Theresa May makes case for 'our precious Union'


Blackleaf
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Prime Minister Theresa May has called on her fellow Conservatives to continue "loudly and clearly" putting the case for the "precious Union" of the UK.

During a speech to the Scottish Tory conference in Glasgow she said "we are four nations, but at heart one people".

Mrs May had earlier criticised the SNP-led government at Holyrood for having tunnel vision over a second Scottish independence referendum.

The PM insisted that "logic and facts" were on the side of the UK.

PM Theresa May makes case for 'our precious Union'


3 March 2017
BBC News


Theresa May made a strong defence of why the United Kingdom should remain intact

Prime Minister Theresa May has called on her fellow Conservatives to continue "loudly and clearly" putting the case for the "precious Union" of the UK.

During a speech to the Scottish Tory conference in Glasgow she said "we are four nations, but at heart one people".

Mrs May had earlier criticised the SNP-led government at Holyrood for having tunnel vision over a second Scottish independence referendum (external - login to view).

The PM insisted that "logic and facts" were on the side of the UK.

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has maintained that a second referendum was "highly likely" because of Brexit.

Voters in Scotland backed remaining in the EU by 62% to 38%. The UK as a whole voted to leave by 52% to 48%.

On the issue of Brexit, Mrs May told the conference that she was "determined" to ensure that "we leave the EU as one United Kingdom and prosper outside the EU as one United Kingdom".

'Feeble and incompetent'

She began her speech with a scathing attack on Labour in Scotland.

Mrs May said: "For too long a feeble and incompetent Scottish Labour opposition did nothing to scrutinise the SNP for their failures.

"An SNP government interested only in stoking-up endless constitutional grievance and furthering their obsession with independence, at the expense of Scottish public services like the NHS and education, was given a free pass by Labour."

The address had a strong pro-Union theme.

1,661,191 - The number of Scots who voted for the UK to remain in the EU in the 2016 EU in/out referendum

2,001,926 - The number of Scots who voted for Scotland to remain in the UK in the 2014 Scottish independence referendum


Mrs May said the the UK "we cherish" is not a thing of the past.

She added: "The Union I am determined to strengthen and sustain is one that works for working people across England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland."

Other things the speech touched on included:

* The "falling standards" of education in Scotland under the SNP and the continued attainment gap. Mrs May said fewer young people from the poorest backgrounds made it to university in Scotland compared with the rest of the UK

* Praising Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson, whom she said would stand up to the SNP establishment

* "Enduring" economic strengths of the UK linked to its integrated domestic market for businesses meaning "no barriers to trade within our borders"

*The importance of the national security of the Union in a "changing world". Mrs May said: "The United Kingdom is a responsible member of the international community and Scotland makes a huge contribution to the UK's global role."


Analysis - By BBC Scotland political editor Brian Taylor

One or two of Mrs May's predecessors in Downing Street have had a bash at defining Britishness or British values. Not with universal success. One thinks of cycling and evensong.


But Theresa May's attempt appeared to be more broadly grounded and thus more interesting. She spoke again of family, of shared endeavour, of common interests.


Admittedly, some of her examples were less than utterly convincing. She talked of the Harry Potter books being written in an Edinburgh cafe by a Gloucestershire author. Thus, apparently, stressing the benefits of Union.


Well, maybe. But George Frederick Handel composed many of his masterpieces in London. That did not mean that his adopted Britain and his native Germany were bound by musical or other ties.


Still, it was a thoughtful speech, giving the impression of much more than a stock oration culled from party archives.


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Analysis - By The BBC's Scotland editor Sarah Smith

So will there be another Scottish independence referendum? Very possibly.


With all the talk of another vote being "very likely" and "all but inevitable", Nicola Sturgeon has already marched her troops so far up the hill it's hard to see how she can march them back down again without massive loss of face and political capital.


Today we got an extensive preview of the unionist case.


Mrs May talked at length about the benefits being part of the United Kingdom has bestowed on Scotland and the rest of the UK. And warned of the economic dangers of independence.


It was a serious and substantial speech about why she believes the UK is "Better Together".


