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The Sunday Times - World



The Sunday Times December 11, 2005

Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran
Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv, and Sarah Baxter, Washington



ISRAEL’S armed forces have been ordered by Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, to be ready by the end of March for possible strikes on secret uranium enrichment sites in Iran, military sources have revealed.
The order came after Israeli intelligence warned the government that Iran was operating enrichment facilities, believed to be small and concealed in civilian locations.



Iran’s stand-off with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) over nuclear inspections and aggressive rhetoric from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, who said last week that Israel should be moved to Europe, are causing mounting concern.

The crisis is set to come to a head in early March, when Mohamed El-Baradei, the head of the IAEA, will present his next report on Iran. El-Baradei, who received the Nobel peace prize yesterday, warned that the world was “losing patience” with Iran.

A senior White House source said the threat of a nuclear Iran was moving to the top of the international agenda and the issue now was: “What next?” That question would have to be answered in the next few months, he said.

Defence sources in Israel believe the end of March to be the “point of no return” after which Iran will have the technical expertise to enrich uranium in sufficient quantities to build a nuclear warhead in two to four years.

“Israel — and not only Israel — cannot accept a nuclear Iran,” Sharon warned recently. “We have the ability to deal with this and we’re making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation.”

The order to prepare for a possible attack went through the Israeli defence ministry to the chief of staff. Sources inside special forces command confirmed that “G” readiness — the highest stage — for an operation was announced last week.

Gholamreza Aghazadeah, head of the Atomic Organisation of Iran, warned yesterday that his country would produce nuclear fuel. “There is no doubt that we have to carry out uranium enrichment,” he said.

He promised it would not be done during forthcoming talks with European negotiators. But although Iran insists it wants only nuclear energy, Israeli intelligence has concluded it is deceiving the world and has no intention of giving up what it believes is its right to develop nuclear weapons.

A “massive” Israeli intelligence operation has been underway since Iran was designated the “top priority for 2005”, according to security sources.

Cross-border operations and signal intelligence from a base established by the Israelis in northern Iraq are said to have identified a number of Iranian uranium enrichment sites unknown to the the IAEA.

Since Israel destroyed the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, “it has been understood that the lesson is, don’t have one site, have 50 sites”, a White House source said.

If a military operation is approved, Israel will use air and ground forces against several nuclear targets in the hope of stalling Tehran’s nuclear programme for years, according to Israeli military sources.

It is believed Israel would call on its top special forces brigade, Unit 262 — the equivalent of the SAS — and the F-15I strategic 69 Squadron, which can strike Iran and return to Israel without refuelling.

Possible?? Probable?? Definate???
 

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I think if I was Israely I'd be getting the hell out of there ASAP. If they attack Iran, it will be considered to be Jews seeking revenge in the eyes of the arab world, whether it's the truth or not. It's likely that all of the muslim countries in this area will go to war if this action were to be taken. I think the cradle of life region is about to become a death bed.
 

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Alberta'sfinest said:
I think if I was Israely I'd be getting the hell out of there ASAP. If they attack Iran, it will be considered to be Jews seeking revenge in the eyes of the arab world, whether it's the truth or not. It's likely that all of the muslim countries in this area will go to war if this action were to be taken. I think the cradle of life region is about to become a death bed.

It is scary to watch how eagerly two countries want to destroy histroy , culture and an area on this planet. What is WRONG with the two of them?? What happened to mutual respect.....and peaceful solutions to issues??? Power is seductive , but this is insanity.

Seems that Hitler et al had their Jews. Now the US/Israel have their Arabs . ( must really tick them off to know that the "Arabs" are located on the wealthiest resources on the planet. .....brings out the nasty greed factor too )

(and you can bet your last buck that the US dirty hands would be in this .....)
 

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I don't think it is the nuclear facilities that have Israel and the U.S. talking about Iran.

The U.N. guy (who just won the Nobel Prize) has publicly stated that Iran is at least 10 years away from having a nuclear bomb.

It is because Iran will soon begin selling it's oil for Gulf Dollars and not the U.S. greenback. A huge threat to Jewish owned financial houses on Wall Street and a huge threat to U.S. hegemony.

