Is this why Germany was so desperate to stop Brexit?

Locutus

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things are really looking up in Britain now. That's good.


New figures show Britain is booming - while confidence in the German economy is wobbling after firms 'fall into a summer slump' over Britain leaving


  • Business confidence survey predicts weaker growth in Germany next year
  • Reveals why so many top German businessmen campaigned against Brexit
  • Economists say German firms are 'suddenly waking up to Brexit reality'
  • But back in Britain retailers reported their strongest sales in six months
 

Danbones

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say, did the US ever give them their gold back...?
haha, no
silly question...

the money germany has lent out to the EU stinkers has all been scammed up by:
5 Behemoths That Hold Our Political System Hostage
We've ranked the banks based on how shamelessly they game the political process through lobbying, revolving door politics and campaign donations.
http://www.alternet.org/story/15268...emoths_that_hold_our_political_system_hostage

carry on
 

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Germany doesn't want Britain to boom after Brexit because it'll show the other EU Member States that it is possible for a country to leave the EU and be rich and successful and that would likely cause movements in other countries - such as France, whose people are even more eurosceptic than the British - for EU in/out referenda of their own.
 

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You can go but the furniture stays


That's sort of the message from German economy minister, Sigmar Gabriel (link is external), in response to Brexit, the UK's departure from the European Union.

The world now regarded Europe as an unstable continent, said Gabriel, who is the deputy to chancellor Angela Merkel in Germany’s governing coalition.

“If we organise Brexit in the wrong way, then we’ll be in deep trouble, so now we need to make sure that we don’t allow Britain to keep the nice things, so to speak, related to Europe while taking no responsibility,” Gabriel said.

...EU leaders are refusing to countenance a “Europe a la carte” by letting Britain select the parts of its future relationship that it may like, such as access to the bloc’s single market of 500 million consumers, while dispensing with EU principles such as the free movement of people.

 

Blackleaf

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Britain will boss proceedings during the upcoming negotiations, not the EU. Britain will be out well before the two-year time limit after the triggering of Article 50 due to the fact that Britain will set out its list of desires and the EU will meekly agree to them all.
 

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I am guessing there will be snags
It will play out in bankers' favour, so I would watch to to see what that might be
and then coat tail them
 

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Existing pre- referendum deals were still a huge factor in the growth numbers now being published. Retails Sales are not falling, they are plummeting, there are slow down in construction, and manufacturing industry. The sterling is down on the FX. Next quarter will show a different picture. Any smart business are downsizing their orders until they see stability, which scaling back projects = lost jobs. Even the IMF has decreased Britain's growth percentage. Loosing access to 'single market' will affect them more and more. I'm sure the Bank of England is prepared for the punch. I wonder what Britain will be pitching at the G20.
 

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Existing pre- referendum deals were still a huge factor in the growth numbers now being published. Retails Sales are not falling, they are plummeting, there are slow down in construction, and manufacturing industry. The sterling is down on the FX. Next quarter will show a different picture. Any smart business are downsizing their orders until they see stability, which scaling back projects = lost jobs. Even the IMF has decreased Britain's growth percentage. Loosing access to 'single market' will affect them more and more. I'm sure the Bank of England is prepared for the punch. I wonder what Britain will be pitching at the G20.


In July 2016, the quantity bought (volume) of retail sales is estimated to have increased by 5.9% compared with July 2015; all sectors showed growth with the main contribution coming from non-food stores.

Compared with June 2016, the quantity bought increased by 1.4%; all sectors showed growth with the main contribution again coming from non-food stores.

Average store prices (including petrol stations) fell by 2.0% in July 2016 compared with July 2015. Compared with June 2016, there was a fall of 0.8%.

The amount spent (value) in the retail industry increased by 3.6% compared with July 2015 and 1.6% compared with June 2016.

Retail sales in Great Britain - Office for National Statistics

There has been a slowdown in construction but most of the data for the survey was collected before the referendum.

British Airways' owner - IAG - says Brexit will not affect business.

As for job losses, just a few weeks after the vote to leave the EU, UK unemployed decreased to 4.9%, the lowest in 11 years.
 

