Will Barack Obama’s ‘back of the queue’ threat backfire?

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Barack Obama’s decision to visit Britain during an election campaign was controversial enough. His writing an article against Brexit in the Daily Telegraph was more controversial still. But to stand in Downing Street and threaten his host country with being dumped ‘at the back of the queue’ for trade talks should it choose to leave the EU is, I think, too much. It’s precisely the comment that could backfire, and spark indignation. And make people ask: who on earth is Obama to come to Britain and speak to us in this way?

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Will Barack Obama’s ‘back of the queue’ threat backfire?

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Barack Obama’s decision to visit Britain during an election campaign was controversial enough. His writing an article against Brexit in the Daily Telegraph was more controversial still. But to stand in Downing Street and threaten his host country with being dumped ‘at the back of the queue’ for trade talks should it choose to leave the EU is, I think, too much. It’s precisely the comment that could backfire, and spark indignation. And make people ask: who on earth is Obama to come to Britain and speak to us in this way? I’ve just recorded a podcast about this with James Forsyth. Here it is:- https://soundcloud.com/user-568931059

It wasn’t what Obama said, as such. Even the EU doesn’t have a free trade deal with the US, and I doubt it will ever agree a proper one. The problem is the dismissive way in which Obama spoke about Britain: as a country that’s too small to be worth bothering with on its own. A country that might matter, as part of a massive block of the EU, but is too tiny for his ever-so-busy officials in the State Department to bother with. And to be told, now, that it would be ‘hugely inefficient’ for the United States to open trade talks with Britain, due to the ‘heavy lift’ of such talks.

The heavy lift. An interesting phrase. In recent years, when America has come looking for allies to help with ‘heavy lifting’ in Iraq and Afghanistan, Britain was there. Most of Europe wasn’t. When diplomatic ‘heavy lifting’ needed to be done in Obama’s deal with Iran, Britain was there – backing him to the hilt, even though Iranians have been responsible for the deaths of British servicemen. The ‘heavy lifting’ that Britain has been doing for the US – in the name of liberty – has been as much, often more, than our shrinking military could bear. But we did it, because that’s what allies are for.

But, Obama now says, when it comes to the ‘heavy lifting’ of a telephone when it comes to trade talks, well – that would be too much of an ask. Don’t we know the State Department is busy? Yes, Britain may have answered when the White House called in its time of need, over the years. Yes, we may be America’s largest single foreign investor. But should we choose to leave the EU, and make our own way in the world by striking new alliances, we’d find ourselves relegated to the ‘back of the queue’. We’re told that Obama has been here to be a ‘candid friend’ and he has, today, certainly been candid. But is this really the language of a friend?



This is why US presidents should avoid visiting in election times: you end up taking sides on a question that splits the country, and earning the enmity of half of that country rather than furthering relations. Tim Montgomerie’s superb cover piece this week explains how Obama has spent eight years being divisive, rather than the uniter that he once pledged to be. Today, Britain has seen this side.


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For Britan, it seems like the saying is true regarding friends and enemies, with friends like u.s. , does Britain need any enemies?

True friends would let Britain know that what they are about to do is patently stupid.

Non issue to everyone outside of England. Europe does not care if they loose one liability.

Yup. The Brits lose but Europe muddles on.

Yeah. They do. A lot of people do. The EU in/out referendum is one of the world's big political stories at the moment.

It's a little one, not a big one. The big one is if Donald Trump has enough support to become President of the United States.

Brexit doesn't affect us here, either but the above sure as hell does.
 

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True friends would let Britain know that what they are about to do is patently stupid.

How is being a free, self-governing nation state free from the economic shackles, bureaucracy, economic sclerosis and undemocratic nature of Brussels being stupid?


Yup. The Brits lose but Europe muddles on.

The EU won't muddle on. As a project it's doomed to failure, and that's why Britain needs to get on the lifeboat before the EU Titanic hits the iceberg. The EU will be in even greater trouble when Brexit occurs.


It's a little one, not a big one. The big one is if Donald Trump has enough support to become President of the United States.

Brexit doesn't affect us here, either but the above sure as hell does.

The EU in/out referendum is one of the world's biggest and most important political events of the year.

Non issue to everyone outside of England. Europe does not care if they loose one liability.

If the EU doesn't care about Brexit then why is it doing everything it can to prevent it? The fact is that it doesn't want to lose its second-biggest cash cow and either lose money or have member states like France having to pay more into the EU's coffers to make up the shortfall.
 

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It's the Germans who bankroll the EU, not the British.

