Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar

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It's bad enough that Venezuelan president Chavez has committed Human Rights violations against his own citizens, he now also blaintly lied about the reason for wanting to expell the American Missionary Group.

Chavez accused the misionary group of exploiting the native communities in Venezuela. Well, apparently he doesn't speak for the native communities. Jose Kayupare of the Puinare tribe challenged Chavez's claims. Jose Kayupare said the New Tribes Mission has helped Indian communities ravaged by malaria and other diseases in Venezuela, sometimes airlifting the sick to medical assistance, when the government and others had abandoned them.

It's bad enough Chavez abandons his own native community, he now also lies on their behalf.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-10-15-indianschavez_x.htm

Posted 10/15/2005 7:50 PM

Venezuelan Indians denounce Chavez expulsion order

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Members of a Venezuelan indigenous tribe on Saturday criticized President Hugo Chavez's order to expel a U.S. missionary group he accused of links to the CIA, saying the decision goes against the interests of their impoverished communities.
Jose Kayupare of the Puinare tribe challenged Chavez's claims that the Sanford, Fla.-based New Tribes Mission constituted an "imperialist infiltration" that was exploiting native communities.

"For those of us who live in the jungle, this really is a decision that the majority of indigenous people in Amazonas (state) don't support and that we are not going to accept under any circumstances," Kayupare told reporters.

He said the New Tribes Mission has helped Indian communities ravaged by malaria and other diseases in Venezuela, sometimes airlifting the sick to medical assistance, when the government and others had abandoned them.

Chavez has accused the missionaries of ties to the CIA and collecting "strategic information" on Venezuela — charges the group denies. Although Venezuela is a key oil supplier to the United States, relations between the two countries have long been strained, and Chavez has repeatedly accused Washington of supporting efforts to oust him.

The government has also said the group has built luxurious camps next to poor Indian villages, circumvents Venezuelan customs by flying in and out of dozens of private airstrips with their planes, and is conducting mining studies in the gold-rich region.

"Why don't they ask (the Indian communities) ... if they've really been abused?" asked Domingo Gonzalez, an indigenous Venezuelan working with the group.

"The indigenous Venezuelans need to be heard, not to be spoken for," Gonzalez said, accusing the government of being "the ones who really harm and oppress them."

The country's top evangelical organization, The Evangelical Council of Venezuela, issued a statement defending the missionaries' work and denying the group had any ties with the U.S. government or was working for profit.

It said the group, aside from its missionary work, was involved in programs to help Indian communities preserve their languages and bilingual programs to teach them Spanish.

Amazonas Governor Liborio Guarulla, acting on Chavez's decision, on Friday ordered New Tribe missionaries in the area to leave.

The New Tribes Mission, founded in 1942, specializes in evangelism among indigenous groups and has 3,200 workers worldwide in 17 nations. Its 160 members working in Venezuela include Canadian, British and U.S. citizens, as well as about 30 Venezuelans.
 

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Hugo Chávez and the Politics of Race Long read Nascar but I suggest you read it.

Why do you keep trying to run Chavez down for? He is twice the man "W" will ever be.

click above link for story. Long article but well worth the time:

A snippet ( from:venezuelanalysis not some US spin paper )

Chávez has lived up to the constitution by awarding communal land titles to six Kariña indigenous communities. The land titles will be handed out to 4,000 people and encompass 317,000 acres in the Venezuelan states of Monagas and Anzoategui. The land transfers form part of Mission Guaicaipuro, a plan to provide land titles to all of Venezuela's 28 indigenous peoples. Chávez awarded the communal titles to the Kariña in August during the 16th World Festival of Students and Youth. The conference, which was attended by 40,000 people, was held in Caracas. During the opening procession of nations Chávez gave a "thumbs up" to a banner which displayed the words "Leonard Peltier." An indigenous woman speaker at the conference, one of three indigenous representatives in the Venezuela Assembly, praised recent advances for indigenous people. One conference participant reported, "Chávez hugged all the indigenous leaders in front of the world and gave deeds of territory to the tribes." By the end of 2006, Chávez' Mission Guaicaipuro plans to award land titles to 15 more indigenous groups. Participants at the conference were also pleased by Chávez's moves to halt the celebration of Columbus Day, which he has replaced with "Indigenous Resistance Day."
 