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39151250
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Theresa May turns the tables on Nicola Sturgeon over a second referendum

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Katy Balls (external - login to view)
3 March 2017
The Spectator

Although Nicola Sturgeon has said a second independence referendum is ‘highly likely’, a recent poll suggests that the Scottish people are inclined to disagree. Earlier this year, a Panelbase survey found that support for a second independence referendum before the UK leaves the EU is at just 27 per cent. What’s more, the majority of Scots — including some who back independence — are not in favour of a second referendum within the next year or two.

This is why both the SNP and the Tories are currently at pains to blame the other side for any future referendum. Of late, Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP colleagues have been doing their best to stress that any future vote is down to the actions of Theresa May’s government and its unquenchable thirst for a "hard Brexit." Today the Prime Minister struck back. In a speech to the Scottish Tory conference in Glasgow, May attempted to turn the tables on Sturgeon. She used her speech to call out the SNP’s ‘obsession with independence’ before accusing them of ‘stoking-up endless constitutional grievance and furthering their interests at the expense of Scottish public services like the NHS and education’. May spoke warmly of the union — ‘we are four nations, but at heart one people’ — but warned that she would fight against any decentralisation of power which meant ‘a looser and weaker union’.

Predictably the SNP are already up in arms over the comments — accusing May of betraying the central principle of devolution. However, May’s speech gives us a glimpse of the approach her government will take should a second vote occur. What May’s team perceive to be their strongest card is that a lot of Scots — including some who support independence — don’t want a second referendum. As Alex Massie details in this week’s Spectator cover piece (external - login to view), the SNP’s hopes of a political dividend from Brexit have come to nothing. While three in five Scottish voters backed Remain, the polls suggest that if a referendum were held this month, the result would be much the same as last time: 55pc of Scots would opt to remain in the Union.

Should Sturgeon call a second referendum, May believes there will be a backlash — and she is not willing to take the blame.

Theresa May turns the tables on Nicola Sturgeon over a second referendum | Coffee House (external - login to view)
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tay
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Theresa May Scottish Speech: 25 different attacks on Scottish Independence that could just as easily be about Brexit


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/25-theresa-may-attacks-on-scottish-independence-that-could-just-as-easily-be-about-brexit-a7610051.html (external - login to view)


 
Blackleaf
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All the arguments about UK independence from the EU are often routinely ignored when it comes to Scottish "independence."

For example, the loony Scots "Nats" told us during the EU referendum that the UK must stay within the EU because of trade - the amount of trade the UK does with the EU is 44% and falling.

Yet the same Scots "Nats" ignore matters such as trade when it comes to Scottish "independence". Never do you hear Nicola Sturgeon mention Scottish trade with the rest of the UK - 67% and rising.

Of course, the Scots "Nats" (who aren't true Scottish nationalists at all because they want Scotland within the European Union) omit to mention the latter because it is an inconvenient fact for them.

What May should do is call the SNP's bluff and say - "Go on, guys If you want another 'independence' referendum hold one NOW. What are you waiting for" Or she should give them a deadline to hold one within six months. That would leave the Scots "Nats" bewildered, because they know if a referendum was held now, the Scots would once again vote to stay within the UK. But the Scots "Nats" would either have to hold the referendum now anyway (and they won't be getting another one if they lose) to show they are true to their word but risk losing it, or say "No, we don't want to hold it yet", which makes them look daft.

Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Theresa May Scottish Speech: 25 different attacks on Scottish Independence that could just as easily be about Brexit


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/25-theresa-may-attacks-on-scottish-independence-that-could-just-as-easily-be-about-brexit-a7610051.html (external - login to view)


If England voted to Remain in the EU and Scotland and Northern Ireland had voted to Leave, and it was their votes which dragged the UK from the EU, would the English now be entitled to an "independence" referendum?

 
Tecumsehsbones
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The funniest part is the way the stupid Brits just pretend Ireland was never part of their union. Mention Micheal Collins and the fingers go in the ears and the LA-LA-LA-LA-LA starts.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

The funniest part is the way the stupid Brits just pretend Ireland was never part of their union.

