The Collapse of Globalism, JR Saul, Book Review

dumpthemonarchy

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I read John Raulston Saul's book, The Collapse of Globalism. It states that Globalism is dead, and of course he means economic Globalism, it died in the mid 1990s. I bet most of you didn't know that. I didn't. I thought economic globalization was alive and well. Since its all about the money. Globalization as JR Saul means and most people understand it, is privatization, deregulation and unfettered open markets.

On page 34 the text states regarding Globalization:

"In early 2004 the editor of Newsweek, Fareed Zakari, wrote, 'For almost every country today, its primary struggle centres on globalization issues -- growth, poverty eradication, disease prevention, education, urbanization the preservation of identity.' He is right. Except most of these are not in any direct way Globalization issues. They are international, regional and nation-state issues."

Global issues today are whatever anyone says they are. Some keep close to the original economic doctrine as possible and others want to expand the meaning of the word to include other issues. AIDS in Africa doesn't affect me, sorry.

People today who use the word global-ism-izer-ization are generally talking trash. No one can use the word intelligently in a sentence. There are no jokes about it.
 

cortez

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yeah-- i guess at least one continent has recently voted against globilisation
ie -- south america
whatever the ism thats required -- its not the G word
some form of free trade but closely coupled with internatioanally agreed working and wage standards enforced by strong but responsible goverments
 

karra

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I didn't realise anyone read his stuff. . . .

People today who use the word global-ism-izer-ization are generally talking trash. No one can use the word intelligently in a sentence. There are no jokes about it.
Does that include Jahnny Three Names I wonder. . . .
 

Said1

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Although I haven't read the book, I wouldn't necessarily say it's dead. I would say that a global institutionalism has taken it's place, or is on the rise or whatever you want to call it. Globalism is alive and well, maybe not in it's prefered anarchaic state, but it exists nonetheless.
 

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Globalization of the world economy is not dead, perhaps at times set back but I doubt it will ever die out completely. We may not live in a world of fare trade or free trade, but with the exchange of world wide labour, and more or less the weakening of the tarifs, I do not see a return to mercanilism, or command econmies in the near future. Perhaps we are living in a hybreed of all three these days.
 

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The usual degenerate responses from the unwashed masses. Not bad.

Perhaps we've become cultural globalists like so many of us are cultural Christians, because being a fanatic is just plain cruel and you can only wreck so many world economies. We can't talk without money, but we also know we're not going to millionaires when we ever grow up.

How come that ex-Muslim neuvo Christian is not a "global" (sorry) issue? The media seems awfully quiet about it. Everyone understands religion better than deregulation, tariffs, and privatization I bet.

Eat my global whatever. Hey baby, let's get global.
I also recently read Linda McQuaig's "All You Can Eat: Greed Lust and New Capitalism".

Voracious appetites are what it's all about these days, bigger is better.
 

MMMike

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Globalism is dead? Gee, somebody better tell the 1 billion + Chinese... I don't think they got the memo! :lol:
 

Said1

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Re: RE: The Collapse of Globalism, JR Saul, Book Review

dumpthemonarchy said:
The usual degenerate responses from the unwashed masses. Not bad.

Perhaps we've become cultural globalists like so many of us are cultural Christians, because being a fanatic is just plain cruel and you can only wreck so many world economies. We can't talk without money, but we also know we're not going to millionaires when we ever grow up.

How come that ex-Muslim neuvo Christian is not a "global" (sorry) issue? The media seems awfully quiet about it. Everyone understands religion better than deregulation, tariffs, and privatization I bet.

Eat my global whatever. Hey baby, let's get global.
I also recently read Linda McQuaig's "All You Can Eat: Greed Lust and New Capitalism".

Voracious appetites are what it's all about these days, bigger is better.

Well, despite all the movie rip offs etc from above, it doesn't change the fact that your not exactly, uh.....right. Institutionalism is the way to go babe.....I got you babe....."I say, deliver me from clever art!" Isn't Tyler Druden dreamy?
 

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Re: RE: The Collapse of Globalism, JR Saul, Book Review

dumpthemonarchy said:
The usual degenerate responses from the unwashed masses. Not bad.

Ahhh, a Liberal supporter.
 

darkbeaver

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Re: RE: The Collapse of Globalism, JR Saul, Book Review

dumpthemonarchy said:
The usual degenerate responses from the unwashed masses. Not bad.

