AL QAEDA NUCLEAR POWER

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Al Qaeda's nuclear option
By Arnaud de Borchgrave
Published March 24, 2006


President Bush says frequently "we are fighting them over there so they won't come over here." "Them" are transnational terrorists and "over there" is Iraq.

The insurgency in Iraq has much to do with al Qaeda's plans for a weapons of mass destruction (WMD) act of terrorism in the United States, but not the way the White House believes. Assuming the Bush administration is successful in midwifing democracy out of a near-civil war situation in Iraq, the WMD threat level will remain unchanged. High, that is.

Paradoxical though this may seem to Washington's armchair strategists, the defeat of the al Qaeda-Sunni insurgency in Iraq would actually heighten, not lessen, the danger of a September 11 CBRN (chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear) attack.

Defeated by the U.S. in Afghanistan and again in Iraq, al Qaeda would have to conclude its strategy of forcing the U.S. into a humiliating, Vietnamlike retreat has failed.

Arabic-speaker Professor Gilles Kepel, one of France's leading experts on al Qaeda, published last week "Al Qaeda dans le Texte," an analysis of the public and (intercepted) private utterances of the two Z's -- Ayman al-Zawahri (Osama bin Laden's No. 2) and Abu Musab Zarqawi, al Qaeda's insurgency honcho in Iraq. Stripped if its complexities, al Qaeda's strategy, Mr. Kepel explains, is to defeat the U.S. in Iraq, use this victory to roll over traditional oil-rich regimes in the Gulf that are security wards of the U.S., and then focus on Israel. But there is now an obstacle even greater than the U.S. -- Iran. Tehran, as seen through Zawahri's geopolitical viewfinder, is already calling the shots in large parts of Iraq. Whether the U.S. stays or leaves Iraq, concludes Zawahri, it's still Iran's ballgame. Which brings al Qaeda back to its WMD-in-America strategy.


"The Race Between Cooperation and Catastrophe," or why "the [nuclear] threat is outrunning our response" is how Sam Nunn, the former senator and co-chairman of the Nuclear Threat Initiative, describes an overarching terrorist construct. The starter's gun for this new race went off at the end of the Cold War. Congress has appropriated almost $12 billion under Nunn-Lugar legislation designed to enhance security in scores of former Soviet and now Russian nuclear weapons and nuclear materials storage sites. Another $20 billion was pledged for the same purpose at a G-8 summit of the major industrialized nations in Canada three years ago -- $1 billion by the U.S. and $1 billion by the other seven per year for 10 years.

There has been no cooperation from India in the nuclear security field, says Matthew Bunn, director of the Atom Project at Harvard. "China," he adds, "has secured one civilian facility."
With more than $30 billion in the button-down-the-nukes kitty, more than half the security work remains to be done. There are 43 countries with more than 100 research reactors or related facilities that store enough highly enriched uranium nuclear materials to make several bombs. Only 20 percent of these sites are properly secured, says Mr. Nunn, and less than a handful meet U.S. Energy Department security standards, says Mr. Bunn. Most countries consider the Energy Department security criteria too demanding.

Rather than try to steal or buy one of thousands of Russian tactical nukes, or nerve gas artillery shells, a WMD terrorist is far more likely to knock off the night watchman, lower the chain-link fence somewhere in Switzerland or Italy and drive off with sufficient materials for a nuclear device. Actually making a nuclear bomb after that is the easy part; the recipe is on the Internet.

Mr. Nunn, chairman of the board of trustees at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, says we appear to have forgotten the "devastating, world-changing impact of a nuclear [terrorist] attack. "If a 10-kiloton nuclear device goes off in Midtown Manhattan on a typical work day, it could kill more than half a million people," he explains. Ten kiloton is a plausible yield "for a crude terrorist bomb," according to Mr. Nunn.

Hauling that volume of explosives would require a freight train 100 cars long. As a nuclear bomb, it could easily fit on the back of a pickup truck.

Another Nunn scenario has a terrorist group with insider help acquiring a radiological source from an industrial or medical facility; say cesium-137 in the form of powdered cesium chloride. Conventional explosives are used to incorporate cesium into a "dirty bomb," then detonated in New York's financial district. A 60-square block area has to be evacuated. Millions flee the city in panic. Only two dozen are killed but billions of dollars of real estate is declared uninhabitable. Cleanup will take years -- and many more billions.

