So the USA in Iraq is illegal huh?

USA#1

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Curious forum you have here. I grew up in Detroit, MI-USA which is across the river from Windsor, ON. I’ve spent a lot more time in your country than most of you probably have in mine. I’ve found most of the folks there to be kind, nice, reasonable people. Some of you all on this forum, not so much.

Since many of you see fit to generally condemn, criticize and otherwise insult my President and my country in broad strokes and without the pretense of any sense of honest and intellectual debate, I feel a few salient points need to be made here.

With the exception of Canada Dry ginger ale, the Macintosh apple, hockey, and proof that socialized medicine doesn’t work so well, exactly what has Canada done for the world?

I don’t exactly recall seeing Canada anywhere when the Berlin wall came down or the fall of the communist Soviet Union.

The United States of America, for you uniformed people, is the only country in the world with a constitution written by people who believed human beings are entitled to certain inalienable rights. Namely life, liberty and property. Your own Fathers of Confederation blessed your government with the right to unlimited taxation of its citizens.

You claim our actions in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere are “illegal“ and that we have started “illegal wars.”

First, you should know that most Americans don’t give a rip what the world thinks, despite what you may see in the media. 59 million Americans gave George W. Bush his mandate in our last election.

Although apparently deposing 2 bit dictators who have oppressed and slaughtered thousands if not millions of their own people isn’t a worthy enough goal for some of you. So if you consider our actions in Iraq and elsewhere, illegal, it scares me to consider exactly what you think should be “legal.”

12 million Iraqi’s gave the world “the finger” when they held up ink-stained hands indicating they had voted--many for the first time in their lives. Since when is freedom not a worthy goal? We helped save the world twice in a century, both times because of arrogant euro-trash that doesn’t get it. A commonly held belief among many of my countrymen, is that next time, we should mind our own business.

The almighty United Nations was a U.S. invention (as was the League of Nations before it.) That doesn’t mean the U.S. is going to listen to dictators and pathetic nations that don’t or won’t stand up in the world for freedom and democracy. You can believe Iraq is all about oil, if that‘s what it takes to get you through your day. Although we haven’t had any Iraq oil for a long time and the U.S. economy is moving along quite nicely, thank you very much.

The reason for unwavering U.S. support of Israel is that Israel is (was) the lone democracy in the region. Iraq is a wake up call to the rest of the middle east. Like it or not, life for all those regimes is going to change. Containment is no longer an option.

And yet, when pond scum Muslim extremists kill 3,000 innocent Canadians, you may be able to assert the moral high ground. Until then, try to remember that when terrorists hit my country again.

Also try to remember that you don’t have to expend a whole lot of money on military defense, since you get to be the unintended beneficiary of ours. (As if the U.S. would let Canada be invaded.)

Who will Taiwan turn to for protection from China? Canada or the U.S. You have how many aircraft carriers, again? Oh yeah, none.

Contrary to popular belief, we don’t have any desire to rule the world. Personally, I’d prefer it if my country would stop giving money to thankless, irrelevant nations that stab us in the back at every turn and then expect a handout afterwards.

Hey, here’s a concept. The day the U.S. has to move Canada out of the way to help out somewhere in the world will be a good day for the world, indeed.

Perhaps Canada could do something about the slaughter of innocent people taking place in the Sudan?

Dictators can commit wholesale genocide and apparently that’s way cool with some of you. If the U.S. does anything about it, suddenly that’s “illegal.”

Perhaps Canada could address the proliferation of nuclear weapons with China, North Korea or Iran?

Oh yeah, that’s right. Neither China, North Korea or Iran fears Canada or any of the Euro-trash, who, rather than actually doing anything about anything, prefer to thump their collective chests at the U.N. and criticize the U.S.

This of course makes them look exactly as they are, petulant children who whine because the “big kids” won’t listen or play with them.

Or you can be as spineless as Spain and just cut-and-run the first time things get rough. Yes, you certainly have to respect a country that let’s itself be bullied by fanatic thugs and murderers following 7th century Muslim dogma.

In the meantime, if U.S. policies and actions are so repugnant to your sensibilities, please feel free to stop buying and using all American products. For example, the internet technology that you are using now, or the windows based operating system or apple computers, our cars and anything else made or developed in the U.S.A. You won’t hurt our feelings in the least and God knows we wouldn’t want you to be a hypocrit.

In any event, my intent is not to claim any moral superiority here. Yet you may consider that it’s real easy to criticize your friends to the south when you don’t have any skin in the game.

To that end, it would seem to me that you (and perhaps the rest of the world) should either put up or shut up.
 

