The Left’s great Russian conspiracy theory


Blackleaf
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The chattering classes have officially lost it. On both sides of the Atlantic. Of course, they’d been teetering on the cliff edge of sanity for a while, following the bruising of their beloved EU by 17m angry Brits and Hillary’s loss to that orange muppet they thought no one except rednecks would vote for. But now they’ve gone over. They’re falling fast. They’re speeding away from the world of logic into a cesspit of conspiracy and fear. It’s tragic. Or hilarious. One or the other...

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The chattering classes have officially lost it. On both sides of the Atlantic. Of course, they’d been teetering on the cliff edge of sanity for a while, following the bruising of their beloved EU by 17m angry Brits and Hillary’s loss to that orange muppet they thought no one except rednecks would vote for. But now they’ve gone over. They’re falling fast. They’re speeding away from the world of logic into a cesspit of conspiracy and fear. It’s tragic. Or hilarious. One or the other.

Exhibit A: this week’s New Yorker. It’s mad. It captures wonderfully how the liberal-left has come to be polluted by the paranoid style of McCarthyist thinking since Trump’s victory. It’s a New Yorker for a future, dystopian America that’s been captured by the Evil Empire. The mag’s masthead is in Cyrillic (external - login to view) and its famous dandy mascot — Eustace Tilley — has morphed into Putin. It’s now ‘Eustace Vladimirovich Tilley’ (external - login to view). Inside the mag it’s even more feverish. A 13,000-word report, ‘Trump, Putin and the New Cold War’, is accompanied by a drawing of a deep-red, UFO-style Kremlin hovering over the White House (external - login to view) and firing lasers into it. It’s CGI Hollywood meets House Un-American Activities in an orgy of liberal dread over Ruskies ruining the nation.

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It used to be right-wingers who fretted over Russians and Reds and pinkos colonising Westerners’ lives and minds. Now it’s lefties. Trump is regularly called ‘Putin’s puppet’ (external - login to view). He’s an ‘unwitting agent’ of Moscow (external - login to view), we’re told. The New York Times even called him ‘The Siberian Candidate’ (external - login to view), echoing the title of the 1962 thriller The Manchurian Candidate, in which an American is brainwashed by Korean Communists to become an assassin. That’s how some seriously view Trump: a Putin-moulded footsoldier of Russian interests who’ll assassinate the American way of life, if not American citizens. I mean, Vanity Fair actually asks (external - login to view): ‘Is Trump a Manchurian Candidate?’ These people need a lie down. You have to get deep into the (external - login to view)New Yorker’s prolix report to discover that US officials still haven’t provided evidence for their claim that Putin ordered the hacking of Democrat emails in order to hurry Trump to power: ‘The declassified report [on Putin’s meddling] provides more assertion than evidence.’

But that hasn’t stopped the left McCarthyists, these Reds on the Web fearmongers, from buying into all kinds of claptrap about Putin putting Trump in the White House. In December, a YouGov survey of Democratic voters found that 50 percent of them think ‘Russia tampered with vote tallies to help Trump’. That is, White House-eyeing Putinites actually meddled with voting machines or ballot counts. There’s no evidence whatever for this. In YouGov’s words, it’s an ‘election day conspiracy theory’. A kind of delirium is spreading.

The spectre of Putinite meddling is now blamed for everything that doesn’t go the liberal elite’s way. Labour MP Ben Bradshaw said it is ‘highly probable’ (external - login to view) Russia interfered in the EU referendum. Here, ‘highly probable’ is code for ‘I don’t have a solitary shred of evidence for this but I feel it in my waters’. Even the concern over ‘fake news’, which is a problem, is being bent to this broader, swirling fear of malevolent foreigners waging war on our apparently pristine politics and media. It always uses the lingo of invasion. Meet ‘the big data billionaire waging war on mainstream media,’ said a Guardian report (external - login to view) at the weekend, about a rich bloke who’s setting up various news websites.

