How our governments use terrorism to control us

jjw1965

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The sponsorship of terrorism by western governments, targeting their own populations, has been a taboo subject. Although major scandals have received cursory coverage in the media, the subject has been allowed to immediately disappear without discussion or investigation. Therefore the appearance this year of two major studies of this subject is a welcome breakthrough, and provides essential reading for anyone struggling to understand the events of September 11, 2001 and the post September 11 world.

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mrmom2

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Ever-Expanding Powers: The Pentagon's Domestic Spying Operation
Mike Whitney | November 28 2005

The strategy to militarize the country is moving forward as planned despite apparent setbacks in Iraq. As the Washington Post reported on Nov. 27 the Dept of Defense is expanding its domestic surveillance activity to allow Pentagon spies to track down and "investigate crimes within the United States".

An alarmed Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore) said, "We are deputizing the military to spy on law-abiding Americans in America. This is a huge leap without a congressional hearing".

Is this the first time that the naïve Wyden realized that the war on terror is actually directed at the American people?

The expanded powers of the Pentagon were presented in a proposal by a presidential commission headed by Lawrence Silberman and former Senator Charles Robb, two members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the 9-11 "whitewash" commission. The CFR, a 4,000 member amalgam of elites from the military, industry and media, was the driving force behind the Iraq war, as well as, enthusiastic advocates of the national security state. Their recommendations will allow the military to assume the traditional role of law enforcement and by giving it the authority to "carry out domestic criminal investigations and clandestine operations against potential threats inside the United States".

Oh, yeah; and the Pentagon will be involved in the "apprehension, or detention of individuals suspected" of criminal offenses.

This is a giant step for removing dissidents and political enemies while further militarizing the country.

The Patriot Act is also up for renewal and will remove the last nettlesome parts of the 4th amendment and any conceivable notion of personal privacy. "Lone wolf" provisions in the new bill allow law enforcement to investigate any American citizen, whether he is connected to an "alleged" terrorist organization or not, seizing whatever records they want, without having to show "probable cause". The same is true of the Act's NSS (National Security Letters) which permits government agents to sort through all of one's private records without judicial oversight.

The "due process" provisions of the Bill of Rights has been summarily removed by the 4th Circuit Court in its recent Jose Padilla ruling which allows the president to arbitrarily imprison an American citizen "indefinitely" without charging him with a crime. The long-standing "presumption of innocence", habeas corpus, and inalienable rights were quietly rescinded without as much as a whimper from the American people.

At the same time Bush has put "a broad swath of the FBI" under his direct control by creating the National Security Service (aka; the "New SS")? This is the first time we've had a "secret police" in our 200 year history. It will be run exclusively by the president and beyond the range of congressional oversight.

On October 27, 2005 Bush created the National Clandestine Service, which will be headed by CIA Director Porter Goss and will "expand reporting of information and intelligence value from state, local and tribal law enforcement entities and private sector stakeholders"? This executive order gives the CIA the power to carry out covert operations, spying, propaganda, and "dirty tricks" within the United States and on the American public. ("The New National Intelligence Strategy of the US" by Larry Chin, Global Research)

Also, within 2 years every American license and passport will be made according to federal uniform standards including microchips (with biometric information) that will allow the government to trace every movement of its citizens?

All of these changes in the law have taken place below the radar of public attention and all of them correspond to a "nutcase" conspiracy by the CFR to transform Canada, Mexico and the US into one, integrated "free trade" nation in 5 years time. (I'm not making this up) See: Trilateral Task Force Recommendations,

The only thing that makes this bizarre specter of a "capitalist police state" seem believable is that Bush has already carried out most of the basic recommendations of that other wacky conspiracy theory; The Project for the New American Century. The US has extended its military presence throughout Central Asia and the Middle East, curtailed civil liberties at home, greatly enhanced the power of the president, militarized space, passed legislation for Missile Defense "Star Wars", and reinvigorated the bio-chemical weapons industry. All of these were outlined in the PNAC.

Sometimes "conspiracy theories" come to fruition despite our unwillingness to give them credence.

So, let me make a prediction, however groundless and far-fetched as it may seem.

The 5 years of work that went into creating the Bush National Security State will not be passed on to some anemic Democrat, like Hillary Clinton, according to the normal protocols. The "capitalist police state" represents the concerted efforts of myriad elites from all walks of life; particularly banking, big energy, military and media. The last obstacle to realizing their macabre vision is Congress; the final hurdle to absolute power.

If some unforeseen tragedy befalls congress, like another anthrax attack, what should we expect from the Bush administration?

