EU and Canadian militaries lag behind US and UK militaries

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Britain is the only country in Europe with a decent and strong military.

France, Germany and the rest are falling behind the US and the UK militarily.


It's now becoming more and more obvious that "European Armies" are just the extension of their socialist agenda. Statistics show that most European nations, notably, France and Germany, spend more money on their personnel rather than vital military equipment. Thus the Army has just turned into another socialist employment scheme of people, who are otherwise unemployable. Neither France nor Germany or for that matter any European nation, except Great Britain, has the capacity to defend itself when attacked.

France and Germany should really stop pretending they are world powers. Neither of them can fight a division of French soldiers for their lives. Bruce Bartlett 2003.


capmag.com . . .

When it came down to it, two of America's closest Cold War allies -- France and Germany -- were unwilling to bear the responsibility of major powers when it came to Iraq. They weren't there when we -- and the world -- needed them. Instead, they carped, complained, delayed and even sabotaged efforts by the United States to make the fight in Iraq a united front. Rather than prevent war, they made it impossible to avoid. Had France and Germany joined a united Europe and United States in confronting Saddam Hussein, it is very likely that the crisis in Iraq would have been resolved peacefully.

American opinion is divided on whether France and Germany's failure of will is the result of cowardice or just fecklessness. I am inclined toward the latter. I think the truth is that neither country has the means any longer to wage a serious military campaign and were too proud to admit it. Rather than exhibit their weakness for the entire world to see, they pretended that their objection to military action in Iraq was based on some ill-defined principle. But I don't think they could have done much of anything militarily in Iraq even if they had stood with us shoulder-to-shoulder.

The sad truth is that France, which once conquered most of Europe under Napoleon, and Germany, whose military prowess in World War II was monumental, have become military weaklings. Neither could fight their way out of a paper bag today.

The reason is that the welfare state has severely weakened both France and Germany to the point where their armed forces are just extensions of it. Their armies, navies and air forces exist not to fight, but to provide jobs with lifetime security for the otherwise unemployable. Moreover, the welfare state -- and the high taxes that go with it -- have so weakened them economically and technologically that they couldn't afford a 21st century military even if it were a matter of national survival.

According to a recent report from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, last year the United States spent 3.3 percent of its gross domestic product on national defense, while France spent 2.5 percent and Germany spent just 1.5 percent. At first glance, the difference may not seem that great, but the United States spends much more of its defense budget on weaponry and equipment, while France and Germany spend most of theirs on personnel. According to NATO, France and Germany spend over 60 percent of their defense budgets on pay and benefits, while the United States spends only 34.7 percent. The United States also spends 24.9 percent of its defense budget on equipment, while France and Germany spend just 19.6 percent and 12.2 percent, respectively.

Composition of Defense Outlays, 2002 (percent) How European nations lag behind US and UK

Country Personnel Equipment
Italy .......71.9.......... 13.3
Belgium .....70.7...... 8.1
Spain .....65.0 ..........13.7
France 60.3............. 19.6
Germany 60.2.......... 12.2
Canada 43.5............ 13.3
U.K. 39.3................ 24.2
U.S. 34.7................ 24.9


Source: NATO

According to a February 13 Wall Street Journal report, no nation in Europe has a military that can be depended upon in time of war. "Europe's military muscle has grown soft," it states. Its troops are poorly equipped and poorly trained. Europe's technology is old and obsolete, and there is no money to upgrade it because its troops are too highly paid and enjoy lavish benefits. Indeed, many are unionized and routinely go on strike for such things as increased vacations. Like most workers in Europe, soldiers cannot be fired for incompetence and essentially have jobs for life.

According to a March 18 report in The New York Times, Germany's once powerful army has become a "basket case." It is "one of the worst military laggards" in NATO, it says. Germany's budget for equipment is so small that it had to lease old planes from Ukraine [!!!] just to send a few troops to Afghanistan to help out with peacekeeping last year. It spends $1 billion per year on maintaining its aging fleet of trucks, but spends just $40 million buying new ones.

The same is true throughout Europe. Indeed, a spokesman for Belgium's defense ministry even admitted that its armed forces are a joke. "I'm not sure that the mission of the Belgian military is to fight," he said. Not surprisingly, Belgium strongly supported France's efforts to block military action in Iraq.

While Europe's military has grown soft and weak since the collapse of communism, the United States has continued to upgrade and modernize its forces. We have the best-trained, best-equipped and best-led military on earth. Our military is so strong and so powerful it is frightening. I think that is a key reason why the Germans and French opposed us. They cannot compete, and they know it.

If France and Germany want to be fat and lazy welfare states, that is their choice. But if so, they should have the decency to resign from the world stage and not pretend to be major powers any longer.

About the Author: Bruce Bartlett is a Senior Fellow with the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA).
 

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Is this an endorsement of developing even MORE military buildup on this planet??? When will it ever end??? How much is enough?? and how much is overkill?? When will the focus change from "military" build up and presenting a face of "military strength" to something more peaceful???
 