Which country is the second-biggest contributor to the EU budget, paying £55 million a day into it, money which could be better spent in Britain? To say Britain doesn't bankroll the EU is just ludicrous. That's why the EU is desperate to keep Britain. The French don't want to end up having to pay more after Brexit.
 

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Barack Obungler needs to keep his nose out of UK and other Commonwealth countries business. He has already made a mess out of the US. His failed policies will haunt the US for decades.
 

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It's the Germans who bankroll the EU, not the British.
Considering Germany and Britain are the only two countries left in Europe who's economies are worth a sh*t, Britain leaving would hurt the EU quite a bit. That's why they've even resorted to various forms of blackmail to try and force Britain to remain.
Christ, British anglers can't even fish their own waters anymore, while Continental fishing fleets vacuum up fish stocks in the Channel and North Sea.
Can you imagine some pinhead in the US telling us we can't fish on our side of the Great Lakes while American fishing boats freely fished the waters?
Can you imagine some pinhead in the US telling us we have to subsidize American and Mexican farmers?
And yet you think Britain should remain in the EU? Britain got sucked in with a bait and switch. They thought they were joining a European free trade bloc but instead were basically forced to surrender their sovereignty to some bobbleheads in Brussels that not one single British citizen voted for.
 

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Obama is an asset of Global Trading and Financial Cartels, which are Imperial in character and whose mortal enemy in the sovereign nation state.

The cartels know that supranational organizations, like the EU, WTO, NAFTA, TPP, allow them to play one nation off against the other and completely subvert any comprehensive, integrated national industrial development based on tariffs, government investment in infrastructure, and progressive taxation regimes.. with the objective of full and fairly compensated employment, and, social equity.

The Free Trade, Free Market paradigm's profit equation DEMANDS a desparate, subjegated labour force.. without options or a political voice.

Obama is a failed President (one of an an uniterrupted litany of mediocrities in the Oval Office for the last 50 years). So who cares what this little fart with his increasingly small stick have to say.

It's not surprising that as America's moral voice has become weak, compromised and coopted.. their Presidents no longer talk softly, but resort to loud threats and bullying to get their way.
 
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Obama is an asset of Global Trading and Financial Cartels, which are Imperial in character and whose mortal enemy in the sovereign nation state.

The cartels know that supranational organizations, like the EU, WTO, NAFTA, TPP, allow them to play one nation off against the other and completely subvert any comprehensive, integrated national industrial development based on tariffs, government investment in infrastructure, and progressive taxation regimes.. with the objective of full and fairly compensated employment, and, social equity.

The Free Trade, Free Market paradigm's profit equation DEMANDS a desparate, subjegated labour force.. without options or a political voice.

Obama is a failed President (one of an an uniterrupted litany of mediocrities in the Oval Office for the last 50 years). So who cares what this little fart with his increasingly small stick have to say.

It's not surprising that as America's moral voice has become weak, compromised and coopted.. their Presidents no longer talk softly, but resort to loud threats and bullying to get their way.
and don't fo get it biotch
 

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If Great Britain wants to be taken seriously it could always become the 51st state.
 

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Considering Germany and Britain are the only two countries left in Europe who's economies are worth a sh*t, Britain leaving would hurt the EU quite a bit. That's why they've even resorted to various forms of blackmail to try and force Britain to remain.
Christ, British anglers can't even fish their own waters anymore, while Continental fishing fleets vacuum up fish stocks in the Channel and North Sea.
Can you imagine some pinhead in the US telling us we can't fish on our side of the Great Lakes while American fishing boats freely fished the waters?
Can you imagine some pinhead in the US telling us we have to subsidize American and Mexican farmers?
And yet you think Britain should remain in the EU? Britain got sucked in with a bait and switch. They thought they were joining a European free trade bloc but instead were basically forced to surrender their sovereignty to some bobbleheads in Brussels that not one single British citizen voted for.

Newfies can't catch a lobster in their own water for personal consumption legally.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: U.S. Office of Trade Official Contradicts Obama – ‘UK NOT Too Small To Have Free Trade Deal With America’


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by Raheem Kassam
22 Apr 2016
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A U.S. Customs and Border Protection official working within the Office of International Trade in the United States has issued a stunning rebuke to U.S. President Barack Obama and his trade official Michael Froman by insisting that the United Kingdom is not too small to have free trade agreement (FTA) with the United States.

In recent weeks and months, President Obama and his staff have issued statements urging Britain to stay in the European Union (EU) insisting that they will only form a free trade agreement with a large bloc like the European Union.