Well, we have a pretty good idea, since the American Enterprise Institute, to which the Bush team is closely aligned, has already "issued proposals for the operation of Congress following a catastrophic terrorist attack". They advocate the "APPOINTING" of individuals to the House of Representatives "to fill the seats of dead or incapacitated members, a first in American history" "The Continuity of Government Commission is self-commissioned', its members being neither elected nor appointed by any government bodyand mostly made up of professional lobbyists". (Read the whole article.)

So, lobbyists and industry representatives will replace duly-elected congressman?

This gives us some idea of the seething contempt that right-wing elites have for democracy and how they plan to dismantle Congress when given half a chance.

Presently, Bush's fortunes are inextricably tied to an "unwinnable" war in Iraq. As his popularity has dwindled, Congress has become more reluctant to promote his far-right agenda and make further cuts to popular social programs. This situation will only get worse as we approach the 2006 mid-term elections.

Could it be time to "look the other way" while terrorists enter the country?

According to Sean Hannity, right-wing shiatsu for the FOX News channel, terrorists have already snuck in through our "porous borders".

A preemptive strike on congress would lift the battered Bush from the political ash-heap and put the finishing touches on the imperial presidency.

It may be time for another galvanizing "Pearl Harbor-type event"; one that will strike at the legislative nerve-center of American democracy. With Congress out of the picture, the path is clear for one man rule and Bush's fascist Valhalla

Hey Jim you better start worrying about your goverment and not the big bad bogeyman Arab :p
 

jjw1965

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Re: RE: How our governments use terrorism to control us

jimmoyer said:
Okay, you go fight that scarecrow, I just hope more of you condemn the terrorism that has become a psychological industry dedicated to finding those 20 years olds with no raison d'etre.

Hey Jim, which is better, Eliminate the virus that causes your symptoms or just treat the symptoms?
 

Karlin

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"Military -Industrial complex" , the protestors catch-phrase from the 1960s, still appplies, and it is still half-hidden from public awareness.

The USA industrialists and their friends in the Committe for Foreign Relations have been at this terrible espionage and imperialism [a form of terrorism] for a long time.

Here is an example of American globalism from the 2nd WW:

U.S. CORPORATIONS AND THE NAZIS

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . .

"Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there." - William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937.(1)

"A large volume of documentary evidence exists that reveals that many of the richest, most powerful men in the United States, and the giant corporations they controlled, were secretly allied with the Nazis, both before and during World War II, even after war was declared between Germany and America. This alliance began with U.S. corporate investment during the reconstruction of post-World War I Germany in the 1920s and, years later, included financial, industrial and military aid to the Nazis."

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/shadv3.html
{scroll down a little ways, the above quote are just after the Preface and Introduction -K ]
 

Karlin

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"Military -Industrial complex" , the protestors catch-phrase from the 1960s, still appplies, and it is still half-hidden from public awareness.

The USA industrialists and their friends in the Committe for Foreign Relations have been at this terrible espionage and imperialism [a form of terrorism] for a long time.

Here is an example of American globalism from the 2nd WW:

U.S. CORPORATIONS AND THE NAZIS

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . .

"Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there." - William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937.(1)

"A large volume of documentary evidence exists that reveals that many of the richest, most powerful men in the United States, and the giant corporations they controlled, were secretly allied with the Nazis, both before and during World War II, even after war was declared between Germany and America. This alliance began with U.S. corporate investment during the reconstruction of post-World War I Germany in the 1920s and, years later, included financial, industrial and military aid to the Nazis."

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/shadv3.html
{scroll down a little ways, the above quote are just after the Preface and Introduction -K ]
The USA could have stopped Hitler by simply not selling him refined gasoline [?tetra-ethyl-lead?]. While they profitted, their own sons died in the trenches - Not nice people!
 

jimmoyer

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Karlin, those conclusions about collusion with the Nazis really should be re-examined.

Just as the accepted line of history should be questioned, so too should the alternative views of history also be questioned and challenged.

I find such conclusions simply part of the extremism of a pendulum swing of over-reactions to previous untruths with a substitute new un-truth.
 

Reverend Blair

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Ford did promote backing the Nazis and his plants in Germany did stay up and running. Prescott Bush did get in trouble for his business dealings with the enemy.

There are more examples of course, including here and in Britain, but to use the word "re-examine" when what you really mean is "deny and obfuscate" doesn't cut it, Jimmy.
 

jimmoyer

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No, Reverend, just seeking a little balance.

There are those examples, but there are countervailing examples as well.

Don't substitute one untruth with another.

That's neither denial or obfuscating your point.

To say 10 examples of collusion with the Nazi without 10 other well known examples of pounding the crap out of the Nazis is certainly misleading overall.

The truth is a many splendored thing.
 

Reverend Blair

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It isn't a matter of math though, Jimmy, it's a matter of modern day influence.

