Iraqi Ministry - Our Monsters In Iraq

[Karlin]

note on title - {America's monsters that is, not "ours"]


K - Good and honorable Iraqis who would create a stable and prosperous Iraq for all its citizens, Shia and Sunnis alike... are totally kept out of the loop of power there.
Bad ones, the Iraqis who will help the USA continue the chaos and killing and torture, are exactly the ones the USA wants there.
Chaos allows the occupiers to plunder natural resources and create a 'pseudo-state of Iraq' for America's benefit.

EXTREME torture continues to be used in Iraq, and as some links below will tell us, it is being done by the newly installed leaders there.

It is time to start waving the bloody shirt. There is no longer any doubt that the men that the United States has installed in power in Iraq are monsters. Not only that, but they are monsters armed, trained and supported by George W. Bush's administration. The very same Bush administration that defends torture of captives in the so-called War on Terrorism is using 150,000 U.S. troops to support a regime in Baghdad for which torture, assassination and other war crimes are routine.

So far, it appears that the facts are these: that Iraq's interior ministry, whose top officials, strike forces and police commando units (including the so-called Wolf Brigade) are controlled by paramilitary units from Shiite militias, maintained a medieval torture chamber; that inside that facility, hundreds of mostly Sunni Arab men were bestialized, with electric drills skewering their bones, with their skins flayed off, and more; that roving units of death-squad commandos are killing countless other Sunni Arab men in order to terrorize the Iraqi opposition. Even the Washington Post, that last-ditch defender of America's illegal and unprovoked assault on Iraq, says:

Scandal over the secret prison has forced the seven-month-old Shiite-led government to confront growing charges of mass illegal detentions, torture and killings of Sunni men. Members of the Sunni minority, locked in a struggle with the Shiite majority over the division of power in Iraq, say men dressed in Interior Ministry uniforms have repeatedly rounded up Sunni men from neighborhoods and towns. Bodies of scores of them have been found dumped by roadsides or in gullies.

http://tinyurl.com/8l8b9


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"Abuse Cited In 2nd Jail Operated by Iraqi Ministry" -
http://tinyurl.com/cx4tx

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"The Government Men in Masks Who Terrorize Iraq" -
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/121105C.shtml

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"Death Mask: The Deliberate Disintegration of Iraq" -
http://tinyurl.com/aw6o5


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"America’s Covert War in Iraq" -
http://tinyurl.com/an2rf

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"Torture victims found at Iraqi detention center" -
http://tinyurl.com/8nebl


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" Iraq official defends 'torture' facility" -
http://tinyurl.com/as3aq

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K- so just who are these terrible men in power, installed by USA occupiers? Were they chosen for their willingness to torture, commit genocide [even on thier own Sunnis or Shia peoples], and obey the will of the occupiers?
You bet they were!! 'Mad as a Hatter Rumsfeld' personally oversaw much of the choosing of Iraqi's leaders, and he would not install someone unless they had proven their willingness for comitting these crimes and total obedience to America.
No wonder there is an ongoing "insurgency".

WHO THEY ARE:
"Ministry of Interior" [Iraq]
"Iraq is currently administered by the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA). Three decades of war and government mismanagement have stunted Iraq's economy, leading to increased crime and poverty. Infrastructure is antiquated. Conditions in Iraq are extremely dangerous. "
"On 01 June 2004 Falah Hassan was named the new Interior Minister. A Sunni, he had been a member of Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress in exile, but later joined the Iraqi National Movement, a Sunni-dominated group."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/iraq/moi.htm

 

[jimmoyer]

Karlin, some of what you say is right on the mark and some of what you say is wrong.

In fact there's a 1000 stories going on all at once of heroes, villains, moderates, extremists all doing things for different motivations in that country.

 

[jimmoyer]

Dr. Amal has been an activist for many decades now, though her activism has taken different forms. She has a Ph.D. in pharmacology from Mosul University, and she comes from an illustrious religious family with deep roots in Iraq. Her grandfather, Ayatollah Sheik Mohammad Hussein Kashif al-Ghita was the senior marja in Najaf in the 1930s, a position that is currently held by Ayatollah al-Sistani. Yet despite her conservative appearance and religious legacy, she has found a way to be an effective and dynamic voice for women in Iraq.


Dr. Amal Kashif al-Ghita in her home

Her books—most of which she wrote while in near house arrest in Baghdad during the 1980s because she refused to spy for Saddam's regime—cover themes that are critical of Iraqi society, tribalism, and political life. "When I read Dickens' Tale of Two Cities, I felt compelled to speak the truth about our society and the mistreatment of women," she said. I found it very interesting that she wasn't the first woman I've spoken to in Baghdad that referred to Dickens' impact on them. "I use a lot of symbolism in my novels, I find Kafka's style very powerful for this," she added. Edgar Allan Poe is another of her favorite authors.

A telephone call interrupted her train of thought. Someone else was complaining about vote-rigging in a remote district of Basra. Dr. Amal hung up, and after a pause, in indirect reaction to the news, said that sectarianism is a terrible thing and it is everyone's responsibility to avert it, including the Shiites, who cannot keep thinking of themselves as victims as a way of appealing to people.

In 1997, Dr. Amal decided to teach women at religious seminaries, or hawzas, in Baghdad and Karbala. Deconstruction is one approach she encourages her students to use when reading religious and historic texts. Since being in the national assembly, she's been unable to lecture. "I really miss teaching, it gives you a reality that nothing in government can," she added.

Dr. Amal wants to dispel the ignorance and the darkness that still hovers over so many women. To prove her point, she told me that yesterday there were many men who went to vote alone, leaving their wives at home to look after the children.


http://www.slate.com/id/2132084/entry/2132609/

 

[Karlin]

Re: Update - It WAS for the OIL

http://tinyurl.com/ddq96

Chalabi, the USA appointed Iraqi leader for the past couple years, was tossed out in recent elections , getting only 1% of the votes, a slap in the face.

So what do they do to honour those voters desires, as per democratic assignments of power?

THEY MAKE HIM OIL MINISTER. He can get the contracts away from the French and Russians, and into American hands. That was the whole point of the USA's invasion of Iraq.

 

[jimmoyer]

Ridiculous Karlin !

Sorry, man.

A little backround on Chalabi, please.

The President and Congress at one time wanted
to arrest Chalabi for misleading many of our advisors
before the war. You might refer to a post by
Ocean Breeze halfway down in her quote about
Chalabi in the thread,
BushCo crimes - lets do the world a favour:

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=150926#150926


Our policy towards Chalabi has done so many
180 degree turns, that Chalabi is for Chalabi and
has quite proven he is no American Hack but rather
an extremely smart manipulator who is independent
and who is an amalgam of many desires, some
for personal greed, some for really wishing a better
more stable Iraq, and some an able operator in
the much misunderstood world of politics.

In fact no Oil Minister will ever escape some
intelligent person's accusation of corruption.

It's the nature of the beast.

By the way, you gotta wonder about the psychology
of this man, Chalabi. Obviously he trusts and
distrusts Americans, and obviously he has taken
a great risk of his own life to even bother
in this MESS-UP-OTAMIA of Iraq. He is a large man
with large appetites for both personal gain while
achieving something big for Iraq too.

There is alot to digest about this man.

And no simple view will do.