What interests bin Laden and Zawahri beyond casualty lists is collateral damage to civil liberties, privacy and the world economy. America, as they see it, would be knocked off its pinnacle. This would be the shot heard around the world and hundreds of millions of either frightened or jubilant Muslims would flock to the Muslim world's black Jolly Roger of white skull and crossbones.


In a routine exchange of information, Russia's chief intelligence officer in Washington notified his CIA liaison officer that al Qaeda operatives had been scouting nuclear storage sites in Russia.


It would be a miracle if nothing had been stolen from Russia's long ill-guarded nuclear weapons storage depots during the collapse of the Soviet Union when anything and everything was for sale.

We also know from sketches found in al Qaeda's safe houses in Kabul and Kandahar that bin Laden was interested in nuclear bomb design. Two Pakistani nuclear scientists from A.Q. Khan's stable were in Kandahar when this reporter was there three months before September 11, 2001.


The distance remaining to near-perfect security can be measured by how Mr. Nunn describes the adequacy of the U.S.-Russian response to the terrorist nuclear threat.
On a scale of 1 to 10," says Mr. Nunn, "I would give us about a 3, with the last summit between Presidents Bush and Putin moving us closer to a 4."

Arnaud de Borchgrave is editor at large of The Washington Times and of United Press International.
 

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jimmoyer said:
Funny how the above article inspires no passion.

It doesn't fit the narrative of the current zeitgeist
mindthink.

I think the reason why , nobody is stupid enough to eat this crap.
 

jimmoyer

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think the reason why , nobody is stupid enough to eat this crap.
----------------------------aeon--------------------------

This is a perfect example of correct skepticism of
American sin and a gullible blindness on any other
evil.
 

aeon

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jimmoyer said:
think the reason why , nobody is stupid enough to eat this crap.
----------------------------aeon--------------------------

This is a perfect example of correct skepticism of
American sin and a gullible blindness on any other
evil.


Going after the terrorist, is the same crap as we went after witches in the dark age, get real
 

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The American danager is that they piss off more and more people to act against the American empire as they see it. As more innocent people are harmed in these nations it's pushing avaerage and moderate people to new extremes. The best thing to happen to Al'Qaeda was Iraq, now they have a whole nation which was mainly seculer to recruite from. With more people ready to take up arms, more hard proff at how bad the USA is to the Islamic people (this is what they see) the more resources they get, the easyier they will be able to buy a nucler bomb from the beautiful capitalist and poor nation just north of them, Russia or any of the break away republics. Hey capitalism is you sell what you have and have no use for, so why not, capitalism won the cold war right. *gulp*

So yes the Americans are to be more feared, not because they are bombing us but they are helping Al'Qaeda by bombing other nations. If a nuck goes off in the middle of NewYork will it be denoted by a Muslim, who was pushed too far by the Iraqi war. It's something to think about. Will it be paid by the resources or activites by Islamists who joined Al'Queda because there brother was torture at Abu gra (spelling).

I think this is something to sleep on and something to think about as well. Is the USA by being reactionary playing into the hands of people like Osama...

Or perhaps is Osama playing into Bush's hands. For if you go off the believe that Bush is using fear to control the populace, then Bush's plan is working well by increasing the chances of terrorist attacks and will be able to use the fear card of terrorism for a long time to come.

I'm not saying I'm right but it is something to chow on.
 

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I think you're looking in the right direction Finder, radical islam is an American invention, invented by the American christian fascist state, it's sole purpose was to fuel the fear of terrorism in America all to build public support for the conquest of the middle east and sieze it's oil reserves, the current war in that region is deeply believed by the religious right in America as a herald of the return of christ, destruction of Islam is seen as a mission from god entrusted to the American people, keepers of the last bastion of freedom, gods chosen people.
 

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Finder said:
The American danager is that they piss off more and more people to act against the American empire as they see it. As more innocent people are harmed in these nations it's pushing avaerage and moderate people to new extremes. The best thing to happen to Al'Qaeda was Iraq, now they have a whole nation which was mainly seculer to recruite from. With more people ready to take up arms, more hard proff at how bad the USA is to the Islamic people (this is what they see) the more resources they get, the easyier they will be able to buy a nucler bomb from the beautiful capitalist and poor nation just north of them, Russia or any of the break away republics. Hey capitalism is you sell what you have and have no use for, so why not, capitalism won the cold war right. *gulp*

So yes the Americans are to be more feared, not because they are bombing us but they are helping Al'Qaeda by bombing other nations. If a nuck goes off in the middle of NewYork will it be denoted by a Muslim, who was pushed too far by the Iraqi war. It's something to think about. Will it be paid by the resources or activites by Islamists who joined Al'Queda because there brother was torture at Abu gra (spelling).