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no1important said:
Hugo Chávez and the Politics of Race Long read Nascar but I suggest you read it.

Why do you keep trying to run Chavez down for? He is twice the man "W" will ever be.

click above link for story. Long article but well worth the time:

A snippet ( from:venezuelanalysis not some US spin paper )

Chávez has lived up to the constitution by awarding communal land titles to six Kariña indigenous communities. The land titles will be handed out to 4,000 people and encompass 317,000 acres in the Venezuelan states of Monagas and Anzoategui. The land transfers form part of Mission Guaicaipuro, a plan to provide land titles to all of Venezuela's 28 indigenous peoples. Chávez awarded the communal titles to the Kariña in August during the 16th World Festival of Students and Youth. The conference, which was attended by 40,000 people, was held in Caracas. During the opening procession of nations Chávez gave a "thumbs up" to a banner which displayed the words "Leonard Peltier." An indigenous woman speaker at the conference, one of three indigenous representatives in the Venezuela Assembly, praised recent advances for indigenous people. One conference participant reported, "Chávez hugged all the indigenous leaders in front of the world and gave deeds of territory to the tribes." By the end of 2006, Chávez' Mission Guaicaipuro plans to award land titles to 15 more indigenous groups. Participants at the conference were also pleased by Chávez's moves to halt the celebration of Columbus Day, which he has replaced with "Indigenous Resistance Day."


Firstly no1, I have never heard of the venezuelanalysis? Is it a state run Venezuelan paper? USA Today is a mainstream nationwide paper.

Secondly, the few Indigenous people that were present at Chavez's conference were very likely hand picked by Chavez. The majority (as seen below) are against his decison.

Here we have real sources, Jose Kayupare and Domingo Gonzalez who belong to the Indigenous community and speak on their behalf said ... quoting ...

"The indigenous Venezuelans need to be heard, not to be spoken for," accusing the government of being "the ones who really harm and oppress them."

"For those of us who live in the jungle, this really is a decision that the majority of indigenous people in Amazonas (state) don't support and that we are not going to accept under any circumstances,"

They also stated that the New Tribes Mission has helped Indian communities ravaged by malaria and other diseases in Venezuela, sometimes airlifting the sick to medical assistance, when the government and others had abandoned them.
 

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Yeah yeah yeah try and discredit Chavez all you want with American propoganda, but informed people like myself know the real truth.

You should really look in your own back yard before you try to run down great leaders of other countries. "W" seems to be the real liar.

The sad reality is those so called missionaires are probablt CIA spys. America will stop at nothing to kill Chavez. They fear his agenda and all the good he has done.
 

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no1important said:
Yeah yeah yeah try and discredit Chavez all you want with American propoganda, but informed people like myself know the real truth.

You should really look in your own back yard before you try to run down great leaders of other countries. "W" seems to be the real liar.

The sad reality is those so called missionaires are probablt CIA spys. America will stop at nothing to kill Chavez. They fear his agenda and all the good he has done.

Well no1, many folks respect USA Today. It has been a trusted and accurate news source for many of us.
 

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James wrote:
"For those of us who live in the jungle, this really is a decision that the majority of indigenous people in Amazonas (state) don't support and that we are not going to accept under any circumstances,"

When are you going to learn James? It's none of your damned business what Chavez does in his own country. He has been democratically elected twice. Who are you to say the Venezualan people were wrong? Why don't you just admit that you want Venezualan oil?
 

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#juan said:
James wrote:
"For those of us who live in the jungle, this really is a decision that the majority of indigenous people in Amazonas (state) don't support and that we are not going to accept under any circumstances,"

When are you going to learn James? It's none of your damned business what Chavez does in his own country. He has been democratically elected twice. Who are you to say the Venezualan people were wrong? Why don't you just admit that you want Venezualan oil?

