrats.org.uk
 

Blackleaf

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I found this anti-Scottish article, written by......a Scotsman....


A question put by the Scots classical scholar J.S. Blackie to the master of Balliol College, Benjamin Jowett (an Englishman):

J.S. Blackie: ‘What do you think of us?’

Benjamin Jowett: ’Sir, we never think of you at all’

And neither they do, not then (the 19th century) and not now (the 21st century). Yet this fact seems oddly to be lost on many of my fellow countrymen. The sententiousness of the tedious Scotch bore when correcting the confusion of England / Britain is a strange phenomenon, and indeed many of them barely realise that they are doing it. The real problem is this, in the world today Scotland is a total irrelevance. Most Scots with a brain actually do realise this (and hence why they often bugger off elsewhere), but the tedious Scotch bore (and he is not that rare) goes on correcting Englishmen as if they actually gave a sh!t, and believe me they really don’t. Scotland could sink beneath the waves and the majority of Englishmen would, frankly, neither notice nor care. That is why I never bother about the English British thing, it is just an utter waste of time.

The tedious Scotch bore correcting the English British thing is however not the whole story. Look at the following:


As the average Englishman moves about the home he calls his castle, watch him enjoy a typical English breakfast of toast and marmalade invented by Mrs Keiller of Dundee, Scotland; see him slipping into his national costume, a soiled raincoat, patented by Charles MacIntosh, a Glasgow druggist; and follow his footsteps over the linoleum flooring invented in Kirkcaldy, Scotland. On The Road Out he goes - along the English lane surfaced by John MacAdam of Ayr, Scotland (known as the MacAdamized road), smoking an English cigarette, first manufactured by Robert Croag of Perthshire, Scotland. He hops aboard an English bus, which is using tyres invented by John Boyd Dunlop, of Dreghorn, Scotland and later completes his journey by rail. (A reminder the James Watt of Greenock, Scotland invented the Steam Engine). At the office he is presented with the morning mail containing adhesive stamps invented by John Chalmers of Dundee, Scotland; and periodically during the day, he reaches for the telephone, invented by Alexander Graham Bell, born of Scottish parents.



I will spare you anymore of this awful tripe, needless to say there is more and it carries on in much the same vain. You can even find it printed on tea towels on sale in souvenir shops. The above isn’t an example of pride in Scottish achievements, it is symptomatic of a sad inferiority complex. As usual the English are very much at the centre of things.

Now the Englishman on the other hand has no live questions of identity, he has no bits of history that still require resolution, he is perfectly content merely to be an Englishman. He does not feel the need to always be pointing out how different he is to Scotsmen (or to any other men) the way Scotsmen do to Englishman. He is totally uninterested in Scotland, and that probably infuriates many Scots, especially the braindead loony nationalists who never stop going on about England (and indeed seem to see everywhere Englishman plotting to do Scotland down). The Englishman regards the tedious Scotch bore merely with bemused tolerance.

The English historian David Starkey once said "Scotland matters for a single reason, which is its involvement with England from the 17th century onwards. Then it becomes important". Self evidently true of course, as I said Scotland is irrelevant which I think is the real problem here. Was Starkey just ignored? Of course not stupid! It would have been very unScottish to have just ignored him (that’s the sort of thing the English would do!). No sir, not only did the usual turds start bleating on about who invented tarmac, but some silly arse MSP (one of the SNP morons) actually tabled a motion in Parliament! Yes he did! That is NOT a joke:

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/bu.../bb-10-25f.htm

I mean how sad is that? Would any other parliament in the developed world have paid such a remark any attention at all, let alone done something so pathetic as table a motion in their parliament about it? The answer is no, however it does again illustrate the problem. There is no real Scottish culture, the whole thing (tartan & bagpipes etc) is an artful construct, built specifically by Scots in a rather desperate attempt to distinguish ourselves from the English, and so all the tedious Scotch bore really has in the end is not being English and trying to ignore the fact that his nation is irrelevant in the modern world. And in psychological terms that leaves him pretty much fcuked.

Being relevant isn't all there is to life, and I hope all tedious Scotch bores get over it soon.