Afghanistan campaign

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The campaign in Afghanistan has been popular in Canada for Canada in helping the United States' war on terrorism. Knowing our current situation, will we be going to war with the other countries on bush's list?

I think we will. That means we need to militarize our country. Buying more mobilization equipment and having a stabilized military.

Does this mean we will finally build a military?
 

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Bush has started a world war. Yes there will be more wars. Yes Canada will follow the states, cuz thats what we have always done. Canada doesnt need a huge military because we are not some huge world leader in world domination (like the states and Iraq) Canada is more primaraly invovled in Peace Keeping duties, UN and such.

We will always help the states, for we are allied with them. Monkey see, monkey do...If the states jumps off a bridge, Canada and half the world will prolly follow suit.
 

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If Bush does infact start a world war (chances are pretty good that he could), Canada's military would be so lackluster it wouldnt even be funny.

We'd be scrambling to train more troops, the government would finally give a boost to that lame thing we call our Defense budget, and maybe just maybe we would have a military that could defend against someone shooting waterbombs across the border.

I know thats a large exageration, but Canada as a military power? If a world war broke out, we'd probably see the government encouraging people to draft, and if that didnt work, then the government would bring in a forced draft much like was used in the past in Canada and the United States.

Canada needs to get with the times, it is a cruel world we live in, and yes we are the "nice" country out there, but we are satan's little brother, we have to be prepared for the inevitable.
 

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I see things are starting to heat up again in Afghanistan:

U.S. sees fighting rekindled in Afghanistan

WASHINGTON — The United States has stepped up military activity in Afghanistan, spurred by a resilient insurgency that includes al-Qaeda terrorists and rebels associated with the former Taliban government, according to Afghan officials, Pentagon leaders and Afghanistan experts.

U.S. helicopter shot down in Afghanistan; all 17 aboard feared dead

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. military officials said Wednesday they fear all 17 people on board a transport helicopter that went down under fire in Afghanistan are dead but couldn't provide confirmation that was the case.

Tuesday's crash came after three months of unprecedented fighting that has killed about 465 suspected insurgents, 29 U.S. troops, 43 Afghan police and soldiers, and 125 civilians.
 

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Yeah...I've noticed that trend for the last month or so...

If a full fledged insurgency should emerge in Afghanistan, being in a position of a two front war will see their low recruiting numbers become an issue of some criticality in a big hurry...
 

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Shmad said:
If Bush does infact start a world war (chances are pretty good that he could), Canada's military would be so lackluster it wouldnt even be funny.

We'd be scrambling to train more troops, the government would finally give a boost to that lame thing we call our Defense budget, and maybe just maybe we would have a military that could defend against someone shooting waterbombs across the border.

I know thats a large exageration, but Canada as a military power? If a world war broke out, we'd probably see the government encouraging people to draft, and if that didnt work, then the government would bring in a forced draft much like was used in the past in Canada and the United States.

Canada needs to get with the times, it is a cruel world we live in, and yes we are the "nice" country out there, but we are satan's little brother, we have to be prepared for the inevitable.

It might be a whole lot smarter for CA to declare itself neutral. If the Bush regime wants to continue warring /or starting a MAJOR world war..........CA should have NO PART IN IT. Let bush do the killing and destroying. Canada could foster /develope its peace keeping capabilities, rapid response systems etc......but wasting money on a massive military is stupid........and that is the US forte. The US is no model to follow. The best CA can do is get along as well as it can with the US via diplomacy and discussions. Just the way it should GET ALONG with every other nation on this planet. PEACEFULLY

All the world has to do is maintain some status quo until bush is out of office........and hope like heck someone with brains moves into the Whitehouse.
 

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no1important said:
I see things are starting to heat up again in Afghanistan:

U.S. sees fighting rekindled in Afghanistan

WASHINGTON — The United States has stepped up military activity in Afghanistan, spurred by a resilient insurgency that includes al-Qaeda terrorists and rebels associated with the former Taliban government, according to Afghan officials, Pentagon leaders and Afghanistan experts.

U.S. helicopter shot down in Afghanistan; all 17 aboard feared dead

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. military officials said Wednesday they fear all 17 people on board a transport helicopter that went down under fire in Afghanistan are dead but couldn't provide confirmation that was the case.

Tuesday's crash came after three months of unprecedented fighting that has killed about 465 suspected insurgents, 29 U.S. troops, 43 Afghan police and soldiers, and 125 civilians.


heating up indeed. Now there are two countries that are unstable and in war environment. Could get a tad "hot".
 

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Well if both Afghanistan and Iraq keep getting hotter, so to speak, they will have no choice but to bring back the 5 letter word. The Americans simply can not maintain fighting two major "conflicts" at the same time otherwise.
 

