Islamic extremists target Dutch red light district

[Paco]

Pizza courier 'targeted' Amsterdam sex zone


10 December 2004

AMSTERDAM — Justice authorities arrested a Moroccan man last month after receiving a tip-off that Islamic extremists were allegedly planning an attack on the Red Light District in Amsterdam, it was reported on Friday.

The pizza-delivery courier allegedly conducted reconnaissance of the capital's prostitution zone while riding through the area during work hours on his scooter. He was arrested on 5 November. Newspaper De Telegraaf described him as a "radical Moroccan pizza deliverer".

The National Detectives Unit was alerted to the supposed attack plan by three anonymous emails, the first of which was received on 14 September. Emails dated 27
September and 11 October gave further details of the suspects and addresses.

The emails warned that "terrorists in Amsterdam East" were plotting an attack on the Wallen area in Amsterdam, De Telegraaf reported. Muslim extremists, the paper said, were allegedly furious at the lack of morals in the prostitution zone.

Justice authorities took the tips very seriously and arrested the pizza deliverer at the Nasr mosque in the Celebesstraat in Amsterdam East. The man has been identified as a 20-year-old Amsterdam resident of Moroccan descent, Bilal L., alias Abu Qataadah.

L. was allegedly in contact with Syrian Redouan al-Issa, the fugitive leader of the terror network Hofstadgroep (Main City Group). The Syrian was an illegal immigrant in the Netherlands and gave Koran lessons in the home of Mohammed B., the suspected murderer of filmmaker Theo van Gogh. B. is also a member of the Main City Group.

The emails claimed the Syrian was involved in the plans to attack the Red Light District, while another target was the Dutch Parliament in The Hague. L. is alleged to have bought equipment needed to carry out the attack.

It is possible that L. was in contact with Jason W., one of the two suspects arrested in a stand-off with police in The Hague on 10 November. The detective unit involved in the investigation claims the group around L. regularly met at the Aboe Bakr mosque in Almere.

L. is also reportedly being held for threatening right-wing independent MP Geert Wilders. The MP's life has been repeatedly threatened because of his trenchant critisism of Islam.

The Main City Group — which mainly consists of Muslims of North African descent — has been kept under surveillance by the Dutch intelligence service AIVD since the summer of 2002.

Samir A. — who is being held on suspicion he was planning an attack against Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam, the Dutch Parliament and the Defence Ministry — is also a member of the group. He is believed to be in contact with the suspected killer of Van Gogh.

 

[moghrabi]

Where is the link to this story? I could not find it anywhere on the net. Can you please put references to your postings?

Yes it is Islamophobia. You are struggling Paco to undermine your opponent by posting junk and targeting one religion in one day.

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

Paco is not lieing - here's the (Dutch) link to De Telegraaf (The Telegraph). Although I do have to say that this was hardly news here in the Netherlands - actually, I hadn't heard of it until I read this thread.

LINK

 

[moghrabi]

I never said he is lying. He posted 3 anti-islamic posts in one setting. If this in not struggling to undermine his opponent, I don't know what you call it.

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

My misunderstanding. I thought that your second paragraph in your post referred to the first one.

 

[moghrabi]

No problem.

 

[Paco]

Re: RE: Islamic extremists target Dutch red light district

I never said he is lying. He posted 3 anti-islamic posts in one setting. If this in not struggling to undermine his opponent, I don't know what you call it.

Who's struggling? You post three anti-American every day, then attack me for what I post?

They were simply news articles. I brought them up for discussion.

So why have you attacked me?

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

I do have to say Paco has a certain point here. Where you accuse Paco of focusing on Muslims and Islam in his posts (in a negative way), he can claim you focus to much on America (in a negative way).

 

[moghrabi]

Yes. But there is a lot to focus on when it comes to the crimes the US is commiting. LOL

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

Yes. But there is a lot to focus on when it comes to the crimes the US is commiting. LOL

And Paco has the idea that there is a lot to focus on on whatever he focusses on. Isn't that the same?

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Holy Jeez!

I must post 20 Anti-American posts a day.

I read the article that Paco posted, and I found it interesting.
It was free!
The only reason I never commented on it was because I'm not familiar with the subject matter.

Yesterday, I was zooming around the net viewing news and current events. I must of posted about 15 links to stories which I thought might be of interest to others who come here to these forums to read stuff. 90% of my posts mock the American way of life.
I always collect stuff for my database, and when I run across something that perks my interest, I immediately come here and post it. I'm not trying to show-off. Every post here contributes to the success of these forums.

Here is a story I found during my net-travels yesterday which deals with this subject matter.
I don't have a link to the story because it was e-mailed to me.

Exodus as Dutch middle class seek new life
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
December 04, 2004

For years Holland was celebrated as a symbol of racial tolerance. But
two high-profile murders have changed all that, reports Ambrose
Evans-Pritchard

Escaping the stress of clogged roads, street violence and loss of
faith in Holland's once celebrated way of life, the Dutch middle
classes are leaving the country in droves for the first time in living
memory.

The new wave of educated migrants are quietly voting with their feet
against a multicultural experiment long touted as a model for the
world, but increasingly a warning of how good intentions can go wrong.

Australia, Canada and New Zealand are the pin-up countries for those
craving the great outdoors and old-fashioned civility.

