Oil Companies rule world

Jersay

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Now this regards the case of Nigeria and Shell with the death of Ken Saro-Wiwa, a human rights activist ten years ago.

Kenule Beeson Saro-Wiwa (October 10, 1941 - November 10, 1995) was a Nigerian author, television producer and environmental activist.

Ken Saro-Wiwa was a member of the Ogoni, an ethnic minority whose homelands in the Niger Delta have been targeted for oil extraction since the 1950s. As president of the Movement for the Survival of the Ogoni People (MOSOP), Saro-Wiwa led a nonviolent campaign against environmental damage associated with the operations of multinational oil companies, especially Shell.

Saro-Wiwa was also a successful businessman, novelist and television producer. His best known novel, Sozaboy: A Novel in Rotten English, tells the story of naive village boy recruited to the army during the Nigerian Civil War (1967-1970). His war diaries, On a Darkling Plain, document Saro-Wiwa's experience during the war, when he served as the Civilian Administrator for the port of Bonny in the Niger Delta. His satirical television series, Basi & Co., is purported to have been the most watched soap opera in Africa.

In the early 1970s, Saro-Wiwa served as the Regional Commissioner for Education in the Rivers State Cabinet, but was dismissed in 1973 because of his support for Ogoni autonomy. In the late 1970s, he established a number of successful business ventures in retail and real-estate, and during the 1980s was able to concentrate on his writing, journalism and television production.

In 1990, Saro-Wiwa founded MOSOP, to advocate for the rights of the Ogoni people. The Ogoni Bill of Rights, written by MOSOP, set out the movement's demands, including increased autonomy for the Ogoni people, a fair share of the proceeds of oil extraction, and remediation of environmental damage to Ogoni lands. In 1992, Saro-Wiwa was imprisoned for several months, without trial, by the Nigerian military government.

In January 1993, MOSOP organised peaceful marches of around 300,000 Ogoni people - more than half of the Ogoni population - through four Ogoni centres, drawing international attention to his people's plight. The same year, Shell ceased operations in the Ogoni region.

Saro-Wiwa was arrested again and detained by Nigerian authorities in June 1993, but was released after a month. In May 1994, he was arrested and accused of incitement to murder following the deaths of four Ogoni elders, believed to be sympathetic to the military. Saro-Wiwa denied the charges, but was imprisoned for over a year before being found guilty and sentenced to death by a specially convened tribunal. The trial was widely criticised by human rights organisations.

On November 10, 1995, Saro-Wiwa and eight other MOSOP leaders were executed (hanged) by the Nigerian military government of General Sani Abacha, provoking the immediate suspension of Nigeria from the Commonwealth of Nations, which was meeting in New Zealand at the time.

A biography, In the Shadow of a Saint, was written by his son, journalist Ken Wiwa. Ken Saro-Wiwa's daughter Zina Saro-Wiwa is a filmmaker and arts journalist.

Statement by Wiwa before Death

"I repeat that we all stand before history. I and my colleagues are not the only ones on trial. Shell is on trial here, and it is as well that it is represented by counsel said to be holding a watching brief. The company has, indeed, ducked this particular trial, but its day will surely come and the lessons learned here may prove useful to it, for there is no doubt in my mind that the ecological war the company has waged in the delta will be called to question sooner than later and the crimes of that war be duly punished. The crime of the company's dirty wars against the Ogoni people will also be punished.

On trial also is the Nigerian nation, its present rulers and all those who assist them. I am not one of those who shy away from protesting injustice and oppression, arguing that they are expected of a military regime. The military do not act alone. They are supported by a gaggle of politicians, lawyers, judges, academics and businessmen, all of them hiding under the claim that they are only doing their duty, men and women too afraid to wash their pants of their urine.

We all stand on trial, my lord, for by our actions we have denigrated our country and jeopardised the future of our children. As we subscribe to the subnormal and accept double standards, as we lie and cheat openly, as we protect injustice and oppression, we empty our classrooms, degrade our hospitals, and make ourselves the slaves of those who subscribe to higher standards, who pursue the truth, and honour justice, freedom and hard work."

So oil companies rule the world. Or at least some corrupt dictatorships, and maybe America.
 

Jersay

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Yes they do rule the world it is that simple.

Look, oil is one of the most important aspects of the human race. It is needed for almost everything. So when an oil executive is angry at a group of protestors or he thinks that a country is not favouring his oil interests, who does he go to, he goes to a country or group of people that can get rid of these troublemakers.