Saddam was getting ready to sell his oil for Euro's and that's half the reason the U.S. invaded.

If oil around the world is not sold in U.S. dollars, there would be no demand for the U.S. greenback and thus the U.S. would collapse overnight.

This new leader in Iran was elected by the U.S. and Israel and not by the Iranian people.

If you look back, during the lead-up to the Iranian election, the U.S. and Israel were bad mouthing Iran on a daily basis. So, the Iranian's did what any country would do .... they elected the person who Israel and the U.S. were screaming about.

Plus; each time the U.S. threatens action against Syria and Iran, it destroys their economy. The Iranian stock market fell 30% prior the election after all the threats being made. That is how the U.S. operates. When the economy of Iran and Syria falters, it causes huge unrest in the country and thus the government of Iran or Syria need to spend more money and resources to shore up the government.

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Maybe if Iran would stop vowing "Death to Israel", they could be a little more laissez-faire with their security. But Israel cannot afford to be complacent, not with the history of being invaded, not with the rhetoric still spewing from the mouths of their neighbours even to this day.
 

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But Israel cannot afford to be complacent, not with the history of being invaded, not with the rhetoric still spewing from the mouths of their neighbours even to this day.

Israel has never been invaded. Foreign Arab soldiers were in Palestine but never in Israel. Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is as despicable as the German treatment of the Jews

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Israel has never been invaded. Foreign Arab soldiers were in Palestine but never in Israel. Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is as despicable as the German treatment of the Jews
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1. Isreal have never been invaded? 1948, 1967, Yom Kipper War the threat of promised invasion was there but Israel stopped it and fought them, and so that's the only reason Israel was never invaded. Had Israel not been so forearmed, they surely would have been massacred.

2. Jordan controlled the West bank from 1948 to 1967 and during that precious time the whole Arab world with its rich oil dollars felt so little about the Palestinians that they kept them in refugee camps and did not give them an Independent State, nor even jobs.

3. The Arab oil money was willing to pay for suicide bombers but not investment to create jobs. For jobs the Palestinians had to seek employment from the hated zionists. Great people these arabs are !!!

4. Israel even allows Arab mayors and some representation in the Knesset. It's amazing. You won't see that in the the wonderful all knowing Arab world.

5. All the passion for the Palestinian state wasn't enough for the Arabs to create them a country on the West Bank when they controlled it.

6. All the passion for the Palestinians quite mystifies the average Kurd. Perhaps if they got their children to wear suicide vests, they too would get the world's interest and sympathy.
 

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Saddam was getting ready to sell his oil for Euro's and that's half the reason the U.S. invaded.

absolutely........and notice how this little gem is mentioned ,if at all. It was hardly mentioned before the US invasion of Iraq.



(not sure how much more of the US ugliness this world will be able to tolerate without something going "SNAP". Then they wonder why they are resented so much.. ------gee , get a clue . and look in the mirror)
 

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1. Isreal have never been invaded? 1948, 1967, Yom Kipper War the threat of promised invasion was there but Israel stopped it and fought them, and so that's the only reason Israel was never invaded. Had Israel not been so forearmed, they surely would have been massacred.

Absolute nonsense, the Palestinians had no weapons to speak of and the Israelis were armed to the teeth by the U.S. Every war was a land grab war started by Israel. The Jews were given over half of what was once Palestine and they have since, with the help and blessings of the U.S., taken it all, plus a bit of Syria, a bit of Lebanon, a bit of Egypt, a bit of Jordan. I suggest you read something besides CNN.
 

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Obviously all 3 wars the Arabs thought they could take Israel, and would have rejoiced in the massacre of every zionist in the land.

They thought they could crush Israel in 1948. The Egyptians really thought they could have taken on Israel in 1967, and the Yom Kippur war was planned as a suprise attack.

You're correct how strong Israel was from our support, but somehow the Arab world still thought they had enough armament to wipe the zionists off the map, or they wouldn't have tried it.

Perhaps we both find each other to be equally prejudiced and one-sided and unfair and naive and ignorant on this matter.
 

