vigilante justice?

[fubbleskag]

is it fair to assume, jay, that you also support vigilante justice in your country?

That depends...

i have mixed feelings on this topic also, but during my walk this morning i was struck by the correlation between vigilante justice in the sense that we've come to understand the term and bush's war against terror.

it does seem to be a necessary thing in many cases, and i think the fact that there is no charges for illegal being sought is fairly indicative of the world's quiet approval of what he's doing.

thoughts?

 

[zenfisher]

I don't see it as so much approving or disapproving ... more as a begrudging sense of futility. There is nothing they could do by force. If they try to boycott US products they end up hurting their own economies. I don't think the world views it as vigilantism so much...more like unbridled misguided aggression.

I think that is why their was such a gasp when W was elected for a second term. Almost disbelief that it could happen. over a third of theeligible American public did not vote. ( This is why it is important to vote) It is easy to point fingers..sure some were just lazy. I think we would see a clearer picture of disenfrachisement. We would also get a real picture of peole working two, three, even four jobs...just to make ends meet. I think, it would make a real interesting survey.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Many of the problems that the US is facing, especially in Iraq, would be absent or lessened had he followed the rule of international law.

Bush's transgressions have not only had a negative effect by undermining his credibility and effectiveness, but have the US in a position where it receives help only grudgingly.

 

[Jay]

If the cold war was still on, we wouldn't be talking about Iraq much at all. It would still be getting all the support it needed from the USSR.

The balance of power is a bit off right now, so we can expect things like this to happen. International law isn't much of a deterrent when you’re the size of the USA, Russia, China, and terrorism is the new enemy.

And after 911, well who cares if we get a little nasty. Security is more important than what the internationals think.


(I’m going to get blasted for this post.)

 

[Reverend Blair]

(I’m going to get blasted for this post.)

Nah, just told that you are, once again, wrong.

 

[no1important]

Security is more important than what the internationals think.

Really. To me America brings its problems on themselves. Maybe if they would learn to Butt out where they are not welcome they would not have to worry about Homeland Security.

Contrary to what "W" thinks the rest of the world does not want American culture, so called morals and so called freedoms forced upon them. The American way is not the only way and it is time the US government understood that.

But with a war criminal as president it ain't going to happen.

 

[serenitynow]

Bush is the antichrist

 

[Reverend Blair]

There's actually an entire site dedicated to that very topic, Serenity. I wish I still had the link, but I'm too lazy to look for it. The guy makes a good case for it though...digs through most of Revelations to prove his point.

I don't believe in the whole religion thing, but it is a cool site. If anybody finds it, post the link...hours of good reading.

 

[Walrus]

If the cold war was still on, we wouldn't be talking about Iraq much at all. It would still be getting all the support it needed from the USSR.

The balance of power is a bit off right now, so we can expect things like this to happen. International law isn't much of a deterrent when you’re the size of the USA, Russia, China, and terrorism is the new enemy.

And after 911, well who cares if we get a little nasty. Security is more important than what the internationals think.


(I’m going to get blasted for this post.)

International law never has been a deterrent to the superpowers, it was established to set up guidelines for the super-powers to abide by so that the littlepowers wouldn't be trampled to pieces. The big problem now is that there is only one superpower and there is nothing to prevent that power from disregarding all the rules except the faith of the little powers in that superpower. Unfortunately actions speak louder than words, the United States has disregarded or withdrawn from so many international agreements that it can no longer be trusted to abide by any rules even if it makes them. The world is a much more dangerous place now because of the loss of that trust.

 

[Walrus]

Re: RE: vigilante justice?

Bush is the antichrist

246,000 hits on Google :twisted:

 

[serenitynow]

Mr. bush, Mr Martin and Mr, Fox are dicsussing retinal and fingerprint scans as a means to cross the borders as we speak.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Mr. Bush, Mr. Martin, and Mr. Fox can kiss my hairy white ass. I'm not getting a retinal scan, I'm not getting an "identity card", and, to quote Mojo Nixon, I ain't gonna piss in no cup.

One needs to live by some sort of standards. Those are some of mine.

 

[Paco]

Re: RE: vigilante justice?

Really. To me America brings its problems on themselves. Maybe if they would learn to Butt out where they are not welcome they would not have to worry about Homeland Security.

Butt out? That is just a weak excuse.