I think this is something to sleep on and something to think about as well. Is the USA by being reactionary playing into the hands of people like Osama...

Or perhaps is Osama playing into Bush's hands. For if you go off the believe that Bush is using fear to control the populace, then Bush's plan is working well by increasing the chances of terrorist attacks and will be able to use the fear card of terrorism for a long time to come.

I'm not saying I'm right but it is something to chow on.

So these people wouldn't be seeking the bomb if America didn't exist?
 

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Going after the terrorist, is the same crap as we went after witches in the dark age, get real

Hehe you're equating social ignorance with global terrorism. Just when I thought this place couldn't get any funnier....ahh, funny. Whew.
 

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JimMoyer

I just now had time to read the link and when I saw it was written by Arnaud deBorchgrave - I hooted......I thought I was the only one who read his works and quoted him.

The subject matter is scary enough but one should never discount
this man's knowledge.

He was preaching about the effect of Pakistani madrassas on the young Saudi minds in the middle east long before 9/11. We should have listened then. We did not.
 

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Mogz said:
Going after the terrorist, is the same crap as we went after witches in the dark age, get real

Hehe you're equating social ignorance with global terrorism. Just when I thought this place couldn't get any funnier....ahh, funny. Whew.

The witches had it comming though....all that hocus pocus shit. Come on! :lol:
 

aeon

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Mogz said:
Going after the terrorist, is the same crap as we went after witches in the dark age, get real

Hehe you're equating social ignorance with global terrorism. Just when I thought this place couldn't get any funnier....ahh, funny. Whew.

Global terrorism is a social ignorance, people like me would have been burned in the dark age, no doubt.


Here is the proof.

in the last 10 years how many people are dead from islamic terrorist

1993 (Feb.): Bombing of World Trade Center (WTC); 6 killed.
1993 (Oct.): Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia.
1996 (June): Truck bombing at Khobar Towers barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killed 19 Americans.
1998 (Aug.): Bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; 224 killed, including 12 Americans.
1999 (Dec.): Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S.
2000 (Oct.): Bombing of the USS Cole in port in Yemen; 17 U.S. sailors killed.
2001 (Sept.): Destruction of WTC; attack on Pentagon. Total dead 2,992.
2001 (Dec.): Man tried to denote shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 14 German tourists.
2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing 1.
2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.
2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.
2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2003 (May): 4 bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia housing compound, killing 17.
2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked 2 synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
2004 (March): 10 bombs on 4 trains exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 202 and injuring more than 1,400.
2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed 9.
2004 (Dec.): Terrorists entered the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 9 (including 4 attackers).
2005 (July): Bombs exploded on 3 trains and a bus in London, England, killing 52.
2005 (Oct.): 22 killed by 3 suicide bombs in Bali, Indonesia..
2005 (Nov.): 57 killed at 3 American hotels in Amman, Jordan..



lets count also palestinians resistance in those act

900 israelis are dead since 2000



So in total , in the last 10 years, islamic terrorist has killed 4900 innoncent victims, now, do you know how many innoncent victims there is from aid in the last 10 years??


(Don t worry i won t count the casualties that us did since bush is in power, it is quite far from this number.)




Millions of people around the world are dying each year,if not more, because of aid, now who is the real threat to human??


How come more money are invested in military budget than getting rid of aid??


Because people like you who are the majority, doesnt try to think for themselves, they let fascist moron like our leader dictate what they have to think, pathetic.
 

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Do you also know how many people are dying each year because of poverty?
 

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aeon said:
Mogz said:
Going after the terrorist, is the same crap as we went after witches in the dark age, get real

Hehe you're equating social ignorance with global terrorism. Just when I thought this place couldn't get any funnier....ahh, funny. Whew.

Global terrorism is a social ignorance, people like me would have been burned in the dark age, no doubt.


