Israel Double Sidedness

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JERUSALEM - Israel's March 28 election has all the makings of high drama: party splits, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's devastating stroke, Islamic militants ruling in the Palestinian territories.

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So why, in a country of high emotions and loud opinions, has the campaign been such a snoozer?

Mostly it's because a new paradigm has replaced the traditional left-right divide. Israelis are flocking to Kadima, a new centrist party that they view as best equipped to meet their desire to separate from the Palestinians.

With elections more than two weeks away, things could still change. In the past, Palestinian attacks close to election day have swung votes, usually to the right.

But so far, opinion polls are nearly static.

The political season got off to a heated start in early November when a fiery Moroccan-born union leader, Amir Peretz, wrested power from his Labor Party's European-descended elite.

Less than two weeks later, Sharon delivered an even bigger jolt by breaking with his Likud Party, and its policy of vastly expanding Israel's borders, to form Kadima (Forward). Sharon had just pulled Israel out of the Gaza Strip, and was widely thought to be planning to give up chunks of the West Bank as well.

Kadima immediately took a commanding lead in surveys and reduced the long-ruling Likud to a distant third, after Labor. The new balance of power has barely shifted, even after Sharon, Israel's most popular politician, was rendered comatose by a stroke Jan. 4 and Hamas militants upset peacemaking prospects by winning Palestinian elections three weeks later.

Pollster Mina Zemach of the Dahaf Research Institute said dramatic events like Sharon's illness and Hamas' election victory ordinarily would cause big swings in surveys. Not this time, she told Israel's Army Radio.

Political scientist Michael Keren attributes the stability to the realignment in Israeli politics.

Israelis used to vote left or right, often on the basis of ethnic or religious affiliations, Keren said. Now the fault line divides the electorate into those who want to separate from the Palestinians unilaterally, and those he calls "vision people" — leftists who favor a negotiated land-for-peace deal and rightists who want to hold on to land Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war.

In withdrawing from Gaza and becoming the first Israeli leader to cede lands claimed by Palestinians for a state, Sharon embedded the idea of "disengagement" in Israeli minds.

"People are looking at things in terms of disengagement," Keren said. "Polls show ... that about 50 percent of those who say they will vote support disengagement, whether they're leftists or rightists."

Ehud Olmert, the man most likely to be Israel's next prime minister, clearly senses the trend, and has been promising to act on it. He said Thursday that he wants to declare Israel's permanent borders by 2010 — borders that will render the Jewish state "completely separate from the majority of the Palestinian population."

Olmert's candor is widely seen as an attempt to shore up Kadima's poll readings, which lately have shown minor slippage, even though the party is still projected to win 38 of the 120 seats in parliament, with Labor getting about 19 and Likud 17. That would give Olmert first crack at forming a coalition with smaller parties.

The public moved to the center long before Sharon formed Kadima, and that's why the centrist party he formed wasn't rocked by his illness, said Reuven Hazan, a professor of political science at Hebrew University.

The center's allure has grown because the "old left" and the "old right" didn't supply answers to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Hazan said.

"The left's policy of outstretched arm, we'll negotiate, make concessions, sign agreements, work together to fight terror — you can't sell it," he said.

At the same time, the demographic realities of ruling a large Palestinian population have sunk in, he said. Most Israelis want a Jewish, democratic state, Hazan said, but if it has a large, voteless Arab populace it won't be democratic, and if it gives the Arabs the vote it will cease to be Jewish.

Campaign ads that hit the airwaves Tuesday signaled that the race was in its last stretch, but the difference from past elections is noticeable. Parties that used to count on young volunteers to hand out party flyers are now paying workers to do it.

However, the balance can still be tipped.

Kadima's slippage stems from corruption allegations against senior members, including Olmert.

According to Zemach, the pollster, 10 percent of voters surveyed said they are undecided, and 20 percent of those who have decided said they could still change their minds.

Sociologist Yochanan Peres doesn't foresee significant swings.

"Why is the campaign so quiet? Because the political energy looking for change is best realized in the formation of Kadima, and because of the huge electoral resonance it has created," he said.

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So until this point of time they haven't been a democratic nation because they don't let their Arab population, 20% of their nation have a voice.

So the only true undemocratic religious nation in the Middle East that claims to be a democracy is Israel.
 

Colpy

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Excuse me?

Arab Israelis enjoy all political priviledges enjoyed by Israeli Jews, except the right to keep arms, and the duty to serve in the military.

The writer is speaking of Palestinians in the "occupied" territories when he speaks of disenfranchised Arabs......and they vote for the Palestinian Authority.
 

Jersay

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Nope Arabs in Israel are treated as second-class citizens in Israel. They are believed to be sympathizers with the Palestinian uprising so they are not treated as good as a Israeli citizen.

Now, the article seems to be talking about the Palestinians but also about the Arab minority within Israel as well.
 

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Jersay, your views can not change the facts. There are Israeli Arab MPs in the Israeli Knesset. Israeli Arabs vote.

Are they treated differently that Israeli Jews? Yes in the ways I described, and in other ways, mostly racist, but non-institutional.

But they DO have full political rights.

And Jews that live in Arab nations............?
 

#juan

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Israel got sixty odd percent of what was once called Palestine from the UN. In a succession of land grab wars the Israelis now have all of Palestine as well as part of Syria, part of Egypt. Israel looks to be offering part of the West Bank and some part of Gaza to the Palestinians These areas were not even part of Palestine. Double sidedness? I should think so.
 

#juan

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If you check deep enough,

you will find that in Jordan the Palestinians outnumber the Jordanians. When the Palestinians were driven from their homes and farms they had to go somewhere and Jordan was closest. It is unfair for Jordan to have to take in all these refugees but the Palestinians can't go back. There have been dozens of resolutions at the UN calling for the Israelis to allow the Palestinians back to their homes but the U.S. has vetoed every one.
 

jimmoyer

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And the Palestinian arabs could not have asked for
better friends and brothers ---- fellow arab nations
using their plight and accepting no responsibility
to finance infrastructure or jobs to make the Palestinian
culture a healthy vibrant culture rather than one
of pain.

Where did the Arab oil dollar go ?

Where it went was as sick as you can get.

64 story highrises in Dubai in a city called Chess.
A 25 story indoor snow skiing building in Dubai.
Saddam's Palaces.
Suicide bombers.
Wahaabi hate schools.


Jobs ?
Investment?
Housing ?
Infrastructure?
Good schools ?


Nope, that wasn't their Arab brother's responsibility.

It was left to the dirty Jews to provide.

After all, it's all their fault.


This counts for wisdom in the Arab world.
 

jimmoyer

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Thanks Sassylassie.

I might also add one more double-sided misbeggotten
totally forgotten point that Jordan owned the West
Bank between 1948 and 1967, a part of Palestine, and
had the authority to bequeath a nation to the
Palestinians.

Instead Arab wisdom and Arab Oil Dollar did the
right thing: Make the Palestinian a pawn in their
cynical manipulation of hate, kind of like an opiate
for the masses.

Arab elites made a bargain with the devil and now
they've created a monster on the street and they
know it.