The Guardian piece talks about the ‘war of the bots’, including ‘Russian bots’ (‘organised by who?’, it asks, menacingly (external - login to view)). Apparently these ‘automated bots’ on Twitter and other social-media sites — a bot being a computer programme designed to say the same stuff over and over — are pumping out political messages and hashtags that have helped to ‘change the conversation’ and boost support for the likes of Trump and Brexit. What’s really being said here is that my mind, your mind and the mind of anyone who doesn’t love the EU or think Hillary would have made a good president have been invaded by Russian bots — ‘organised by who?’ You know who! — and made to believe certain things. Richard Dawkins summed it up in a tweet about the Guardian piece (external - login to view): ‘Terrifying. Sinister social-media bots read minds & manipulate votes. Explains mystery of Trump & Brexit.’

Dear, dear me. What has become of these people? They really believe Putin made Brexit happen? That Ruskies tampered with vote counts in the US? That Russian computer bots ‘read minds’? They’ve lost it. They’ve gone. The very people who for years talked about the problem of conspiracy theories have become the keenest spreaders of conspiracy theories. The people who spent the past few months banging on about the ‘post-truth’ politics of Brexit and Trump have shown they don’t have the first clue what truth is. The people who posed as champions of logic have revealed themselves as peddlers of paranoia.

In his seminal 1964 essay ‘The Paranoid Style in American Politics’ (external - login to view), written in the aftermath of McCarthyism, Richard Hofstadter nailed the two elements of the fearful, fact-lite political mind: first, the obsession with ‘patterns’ of behaviour that might point to a conspiracy; and second, the conviction that the entire political order is under threat from some external force. He noted that McCarthy often talked about the ‘baffling pattern’ of certain politicians’ antics, which seemed to compliment, at least, ‘the wellbeing of the Kremlin’. And he described how political paranoiacs always think civilisation itself is being menaced: ‘The paranoid spokesman traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders.’

This beautifully describes the situation today. Those opposed to the current political order now scrabble about for evidence of Putin-friendly ‘patterns’ of behaviour among Trumpites, tying together every fleeting phone call or dinner engagement into proof that the White House is primarily concerned with the ‘wellbeing of the Kremlin’. And they, too, wring their hands over the end of America or the end of Europe — ‘the death of whole worlds’, the end of everything. They have vacated the world of reason. They’re in the land of the paranoid now, and they don’t even know it.

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Last edited by Blackleaf; Mar 4th, 2017 at 05:09 AM..
 
tay
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The issue isn't that they met the Russians but that, and particularly damaging in the Sessions case is he lied twice under Oath about talking to them. He is the Chief of the Justice Department so if he lied about this what else is he capable of.....?
 
Blackleaf
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

The issue isn't that they met the Russians but that, and particularly damaging in the Sessions case is he lied twice under Oath about talking to them. He is the Chief of the Justice Department so if he lied about this what else is he capable of.....?

 
Locutus
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DEM RED FACES... (external - login to view)

ALL OF THEIR MEETINGS WITH RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR... (external - login to view)

Basic Formula For Every 'Shocking Revelation'... (external - login to view)

FBI, other agencies work in buildings owned by China... (external - login to view)
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

The chattering classes have officially lost it. On both sides of the Atlantic. Of course, they’d been teetering on the cliff edge of sanity for a while, following the bruising of their beloved EU by 17m angry Brits and Hillary’s loss to that orange muppet they thought no one except rednecks would vote for. But now they’ve gone over. They’re falling fast. They’re speeding away from the world of logic into a cesspit of conspiracy and fear. It’s tragic. Or hilarious. One or the other...

Coffee House (external - login to view)

The Left’s great Russian conspiracy theory

Brendan O'Neill (external - login to view)


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Brendan O'Neill (external - login to view)
2 March 2017
The Spectator

The chattering classes have officially lost it. On both sides of the Atlantic. Of course, they’d been teetering on the cliff edge of sanity for a while, following the bruising of their beloved EU by 17m angry Brits and Hillary’s loss to that orange muppet they thought no one except rednecks would vote for. But now they’ve gone over. They’re falling fast. They’re speeding away from the world of logic into a cesspit of conspiracy and fear. It’s tragic. Or hilarious. One or the other.