And which people would these be?
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

The funniest part is the way the stupid Brits just pretend Ireland was never part of their union. Mention Micheal Collins and the fingers go in the ears and the LA-LA-LA-LA-LA starts.

well, wrong collins

try TOM collins if you want the attention of Brits

There are many reasons why the remainers might not want to be part of a British union
but the EU is going down in flames ( some big bank fails on the horizon ), as is the USD
(Obomber's banker bailouts eh?)
so, give it a little time

One of the mai proponents of mass immigration, and the EU itself the left's main backer george soros the jewish nazi, who helped put jews on the trains for Hitler, is not well liked by the Brits who know anything about pound crashing

“The European Union is based on the Nazi plans published in Berlin in 1942.”
juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=2675 (external - login to view)

"In 2008, director of the Freenations website Rodney Atkinson — former British Ministerial Adviser, author, and lecturer at University of Mainz in Germany — sent out the following press release:

26th June 2008 - “THE NAZIS AND FASCISTS WHO FOUNDED THE EUROPEAN UNION - AND THEIR INFLUENCE TODAY: RECORDING ON CD of a speech given at a public meeting at the House of Commons in February 2008 chaired by Philip Davies MP by Rodney Atkinson

“NAZI LEADERSHIP OFFICER” BECAME FIRST HEAD OF THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION IN 1957

In the cd “The Nazis and Fascists who founded the European Union”…Rodney Atkinson tells the detailed story of an unmentionable truth — that:

“The EU was founded and initially led by ‘former’ Nazis and Fascists, as was the Charlemagne Prize awarded to Tony Blair, Edward Heath, Roy Jenkins and others for their role in removing democratic sovereignty from the nation states of Europe.” No wonder, says Atkinson, that the EU has today reproduced the policies and structures of 1940s Europe and shows all the characteristics of a totalitarian anti democratic corporatist Empire — for that is what its fascist founders intended.

In this speech — delivered at a public meeting held at The House of Commons on Tuesday 26th February 2008 — Atkinson describes in detail the backgrounds of those Nazis and Fascists who were so prominent in founding and supporting that “European Union” which now governs Britain — he describes how, among many others:"
juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=2675 (external - login to view)

"Winston Churchill
calling for a United States of Europe

Winston Churchill, a former army officer, war reporter and British Prime Minister (1940-45 and 1951-55), was one of the first to call for the creation of a 'United States of Europe'. Following the Second World War, he was convinced that only a united Europe could guarantee peace. His aim was to eliminate the European ills of nationalism and war-mongering once and for all."
https://europa.eu/european-union/abo...thers_en#box_4 (external - login to view)
Oh, the evils of nationalism and the joys of globalist dictatorship


there you have it
NAZIs...and of course Obomber, the communitarian CIA creation, and his ilk, support the EU.

and the brits and the americans think they won the war
geeezass
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Blackleaf
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The EU is just the Germans trying to do peacefully and politically what they failed to do in World War II.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

The EU is just the Germans trying to do peacefully and politically what they failed to do in World War II.

A Commonwealth trade pact is just the British trying to regain the glory of their now long-gone empire.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

A Commonwealth trade pact is just the British trying to regain the glory of their now long-gone empire.

So wanting to partake in global trade equates to a national yearning for a lost great empire?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

So wanting to partake in global trade equates to a national yearning for a lost great empire?

It does when the moribund and soon to be totally screwed Britain seeks out a trade relationship with exiting and dynamic economies in Canada, India, Australia and New Zealand. What do you expect, a blood transfusion from the "doing" nations?
 
Blackleaf
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious CdnView Post

It does when the moribund and soon to be totally screwed Britain seeks out a trade relationship with exiting and dynamic economies in Canada, India, Australia and New Zealand. What do you expect, a blood transfusion from the "doing" nations?

In what way is Britain moribund?