Ten Packs

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First, you should know that most Americans don’t give a rip what the world thinks, despite what you may see in the media.
That's been abundantly clear for, oh.... let's see now - a little over four years??? :roll:

With the exception of Canada Dry ginger ale, the Macintosh apple, hockey, and proof that socialized medicine doesn’t work so well, exactly what has Canada done for the world?

http://www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/things/

http://www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/people/


And then there's the little matter of marching down to Washington DC and setting fire to your Capitol Building and the White House, in the war of 1812
- sorry, we always felt a bit bad about that! :lol: :lol: :roll: :lol: :lol:


Something a bit familiar about the writing style here.... hmmm
 

Lithp

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Hello and welcome to the forums. I too here am a newbie. While I appreciate my American brothers and sisters to the south. You sir, are clearly barren of any grey matter.If you don't know what that is (and I suspect you don't you can always use Google).
Anyway,

1. Don't flatter yourself...you, just like us, are decendants from Britain, France, Spain, Germany, etc. Hate to burst your bubble dude but you are not a super race. You are a spin off.
2. neither america nor any other country can impose what they think is freedom on any other country.Including Iraq.
3. Don't fool yourself. America is a bully. Let me see them try to "liberate" China and imose American freedom. The US would get squashed. Same goes for North Korea. Don't get me wrong, the american army is powerful. But the american people would not tolerate the enormous nose bleed these two countries would give ya.
4. The fact that you are ignorant of Canada's contribution to the world does not surprise me.
5. The fall of communism in the Russia and the wall in Berlin had very little to do with US values or influence.
6. The credibility of the US is in tatters. You rule by fear not by respect. Canada's credibilty greatly exceeds your tarnished image.(I refer to government and policies and not the good citizens of the USA). Why do you think American's wear Canada flags on their back packs when they travel Europe and Asia?
7. Have you figured out the grey matter yet?
 

LadyC

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The oh-so-subtly-named USA#1 said:
The United States of America, for you uniformed people, is the only country in the world with a constitution written by people who believed human beings are entitled to certain inalienable rights. Namely life, liberty and property.
The Magna Carta is no US Constitution, but it's a pretty nifty little bit of writing all the same.

But... we wear uniforms? I hate when I miss the memos. :?

Sure the U.S. got rid of lots of tin-pot dictators in its time. I wonder how they all attained power in the first place?
One of life's little mysteries that's *alas* doomed to remain unanswered.
 

Ten Packs

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The oh-so-subtly-named USA#1 said:
The United States of America, for you uniformed people, is the only country in the world with a constitution written by people who believed human beings are entitled to certain inalienable rights. Namely life, liberty and property.

Section 2 of the Canadian Constitution:

Fundamental freedoms

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.

So who friggin' uninformed NOW.....?


I'm happy to have discussions with our American friends but remember - it's a kinda like the old American Express ads:

"Your brain - Don't leave home without it."
 

Ten Packs

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In the meantime, if U.S. policies and actions are so repugnant to your sensibilities, please feel free to stop buying and using all American products. For example, the internet technology that you are using now, or the windows based operating system or apple computers, our cars and anything else made or developed in the U.S.A.

Yes, and if you get in a snit, please feel free to stop using Canada as your number ONE foreign source for, oh... little things like:

- OIL
- NATURAL GAS
- ELECTRICITY
- FRESH WATER
- LUMBER
- GRAIN
- MEAT
- FRUIT
and on and on......
 

Reverend Blair

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Since many of you see fit to generally condemn, criticize and otherwise insult my President and my country in broad strokes and without the pretense of any sense of honest and intellectual debate, I feel a few salient points need to be made here.

If you don't like being criticized, then quit doing things we are critical of. Your president and his supporters (and that appears to apply to you) are the ones that are stifling honest and intellectual debate.

With the exception of Canada Dry ginger ale, the Macintosh apple, hockey, and proof that socialized medicine doesn’t work so well, exactly what has Canada done for the world?

I could make a list, but just asking the question shows you to be a miscreant troll with a tiny brain and a penis so tiny that he can't succesfully masurbate.

I don’t exactly recall seeing Canada anywhere when the Berlin wall came down or the fall of the communist Soviet Union.

You must have been drunk, or blinded by Jingoistic fever.

The United States of America, for you uniformed people, is the only country in the world with a constitution written by people who believed human beings are entitled to certain inalienable rights.

I've never been uniformed, being a bit of a non-conformist and all, but I'd lay down a chunk of cash that I know more about your constitution and your founding fathers than you do. I agree with them, too. It makes me all the more sad when I see how you bastards twist their legacy.