But Breitbart London can reveal exclusively an e-mail from the body that implements America’s free trade deals with the world: the Office of International Trade, which states:

“This is the first time I’ve heard of the assertion that the UK is too small to have an FTA with the US… clearly the UK is not too small to have an FTA with the US if we have one with Oman.”

The official stressed: “Do be advised that FTAs are negotiated by the Executive Branch of the U.S., specifically by the United States Trade Representative (USTR) at the behest of the President”.

The e-mail therefore reveals that while Britain is not too small to have a free trade agreement with the United States, the policy of failing to want to implement one if Britain were to leave the European Union may be more of an ideological point impressed by President Obama.

Today Mr. Obama came under pressure from British journalists who asked whether or not a trade deal with the UK could happen. Mr. Obama softened his position, stating that Britain would be at the “back of the queue” as regards trade deals.

In October last year Mr. Froman said: “I think it’s absolutely clear that Britain has a greater voice at the trade table being part of the EU, being part of a larger economic entity… We’re not particularly in the market for FTAs with individual countries. We’re building platforms … that other countries can join over time.”

It was later revealed that Mr. Froman had himself worked for the European Commission.


EXCLUSIVE: U.S. Office of Trade Official Contradicts Obama –Â*'UK NOT Too Small To Have Free Trade Deal With America'


EXCLUSIVE – Sen. Cruz Slams Obama On Brexit: ‘Prez Should Make It An Opportunity To Strengthen Special Relationship’


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Republican candidate Senator Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) has slammed U.S. President Barack Obama’s comments on Britain leaving the European Union (EU) today, telling Breitbart London exclusively that the President should look to make ‘Brexit’ an opportunity rather than doing down the chances of Britain getting a free trade deal with the United States.

Earlier today President Obama spoke alongside pro-EU Prime Minister David Cameron, telling journalists that he would push Britain to the “back of the queue” for a free trade deal with the country’s strongest global ally if they opted to leave the EU.

But Mr. Obama’s comments were swiftly rebuked by officials in his own administration, as well as being held up as suspect by members of the Westminster political classes.

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Obama threatens to send Britain to "back of the queue". Who in USA says queue? No one. Line drafted by Number 10. Briefing against Britain.

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Sen. Ted Cruz hit back, and in a statement to Breitbart London, the Republican candidate for president said: “President Obama’s comments today are typical of his administration, which began by returning the bust of Winston Churchill from the Oval Office.

“Rather than scolding our closest allies for even considering exercising their rights as a sovereign nation, the President of the United States should look for ways to make Brexit, if it happens, an opportunity to enhance and strengthen the special relationship between our two countries.”


In late 2015 the once European Commission employee Michael Froman, now President Obama’s trade spokesman, said that the USA would not be in the market for a free trade deal with the UK.

But even Mr. Obama today acknowledged that the TTIP free trade deal with the European Union was a long way from concluded, leading campaigners to believe that Brexit could even lead to Britain getting a free trade deal with America first.

Sen. Cruz’s comments come as President Obama dines with Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge at Kensington Palace.

Mr. Obama visited with Her Majesty the Queen at Windsor Castle today, as well as holding a joint press conference with Prime Minister David Cameron at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in Westminster.


EXCLUSIVE –Â*Sen. Cruz Slams Obama On Brexit: 'Prez Should Make It An Opportunity To Strengthen Special Relationship'
 
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To counteract what Obama has said - that Britain would be at the "back of the queue" ("queue" being, suspiciously, a very British word) over trade deals with the US in the event of Brexit (it's funny how America didn't have Britain at the back of the queue when it came to Afghanistan and Iraq) - Boris and the Leave camp really need to get across to the British public that staying in the EU means getting involved in TTIP and that that would likely be bad for Britain and the EU and more beneficial to America (a recent poll shows the vast majority of German voters are against TTIP). That's what the Leave camp really need to do now to get back onto the front foot (that's if, of course, Barry's intervention has actually provided a boost to the Remain camp, as the media are trying to have us believe, and not the Leave camp. Upcoming polls will tell us).

The Leave camp also need to now get across to the British public that the EU itself has NEVER had a trade deal with America, and neither did Britain before it joined what is now the EU in 1973. Yet trade between the EU and the US, and British trade with America – with whom we have no trade deal – has grown, whereas British trade with the EU, despite the single market, has fallen. It's not trade agreements which matter, but trade itself.

So the Leave camp now need to put all these fact very much into the public arena and that will completely destroy all the comments Barry made.