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I'm not agreeing with it if I gave you that impression. I think humanity needs to wipe itself out at least once before it learns its lesson, or come very close to it.
 

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Interesting that one should equate "world power" with military rather than moral strength. And that accumulating military power is praiseworthy whereas reducing armaments, and thus tension in the world, is worthy of ridicule.

Scary indeed.
 

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Machjo said:
Interesting that one should equate "world power" with military rather than moral strength. And that accumulating military power is praiseworthy whereas reducing armaments, and thus tension in the world, is worthy of ridicule.

Scary indeed.

Moral strength has never stopped genocides or the likes of Hitler.
 

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I fully agree that in this world, military power is necessary. The point I was trying to make, however, is that if a few bombs will suffice, why would you want to waste yourmoney on a whole arsenal. The US has more than enough bombs to nuke the world a few times over. Now you tell me, when will it ever need so many nukes? The French, Germans, and other European powers have managed to build friendly relations with one another over the years. So while individual military forces might not be particularly powerful, their combined strength is enough to defend themselves against any realistic agressor today.
 

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I think not said:
Machjo said:
Interesting that one should equate "world power" with military rather than moral strength. And that accumulating military power is praiseworthy whereas reducing armaments, and thus tension in the world, is worthy of ridicule.

Scary indeed.

Moral strength has never stopped genocides or the likes of Hitler.

moral strengths are not having much influence on the likes of the bush warmongers either. IMHO.......killing thousands of Iraqis in an unnec invasion is genocide. .....no matter what spin the US puts on it.

How much military might do Sweden/Switzerland have for eg??? Would the bush goons attack them??
 

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Machjo said:
Interesting that one should equate "world power" with military rather than moral strength. And that accumulating military power is praiseworthy whereas reducing armaments, and thus tension in the world, is worthy of ridicule.
Scary indeed.

Very well said. Canada doesn't need to tool up to fight this 'imminent' threat' (exactly who). We will do much more productive work by showing moral authority. Let the Americans run around the world first creting dectators and then overthrowing their creations.

Exactly who is threatening Canada? We need to spend billions on submarines to fight suicide bombers? Billions on fighter jets to help police the streets of Kabul?
 

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Machjo said:
I fully agree that in this world, military power is necessary. The point I was trying to make, however, is that if a few bombs will suffice, why would you want to waste yourmoney on a whole arsenal. The US has more than enough bombs to nuke the world a few times over. Now you tell me, when will it ever need so many nukes? The French, Germans, and other European powers have managed to build friendly relations with one another over the years. So while individual military forces might not be particularly powerful, their combined strength is enough to defend themselves against any realistic agressor today.

good points. building better relationships is where the focus should be. Along with that evaluating who is the biggest aggressor on this planet at the moment. Seems the US image /power relies on braun not brains.
 

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I think not said:
Well I suppose appeasement is always an alternate solution

not an either or situation. And furthermore.......if "appeasement" prevents further horrors of war........why not diplomatically work out an effective "appeasement"??----or compromise.?? It is the US that has given "appeasement" a certain image now.......a catch phrase...... as if that is the only narrow minded view of alternatives.
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
I think not said:
Well I suppose appeasement is always an alternate solution

not an either or situation. And furthermore.......if "appeasement" prevents further horrors of war........why not diplomatically work out an effective "appeasement"??----or compromise.?? It is the US that has given "appeasement" a certain image now.......a catch phrase...... as if that is the only narrow minded view of alternatives.

Actually appeasement is a nuisance word for the leftists, because it "morals down" their moral superiority. Interesting innit?
 

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stratochief said:
Machjo said:
Interesting that one should equate "world power" with military rather than moral strength. And that accumulating military power is praiseworthy whereas reducing armaments, and thus tension in the world, is worthy of ridicule.
Scary indeed.

Very well said. Canada doesn't need to tool up to fight this 'imminent' threat' (exactly who). We will do much more productive work by showing moral authority. Let the Americans run around the world first creting dectators and then overthrowing their creations.

Exactly who is threatening Canada? We need to spend billions on submarines to fight suicide bombers? Billions on fighter jets to help police the streets of Kabul?



again.......the focus should be on establishing and maintaining constructive working relationships and get out of the "threat" mode of thinking. a nation with positive relationships in the world is not a threat ,and therefore cannot be as easily threatened. The idea is to minimize the incentive for anyone to be a 'threat"
 

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Actually appeasement is a nuisance word for the leftists,


appeasement is a nuisance word . Period.
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
Actually appeasement is a nuisance word for the leftists,


appeasement is a nuisance word . Period.

Because it applies to inactive superior morality. As long as "they" are over "there" doing what "they" do as far away from "us" as possible, its acceptable and tolerable. Meanwhile "we" can sit comfy behind a monitor passing judgements on "those" who do more than criticise.

Bummer I tell ya