You claim our actions in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere are “illegal“ and that we have started “illegal wars.”

Because you have. If you don't want to be called on it, maybe you shouldn't do it. Just a thought.

First, you should know that most Americans don’t give a rip what the world thinks,

So you admit to being boorish miscreant pig-f***er then?

despite what you may see in the media. 59 million Americans gave George W. Bush his mandate in our last election.

That's 19.6666666666666666666666666666666666666666% of the populataion. Have fun with that...poor people will slit your throat eventually.

Although apparently deposing 2 bit dictators who have oppressed and slaughtered thousands if not millions of their own people isn’t a worthy enough goal for some of you. So if you consider our actions in Iraq and elsewhere, illegal, it scares me to consider exactly what you think should be “legal.”

Some of those 2 bit dictators have been democratically elected. You've deposed them (murdered them, actually) so that your own brutal dictators can run things.

We helped save the world twice in a century, both times because of arrogant euro-trash that doesn’t get it.

You were dragged in kicking and screaming both times. The second time there was a lot of talk of you backing the fascist dictator. Do you even have schools down there?


A commonly held belief among many of my countrymen, is that next time, we should mind our own business.

A commonly held belief in most of the world is that it's about f**king time you just went home. We're tired of picking up the bodies when you're done minding your business.

The almighty United Nations was a U.S. invention

Yup. Back when you had a soul instead of an insatiable greed.

That doesn’t mean the U.S. is going to listen to dictators and pathetic nations that don’t or won’t stand up in the world for freedom and democracy.

When the hell did the US ever have anything to do with freedom and democracy? Really, enough of your jingoistic lies. Tell the fu**ing truth for once. You wanna play? Let's do it.

You can believe Iraq is all about oil, if that‘s what it takes to get you through your day.

That's what PNAC says, and since they control the government....

Although we haven’t had any Iraq oil for a long time and the U.S. economy is moving along quite nicely, thank you very much.

Your economy is a basket case at the mercy of some of your worst enemies. Are you completely illiterate?

The reason for unwavering U.S. support of Israel is that Israel is (was) the lone democracy in the region.

No, the reason for the US support for Israel is Revelations.

Iraq is a wake up call to the rest of the middle east. Like it or not, life for all those regimes is going to change. Containment is no longer an option.

Yeah, like you can fight that war. How do you spell quagmire?

The rest of your post is such ridiculous crap that it wouldn't even flow from Georgie's mouth.

You are an embarrassment to real Americans everywhere, USA#2. I'd like to take this opportunity to remind people that not all Americans are one-eyed pig-f**kers with no balls and penises so small that when they rape squirrels there is no forensic evidence.
 

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USA#1 said:
First, you should know that most Americans don’t give a rip what the world thinks, despite what you may see in the media.

Is this why you started this diatribe on Canadian forum? :roll:
 

USA#1

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First: I was hoping for some intelligent discourse but lamentably there appears to be no sign of intelligent life, here. Only an echo room for you liberal types whose basic argument seems to be if I wasn't so dumb I and the rest of my ilk would "get it." (Note to self: give back doctorate and demand refund.)

Second: Apparently, since my last visit to your fair country, it became acceptable to be rude and insulting to someone you don't know and never met. Mommy and daddy must be so proud.

Third: Not that I don't like a good fight but I do have better things to do with my time than deal with smug, arrogant, assholes feigning faux intellectual enlightenment.

Thanks for the memories boys and girls...
 

Andem

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I don’t exactly recall seeing Canada anywhere when the Berlin wall came down or the fall of the communist Soviet Union.

The United States of America, for you uniformed people, is the only country in the world with a constitution written by people who believed human beings are entitled to certain inalienable rights. Namely life, liberty and property. Your own Fathers of Confederation blessed your government with the right to unlimited taxation of its citizens.

Actually the fall of the Berlin wall was a mistake. A mistake on behalf of Egon Krenz, the then temporary leader of die Sozialistische Einheitspartei Deutschlands, the socialist party which ruled the former Deutsche Demokratische Republik. After the forced resignation of Erich Honnecker, a Krenz minister gave the wrong idea in a news release which opened the unstoppable flooding on the wall after it had been opened.

Your obviously idiotic conceptions just show how ignorant you are.

If you want intelligent discussion, why not actually making an informed post? You're most definately somebody who is familiar with these forums and I bet you've been around for a while, under a different nickname. Stop being a coward and post under the name we all know you by.
 