Well Juan, when it affects Americans, it affects me. Chavez is expelling an American Missionary group based on his lies. He said they were taking advantage of the natives there when in fact it is he who has done so. Members of the Indian tribes there have stated as such. This American Missionary group was helping out the natives there and now that they have to leave, the natives will suffer as a result.

I knew he violated the rights of his own citizens, but never thought he would lie on behalf of the Indian community there for his self interests.
 

#juan

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I repeat James

What Chavez does in his own country is none of your business. Chavez has been fairly elected. Go away and mind your own business. By the way, how have you treated your own indigenous natives?
 

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Nascar_James said:
Well Juan, when it affects Americans, it affects me. Chavez is expelling an American Missionary group based on his lies.

Substitue American with Canadian. This is exactly how Canadians feel about the US. This is why there is such an interest in what goes on down here. It affects them. This is what the US seems to fails to understand...what they do...affects everyone on the planet. Just as, what Venezuela or Cuba or Canada, or Sweden does affects the rest of the world.
 

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The problem is the US government has never learned to mind their own business, but one day it will bite them in the ass.

....its is their business if Chavez is accusing them of something when all they were trying to do was help....Chavez seems to have gone renegade and is just trying to rally against the US so he can justify himself.....

What Chavez does in his own country is none of your business. Chavez has been fairly elected. Go away and mind your own business. By the way, how have you treated your own indigenous natives?

.....wow well for starters then you should not be a hypocrite and understand that the man you hate soo much was also fairly elected...... and then according to you..you should shut up....and ignorant boy you should also remember that Canada has not exactally treated native people fairly in the past....

Yeah yeah yeah try and discredit Chavez all you want with American propoganda, but informed people like myself know the real truth.

........and how do you know that Chavez has not lied about the missionaries?...let me guess it just doesen't fit into the pro Chavez movement so it must be bullshit...
 

#juan

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I think you will find that there is some dispute on whether G.W. Bush was fairly elected or not, but that is none of my business. Nor is it any business of the U.S. what Chavez does in his own country since Chavez was fairly elected with a sizeable majority twice in the last couple years.

Yankee go home!
 

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Good for Chavez, kick their phoney greedy ass's back to the US of A

Venezuela to Expel U.S. Evangelical Group
Humberto Márquez

CARACAS, Oct 12 (IPS) - Venezuela will expel the U.S. evangelical group New Tribes Mission, which has been active in indigenous communities along the southern border with Colombia and Brazil since 1946, President Hugo Chávez announced Wednesday.

"They will leave Venezuela," said the president. "They are agents of imperialist penetration. They gather sensitive and strategic information and are exploiting the Indians. So they will leave, and I don't care two hoots about the international consequences that this decision could bring."

New Tribes, an evangelical organisation that has long had close ties with the U.S.-based Summer Institute of Linguistics, is active in a number of countries in Asia and Latin America, and in Venezuela has focused its efforts on the Yanomami, Ye'kuana and Panare indigenous groups and other ethnic communities in the southern part of the country.

The Summer Institute of Linguistics was founded in 1934 with the declared purpose of translating the Bible into indigenous languages.

Chávez was delivering collective land titles, boat motors, vehicles and credits to indigenous communities in the plains region in southern Venezuela on Wednesday, the date he had declared "day of indigenous resistance," when he made the surprising announcement on the New Tribes Mission in a nationally broadcast speech.

"I have seen reports and videos on the activity of these New Tribes. We don't want them here; we all form part of an old tribe," Chávez quipped.

Since the 1970s, New Tribes has drawn heavy criticism from many quarters, including leftist political groups, environmentalists, indigenous organisations, academics, Catholic Church leaders and even members of the military. The controversial group has been accused of prospecting for strategic minerals on behalf of transnational corporations and of the forced acculturation and conversion of indigenous people.