Trade deals are red herrings in the EU debate




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Barack Obama was fierce on the subject of trade deals should Britain choose to leave the EU Credit: Justin Tallis/AFP


In this EU referendum campaign, the odd idea has spread that a trade deal matters above everything. The BBC gleefully trumpets its interview with President Obama on Sunday, in which he says that it might take five or 10 years for an independent Britain to secure a trade deal with the United States. It pays no attention to why he thinks this. It is because the EU itself does not have a trade deal with the United States. It is very slowly negotiating one – the highly controversial Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP). So Mr Obama speaks of a “queue”.

The EU has never yet, in its history, had a trade deal with America. Nor, before we joined the EEC (as it then was) in 1973, did Britain. Yet trade between the EU and the US, and British trade with America – with whom we have no trade deal – has grown, whereas British trade with the EU, despite the single market, has fallen. Doesn’t this suggest that what matters is not any trade agreement, but trade itself?

At school, I remember a question in a history exam: ' “Trade follows the flag.” Discuss.’ Those who tell you that it does think that trade is created by politicians and diplomats. The rest of us know that trade is usually the first exchange between different peoples, places and nations. Of course, trade deals can help – and it is a lasting stain upon both the EU and the US that protectionists on both sides have still not clinched a deal nearly 60 years after the Treaty of Rome was signed. But it is plain fact that both parties manage without one. So would Britain outside the EU.

Why should euro-officials pay less tax?


By far the best book setting out all European issues in topical form, is Why Leave? by Daniel Hannan, well known to readers of this paper. Hannan is crisp about how the interests of the above class are looked after in the Brussels set-up. More than a thousand EU officials earn more than David Cameron, and all officials working in EU institutions are exempt from national taxation. They pay a special EU income tax of 21 per cent. This rate is flat, so the richer you are, the better. British euro-officials who would have a top rate of 45 per cent here therefore pay less than half that.

The pensions are equally marvellous. A group of Eurosceptic peers, led by Lord Fairfax of Cameron, have noticed something strange in the interpretation of the House of Lords rules. Peers must declare financial interests, but the Lords authorities have decreed that peers with euro-pensions need not declare them. This is strange, because the rules state that pensions should be declared if “conditions are attached to the continuing receipt of the pension that a reasonable member of the public might regard as likely to influence their conduct as parliamentarians”.

There is such a condition with EU pensions. Article 213(2) of the Treaty of Rome says that members of the Commission must give “a solemn undertaking” to “respect the obligations arising” from their duties. They can be deprived of their pension by the Court of Justice if they do not respect those obligations “during or after their term of office”. Given the political nature of the Court, former Commissioners are most unlikely to dare to attack the Commission. No one is suggesting that pro-EU Lords Mandelson, Kinnock, Patten, Tugendhat, etc, are influenced by such base considerations, but they should surely, like other people receiving large sums, remind their House who pays them.




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Obama was right: Britain now at the back of the queue on trade

Oh well, give the people what they want and all that.


Barack Obama was right - Britain WILL be at the back of the queue after Brexit, says US Ambassador

Barack Obama was right: the UK will be at the back of the queue for trade deals with the US now it is leaving the EU, the American Ambassador to Britain has said.

Reacting to the EU referendum result, Ambassador Matthew Barzun said President Obama had been right to issue his warning about the consequences of Brexit in April.

Mr Barzun told BBC Radio 4’s Desert Island Discs: “The tone in which it was said, there was nothing punitive about it.


“The point was, you are at the front of the queue right now – he [Obama] was saying back in April – because we are doing this big trade deal with the European Union, [The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)] of which you are a member.

“But if you step out of the front of the queue, by definition you are no longer at the front, and some notion that you can jump further ahead: you just want to say that is not the trend for the types of big deals we are doing these days.”

Mr Barzun’s repeat of Mr Obama’s back of the queue warning comes after the Vote Leave campaign went into the EU referendum insisting that Brexit would mean: “We will gain the power to strike our own trade deals.

“We can speak for ourselves and sign new deals with countries all over the world, creating new jobs and new investment opportunities.”

This was despite the comments of Mr Obama when he visited Downing Street in April.

Barack Obama was right - Britain WILL be at the back of the queue after Brexit, says US Ambassador | UK Politics | News | The Independent
 

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Re: Obama was right: Britain now at the back of the queue on trade

Did you know that British trade with America is growing, despite the two countries not having a free trade agreement, and that British trade with the EU is shrinking?

The fact of the matter is that you don't need a free trade agreement to trade. Britain and America have been trading with each other since America was just a motley group of British colonies.

As for the article, it comes from The Independent, so I'm not going to take it too seriously.