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Blackleaf

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Existing pre- referendum deals were still a huge factor in the growth numbers now being published. Retails Sales are not falling, they are plummeting, there are slow down in construction, and manufacturing industry. The sterling is down on the FX. Next quarter will show a different picture. Any smart business are downsizing their orders until they see stability, which scaling back projects = lost jobs. Even the IMF has decreased Britain's growth percentage. Loosing access to 'single market' will affect them more and more. I'm sure the Bank of England is prepared for the punch. I wonder what Britain will be pitching at the G20.

It's time for the Brexit bears to calm down



Allister Heath
1 September 2016
The Telegraph


The vast majority of City economists thought that the sky would fall in after the Brexit vote Credit: AFP/Getty Images


Funny, that. The “experts” were not just a little bit wrong but horrendously, hopelessly so.

The Markit/CIPS Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) jumped to a 10-month high of 53.3 in August, after tumbling to a three-year low of 48.3 in July in the immediate aftermath of the Brexit vote; it was the biggest month-on-month surge in a quarter of a century and one that confounded the doom-mongers, yet again.

Yet not a single one of the well-paid economists polled by Bloomberg even came close to predicting the extent of the rebound, driven in part by the lower pound: just three forecast any growth at all (a modest rise to just 50.5, as it happens, which at least got the direction of travel right).

The forecasters are on another planet from those they are trying to understand, consumers as well as businesses.

The vast majority of City economists thought that the sky would fall in after the Brexit vote, with some going as far as predicting another Lehman Brothers-style financial implosion.

Many were expecting – and some are still actually predicting – a technical recession, an eventuality that now looks unlikely. Even commercial property funds, which are set up in a fragile way and were badly hit in the immediate aftermath of the vote are now recovering.

The credit markets are fine, as is inter-bank lending and all other key indicators of financial stress. Gilt yields have fallen further.

Of course, not all is going swimmingly: the economy has been doing all right but not brilliantly for a while now, irrespective of the Brexit vote.

Some parts of the economy are continuing their longer-term slowdown, including property transactions which are suffering from stamp duty, the tax attack on buy-to-let, an array of tax hikes aimed at wealthier foreign buyers and an over-valued London market.


The new crop of perma-bears in the City need to calm down Credit: Bloomberg


The manufacturing PMI had been on a downward trend for a while. It is also obviously true that there has been some sort of Brexit shock, and many companies are worried. Growth will undoubtedly be hit: the figures imply a rebound from excessive, irrational pessimism, not a boom.

It is also worth putting the UK numbers into an international context. Britain’s reading was substantially above the final eurozone manufacturing PMI for the month, which fell a little to 51.7.

The UK did far better than France, which fell to 48.3 (yes, being an EU member-state is no economic panacea, for those who may not have noticed the economic history of the past 20 years).

Britain also did much better than the US, where the ISM manufacturing slumped to 49.4 from 52.6. It ought to be obvious, but for some reason wasn’t, that one can vote to leave the EU and do much better than countries that are choosing to remain (or of course that have little or nothing to do with Europe at all).

There are two key messages from the latest figures. First, the new crop of perma-bears in the City need to calm down, and fast: they shouldn’t allow the fact that they didn’t want, predict or like Brexit to cloud their judgment when it comes to understanding what is actually going on in the economy.

Second, it’s equally important that people such as myself – who cannot wait for Brexit to become a reality – don’t get carried away by this and other positive data.

For a start, there will be lots more data, and some are bound to be bad. The construction and services numbers will be worth watching; and then real, hard figures (though, of course, those will be revised for years to come).

I can understand why Brexiteers would be tempted to gloat. They were ridiculed, demonised and accused of having destroyed the economy by some Remainers in the ugly, hysterical days immediately after the vote. But the fact that some Remainers behaved appallingly is no reason for Brexiteers to do the same.

It’s time to focus instead on what really matters, and that means getting the Brexit negotiations right, not one or other survey or data snapshot.


It's time for the Brexit bears to calm down
 
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Topkek

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We need another world war soon. There hasn't been one in 70 years. Can we all just gang up on Germany for one last time?
Just for ****s and giggles.