Exhibit A: this week’s New Yorker. It’s mad. It captures wonderfully how the liberal-left has come to be polluted by the paranoid style of McCarthyist thinking since Trump’s victory. It’s a New Yorker for a future, dystopian America that’s been captured by the Evil Empire. The mag’s masthead is in Cyrillic (external - login to view) and its famous dandy mascot — Eustace Tilley — has morphed into Putin. It’s now ‘Eustace Vladimirovich Tilley’ (external - login to view). Inside the mag it’s even more feverish. A 13,000-word report, ‘Trump, Putin and the New Cold War’, is accompanied by a drawing of a deep-red, UFO-style Kremlin hovering over the White House (external - login to view) and firing lasers into it. It’s CGI Hollywood meets House Un-American Activities in an orgy of liberal dread over Ruskies ruining the nation.

View image on Twitter (external - login to view)

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Follow (external - login to view)
The New Yorker ✔ (external - login to view)
@NewYorker (external - login to view)

This week's cover, “Eustace Vladimirovich Tilley,” by Barry Blitt: nyer.cm/6R97Fmv (external - login to view)

3:48 PM - 2 Mar 2017 (external - login to view)

128 128 Retweets 258 Likes (external - login to view)


It used to be right-wingers who fretted over Russians and Reds and pinkos colonising Westerners’ lives and minds. Now it’s lefties. Trump is regularly called ‘Putin’s puppet’ (external - login to view). He’s an ‘unwitting agent’ of Moscow (external - login to view), we’re told. The New York Times even called him ‘The Siberian Candidate’ (external - login to view), echoing the title of the 1962 thriller The Manchurian Candidate, in which an American is brainwashed by Korean Communists to become an assassin. That’s how some seriously view Trump: a Putin-moulded footsoldier of Russian interests who’ll assassinate the American way of life, if not American citizens. I mean, Vanity Fair actually asks (external - login to view): ‘Is Trump a Manchurian Candidate?’ These people need a lie down. You have to get deep into the (external - login to view)New Yorker’s prolix report to discover that US officials still haven’t provided evidence for their claim that Putin ordered the hacking of Democrat emails in order to hurry Trump to power: ‘The declassified report [on Putin’s meddling] provides more assertion than evidence.’

But that hasn’t stopped the left McCarthyists, these Reds on the Web fearmongers, from buying into all kinds of claptrap about Putin putting Trump in the White House. In December, a YouGov survey of Democratic voters found that 50 percent of them think ‘Russia tampered with vote tallies to help Trump’. That is, White House-eyeing Putinites actually meddled with voting machines or ballot counts. There’s no evidence whatever for this. In YouGov’s words, it’s an ‘election day conspiracy theory’. A kind of delirium is spreading.

The spectre of Putinite meddling is now blamed for everything that doesn’t go the liberal elite’s way. Labour MP Ben Bradshaw said it is ‘highly probable’ (external - login to view) Russia interfered in the EU referendum. Here, ‘highly probable’ is code for ‘I don’t have a solitary shred of evidence for this but I feel it in my waters’. Even the concern over ‘fake news’, which is a problem, is being bent to this broader, swirling fear of malevolent foreigners waging war on our apparently pristine politics and media. It always uses the lingo of invasion. Meet ‘the big data billionaire waging war on mainstream media,’ said a Guardian report (external - login to view) at the weekend, about a rich bloke who’s setting up various news websites.

The Guardian piece talks about the ‘war of the bots’, including ‘Russian bots’ (‘organised by who?’, it asks, menacingly (external - login to view)). Apparently these ‘automated bots’ on Twitter and other social-media sites — a bot being a computer programme designed to say the same stuff over and over — are pumping out political messages and hashtags that have helped to ‘change the conversation’ and boost support for the likes of Trump and Brexit. What’s really being said here is that my mind, your mind and the mind of anyone who doesn’t love the EU or think Hillary would have made a good president have been invaded by Russian bots — ‘organised by who?’ You know who! — and made to believe certain things. Richard Dawkins summed it up in a tweet about the Guardian piece (external - login to view): ‘Terrifying. Sinister social-media bots read minds & manipulate votes. Explains mystery of Trump & Brexit.’