#juan

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Obviously all 3 wars the Arabs thought they could take Israel, and would have rejoiced in the massacre of every zionist in the land.

What are you talking about? Israel was the attacker in every war. Each war was a preemptive land grab.


Deir Yassin Remembered

Early in the morning of April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun (headed by Menachem Begin) and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. The village lay outside of the area to be assigned by the United Nations to the Jewish State; it had a peaceful reputation. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Deir Yassin was slated for occupation under Plan Dalet and the mainstream Jewish defense force, the Haganah, authorized the irregular terrorist forces of the Irgun and the Stern Gang to perform the takeover.

In all over 100 men, women, and children were systematically murdered. Fifty-three orphaned children were literally dumped along the wall of the Old City, where they were found by Miss Hind Husseini and brought behind the American Colony Hotel to her home, which was to become the Dar El-Tifl El-Arabi orphanage.

Part of the struggle for self-determination by Palestinians has been to tell the truth about Palestinians as victims of Zionism. For too long their history has been denied, and this denial has only served to further oppress and deliberately dehumanize Palestinians in Israel, inside the occupied territories, and outside in their diaspora.

Some progress has been made. Westerners now realize that Palestinians, as a people, do exist. And they have come to acknowledge that during the creation of the state of Israel, thousands of Palestinians were killed and over 700,000 were driven or frightened from their homes and lands on which they had lived for centuries. There were many Deir Yassins
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
Saddam was getting ready to sell his oil for Euro's and that's half the reason the U.S. invaded.

absolutely........and notice how this little gem is mentioned ,if at all. It was hardly mentioned before the US invasion of Iraq.



(not sure how much more of the US ugliness this world will be able to tolerate without something going "SNAP". Then they wonder why they are resented so much.. ------gee , get a clue . and look in the mirror)

This is simply silly. The biggest consumer of fossil fuels on earth is the USA. What, do you think Saddam was going to refuse to sell oil to the USA? And it would have been a hell of a lot cheaper for the US just to buy the oil than to pay for the invasion of the country.

Was the invasion of Iraq a mistake? Yes, because no WMD were found, although I believe the American administration thought they were there.

Am I glad Saddam is gone? You bet.

Will this eventually turn out to be of strategic value to the west? I hope so.

Was it merely a war for oil? I don't think so.
 

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BTW, thank God the Israelis have the cojones to take out Iran's nuclear facilities.

I will celebrate the day it happens.

Read Iranian rhetoric. This would be a simple act of self-defense.
 

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Hey Colby, I'm having a hard time finding different biased sources saying the same thing.

Especially about the 1948 war in Palestine/Israel.

Western sources say how the armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan massed together to attack first and Arab sources say the Israelis started slaughtering towns first.

But I cannot find any source that actually examines both.

But before you respond, I'd like you to read something and give it a full chance. I'm curious.


http://www.counterpunch.org/kchristison0715.html

Now I got a good fire-eating liberal friend who lives a couple blocks away that contributes paid articles to that site, but I found a lot of reasonable analysis in that article.

It was interesting about David McCulloh's response to this author's article, especially since I loved his book on John Adams.
 

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Colpy said:
BTW, thank God the Israelis have the cojones to take out Iran's nuclear facilities.

I will celebrate the day it happens.

Read Iranian rhetoric. This would be a simple act of self-defense.


Oh sure........ Just like the US .....Israel is an expert at guilt induction/poor me and playing the victim role. And people still buy into their crap.

Self defense??? Spin and nothing more.......as after being provocative until Iran loses its patience and blurts out some nasty words........then suddenly......they ( US/Israeli gang) can say......gee , see how they treat us.?? (with NO comment on how they have been treating others to provoke. NASTY psychopathic game these sob's play......

Just looking for an excuse to invade. That's all it is. and even if there is no excuse.....it isn't likely to stop them. They will lie, cheat and manipulate to invade if it will continue to suit their political ambitions.
 

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Israel will/want to strike Iran if they had nukes or not. It is a US policy implemented by the Zionists. Next will be Syria and so on. But I think Israel will be in for a big surprise if they are crazy to implement their plan.