Perhaps we've become cultural globalists like so many of us are cultural Christians, because being a fanatic is just plain cruel and you can only wreck so many world economies. We can't talk without money, but we also know we're not going to millionaires when we ever grow up.

How come that ex-Muslim neuvo Christian is not a "global" (sorry) issue? The media seems awfully quiet about it. Everyone understands religion better than deregulation, tariffs, and privatization I bet.

Eat my global whatever. Hey baby, let's get global.
I also recently read Linda McQuaig's "All You Can Eat: Greed Lust and New Capitalism".

Voracious appetites are what it's all about these days, bigger is better.

That was a good book eh.
 

Toro

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RE: The Collapse of Globa

I read part of it too.

Its hard to take Saul seriously.

I especially liked the part when he refuted the World Bank study about how much globalization has helped the world, which I believe is this one. His basic argument was, "Well, I read it, including the footnotes..." as if that was a big accomplishmnet, then basically said, "Yeah, yeah it worked in China and India but.." as if the two countries with 1/3 of the world's population could just be tossed aside.

In Voltaire's Bastards, Saul made the argument that we had been in a "depression" since 1968.

He is an economic illiterate.
 

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MMMike said:
Globalism is dead? Gee, somebody better tell the 1 billion + Chinese... I don't think they got the memo! :lol:

People think in extremes. If something isn't pure then they think it's completely the other thing all the time. Just like how Ultra Conservatives call Canada or the USA Communist or socialist and communists call Canada or the USA extremly conservative or facsist.

It's true that in the purist sence we do not live in a world were globalization is dominate, and it also does not appear that we will ever live in a homogenized economic, labour, and so on world. But I do not see the advances of many aspects of globalization just going away.

Just like Socialism and Capitalism, or even Facsism and Communism, not any nation in the world has truly been 100% any of them. Even in nations which perhaps have socialism in there constitution you can most likely and easyly find capitalistic tendencys in many things, and the same goes for capitalistic nations, you can find socialist politices here and there.
 

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Re: RE: The Collapse of Globa

Toro said:
I read part of it too.

Its hard to take Saul seriously.

I especially liked the part when he refuted the World Bank study about how much globalization has helped the world, which I believe is this one. His basic argument was, "Well, I read it, including the footnotes..." as if that was a big accomplishmnet, then basically said, "Yeah, yeah it worked in China and India but.." as if the two countries with 1/3 of the world's population could just be tossed aside.

In Voltaire's Bastards, Saul made the argument that we had been in a "depression" since 1968.

He is an economic illiterate.

Voltaire's Bastards was great. I've been trying to finish it since 1999. Seriously. I pick it up, read, throw it against the wall and repeat.
 

darkbeaver

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Re: RE: The Collapse of Globa

Toro said:
I read part of it too.

Its hard to take Saul seriously.

I especially liked the part when he refuted the World Bank study about how much globalization has helped the world, which I believe is this one. His basic argument was, "Well, I read it, including the footnotes..." as if that was a big accomplishmnet, then basically said, "Yeah, yeah it worked in China and India but.." as if the two countries with 1/3 of the world's population could just be tossed aside.

In Voltaire's Bastards, Saul made the argument that we had been in a "depression" since 1968.

He is an economic illiterate.

It has been difficult for me to afford you much credibility Toro, first and several times I have seen you discount the importance of oil, incorrectly,and now you discount Sauls statement about the depression that I have witnessed since the early seventys, I will repeat the fact, there has been a steady decline in the real income
of north americans since the very early seventies.While you may not see this as a depression millions do. You are not an economic genius yourself.

PS The world bank , see Stiglitz.
 

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globalization is when a Bolivian family is not allowed to collect rainwater in a bucket because a French company controls the rights to all water in Bolivia. Globalization is when an Indian farmer must buy seed every year because the corn he is forced to grow is genetically modified not to reproduce. Globalization is when a Haitian farmer can't sell his sugar at market because he can't meet the price of the subsidized American importer. Its when a Ghanan family loses their water supply to pollution from tailings of a foreign owned mine.

Globalization is not dead. What has declined is real middle-class income. Multi-national corporate profits are way up in big Pharma, big Oil, textiles, agro-business. All areas of unchecked growth, government provided monopolies or tax diverted subsidies.