Here is the proof.

in the last 10 years how many people are dead from islamic terrorist

1993 (Feb.): Bombing of World Trade Center (WTC); 6 killed.
1993 (Oct.): Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia.
1996 (June): Truck bombing at Khobar Towers barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killed 19 Americans.
1998 (Aug.): Bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; 224 killed, including 12 Americans.
1999 (Dec.): Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S.
2000 (Oct.): Bombing of the USS Cole in port in Yemen; 17 U.S. sailors killed.
2001 (Sept.): Destruction of WTC; attack on Pentagon. Total dead 2,992.
2001 (Dec.): Man tried to denote shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 14 German tourists.
2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing 1.
2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.
2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.
2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2003 (May): 4 bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia housing compound, killing 17.
2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked 2 synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
2004 (March): 10 bombs on 4 trains exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 202 and injuring more than 1,400.
2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed 9.
2004 (Dec.): Terrorists entered the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 9 (including 4 attackers).
2005 (July): Bombs exploded on 3 trains and a bus in London, England, killing 52.
2005 (Oct.): 22 killed by 3 suicide bombs in Bali, Indonesia..
2005 (Nov.): 57 killed at 3 American hotels in Amman, Jordan..



lets count also palestinians resistance in those act

900 israelis are dead since 2000



So in total , in the last 10 years, islamic terrorist has killed 4900 innoncent victims, now, do you know how many innoncent victims there is from aid in the last 10 years??


(Don t worry i won t count the casualties that us did since bush is in power, it is quite far from this number.)




Millions of people around the world are dying each year,if not more, because of aid, now who is the real threat to human??


How come more money are invested in military budget than getting rid of aid??


Because people like you who are the majority, doesnt try to think for themselves, they let fascist moron like our leader dictate what they have to think, pathetic.
Was a nerve hit? Why are you meltingdown? :roll:
 

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Ayeeeeee Carrrrumba.

Thanks Wednesday's Child for that little note
on the author who warned of the hate schools long
before 9-11.

America is a useful prop for the haters.
Heaven knows American sin has been useful to them.

And yes, Aeon correctly points out more people die of poverty and AIDS and old age than any war in mankind.

So why the emphasis on threat of war more than
the threat of poverty and disease?

Simple.

The threat of war in our day and age and even in
the past promised all of us an annihlation --- extinction
of either our society or of all mankind.

Although poverty and disease kills more of us, war
hints at our own extinction.

Got it ?

And Finder explains patiently that American sin
has invented Islamic terrorism. I could debate
that eminently suspect point, but instead, for Finder
I pose a riddle.

The riddle is this: Even if you're right about
American Sin ----WHO is more likely to carry a dirty nuke
into a western nation ?

So you'll be right Finder and the next second those
you understand will be the same ones that send you
into a fire of nuclear glory.

This is what I fear the most.

Everyone's looking at the front door, the door
of American Sin, when the threat to your own life
as you know it is approaching your back door from
people who DON'T care if YOU understand them.


Got it ?
 

aeon

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jimmoyer said:
Ayeeeeee Carrrrumba.

Thanks Wednesday's Child for that little note
on the author who warned of the hate schools long
before 9-11.

America is a useful prop for the haters.
Heaven knows American sin has been useful to them.

And yes, Aeon correctly points out more people die of poverty and AIDS and old age than any war in mankind.

So why the emphasis on threat of war more than
the threat of poverty and disease?

Simple.

The threat of war in our day and age and even in
the past promised all of us an annihlation --- extinction
of either our society or of all mankind.

Although poverty and disease kills more of us, war
hints at our own extinction.

Got it ?

And Finder explains patiently that American sin
has invented Islamic terrorism. I could debate
that eminently suspect point, but instead, for Finder
I pose a riddle.

The riddle is this: Even if you're right about
American Sin ----WHO is more likely to carry a dirty nuke
into a western nation ?

So you'll be right Finder and the next second those
you understand will be the same ones that send you
into a fire of nuclear glory.

This is what I fear the most.

Everyone's looking at the front door, the door
of American Sin, when the threat to your own life
as you know it is approaching your back door from
people who DON'T care if YOU understand them.


Got it ?



Quite far from the truth, the reason why , terrorism is more a threat to gov/coorporation than anything else, it just filled their agenda which is going in central asia to control world economy, with aid and poverty , it is impossible to convince people to support a military mobilization in central asia for those reason, no all you have to do is to send money and medical aids.

True though about the back door wich is a threat, and that back door is our own governement, i say it again, my governement is the real threath to my security , not witches, i mean terrorist.