Dear, dear me. What has become of these people? They really believe Putin made Brexit happen? That Ruskies tampered with vote counts in the US? That Russian computer bots ‘read minds’? They’ve lost it. They’ve gone. The very people who for years talked about the problem of conspiracy theories have become the keenest spreaders of conspiracy theories. The people who spent the past few months banging on about the ‘post-truth’ politics of Brexit and Trump have shown they don’t have the first clue what truth is. The people who posed as champions of logic have revealed themselves as peddlers of paranoia.

In his seminal 1964 essay ‘The Paranoid Style in American Politics’ (external - login to view), written in the aftermath of McCarthyism, Richard Hofstadter nailed the two elements of the fearful, fact-lite political mind: first, the obsession with ‘patterns’ of behaviour that might point to a conspiracy; and second, the conviction that the entire political order is under threat from some external force. He noted that McCarthy often talked about the ‘baffling pattern’ of certain politicians’ antics, which seemed to compliment, at least, ‘the wellbeing of the Kremlin’. And he described how political paranoiacs always think civilisation itself is being menaced: ‘The paranoid spokesman traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders.’

This beautifully describes the situation today. Those opposed to the current political order now scrabble about for evidence of Putin-friendly ‘patterns’ of behaviour among Trumpites, tying together every fleeting phone call or dinner engagement into proof that the White House is primarily concerned with the ‘wellbeing of the Kremlin’. And they, too, wring their hands over the end of America or the end of Europe — ‘the death of whole worlds’, the end of everything. They have vacated the world of reason. They’re in the land of the paranoid now, and they don’t even know it.

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T'ain't no theory, Kipper.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#6
Don't mind him(ler)...^

After a week of slaving to pay the mortgage in the box factory, the boric acid hallucinations have our pal still doing friday night this saturday morning

note the lack of citations - its just jealousy:
nazis HATE russians cause russians keep kicking their a$$es
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

Don't mind him(ler)...^

After a week of slaving to pay the mortgage in the box factory, the boric acid hallucinations have our pal still doing friday night this saturday morning

note the lack of citations

Note that lack of common sense, above. ∆∆∆∆∆
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#8
Quote:

The chattering classes have officially lost it

sorry dude
BL called it in the first paragraph

...and yes, the lack of any sense at all, common or otherwise, is more then evident in your pointing out your own lack yourself...^^^^

lol
you must love the factory life
you are not even original at all

As we have already seen: minions die hard doood
 
davesmom
#9
The continued accusations of Russian collaboration with Republicans is clearly a diversionary tactic kept alive by the Democrats to undermine Trump's presidency.
If Russia is trying to destroy the democratic system, the American are playing right into Putin's hand. The American dissenters are destroying the democratic system themselves by refusing to accept the new Administration, blocking every move, holding up any possible progress and refusing to find common ground on which to build.
It is shameful and disastrous! Just what non-democratic countries need to be able to say, 'See? We don't have that kind of wrangling here! OUR population works with what the government decrees.'
 
Locutus
#10
they're coming
 
petros
#11
Soviet kool-aid.

Just say Nyet!


 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#12
minions die hard doood

youtu.be/ZYXTZh8CW4E (external - login to view)
 
Locutus
#13
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by davesmomView Post

The continued accusations of Russian collaboration with Republicans is clearly a diversionary tactic kept alive by the Democrats to undermine Trump's presidency.
If Russia is trying to destroy the democratic system, the American are playing right into Putin's hand. The American dissenters are destroying the democratic system themselves by refusing to accept the new Administration, blocking every move, holding up any possible progress and refusing to find common ground on which to build.
It is shameful and disastrous! Just what non-democratic countries need to be able to say, 'See? We don't have that kind of wrangling here! OUR population works with what the government decrees.'

Apparently you don't know how democracy works. Remember the Tea Party? Were they undemocratic as well? It appears to me that you are accusing anti-Trump protestors of being undemocratic for using identical tactics. Ditto for Democrats in Congress - they are simply copying the GOP.

You seem to be right about Americans playing into Putin's hand - at least those who worked for Trump during his campaign. It will be interesting to see what comes out of the Congressional inquiry being conducted by both Republicans and Democrats into Russian involvement.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar SinisterView Post

Apparently you don't know how democracy works. Remember the Tea Party? Were they undemocratic as well? It appears to me that you are accusing anti-Trump protestors of being undemocratic for using identical tactics. Ditto for Democrats in Congress - they are simply copying the GOP.