I am not claiming the U.S totally, but in this instance, Nigeria was being run by Shell.
 

Jersay

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Nigeria isn't being run by Shell. Nigeria is being run by corrupt, venal despots who steal from their own people. Companies like Shell dance to the tune of the thieves who run the governments in these kleptocracies.

But who pays these despots when someone who protests get in the way. Who pays to keep these despots in power?

In this example Shell?

could also use the example of Sudan where Canadian oil companies funded the killings in Southern Sudan in the early 1990s.
 

Toro

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The despots demand bribes from the oil companies to operate. Otherwise, they're kicked out of the country. That's a problem of the societies that have the oil. You don't see billions of dollars being syphoned off in the first world, now do you? As for uprisings, those are internal wars over which tribe gets what share from the resources in those countries, and the tribe that is the loser would almost certainly act the same way if they had been the winner. Now that doesn't mean the companies aren't lilly white, because they're not. However, the critics are saying the oil companies should intervene in domestic affairs of foreign countries over the allocation of resource wealth.
 

Jersay

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The despots demand bribes from the oil companies to operate. Otherwise, they're kicked out of the country. That's a problem of the societies that have the oil. You don't see billions of dollars being syphoned off in the first world, now do you? As for uprisings, those are internal wars over which tribe gets what share from the resources in those countries, and the tribe that is the loser would almost certainly act the same way if they had been the winner. Now that doesn't mean the companies aren't lilly white, because they're not. However, the critics are saying the oil companies should intervene in domestic affairs of foreign countries over the allocation of resource wealth.

That is your perspective, but why was Shell at the Trial of Wiwa? It had to have some influence over it in the backrooms.
 

jimmoyer

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Nigeria isn't being run by Shell. Nigeria is being run by corrupt, venal despots who steal from their own people. Companies like Shell dance to the tune of the thieves who run the governments in these kleptocracies.
-------------------Toro---------------------------

I think that describes the situation best.

In fact whether Shell Oil runs the theives or the
thieves are making Shell Oil pay them off doesn't really
matter in a failed nation.

The failure in that country is so large, I wonder what
it would take to change the culture and the
attitudes ?

By the way, do some more research on Nigeria.
Remember all those Nigerian emails flooding the
internet on making you rich by allowing them
to make a deposit in your bank account ?

You think those were Shell employees ?

Nope.

Nigerians, my friend.

I'll just grant you anything you say what caused
the corruption and destruction in that country, but
the toughest question to answer is how do you
turn around a whole culture ? A whole country ?

How does this get done ?
 

Jersay

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Funny thing is, I just took a class on this, and basically the whole freaking world is ruled by 7 multi-national corporations. Because these corporations are into everything, they rule everything. The example today was Disney.

Now, I like Disney movies as a laugh but this movie we watched about it was just so F*ing scary that it is not funny.

First, Fantasia and Bambi, and those were my favorite movies promote sexism with the animals (bunny in Bambi), the Centurs in Fantasia, female sexism. Big boobs, and small waste. Subliminal message.

Second, Pocahontas, with the Indians dancing around. Ensures that history is being rewritten because it doesn't get to the fact of the genocide committed in America and around the world.

Tarzan, where all the native people and all the black people of Africa are gone. Or they don't know the jungle like a white man does.

Tarzan, Oliver and Company, The Lion King, the animals are represented as minorities. The little chow dog, as a latin guy in Oliver in Company, and black people as gorillas and hyenas. Or if they have a part in a movie they are always painted bad.

And finally most scariest of all, the Disney corporation runs ABC, and 50% of the media outlet. We are screwed!

A guy in this movie a Dr, in history said that as he was dissenting against Disney, some talk show hosts said, aren't you scare. Are we living in some police state?

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Also good example of sweat shops and unlawful activities. All done by these big corporations who do not care about the little people.

When a corporation is finally taken down, no one person can be blamed. It is a collective idenitity, so it is extremely hard for prosecution. Valdez oil spill!

Coke, in Columbia, a union leader came to my University to preach that 8 other union men had been killed by squads funded by Coke. Just last month he was shot in killed.

So 7 large corporations run the world. Just great@!
 

jimmoyer

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It sounds like your discovery of this is rather
fresh and new, and so I hazard discussing another
way of thinking to a convert.

But here goes...

Seeing something nefarious in Disney is like noting
how the dominant culture has prejudice.

All societies develop a mindthink, a prejudice.

All of them.

In fact we echo the group think -- You echo yours,
I echo mine.

But do not despair about 7 corporations running
the world.