Extrafire

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I don’t exactly recall seeing Canada anywhere when the Berlin wall came down or the fall of the communist Soviet Union.
I'm embarrassed to say, but many of my countrymen and companions on this forum think that the fall of communism was a bad thing. They would rather have seen the wall stay.

Although apparently deposing 2 bit dictators who have oppressed and slaughtered thousands if not millions of their own people isn’t a worthy enough goal for some of you. So if you consider our actions in Iraq and elsewhere, illegal, it scares me to consider exactly what you think should be “legal.”
Many of them also seem to prefer dictatorship as long as the dictator follows their philosophy.

And yet, when pond scum Muslim extremists kill 3,000 innocent Canadians, you may be able to assert the moral high ground. Until then, try to remember that when terrorists hit my country again
Also, sad to say, but many of them cheered the 911 terrorists.

Also try to remember that you don’t have to expend a whole lot of money on military defense, since you get to be the unintended beneficiary of ours. (As if the U.S. would let Canada be invaded.)
Sad but true. Our amoral former prime minister even said publicly that we don't need strong defences because the Americans would defend us. What hypocrites!

Perhaps Canada could do something about the slaughter of innocent people taking place in the Sudan?

No, the "Canadian" idea is if we are nice and reason with them everyone will stop doing nasty things (except Americans of course) and get along.
Dictators can commit wholesale genocide and apparently that’s way cool with some of you. If the U.S. does anything about it, suddenly that’s “illegal.”
As I said, they like dictators as long as those dictators don't like Americans.
Perhaps Canada could address the proliferation of nuclear weapons with China, North Korea or Iran?
No, they like those guys. They consider them "good guys".
Or you can be as spineless as Spain and just cut-and-run the first time things get rough. Yes, you certainly have to respect a country that let’s itself be bullied by fanatic thugs and murderers following 7th century Muslim dogma.
Yup, cut and run is exactly what they'll do.

To that end, it would seem to me that you (and perhaps the rest of the world) should either put up or shut up.
They should but they won't. Some of my fellow Canadians embarass me. We aren't all like that.
 

USA#1

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RE: So the USA in Iraq is

Extrafire,

To you at least, allow me to formally apologize. Both for my behavior & if I insulted you.

I know Canadians "aren't all like that." Assholes transcend borders. In retrospect I could have been less "in-your-face," but down here, that's us. I'll admit to being a "dumb American"--my doctorate not withstanding. ;-)

As I said, I've spent a lot of time in your country. Specifically Ontario and BC. Everytime, nice people, great experience, awesome real estate.

Went to law school with a couple guys from ON, also great people.

I was actually going to be childish and run through the responses with some F-U's of my own, before I asked the webmaster to delete my profile.

Then I came across your post and, (ah hem) grew up some. Yet forgive me if I do it before they shut me down. (and no I've never been here before. Was doing research for a column and came across the site.)

I'm a lawyer, college professor and published columnist. This site alone could give me 6 months of material... ;-)

May even turn some of our democrats into republicans...

My editor is a liberal freak yet he and I manage to agree on much. But then we've both broken bread and spirits on occasion.

Anyway, I do wish you the best. :)
 

Jo Canadian

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I'm a lawyer, college professor and published columnist. This site alone could give me 6 months of material

It is good that you have references such as those to stand by with to discuss matters, but being smarter cannot really stop you though if you want to believe in something bad enough. You can justify anything that your administration has done if you find enough dots to connect, and you can. It's just a matter of turning a blind eye to everything else used to motivate and achieve the goals your current gov't strives for.

The gift of being intelligent is then more like a two edge sword, to wield it correctly though, you must be open minded and ready to question yourself. Not everything is as you may believe it to be so it's very easy to give yourself a veil to see things they way you want to see it.

Right now you're swinging this sword with your eyes closed, as a professor you must be able to see that something will happen to your society, there's no way that the current lifestyle is sustainable. So I can only assume that your views are shown to your students? If you can provide them with enough claptrap that's making you feel better about where you live, then it's no better than pointing the way to the cliff for lemmings. After all they're the ones that are going to be left behind with the mess to clean up, reputation and all.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: So the USA in Iraq is

I'm a lawyer, college professor and published columnist.

First of all, unless you're willing to put your real name and credentials up, then you are just another guy who likely got out of high school. This is the internet.

Second of all, I've never met a lawyer or college professor who makes a hobby out of going to Canadian web-sites and insulting the posters there. Either you war extremely unprofessional or you aren't what you claim to be.
 