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no1important said:
Well if both Afghanistan and Iraq keep getting hotter, so to speak, they will have no choice but to bring back the 5 letter word. The Americans simply can not maintain fighting two major "conflicts" at the same time otherwise.

as in the "D" word ??? :wink:

even if they don't heat up.......but both areas continue to be unstable.(and they ARE.....no matter that they don't make the "news" all that much)......can you imagine the drain this will be??? But all is not lost. The flourishing poppy growth in Afganistan should keep the US supplied in "recreational " drugs for some time.. :wink:

Kinda too bad bush chose WAR as his primary method of dealing with things "terror". The reality is that neither "war" was the solution to "terrorism"........but have gone a long way to foster more rage at the US......and ergo the potential for more terrorism. The so called "terrorist" groups don't have to anything active for years now...... as for one thing , bush is doing it for them.... and the other, timing is always on their side. No one has really addressed the root cause of it......so the problem could be perpetual now.
 

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Yes... stay weak. Maybe the terrorists won't see you. Humble yourself before them. They love that.
 

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EagleSmack said:
Yes... stay weak. Maybe the terrorists won't see you. Humble yourself before them. They love that.
:?: :roll: :roll: :?:
 

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KABUL, Afghanistan Jun 30, 2005 — The U.S. military confirmed Thursday that all 16 servicemembers aboard a special forces helicopter died when it crashed into a mountain ravine earlier this week, apparently after being shot down.

The remains of those killed were being recovered at the site in eastern Afghanistan where the MH-47 chopper went down Tuesday. The helicopter crashed while ferrying reinforcements to a battle against the insurgents, the military said in a statement.

The military reported earlier that 17 people were on board but revised that figure to 16 later Thursday.


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"At this point, we have recovered all 16 bodies of those service men who were onboard the MH-47 helicopter that crashed on Tuesday," Lt. Gen. James Conway, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters at the Pentagon on Thursday.

The Taliban has claimed responsibility for downing the helicopter.

On Wednesday, U.S. Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Peter Pace said investigators believed the helicopter was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade, but they were "not 100 percent sure."
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/01/news/kabul.php


so sad. And now what makes it more challenging is that Afganistan is getting more turbulent. Invading TWO countries in relatively rapid succession is the extreme in stupidity. Now, there are TWO destabilized areas in the ME.....where life can be volatile anyhow.

The US was attacked and retaliated in Afghansitan, even Canada is helping out. If Canada was attacked and the Afghan government harbored the terrorists what would you do? Have tea and crumpets with them?
 

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Anonymous said:
The campaign in Afghanistan has been popular in Canada for Canada in helping the United States' war on terrorism. Knowing our current situation, will we be going to war with the other countries on bush's list?

I think we will. That means we need to militarize our country. Buying more mobilization equipment and having a stabilized military.

Does this mean we will finally build a military?

We are in Affghnistan as part of a UN Mission in Kaboul. Our forces serve as security forces for the patical and the area around it. It is our only role. And if im not mistaken it is over, or soon will be over.
 

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Shmad said:
I know thats a large exageration, but Canada as a military power? If a world war broke out, we'd probably see the government encouraging people to draft, and if that didnt work, then the government would bring in a forced draft much like was used in the past in Canada and the United States.

We've never been a military power. But in times of war, if the cause is just, you can expect the hole country to rally. If you did'nt know this, by the end of world war 2, Canada had the 3rd largest navy in the world. Canada was a super power, with its large military.
 

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Numure said:
Anonymous said:
The campaign in Afghanistan has been popular in Canada for Canada in helping the United States' war on terrorism. Knowing our current situation, will we be going to war with the other countries on bush's list?

I think we will. That means we need to militarize our country. Buying more mobilization equipment and having a stabilized military.

Does this mean we will finally build a military?

We are in Affghnistan as part of a UN Mission in Kaboul. Our forces serve as security forces for the patical and the area around it. It is our only role. And if im not mistaken it is over, or soon will be over.

I'm not sure what the status is now as you say but Operation Apollo, was established in support of the U.S. initiative.
 

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CF Backgrounder

The Canadian Forces' Contribution to the International Campaign Against Terrorism

BG-02.001p - January 7, 2004
October 2001 - October 2003
Operation SUPPORT

Operation SUPPORT was Canada's first response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

Its first priority was to provide for the passengers and crew of aircraft diverted to Canadian airfields when civil aviation was grounded all over North America. Re-routed travellers and flight crews were hosted at Canadian Forces (CF) facilities in Goose Bay, Gander and Stephenville, Newfoundland; Halifax, Shearwater and Aldershot, Nova Scotia; Winnipeg, Manitoba; and Yellowknife, Northwest Territories.