There's really just one.

:)
 

Jersay

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It sounds like your discovery of this is rather
fresh and new, and so I hazard discussing another
way of thinking to a convert.

But here goes...

Seeing something nefarious in Disney is like noting
how the dominant culture has prejudice.

All societies develop a mindthink, a prejudice.

All of them.

In fact we echo the group think -- You echo yours,
I echo mine.

But do not despair about 7 corporations running
the world.

There's really just one.

I agree, there is prejudice in all cultures I am not refutting that. But this is going to the children, who have not made up their minds yet. Educating them into the cycle of prejudice before they have decided for themselves.

Which one rules the world?
 

pastafarian

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When we move from politicians to nations we get closer to power. When we go from nations to corporations, we get closer still. However, when we get to boards of directors and controlling-interest shareholders...
 

Toro

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Jersay said:
Funny thing is, I just took a class on this, and basically the whole freaking world is ruled by 7 multi-national corporations. Because these corporations are into everything, they rule everything. The example today was Disney.

Now, I like Disney movies as a laugh but this movie we watched about it was just so F*ing scary that it is not funny.

First, Fantasia and Bambi, and those were my favorite movies promote sexism with the animals (bunny in Bambi), the Centurs in Fantasia, female sexism. Big boobs, and small waste. Subliminal message.

Second, Pocahontas, with the Indians dancing around. Ensures that history is being rewritten because it doesn't get to the fact of the genocide committed in America and around the world.

Tarzan, where all the native people and all the black people of Africa are gone. Or they don't know the jungle like a white man does.

Tarzan, Oliver and Company, The Lion King, the animals are represented as minorities. The little chow dog, as a latin guy in Oliver in Company, and black people as gorillas and hyenas. Or if they have a part in a movie they are always painted bad.

And finally most scariest of all, the Disney corporation runs ABC, and 50% of the media outlet. We are screwed!

A guy in this movie a Dr, in history said that as he was dissenting against Disney, some talk show hosts said, aren't you scare. Are we living in some police state?

-----------

Also good example of sweat shops and unlawful activities. All done by these big corporations who do not care about the little people.

When a corporation is finally taken down, no one person can be blamed. It is a collective idenitity, so it is extremely hard for prosecution. Valdez oil spill!

Coke, in Columbia, a union leader came to my University to preach that 8 other union men had been killed by squads funded by Coke. Just last month he was shot in killed.

So 7 large corporations run the world. Just great@!



7 companies don't rule the world.
 

pastafarian

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Explain why?

Because companies are frequently subject to hostile takeovers, dissolved, sold, merged, nationalized or forced into bankruptcy or otherwise made to cease existing. Companies do not make decisions, mobilize armies or overthrow governments. their CEOs change, are fired, retire or quit. Companies are passive and controlled by groups of people. This is why companies do not rule anything. they are frequently a means to power, and tools by which power is exercised, but a company can cease to exist with a stroke of a pen. The better question is, I think, whose pen?
 

Said1

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Jersay said:
Nigeria isn't being run by Shell. Nigeria is being run by corrupt, venal despots who steal from their own people. Companies like Shell dance to the tune of the thieves who run the governments in these kleptocracies.

But who pays these despots when someone who protests get in the way. Who pays to keep these despots in power?

In this example Shell?

could also use the example of Sudan where Canadian oil companies funded the killings in Southern Sudan in the early 1990s.

Ultimately, the onus of responsiblity is on the "host" nation to protect their citizens and natural ecosystems. However, one of the biggest problems in Nigeria (for example) is corrupt tribal chiefs who control a lot of land being sold to oil companies for extraction, development and so on, in the Niger Delta. They tend to be the persons responsible for removing the natives from the area, through any means necessary. The oil companies active in that area are usually working in collaboration with the Nigerian Government, but obviously, the corruption has trickled down to the lowest possible levels of leadership.
 

Toro

Senate Member
Jersay said:
Explain why?

Please show some evidence, or present your reason for why not?

Thank you :D

Please show that they do.

Anyone can make a claim then demand evidence to refute them. For example,

"Did you know that in all the galaxies 100 billion light years from ours, the Milky Way, the suns revolve around the planets? Its true. I once read it on the Internet. Now prove that I'm wrong."

I'd be interested in knowing which 7, exactly, run the planet.

The net worth of the world is about $100 trillion. The largest companies in the world by value are Exxon and General Electric, each worth around $300 billion. Thus, those two companies together are worth 0.6% of the globe's wealth. That's hardly dominating.