Henry Ford's anti-semitism and support of Hitler doesn't trouble me nearly as much as the Bush family's involvement does because the Bush family has shown a propensity for going to war to protect financial interests. I don't want to discuss the old nature vs. nurture argument, so don't head there, but we've two Bush's head to war based largely on financial interests and they are descended from a man who betrayed his country during wartime because of financial interests. The family is rotten to the core.
 

jimmoyer

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Well, defending the Bush family nor attacking them doesn't interest me, although it probably should.

And it isn't a math problem. I was just saying that I notice when people learn some details for the first time, an overreaction occurs.

Overall this country went to war on the Nazi, despite some of the sympathies some rich families in America had.

The overall affect of Karlin's quotes misleads by a great degree how much this country and yours fought the Nazi.

A lot of rich families in America were anti-semetic and favored the Nazi. But there were enough other rich families and other elites and large majorities of American groups that opposed the Nazi emergence.
 

jimmoyer

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jimmoyer wrote:
Okay, you go fight that scarecrow, I just hope more of you condemn the terrorism that has become a psychological industry dedicated to finding those 20 years olds with no raison d'etre.
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Hey Jim, which is better, Eliminate the virus that causes your symptoms or just treat the symptoms?

------------------------by jjw1965----------------------

That question has a presumption that terrorism ONLY has its roots from American sin.

Your question pre-supposes the answer that the Industry of Terror once established will go away IF ONLY America stops its own crap.

Maybe you're right, jjw1965.

But the Twin towers almost collapsed from a bomb in 1994 under the well-liked Clinton Presidency and because why?

American troops were in Saudi Arabia after Saddam's war of agression on Kuwait, making the Saudi fear any encroachment of their own oil.

I think the Industry of Terrorism is so firmly established that it will continue to find reasons to continue its own interests and existence.

Let's just say tommorrow, America disappears.

Will the Industry of Terror suddenly collapse?

No, because this is all those manipulators know. They've got the Zionist Conspiracy to fight. They've got Westernized Global Trade to fight. They group the Russians and French and Americans all together.

And will use each one of us against the other.
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

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As the economy collapses, the more frequent the terrorist reports will become.

Since this is an "international" forum, I have not posted links to articles where Canada has taken identical steps.
We may recall that we have prisons and courthouses which were built under the pretence of Native Gangs and Motorcycle gangs.

If any of the links listed below are inactive, just tell me and I'll PM the video or article to you.

Calm

U.S. Military Civil Disturbance Planning: The War At Home
By Frank Morales
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/suppression

Pentagon devising scenarios for martial law in US
By Patrick Martin
August 09, 2005
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/aug2005/mart-a09.shtml

FEMA - The Secret Government
By Harry V. Martin with research assistance from David Caul
1995
http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html

FEMA: Blueprint For Tyranny
By Roland C. Eyears
1997
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_new_world_order/163636.html

Police State! Coming? Or Already Here?
By Tom Rose
November 21, 2005
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/rose-t1.html

Revealed: police's new supergun will blast rioters off their feet
New generation of microwave and laser weapons set to transform crowd control techniques

By Severin Carrell
October 09, 2005
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article318241.ece

Winter Systems Restraint Cannon
Type: Vortex Gun Conceal: N/A Ammo: 25(c) Mode: SA
Damage: 12S Stun Caliber: 40mm Weight: 15 Avail: 14/30 days
Cost: 7,000¥ Street Index: 4
http://www.sunshine-project.org

Maximum pain is aim of new US weapon
By David Hambling
March 02, 2005
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7077

Strategy for Homeland Defense and Civil Support
Department of Defense

Washington, D.C.
June 2005
(PDF Document)
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2005/d20050630homeland.pdf

National Response Plan - Homeland Security
December 2004
(PDF Document)
http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRPbaseplan.pdf

Department Of Homeland Security
Planning & Prevention
National Response Plan

December 2004
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interapp/editorial/editorial_0566.xml
(PDF Document)
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interweb/assetlibrary/NRP_FullText.pdf

Rex 84
Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a plan by the United States federal government to accommodate the detention of large numbers of American citizens during times of emergency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

U.S. Concentration Camps FEMA and the REX 84 program
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

The Power Of Nightmares Part 1, 2, 3,

(Real Player Presentation)
Part I Baby It's Cold Outside
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm
Or:
http://informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm

(Real Player Presentation)
Part II The Phantom Victory
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3951615.stm
Or:
http://informationclearinghouse.info/video1038.htm

(Real Player Presentation)
Part III The Shadows in the Cave
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3970901.stm
Or:
http://informationclearinghouse.info/video1040.htm

Unofficial but complete transcript
http://www.silt3.com/index.php?id=573

Battle of the Washington think tanks
03 Apr 03
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2914969.stm

The War Party
12 May 12, 2003
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/3021001.stm

Reith Lectures: Climate of Fear
http://www.open2.net/reith2004

The making of the terror myth
Since September 11 Britain has been warned of the 'inevitability' of catastrophic terrorist attack. But has the danger been exaggerated? A major new TV documentary claims that the perceived threat is a politically driven fantasy - and al-Qaida a dark illusion

By Andy Beckett
October 15, 2004
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1327904,00.html

The fear game, our latest sensation
We are more likely to die on the road than be killed by a terrorist
act

By Ross Gittins
November 16, 2005
http://www.theage.com.au/news/ross-...test-sensation/2005/11/15/1132016792060.html?