Rick van Opbergen

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Extrafire said:
I don’t exactly recall seeing Canada anywhere when the Berlin wall came down or the fall of the communist Soviet Union.
I'm embarrassed to say, but many of my countrymen and companions on this forum think that the fall of communism was a bad thing. They would rather have seen the wall stay. I think most Canadians are well aware of the evil that came from the Communists. You know this is lie. I have heard many Conservatives comment about how easy certain people on the Left compare them to Nazis - and I can understand that, because the Conservatives of today are by far not Nazis. On the other hand, Liberals are not Communists.

Although apparently deposing 2 bit dictators who have oppressed and slaughtered thousands if not millions of their own people isn’t a worthy enough goal for some of you. So if you consider our actions in Iraq and elsewhere, illegal, it scares me to consider exactly what you think should be “legal.”
Many of them also seem to prefer dictatorship as long as the dictator follows their philosophy. When I look at Canada I see a democratic country. When I talk to the Canadians here, I haven't heard one promoting a possible (Liberal) dictatorship. Where do you base your feeling upon, if I may ask? Is it scientific proof or is it something you want to believe?

And yet, when pond scum Muslim extremists kill 3,000 innocent Canadians, you may be able to assert the moral high ground. Until then, try to remember that when terrorists hit my country again
Also, sad to say, but many of them cheered the 911 terrorists. Yes, I think Canadians Liberals like to cheer the death of 3,000 people :roll:

Also try to remember that you don’t have to expend a whole lot of money on military defense, since you get to be the unintended beneficiary of ours. (As if the U.S. would let Canada be invaded.)
Sad but true. Our amoral former prime minister even said publicly that we don't need strong defences because the Americans would defend us. What hypocrites!I'm sure Canada would back the US when they would be invaded.

Perhaps Canada could do something about the slaughter of innocent people taking place in the Sudan?

No, the "Canadian" idea is if we are nice and reason with them everyone will stop doing nasty things (except Americans of course) and get along.Let me remind you that some weeks ago, a UN resolution was formed to bring Darfur war criminals to justice. The resolution wasn't passed though at that time (it was passed a few days ago though), because the US didn't like the fact that the ICC would be the place where these war criminals would face justice. They felt as like it meant that they had to recognize the ICC. Now, eventually, the resolution has been passed, but in a different form, one them being that US citizens who have committed war crimes in Darfur can not be brought to justice at the ICC (not that I think there are any US war criminals in Darfur)
Dictators can commit wholesale genocide and apparently that’s way cool with some of you. If the U.S. does anything about it, suddenly that’s “illegal.”
As I said, they like dictators as long as those dictators don't like Americans.Prove it.
Perhaps Canada could address the proliferation of nuclear weapons with China, North Korea or Iran?
No, they like those guys. They consider them "good guys".Liberal Canadians know darn well that these countries are violating human rights on a massive scale. Grow up, please.
Or you can be as spineless as Spain and just cut-and-run the first time things get rough. Yes, you certainly have to respect a country that let’s itself be bullied by fanatic thugs and murderers following 7th century Muslim dogma.
Yup, cut and run is exactly what they'll do.The decision to remove the Spanish troops from Iraq was already taken by the Social-Democratic Party in Spain before the bombings in Madrid.

To that end, it would seem to me that you (and perhaps the rest of the world) should either put up or shut up.
They should but they won't. Some of my fellow Canadians embarass me. We aren't all like that. They might embarrass you, but as I Dutchman I think they are doing a good job :wink:
 

crit13

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USA#2, You happened to stumble across a leftist forum. That's why you are getting bombarded by hate and profanity. You would likely experience a similar greeting if you posted your post on a Democratic forum.

Secondly, I am thoroughly disgusted by most people on this site. USA made no personal attacks to anyone yet was the recipient of...

just asking the question shows you to be a miscreant troll with a tiny brain and a penis so tiny that he can't succesfully masurbate.

You must have been drunk, or blinded by Jingoistic fever.

It makes me all the more sad when I see how you bastards twist their legacy.

So you admit to being boorish miscreant pig-f***er then?

Have fun with that...poor people will slit your throat eventually.

Do you even have schools down there?

A commonly held belief in most of the world is that it's about f**king time you just went home.

Yup. Back when you had a soul instead of an insatiable greed.

Really, enough of your jingoistic lies. Tell the fu**ing truth for once.

Are you completely illiterate?

The rest of your post is such ridiculous crap that it wouldn't even flow from Georgie's mouth.

You are an embarrassment to real Americans everywhere, USA#2. I'd like to take this opportunity to remind people that not all Americans are one-eyed pig-f**kers with no balls and penises so small that when they rape squirrels there is no forensic evidence.

And that was just from the "moderator". It should be obvious to any non biased individual what's going on here.

Grow up!!