Ex-European looks back at Europe....with horror.

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An Ex-European Looks Back At The Old
Country and Wonders: How Did Europe Go So Wrong?

12/29/2005


As a native West Berliner who grew up during the Cold War with the Soviet Army five miles down the road, I feel that I owe my liberty and opportunity mostly to the fact that the United States stood up for what it believed in.

I do know from personal experience what Americans stand for. Not many Europeans do. Even back in the '80s I could see that wealth and comfort - plus a long legacy of socialism - had caused Europeans to forget which side their bread is buttered on.


The cowboy gets a European greeting

I can remember a bright day in June 1982. I found myself wedged in a throng of people in West Berlin. We were waiting for a controversial US President to take the stage - a man derided by smug Euro-leftists as a "cowboy" - for being American, for not being liberal, for not changing his views to suit the "pacifist" rabble that the Berlin policemen could barely contain.

The lefties had mobilized to greet Ronald Reagan. And when I say mobilized, I mean mobilized. Counterculture riot tourists descended on the city days ahead of time. The airwaves were filled with a moronic anti-American song penned by an aging leftwing fool. "Artists" expressed their opinion of Reagan in their chosen medium of feces.

This was not unusual. Not a weekend went by when there weren't large-scale demonstrations in Berlin, with thousands of unwashed juveniles sporting leather jackets and long greasy hair. They protested against nuclear energy, government housing policy, you name it - but first and foremost against Ronald Reagan's tough line on the Soviet Union.

And they weren't all that peaceful. Most of the demonstrations ended in violence.


We love freedom! Please bill Washington.

Even at the tender age of 18, I could see the irony: The democratic rights used and abused by the anti-American demonstrators were theirs because of America's commitment to West Germany and West Berlin.

Without American troops - hopelessly outgunned by the surrounding Warsaw Pact forces - the long hair alone would have been reason enough for the Soviets to round up the demonstrators and throw them in prison as "degenerates."

I made my way home that day on public transportation, carrying an American flag, and arriving unharmed - maybe because I was a husky 6'4" or maybe because I traveled part of the way in the company of a dashing US Special Forces soldier. He was one of my parents' circle of American friends who spent weekends and holidays at our house.

So pardon me if I chuckle when I hear that anti-American sentiment is a product of George W. Bush and the War in Iraq. I've seen the movie before. Call the current version Cowboy II. The Western European mainstream has been anti-American for decades.


I don't know what Europe stands for these days. . .

Comfortable shoes, political correctness, dumbed-down foreign movies and video games, and a fashionable love for "peace." Except "peace" isn't the word I'd choose for it.

A poll in France showed that more than 30% were rooting for Saddam and another 20% didn't care one way or the other. Has the darkness settled over Europe to such an extent that over half the French rooted outright for a mass murderer, or couldn't make up their minds whether a US victory is preferable to a brutal dictatorship?


As the saying goes, "With friends like these. . ."

When Saddam was captured, French camera crews practically climbed on top of the mass graves to get a better shot of the poor dictator's mistreatment by imperialist Americans. The Iraqi who revealed Saddam's whereabouts was a "collaborator" and a traitor, according to Germany's leading magazine.

Why discover one's inner dove when it comes to Saddam? Pardon me if I don't buy it when Russia, China, and France suddenly pose as peace advocates.

Don't be fooled. They were Saddam's biggest trading partners and had their own designs on Iraq's oil fields. Before the war, France, Russia, and China, respectively, held 798, 862, and 227 "oil for food" contracts. The United States had one and Britain eight. You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

Europe's sorry state makes me thank God I'm an American.And this is one of the best times in history to be one. You see, as part of the wealthiest and freest nations ever, we're in the absolute best position to amass personal wealth in 2006 and beyond.

For example, as this report goes to press. . .