By the way, New Zealand still hasn't really forgiven the Mother Country for turning her back on New Zealand to join the EU in 1973 - an act which devastated the New Zealand economy.
 
tay
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Europe could allow a united Ireland to join EU after Brexit


At times she seems to think herself a latter day Margaret Thatcher but Theresa May's legacy might be as the prime minister who destroyed the United Kingdom.

She's been pushing the European Union for a new deal to grease Britain's Brexit from the EU. That's earning May a lot of pushback, most recently from Angela Merkel who added her voice to the chorus saying there'll be no deal, no negotiations for a deal, before Britain is out.

Scottish leaders say if the UK is out of the EU, Scotland wants out of the UK and they're demanding a second referendum. May says no but her arguments are lame and likely to fuel the drive for Scottish independence.

Now the EU is sending another body blow to 10 Downing Street with an expected announcement that Europe might allow a unified Ireland to join the EU after Brexit. Nice. Peel off Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom. With the Scots in the mood to say adios that would leave England and Wales, if May could persuade the Welsh to stay put.

The Britain, formerly known as Great Britain, a once United Kingdom no more.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...turn-for-north (external - login to view)
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
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if if if might if

stay tooned for next weeks episode....
the young and the exitless....

will brittania really leave euffie?
:O
what will happen to the children...?

this is getting to be a real white knuckler

just sayin
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by tayView Post

Europe could allow a united Ireland to join EU after Brexit


At times she seems to think herself a latter day Margaret Thatcher but Theresa May's legacy might be as the prime minister who destroyed the United Kingdom.

She's been pushing the European Union for a new deal to grease Britain's Brexit from the EU. That's earning May a lot of pushback, most recently from Angela Merkel who added her voice to the chorus saying there'll be no deal, no negotiations for a deal, before Britain is out.

Scottish leaders say if the UK is out of the EU, Scotland wants out of the UK and they're demanding a second referendum. May says no but her arguments are lame and likely to fuel the drive for Scottish independence.

Now the EU is sending another body blow to 10 Downing Street with an expected announcement that Europe might allow a unified Ireland to join the EU after Brexit. Nice. Peel off Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom. With the Scots in the mood to say adios that would leave England and Wales, if May could persuade the Welsh to stay put.

The Britain, formerly known as Great Britain, a once United Kingdom no more.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...turn-for-north (external - login to view)







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The SNP have lost momentum on independence – and Nicola Sturgeon knows it

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Katy Balls (external - login to view)
28 April 2017
The Spectator

The result of the general election in England might be regarded as inevitable, with even Labour MPs telling constituents it’s safe to vote for them because Jeremy Corbyn is not going to become prime minister. But in Scotland, there’s a fierce contest going on between the SNP and the Tories, and this is where the focus of the election might move in the coming days.

With a YouGov survey today reporting a surge in support for the Conservatives in Scotland, there was cause for cautious celebration at CCHQ. The poll says that the Tories are on course to gain seven seats in Scotland, including the constituency currently held by Angus Robertson, the SNP’s Westminster leader. What’s more, in a boost to the Unionist cause, over half the population – 51 per cent – oppose another independence referendum completely.

The findings cap off a pretty bad seven days for the Scottish nationalists. When the snap election was first announced, Sturgeon claimed that if the SNP won the general election in Scotland it would mean ‘Theresa May’s attempt to block our mandate to hold another referendum when the time is right will crumble to dust’. But this week, Sturgeon attempted to change tack after two previous polls showed a surge of support for the Scottish Tories, with one putting their rating at 33pc.


The Conservatives could win seven seats in Scotland in the upcoming election, although some analysts say they could win as many as twelve


As a result, on Monday, the First Minister backtracked on her previous comments and claimed the election would not ‘decide whether or not Scotland becomes independent’ – instead it was now about standing up to the Tories. The next day, Sturgeon cancelled a statement that she was due to make to the Scottish parliament to set out her next steps towards getting a second referendum on independence.

Now her spokesman says this will only be delayed until after the election. But the fact that Sturgeon has changed her strategy shows that she knows that her party is losing momentum on independence. Since 2014, the SNP have relied on a sense that independence was the future. That looks less convincing now.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/0...geon-knows-it/ (external - login to view)
 

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