EU Not Capitulating To Outrages USA Demands

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The documents imply that even craven European leaders believe the US demands go too far. As War on Want puts it, they show that TTIP would “open the door” to products currently banned in the EU “for public health and environmental reasons”.


Today is one such moment. The Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership (TTIP) – that notorious proposed trade agreement that hands even more sweeping powers to corporate titans – lies wounded, perhaps fatally. It isn’t dead yet, but TTIP is a tangled wreckage that will be difficult to reassemble.

French president rejects trade pact in current form as lead negotiator blames Washington for impasse a day after leak revealed ‘irreconcilable’ differences

Those of us who campaigned against TTIP – not least fellow Guardian columnist George Monbiot – were dismissed as scaremongering. We said that TTIP would lead to a race to the bottom on everything from environmental to consumer protections, forcing us down to the lower level that exists in the United States. We warned that it would undermine our democracy and sovereignty, enabling corporate interests to use secret courts to block policies that they did not like.

Scaremongering, we were told. But hundreds of leaked documents from the negotiations reveal, in some ways, that the reality is worse – and now the French government has been forced to suggest it may block the agreement.

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Protest never changes anything? Look at how TTIP has been derailed | Owen Jones | Opinion | The Guardian


www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9r1O2imTGo

 

[darkbeaver]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEU, IT STINKS if they won't rise up and crush the weirdness they will be eaten by it, all that effort for nothing, the end of Nations, what a tragedy, unthinkable ages of chaos, vote no

 

[Blackleaf]

TTIP is a good reason to vote for Brexit.

 

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The latest draft version of the TTIP agreement could sabotage European efforts to save energy and switch to clean power, according to MEPs.

A 14th round of the troubled negotiations on a TTIP free trade deal between the EU and US is due to begin on Monday in Brussels.

A leak obtained by the Guardian shows that the EU will propose a rollback of mandatory energy savings measures, and major obstacles to any future pricing schemes designed to encourage the uptake of renewable energies.

Environmental protections against fossil fuel extraction, logging and mining in the developing world would also come under pressure from articles in the proposed energy chapter.

Paul de Clerck, a spokesman for Friends of the Earth Europe, said the leaked document: “is in complete contradiction with Europe’s commitments to tackle climate change. It will flood the EU market with inefficient appliances, and consumers and the climate will foot the bill. The proposal will also discourage measures to promote renewable electricity production from wind and solar.”

The European commission says that the free trade deal is intended to: “promote renewable energy and energy efficiency – areas that are crucial in terms of sustainability”.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...rgy-proposal-could-sabotage-eu-climate-policy

 

[taxslave]

So according to the EU saving consumers money is a bad thing when it doesn't meet their political agenda.

 

[Danbones]

It may be a question of who gets to save the money and where are they putting it
obviously not in the peeps pockets in anycase

just look at the financial condition of greece, portugaul, Italy, and others, verses say Iceland...

its all about creating suicide nets at coffe break producers
and regulated till the price goes through the roof consumers
and being the carbon credit trading middlespider collecting all the flying loot in the middle

 

[taxslave]

It may be a question of who gets to save the money and where are they putting it
obviously not in the peeps pockets in anycase

just look at the financial condition of greece, portugaul, Italy, and others, verses say Iceland...

Greece and Portugal are socialist countries with a huge inefficient bureaucracy and a sense of entitlement to OPM. Neither have much in the way of industry either.

 

[Danbones]

Greece and Portugal are socialist countries with a huge inefficient bureaucracy and a sense of entitlement to OPM. Neither have much in the way of industry either.

well, for example we know Greece was robbed by goldman sachs

"How the Monsters at Goldman Sachs Caused a Greek Tragedy
Greece's crushing debt has exploded into a full-blown crisis, with the country on the precipice of the unthinkable: the default of a sovereign nation. Thanks Goldman Sachs."
How the Monsters at Goldman Sachs Caused a Greek Tragedy | Alternet

"Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis
Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I don't think ideology has anything to do with it
it's just a tool and a distraction from the act of having everything stolen by creeps

here is another fine example:
How did George Soros "break the Bank of England"?
http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/george-soros-bank-of-england.asp
The Brexit crash will make all of you poorer – be warned
George Soros
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...xit-crash-pound-living-standards-george-soros

 

[Sons of Liberty]

well, for example we know Greece was robbed by goldman sachshttps://www.theguardian.com/comment...xit-crash-pound-living-standards-george-soros

Greeks (Greece is a socialist cesspool) put themselves in their mess by having a sense of entitlement since birth. Goldman Sachs cooked their books as directed by the Greeks.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So according to the EU saving consumers money is a bad thing when it doesn't meet their political agenda.

I take it you also oppose Canadian laws that require toxic waste to be expensively disposed of rather than dumped in the rivers?

 

[Danbones]

Greeks (Greece is a socialist cesspool) put themselves in their mess by having a sense of entitlement since birth. Goldman Sachs cooked their books as directed by the Greeks.

wrong
The old if she didn't want to get raped she should not have worn such nice clothes line
that's a Bill Clintonism...you really gonna go with that?

I take it you also oppose Canadian laws that require toxic waste to be expensively disposed of rather than dumped in the rivers?

or as we do get
expensively dumped in the rivers

 

[Sons of Liberty]

wrong
The old if she didn't want to get raped she should not have worn such nice clothes line
that's a Bill Clintonism...you really gonna go with that?

No, I am not wrong. I don't really care for your adage. That is a fact as it pertains to Greece. The politicians kept borrowing money to keep up with campaign promises and of course to line their pockets. They took the money, time to pay the piper.

 

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TTIP talks resume between US and EU


The European Union’s trade negotiators are due to meet their US counterparts on Thursday amid growing speculation that talks over the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership have ground to a halt.

EU trade chief Cecilia Malmström will meet US trade ambassador Michael Froman in a bid to rescue the TTIP talks at a meeting in Brussels on Thursday described as a “stock take” of the negotiations so far.

The two sides are understood to be preparing to put the talks on the back burner while policymakers consider complaints about a similar and equally controversial trade deal with Canada.

The Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) deal with Canada is due to be ratified by the council of ministers next month prior to being debated by the Strasbourg parliament. But protests in Germany, France and Finland could wreck the agreement and with it the prospects for the TTIP talks.

A gathering in Germany of SPD members next week at a special congress could force the left-of-centre party’s leadership to reverse its support for CETA, triggering widespread revolt across the continent against the deal and its cousin TTIP.

Last month Sigmar Gabriel, the SPD leader and economy minister in Angela Merkel’s coalition government, said that “in my opinion, the negotiations with the US have de facto failed, even though nobody is really admitting it,” though he remains a supporter of the CETA deal.

EU officials believe the ailing European economy can only recover with the help of trade deals that harmonise rules and regulations, making it easier to sell goods and services abroad.

A spokesman for the commission said it was aiming to strike a comprehensive deal with the US.

He said: “Since the beginning of this year there has been a intensification of contact between negotiators, both at technical and political level.”

He denied that negotiators were shedding controversial elements of the talks to secure a deal before president Obama leaves office at the end of the year.

“A quick deal would likely be a scaled down deal that would not include meaningful outcomes for most .....

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https://www.theguardian.com/busines...n-us-and-eu-trade-officials-cecilia-malmstrom