1. Two-thirds of American corporations beat earnings estimates.

2. Total corporate earnings are the highest in history.

3. Earnings as a percentage of GDP are the highest in 40 years.

4. Earnings are up 10% year-over-year, twice as high as forecasted. And very good for the third year of a recovery.

5. Mortgage interest rates: Down ten out of the last 11 months. The 30-year fixed rate is at a 15-month low in spite of Fed 'tightening.'

6.Other interest rates: No problem. US rates are up only on the short end. Long-term rates are DOWN. There's downward pressure on European rates, too.

7.American unemployment is close to historic lows: only 5.0%. British is close to historic lows - 5.0%. The European figure: 8.9%. The German figure: 11.8%. The French figure: 10.2%.

8.How many jobless people have been out of work more than a year? In America, only 12%. In Europe, almost half.

9.Americans between the ages of 55 and 64 who have a job: 60%. Britain: 63%. France: 37%. Italy: 30%. Germany: 39%.

10. US inflation: Only 2.8% over the last 12 months, in spite of the surge in oil prices.

11. The dollar? Up against all major currencies since the first of the year.

12. The US federal budget deficit: $100 billion lower than expected, $62 billion lower than 2004, and shrinking fast. Supply-side economics, anyone?

13. US budget deficit as percentage of GDP: Lower than in the 1980s. And lower than France, Germany, and Japan.

14. Surpluses among the 50 states: $50 billion. Meaning that total government borrowing is less than 2.5% of GDP. It's a non-problem. Forget about it.

15. US GDP growth: 3.1% British (2004): 3.5%. German GDP growth: Nearly zero. Overall European growth: 0.3% -- nearly zero. Japan? Nearly zero, for almost 15 years.


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Yeah you gotta just ~hate~ all those anti american western Europeans who voted against Bush in the last American election. Jesus, why don't people just give up. Can't they see that Bush Jr and the big J.C. are working together here... *rolls eye's and hopes people catch onto my sarcasm.*

J.C. = Jesus Christ, and not Jimmy Carter. =-D
 

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Finder said:
Yeah you gotta just ~hate~ all those anti american western Europeans who voted against Bush in the last American election. Jesus, why don't people just give up. Can't they see that Bush Jr and the big J.C. are working together here... *rolls eye's and hopes people catch onto my sarcasm.*

J.C. = Jesus Christ, and not Jimmy Carter. =-D

In a way, you are right.

I actually like Bush, but I think George W's most glaring flaw is the unfortunate fact that he believes he was chosen by God to lead the Christian world against the infidel.

Now, I shudder at the very idea of 9-11 happening while Al Gore was President. I support the war against terror, and the Canadian- US alliance in the invasion of Afghanistan. And, even without WMD, I support the removal of Saddam Hussein and the American attempt to democratize Iraq. Damn, I wanted them to take a hard left turn at Baghdad, and head for Damascus. Had they done so, I am convinced they would be having much less trouble now, and they might have found the elusive WMD.

If asked, I would identify myself as a Christian. But the problem with Mr. Bush's slight delusion is that it is a justification of everything he does. If chosen by God, he can hardly be expected to play by the rules of man, thus secret prisons, the Patriot Act, internal spying, vast deficits, and the Constitution as "a piece of paper".

One should be glad he is in his last term.

As long as Hillary Clinton doesn't get in, of course.

Now John McCain.........
 

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What do you say too people like this that blindly look at a War on Terror in terms of money and percentage rates. Well I guess you fight fire with fire. You ask them what kind of qualifiable facts can back these quantifiable numbers up.


Yes unemployment is falling in America, and yet the rate poverty is increasing from 12.5% in 2003 to 12.7% in 2004 http://jec.senate.gov/democrats/Documents/Reports/poverty7sep2005.pdf

So how about that.

People still have jobs but are still falling below the poverty line, Egad. I wonder why that is? Maybe there is a correlation with the fact that corporate earnings are skyrocketing. Could it really be that sinister, that some humans feel the need to keep a majority of the population on its financial knees in order to keep the champagne and caviar flowing.