Sociologist and environmentalist Alexander Luzardo, who 20 years ago published a report on the New Tribes Mission's operations in the Amazon jungle, welcomed Chávez's decision.

He told IPS that the decision "complies with what is stipulated in the constitution of 1999, which establishes indigenous peoples' right to self-determination and to respect for their beliefs, values and customs.

He also said the expulsion of the group would be in line with the recommendations of numerous government and parliamentary reports that had warned about the group's activities in Venezuela.

"New Tribes has westernized indigenous people by force, while spreading a sense of shame and guilt, disguised as teaching the gospel: they taught the Panares that Satan had turned into a Panare Indian and that they were guilty of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ," said Luzardo.

However, New Tribe missionary Richard Bruce said in an interview with the local press four years ago that "we want to respect the way of life and customs of indigenous peoples, not change them overnight. This is not a corner of the United States."

During the group's most active period, roughly 20 years ago, New Tribes missionaries from the United States numbered close to 200, said Luzardo. They were mainly concentrated in Tama-Tama, a spot where several rivers meet in the heart of the southernmost Venezuelan state of Amazonas.

This area is believed to be rich in minerals like uranium. For many years, New Tribes built airstrips and modern installations that contrasted sharply with the rustic constructions in the indigenous communities they ministered to.

The now defunct National Identity Movement, which grouped together cultural, environmental and indigenous organisations in the 1980s, maintained that New Tribes acted as a cover for the prospecting of geological and mineral wealth coveted by corporations that provided funding for the Summer Institute of Linguistics. These included General Dynamics, a defence industry contractor, and Ford.

Nevertheless, the demands made at the time for the expulsion of the New Tribes Mission from Venezuela eventually faded into oblivion, as did public concern over the activity of the group, which has also experienced divisions in recent years, Luzardo commented.

But that changed with the announcement made by Chávez, who noted that "while indigenous people live in extremely difficult conditions, New Tribes have power plants, radio systems and airstrips well maintained with tractors and mowers, where planes fly in from abroad without going through any kind of customs check."

His reference to the potential consequences of the measure is likely due to the fact that New Tribes belongs to the Evangelical Council of Venezuela and could accuse the government of religious persecution.

But it is also an organisation based in the United States, and the Venezuelan and U.S. governments have been caught up in an escalating political and diplomatic confrontation for the last two years.

What's more, in August, U.S. televangelist Pat Robertson publicly called for the Venezuelan leader's assassination, and last Sunday accused Chávez of providing funding to Osama bin Laden, leader of the Al Qaida terrorist network.

Chávez stressed that "we are not going to run roughshod over anyone, we will give New Tribes time to pack up their things and go."

Although Luzardo believes the measure is a positive one, he added that "just today there were new indigenous protests, because Chávez is opening up indigenous lands to coal mining (in northwestern Venezuela) by other ‘new tribes', this time from Brazil," an allusion to joint ventures formed for this purpose by Venezuelan and Brazilian companies, whose activities are scheduled to begin next year.
 

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Chavez has a right to ask those people to leave. It's HIS COUNTRY. He's in charge. He can ask them to leave if he wants. And as for "lies" I find HIM a lot more credible then American neoconservative spin doctoring.
 

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ya Chavez has the right to do whatever he wants ....... we just saying that if hes lying and has commited human rights violations people should think before jumping on his shitboat....
 

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Hank C Cheyenne said:
ya Chavez has the right to do whatever he wants ....... we just saying that if hes lying and has commited human rights violations people should think before jumping on his shitboat....


and how is that different from the bushman?? Seems bush does exactly as HE wants.......and obviously LIES to do it......including KILLING people in a far off nation in order to rape it of its resources and establish a powerhold in the ME. When Chavez invades the US on false pretenses........


it is laughable listening to bush supporters call other leaders liers. What a joke they can be.. :roll:
 

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And as for "lies" I find HIM a lot more credible then American neoconservative spin doctoring


indeed. Heck......Bigfoot has more credibility than the bushcon regime. It is amazing that anyone bothers to listen to the bushman anymore.........