The Muslims hate America for our lapdancing and gay porn. Europeans hate us because we are born again Christians trying to outlaw abortion. The Anti-semites hate us because Jews run the country.

Too Jewish, too Christian, too godless. We can be too isolationist, except when we are too imperialistic. We provide many reasons for the terminally envious to hate us. Clean the bullshit out of the stall and what you really find is envy.

We can buy guns when we want (and we do). 700 channels of cable TV. We buy huge SUV's and when gas prices rise to record levels what do we do? We just fill up again. :lol: We drive our SUV down to the local grocery store and buy gobs of food and end up throwing half of it away because it spoils.

And that's just the working class.

Maybe if the rest of you lazy ass socialist **edited naughty word** went to work, you too could be as spoiled as we are. Then you wouldn't have the time to feel all that envy.

 

[Cosmo]

Re: RE: vigilante justice?

Maybe if the rest of you lazy ass socialist fucks went to work, you too could be as spoiled as we are. Then you wouldn't have the time to feel all that envy.

Paco ... my doctor recently put me onto HRT meds to help mitigate exactly the same kind of attitude you seem to be victim of. Perhaps you can check with your doc and see if there is any equivalent for male menopause??

 

[Reverend Blair]

The Muslims hate you for your foreign policies, Paco. The Europeans distrust you because of your foreign policies. Most of the world just shakes their heads when faced with an American attitude that is both ignorant and arrogant, especially when your president seems prone to tying policy to the bizarre death cult he belongs to.

We can buy guns when we want (and we do). 700 channels of cable TV. We buy huge SUV's and when gas prices rise to record levels what do we do? We just fill up again. Laughing We drive our SUV down to the local grocery store and buy gobs of food and end up throwing half of it away because it spoils.

This is the attitude of spolied rich kid, Paco. It is not the attitude of a responsible adult. Do you think, when you're whining about how everybody hates you, that this pissy attitude might have a lot to do with it?

 

[crit13]

Many of the problems that the US is facing, especially in Iraq, would be absent or lessened had he followed the rule of international law.

If you'd been watching the CBC. They had a segment over the last 2 nights showing that many high ranking UN officials were bought off by Saddam.

A huge portion of the Oil for food program went to UN officials, French politicians and Russian politicians.

Which 2 countries were the most against the war again? Oh yeah.

If the UN is taking bribes from Saddam, there was zero chance for the US to get the backing of the UN.

The truth is slowly leaking out and everything will eventually make sense.

 

[mrmom2]

It is making sense HALLIBURTON,CARLYLE GROUP

 

[crit13]

I guess it would make more sense to you for the US to spend all the money, do all the work, put American lives at risk and then hand out all the contracts to French and Russian companies that watched from the sidelines.

I guess it really does make sense. The same way, I start my own business, struggle like hell for 3 years before I show a profit and now that I'm finally making some decent money, my taxes are paying for you and your friends welfare cheques. I'm the US and your the welfare state of France and Russia.

Do yourself a favour and NEVER open a business.

 

[Reverend Blair]

If you'd been watching the CBC. They had a segment over the last 2 nights showing that many high ranking UN officials were bought off by Saddam.

I have been. I also watched today when the lackey the US sent to hang Kofi had to admit he didn't manage it and was going to have to try again.

Everybody knew the Oil for Food program was corrupt from the beginning. UN officials actually pointed it out to the Security Council, who had complete oversight, including the USA. All anybody was concerned about, including the USA, was weapons of mass destruction and keeping Iraqis fed. Nobody gave a flying f*ck about the corruption until Kofi said that the invasion was illegal, then suddenly the witch hunt began.

The only thing at all surprising was the involvement of Sevan. Annan handled that properly, so it's not on his head.

Perhaps you should learn a little about the UN. They have no real money of their own. They have no army of their own. They have no power of their own. Those all come from the member states.

 

[ElPolaco]

I guess it would make more sense to you for the US to spend all the money, do all the work, put American lives at risk and then hand out all the contracts to French and Russian companies that watched from the sidelines.

I guess it really does make sense. The same way, I start my own business, struggle like hell for 3 years before I show a profit and now that I'm finally making some decent money, my taxes are paying for you and your friends welfare cheques. I'm the US and your the welfare state of France and Russia.

Do yourself a favour and NEVER open a business.

It would be more like a friend of yours destroying a town and giving you the right to open up the only building supply store in that same town and be the only building contractor. Why, gee, that would make you a welfare recipient. Hmm