You seem to be right about Americans playing into Putin's hand - at least those who worked for Trump during his campaign. It will be interesting to see what comes out of the Congressional inquiry being conducted by both Republicans and Democrats into Russian involvement.

Well what we do know for sure is Clinton as Sec of State ok'd the sale of Uranium One to Russia, effectively giving Russia ownership of 5 American uranium mines. Did you know Canada used to be the USA's largest uranium supplier until Obama became President? Take a wild guess who became their largest supplier shortly after that?
We know the Russian Ambassador was a guest at the White House several times over the last 8 years.
And so far, the only real Russian involvement in the US election was them "leaking" already leaked information.
 
Locutus
+1
#16
Four Big Reasons Russophobia Is Raging in the USA

[I]“t’s used to avoid confronting the fact that Trump is a by-product of the extraordinary and systemic failure (external - login to view) of the Democratic Party. As long as the Russia story enables pervasive avoidance of self-critique – one of the things humans least like to do – it will continue to resonate no matter its actual substance and value.”

Well, yes, but the fact is that Mrs. Clinton likened Russian President Vladimir Putin to Hitler (external - login to view) well before the 2016 election, and the same Democratic party foreign policy mandarins – Strobe Talbott comes to mind – were busy whipping up Russophobic sentiment in the years preceding Trump’s victory at the polls. Greenwald points out that President Obama’s policy toward Russia wasn’t at all Clintonian, but this is only true if one fails to look beneath the surface. The roots of the current hysteria were laid during his reign: after all, the US-German-EU effort to overthrow the democratically elected President of Ukraine, and the installation of a “pro-Western” regime, occurred while Obama was in the White House. The Magnitsky Act (external - login to view), targeting top Russian officials, was passed by Congress and signed by President Obama in 2012.


And so while the present quite extraordinary campaign to portray Russia as our Major Adversary has been given considerable impetus by the Democratic party elites, eager to explain away their humiliating defeat – and discredit the current occupant of the White House – there’s much more to it than that. We can break it down into four major reasons:


1) Inter-service rivalry in the military

2) The Russian diaspora


3) The Israel and Saudi lobbies


4) Ideology




[...] the liberal-neocon alliance is desperately maneuvering for a confrontation with Russia – they’ve even brought George W. Bush out of mothballs (external - login to view)!


Whether they can revive the dead carcass of the Bush wing of the GOP remains to be seen: I’ll believe it when I see it. However that may be, I have to sit back and just enjoy this moment, because the sight (external - login to view) of our “liberals” hailing Dubya as the voice of Republican sanity goes to show what we knew all along – that these people have no shame.


An Important Note: Yes, we’re living in craaazy times. George W. Bush is the hero of “liberals.” The Democratic party is sounding like the John Birch Society, circa 1963. A reality television star is the President of these United States. It’s a brand new world – but some things never change. And one of those eternal truths is that the War Party is active, and relentless, ginning up wars on every continent.


Four Big Reasons Russophobia Is Raging in the USA (external - login to view)







and there's this:

(grab a coffee)

The New Yorker’s Big Cover Story Reveals Five Uncomfortable Truths About U.S. and Russia (external - login to view)



https://theintercept.com/2017/02/28/...-s-and-russia/ (external - login to view)
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

[B] Russophobia Russophobic


Lefties are indoctrinated. Brainwashed.

the great russian escape goat.

They would go against everything they "say" they hold dear to justify their own stupidity
 
Locutus
#18
labels man, all about their labels.
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#19
Micro aggressions by shaming with lables.
 
Locutus
#20
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

minions die hard doood

youtu.be/ZYXTZh8CW4E (external - login to view)

on the crack again today eh dolf?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by DanbonesView Post

on the crack again today eh dolf?

I've never tried, thst. What's it like, wino?
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#23
lol
we can see it in your lack of thought process when you post - it's evident to all
so you are saying you don't have drugs for an excuse?
lol
dood, if thats your native condition:

seek help
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#24
lol
gerblik gifaklik azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

lol
ughughugh grooooog
lol
bladder azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
 

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