Its second priority was to increase the level of emergency preparedness so the CF could respond quickly to requests for humanitarian assistance. The replenishment ship HMCS Preserver, the destroyer HMCS Iroquois and the frigate HMCS Ville de Québec were placed at a heightened state of readiness and prepared to sail to any U.S. port if required to help victims of further attacks. The Disaster Assistance Response Team (DART), which is trained and organized to provide emergency humanitarian support in the event of a disaster, was made ready to deploy from 8 Wing Trenton, Ontario. Canada's NORAD commitment was increased by the addition of CF-18 fighter aircraft placed at strategic locations throughout the country. Finally, CF intelligence capabilities were made available to the United States.
Operation APOLLO
How It Began

Operation APOLLO, Canada's military contribution to the campaign against terrorism, was a significant manifestation of our commitment to our allies, and to international security.

September 12, 2001:


The UN Security Council issued Resolution 1368, condemning the attacks of September 11, offering deepest sympathy to the American people, and reaffirming the right of member nations (expressed in Article 51 of the UN Charter) to individual and collective self-defence. It also urged the world community to suppress terrorism and hold accountable all who aid, support or harbour the perpetrators, organizers and sponsors of terrorist acts, and stated that the UN was prepared to combat all forms of terrorism.

September 20, 2001:


Minister of National Defence Art Eggleton authorized more than 100 CF members serving on military exchange programs in the U.S. and other allied nations to participate in operations conducted by their host units in response to the September 11 terrorist attacks.

September 28, 2001:


The UN Security Council issued Resolution 1373, setting out the methods by which member states were to root out terrorists and terrorist organizations, and deprive terrorists of the funds and materials necessary to conduct their operations.

October 4, 2001:


NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson announced that, in response to the terrorist attacks in the U.S., the North Atlantic Council (NATO's senior advisory body) was invoking Article 5 of the Treaty of Washington, which states that any attack on a NATO nation launched from outside that nation shall be interpreted as an attack on all the NATO nations.

October 7, 2001:


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Prime Minister Jean Chrétien announced that Canada would contribute air, land and sea forces to the international force being formed to conduct a campaign against terrorism.

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General Ray Henault, the Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS), issued warning orders to several CF units.

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Op APOLLO was established in support of the U.S. initiative code-named Operation ENDURING FREEDOM.

October 8, 2001:


Minister Eggleton announced the first CF commitments under Op APOLLO, which involved about 2,000 CF members. Navy ships were the first CF units to participate in the campaign against terrorism, and they began deploying immediately.
 

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I think you're right...our peacekeepers are trying to maintain law and order in and around Kabul. Kabul is the only area of Afghanistan that is reasonably safe(by our standards,anyway)...the rest of the country is still in chaos,still run by war-lord chiefs,still engaged in the lucrative heroin trade,and likely still exporting trained 'insurgents".
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/01/news/kabul.php


so sad. And now what makes it more challenging is that Afganistan is getting more turbulent. Invading TWO countries in relatively rapid succession is the extreme in stupidity. Now, there are TWO destabilized areas in the ME.....where life can be volatile anyhow.

The US was attacked and retaliated in Afghansitan, even Canada is helping out. If Canada was attacked and the Afghan government harbored the terrorists what would you do? Have tea and crumpets with them?


the invasion in Afganistan was retaliation. An emotional /angry response to a TERRORIST attack. Canadas support was , like most other nations ......in the lines of dealing with terrorism as the USG indicated that the terrorist stronghold ....including the OBL culprit was located in the region. Now, is it necessary to destroy a nation to find /capture a band of terrorists?? That was the Judgement call that the USG made. the situation at the time was very emotional. and REACTIVE. Spain had their 3-11 and did not go off invading nations in retaliation. (like a gunslinger from the old west looking for revenge). It has dealt with the TERRORIST issue and continues to do so. Many more intelligent strategies are needed to deal with the terrorist issue .....then simply bombing nations to crap. Overall , the Afganistan situation was handled a lot more effectively /constructively.- than the Iraq nonsense. Kinda too bad it was not brought to a level of stability before going off gung ho into another war. But then gunslingers are not known for their intelligence and strategic planning.....they just shoot from the hip and bury the bodies as they fall.


btw: it is amazing how many problems can be solved over tea and crumpets.... if one is SMART. :wink: bombs and bullits are not the only strategy for challenging issues.

two wars later and OBL and a lot of his gang is maintaining camp somewhere on this planet. Someone lost his compass in all this.