Thom Hartmann, "Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power,"
December 07, 2004
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1207-26.htm

Explosive BBC Doc Exposes Decades-Old Neocon Deceits
Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power

By Thom Hartmann
December 28, 2004
http://www.rense.com/general61/ddoc.htm

The Clash of the Cults
By Salim Muwakkil
March 10, 2005
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2002

Few Terror Convictions in Cases Since 9/11
Less Than Half of the People Charged Had Demonstrated Connections to Terror Groups

By Dan Eggen and Julie Tate
June 12, 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100381.html

A Case-by-Case Examination
June 12, 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100505_pf.html

330 Suspects Charged
Charged: 330 Cases
Convictions: All
Terrorism/National Security
By Crime
By Organization
June 12, 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/dojstats/full330.html

More than a year and a half before Sept. 11, 2001, Ali Alubeidy was caught up in an investigation of fraudulent Pennsylvania commercial driver's licenses. It wasn't until after the attacks on New York and the Pentagon that the FBI pursued his case as having a possible link to terrorism. Although the connection soon unraveled, Alubeidy, an Iraqi immigrant, lives with the stigma.
June 10, 2005
(RealPlayer Presentation)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2005/06/10/VI2005061001271.html

Fired Customs Agent Diane Klieman, Reveals The Sham Of Homeland Security And The War On Drugs
October 04, 2004
(MP3 Format)
http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/audio/InsideTrackNews041004.mp3

Terrorism
Dudley Knox Library
Naval Postgraduate School
June 07, 2005
http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/terrorism.htm#iraqdocs

The Arms Trader
By Petra Bartosiewicz
Viewed July 13, 2005
The Arms Trader
(RealPlayer Presentation)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9467.htm

FBI Tapes
The Arms Dealer - Hemant Lakhani

(QuickTime Presentation)
http://thislife.org/qt/292_missile.mov

The Terrorism Case That Wasn't -- and Still Is
By Jerry Markon
June 12, 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100379.html

Post-9/11 Probe Revived Stolen-Cereal Incident
By Jerry Markon
June 12, 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100380.html

Immigration Law as Anti-Terrorism Tool
By Mary Beth Sheridan
June 13, 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/12/AR2005061201441.html

Federal Bureau of Entrapment
Orchestrating Terrorism

By Paul Craig Roberts
June 06, 2005
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts06062005.html

List of Foiled Plots Puzzling to Some
White House Document Mixes Half-Baked Plans With Serious Terrorist Threats

By Sara Kehaulani Goo
October 23, 2005
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/22/AR2005102201162.html?

Next Stop: Big Brother
November 18, 2005
http://www.papersplease.org/davis/facts.html
 

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Hi! JimMoyer

The same government who allowed tainted blood into our blood supply system and knew it was tainted?

The same government which sprayed our troops with Agent Orange and in other instances experimented with chemicals and agents upon soldiers without their knowledge or consent? Or, placed them close to nuclear experiments and explosions without advising them of the dangers?

The same government who lied it's citizens into one war after another with fake intelligence and fake news and whatever?

If you would like more examples, I could provide them for yuh!

Your damn right .... I don't trust the government at all.

This terrorist sh?t is just a load of crap because the elite are terrified that the ordinary Joe is gonna grab them by the throats and hang them all on street lamps as the economy collapses.

They are simply using any excuse and charge right now in order to set the precedents for court proceedings in the future.

These "Errorists" have got it comin' to them too! It's the economic terrorists we should be worried about. The folks who run Wall Street better start building high fences in their gated communities.

Calm
 

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Well I won't say much calm, don't wanna upset the logical thinkers around here, they don't like the drift. hehehehehe..to bad, eh Calm. :p Clouds drift, rivers drift, why can't posts. Thats what you call real calm.. :p :lol: :lol:
Speaking of hats, where is your tinfoil bling bling :p Never mind, I am gonna start a thread welcoming you back, that way we can get the skinny on what you have been doing....now back to sunshine and roses...

How the governments use terrorism to control us 8O 8O 8O