I wonder what do people like this have too say to the families of those 2170 service men and women killed (washingtonpost.com), Or to the 27,000 - 32,000 Iraqi's killed by both sides (iraqbodycount.com).

- Sorry your child/sibling/spouse/parent died
- Sorry we made your country into a warzone
- Sorry we destroyed your homes, cities, and infrastructure
- Sorry there is more terrorism now then ever

...but on the bright side I just saved a whole lot on my car insurance by switching to Geico
 

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Re: RE: Ex-European looks back at Europe....with horror.

JomZ said:
I wonder what do people like this have too say to the families of those 2170 service men and women killed (washingtonpost.com), Or to the 27,000 - 32,000 Iraqi's killed by both sides (iraqbodycount.com).

- Sorry your child/sibling/spouse/parent died
- Sorry we made your country into a warzone
- Sorry we destroyed your homes, cities, and infrastructure
- Sorry there is more terrorism now then ever

...but on the bright side I just saved a whole lot on my car insurance by switching to Geico

IF (and that is a big if) the USA is successful in creating a workable democracy in Iraq, you say "freedom always costs, and the price is always paid in blood"

I read (wish I had a reference, I don't) that during Saddam's reign, on average, 136 people were killed per day as a direct result of his actions. Multiply that by 20-some years. Sort of explains why Iraqis are less angry about the invasion and occupation than Canadians are, doesn't it?
 

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funny how all those people that died under Saddam only matter now when the US was against him but not when they were supporting him.

there is nothing like a leader thinking he was sent by Yeshua bar Yosef. I wonder if following a false messiah as a leadership mandate makes one a false leader?
 

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the caracal kid said:
funny how all those people that died under Saddam only matter now when the US was against him but not when they were supporting him.

there is nothing like a leader thinking he was sent by Yeshua bar Yosef. I wonder if following a false messiah as a leadership mandate makes one a false leader?

The support the USA offered to Saddam Hussein while he was at war with Iran was extremely minimal. That is not to say that it was right, as Saddam was a monster then, as now. But the USA, like every nation on earth, acts in its own self-interest, and at the time Iraq was "the enemy of my enemy". Things change.

Actually, the USA is much more at to act with a moral perspective than the vast majority of other nations on earth.

If you want to criticize natiions for supporting Saddam Hussein in VERY significant ways, you should be aiming at Russia, China, Germany, and especially France.
 

the caracal kid

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those other countries didn't decide to invade another country on their own mandate though, did they?

i think flying the "morality" flag in this case demonstates how morality is relative and can be as fluttering as a flag in the wind.
 

the caracal kid

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hahaha... nice of you to clarify you don't include GW on the that list.

so what about all the other tyrants that are ignored because they are of use to the western world?
 

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the caracal kid said:
hahaha... nice of you to clarify you don't include GW on the that list.

so what about all the other tyrants that are ignored because they are of use to the western world?

Well, you know, after the crap the US took on Iraq.......once burned, twice shy.

Seriously, though, you have a point. I am no fan of the leaders of Saudi Arabia, I think China should be treated the same way we treated the USSR, and I agree nations are way to apt to put up with monsters for the purposes of trade.

But, for the most part, the enemies of freedom in the world are the enemies of the USA.
 

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Re: RE: Ex-European looks back at Europe....with horror.

the caracal kid said:
hahaha... nice of you to clarify you don't include GW on the that list.

so what about all the other tyrants that are ignored because they are of use to the western world?

I thought the UN had that part covered.
 

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Odd that you would cite the UN, since the United States seems to have had a habit in the past of completely ignoring the United Nations. In the opinion of a majority of Americans I have spoken to regarding the topic of the United Nations in the past, many appear to see it as an "illegitimate" body.
 

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FiveParadox said:
Odd that you would cite the UN, since the United States seems to have had a habit in the past of completely ignoring the United Nations. In the opinion of a majority of Americans I have spoken to regarding the topic of the United Nations in the past, many appear to see it as an "illegitimate" body.