The illusion that all was well in the Netherlands died in May 2002
when Pim Fortuyn, the shaven-headed, gay populist, was shot by a
Left-wing activist in the country's first political assassination
since 1584.

Fulminating home truths than nobody else dared utter, Fortuyn swept on
to the political stage protesting that Europe's most densely-populated
country was full to bursting point, and that Muslim immigration,
leavened with Salafist extremism, had reached a level where it was
starting to destabilise Dutch society itself. His movement won more
seats than the ruling Labour party in the 2002 elections.

Theo van Gogh, his friend and disciple, was next. The mischievous
film-maker had his throat cut by an Islamic fanatic last month as he
bicycled to work through the heart of Amsterdam, punished for a film
about repression of women in the Muslim world.

A shrill provocateur, Mr van Gogh was not to everybody's taste. He
once filmed kittens being mangled to death in a washing machine, which
he thought was hilarious.

But his ritual execution, apparently by an Islamist hit squad, has
shocked the country. Two leading MPs known to be targets are in
hiding. The political class has been chilled to the bone, while white
gangs have firebombed or attacked around 20 mosques and Islamic
centres. "This was our 9/11. It was the moment the Netherlands lost
its naivety. We always thought that we were the country of
multicultural tolerance that could do no wrong," said Prof Han
Entzinger of Rotterdam University.

Frans Buysse, the head of Buysse Immigration Consultancy, said he
received more than 13,000 hits on his emigration website in November,
four times the usual level. His office in Culemburg is flooded with
fresh applications.

"Van Gogh's death was a confirmation for them of what they already
sensed was happening," he said. "They're accountants, teachers,
nurses, businessmen and bricklayers, from all walks of life. They see
things going on every day in this country that are quite unbelievable.
They see no clear message from the government, and they are afraid
it's becoming irreversible, that's why they are leaving."

The tales range from exhaustion with Holland's epidemic of road rage
incidents, to fears that it is no longer safe to go shopping.

"Van Gogh was a very public victim, but there are unknown victims on
streets all the time. It's the living climate that is deteriorating.
There are too many people on this one small spot of land,'' said Mr
Buysse.

More people left the Netherlands in 2003 than arrived, ending a
half-century cycle of surging immigration that has turned a tight-knit
Nordic tribe into a multi-ethnic mosaic with three million people of
foreign roots out of 16 million. Almost one million are Muslims,
mostly Turks and Moroccan-Berbers. In Rotterdam, 47 per cent of the
city's population is of foreign origin. While asylum claims have
plunged, the exodus is accelerating, reaching 13,313 net outflow in
the first half of 2004. Many retiring workers are moving to the south
of France, but a growing bloc leaving the country appears to be
educated, working families.

Peter and Ellen Bles have applied for visas to Australia after falling
in love with the country during a trip there three years ago.

"People are so relaxed and open to each other there. As soon as we got
home I just wanted to pack up our bags and leave," said Peter, 41, a
computer operations manager for ING bank.

He was weary of the daily battles, short tempers, and coarsening
manners at home. "When you want to park your car here it's almost
warfare. We go to the supermarket at 8am just to avoid having to
fight," he said.

A "for sale" sign stands outside their clean, airy house in Sprang
Capelle, a three-hour round-trip from Amsterdam.

House prices are one third of costs in Perth, where they plan to go,
but they have no jobs lined up. "We've no idea at all what we're going
to do," he said.

Ellen, 43, a lawyer and banker who votes for the free-market Liberals,
said the code of behaviour regulating daily life in the Netherlands
was breaking down.

"People no longer know what to expect from each other. There are so
many rules, but nobody sticks to them. They just do as they want. They
just execute people on the streets, it's shocking when you see this
for the first time," she said. "We've become so tolerant that
everybody thinks they can fight their own wars here. Van Gogh is
killed, and then people throw bombs at mosques and churches. It's
escalating because the police and the state aren't doing anything
about it.

"There's a feeling of injustice that if you do things right, if you
work hard and pay your taxes, you're punished, and those who don't are
rewarded. People can come and live here illegally and get payments.
How is that possible?

"We didn't think about how we should integrate people, to make sure
that we actually talk to each other and know each other, instead of
living in ghettoes with different rules.

"It's not why we are leaving: the reason is that Australia feels
different, it feels like a place where we would like to grow old," she
said.

Rob Platje, 34, a sales agent in Arnhem, is leaving in February to
live in the Canadian Rockies with his partner and infant son.

"In Canada people have the space to get along with each other without
stress. When I'm here in traffic, I'm terrible. I'm no better than
anybody else. I lose my temper in the car, and I just hate myself for
it," he said.

"What I see here in the Netherlands is that people are becoming more
frightened. A lot of things have been going on over the last two
years. They don't know if they can trust their neighbours.

"We hid the problem for a long time because we didn't want to face up
to the truth of what was happening," he said.

Unlike most earlier waves of migration to the new world, this one is
not driven by penury. The Netherlands has a per capita income higher
than Germany or Britain, and 4.7 per cent unemployment.

"None of my clients is leaving for economic reasons. You can't get a
visa anyway if you haven't got a work record," said Frans Buysse.

Europe's leader for much of the last century in social experiments,
Holland may now be pointing to the next cultural revolution: bourgeois
exodus.