No, not 'illegitimate'; but "idiodic" instead. :lol: Seriously, any body that has Syria on the Security Council, and China on the Human Rights Council cannot be taken seriously. Neither can it when five members have a permanent veto, or a two-bit dictator has as much say as a duly elected head of a democratic country.
 

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Stance on Terrorism is Subjective

This prompts an interesting topic; perhaps we should discuss viable options for reform in the United Nations. I mean, the United Nations has done some good things. Unfortunately, they've also made some equally exceptional blunders.

And as for the "duly elected head of a democratic country," the Prime Ministers of most parliamentary systems aren't elected, but are rather appointed by the Governors General based on certain conventions. ;)

:arrow: Back to the topic at hand...

I suppose a nation's stand on terrorism is subjective. I mean, compared to the United States, Canada might be seen as being "soft" on terrorism (which, as a Canadian, I would think that we have a strong stance on terrorism, and the United States simply takes it a few steps further than that).

One must keep in mind, though, that bias in the media could be greatly to blame for many of these phenomena. For example, if the French media portrayed Saddam Hussein in more of a "rosy" light than did the respective media in other parts of the world, then the citizenry cannot be held entirely responsible for their views. The portrayal of Mr. Hussein in the United States may have been vastly different from such portrayals across the rest of Earth.
 

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FiveParadox said:
One must keep in mind, though, that bias in the media could be greatly to blame for many of these phenomena. For example, if the French media portrayed Saddam Hussein in more of a "rosy" light than did the respective media in other parts of the world, then the citizenry cannot be held entirely responsible for their views. The portrayal of Mr. Hussein in the United States may have been vastly different from such portrayals across the rest of Earth.

Boy did you ever hit the nail on the head with that statement. The media is a mind altering drug, unless you have the skepticism to go beyond what the media reports and try and seek the truth, which for the most part, is on the surface.

You don't have to dig down very deep to find the truth, most of the time its staring you in the face.
 

jimmoyer

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The media is not a mind altering drug.

The responsibility lies on us who read it, listen to it,
watch it. The responsiblility lies on us voyeurs of
the headlines.

If we are to live vicariously on the headlines, then
it is we who are responsible for how we examine
and think.

And one thing that bothers me about ourselves
is how little we see the truth on both sides. I rarely
see one's truth cancel another's truth.

For example any discussion of Saddam Hussein
takes this route. I see both sides quite correct
in their observations.

But I don't see either side cancelling the truth of the
other.

We ought to live better with this irony, this paradox
that we refuse to accept regarding, for example,
Saddam Hussein, or even of other issues.

I see a fundamental realistic debate, not two sides
accusing each other of being brainwashed.

If you get rid of the shallow arguments and kneejerk
responses of either side and you start listening to the
good arguments on both sides ----- THEN you will come
to see that this is a real debate, not one run by
automations of brainwashing.

Orwell is so five minutes ago.

:)
 

jimmoyer

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True, ITN.

But editing whether it be malicious, incompetent,
manipulative, or true is a matter for the voyeur
of news to consider.

The responsibility for who we are and how we think
lies in our own hands.

To govern over the editor is an impossible feat
and so we must compare and contrast whatever we
witness.

Any other solution would be authoritarian and
dictatorial.

By the way, it is impossible for us to believe we will
ever have ALL of the facts in this unpredictable world.

We all have to make decisions with what we have
at the moment. And so do our leaders.

We forget this.

In fact at some point, the quest for more information
must give way to your weighing of the urgency
to act or not act as you understand it best.

Judges will tell you this.
Leaders will tell you this.

This happens in our own lives as well.

And the burden lies in that context.
 

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I disagree with you jim. During the runup to the war in Iraq, I had access to several networks from all over the world, Greece, Russia, Germany and Italy.

Compare footage of CNN showing how the kids were writing letters to their dads/moms etc... and the oh so careful editing of other countries portraying the kids "learning" how great war is, and what we teach our kids in school, all from the same footage!

Seeing is believing. The viewers have no choice in many situations.