Libertarians are dumb

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No more gubmint derpity derp derp


'Freedom and liberty' not enough to save Galt's Gulch Chile libertarian community from bureaucracy and internal dissent

Jeff Berwick values “freedom and liberty” and that, he says, makes him an anarchist libertarian. He wears the label proudly. So do his devoted followers, men and women who share his profound distrust of government. “Anyone who wants to see a very free world does not want government,” says the 43-year-old Edmonton native. “I also don’t like being extorted or being aggressed against by others.”

He doesn’t much care for Canada, either. “There aren’t many countries in the world less free,” declares the libertarian guru. North Korea, Cuba, Belarus, the U.S.: That’s about it. Aggressive statism was a big reason he quit Canada in 2003. After losing a fortune in the 2000-01 technologies stock crash, Mr. Berwick sold the Vancouver-based Internet-based financial news service he had founded, embraced “anarcho-capitalism” and then left.

A few years ago he landed in Chile, where, an hour’s drive west of Santiago, he was shown a kind of paradise, an agricultural setting in which a community free of convention and state interference would be built. Or so he thought, and promoted as such.

Mr. Berwick and two partners called their community Galt’s Gulch Chile (GGC), a nod to that freedom-seeking character and enclave depicted in Atlas Shrugged, the classic libertarian novel by Ayn Rand. The partnership secured land, sketched out designs, subdivisions and property lots, and then sold the heck out of it to freedom-starved folk up north. Some forked over tens of thousands of dollars for a slice a freedom they would never see.

What was supposed to be an unfettered freedom place became a real estate debacle, and, in the words of one observer, “another dumb gringo story.” GGC is now tied up in knots, thanks to internecine bickering and a bungled approach to Chilean laws and local requirements, including zoning permits, water rights and property title. The founding partnership has fractured, with each party threatening to run to the courts — the dreaded state apparatus — for redress.

The ironies aren’t lost on anyone: Bureaucracies and internal dissent reduced a libertarian idyll to pixie dust. Allegations of fraud, rumours of skulduggery started swirling last month. This week, investors told the National Post they’ve been left in the dark. And they want their money back.

'Freedom and liberty' not enough to save Galt's Gulch Chile libertarian community from bureaucracy and internal dissent
 

Bar Sinister

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No more gubmint derpity derp derp


'Freedom and liberty' not enough to save Galt's Gulch Chile libertarian community from bureaucracy and internal dissent

Jeff Berwick values “freedom and liberty” and that, he says, makes him an anarchist libertarian. He wears the label proudly. So do his devoted followers, men and women who share his profound distrust of government. “Anyone who wants to see a very free world does not want government,” says the 43-year-old Edmonton native. “I also don’t like being extorted or being aggressed against by others.”

He doesn’t much care for Canada, either. “There aren’t many countries in the world less free,” declares the libertarian guru. North Korea, Cuba, Belarus, the U.S.: That’s about it. Aggressive statism was a big reason he quit Canada in 2003. After losing a fortune in the 2000-01 technologies stock crash, Mr. Berwick sold the Vancouver-based Internet-based financial news service he had founded, embraced “anarcho-capitalism” and then left.

A few years ago he landed in Chile, where, an hour’s drive west of Santiago, he was shown a kind of paradise, an agricultural setting in which a community free of convention and state interference would be built. Or so he thought, and promoted as such.

Mr. Berwick and two partners called their community Galt’s Gulch Chile (GGC), a nod to that freedom-seeking character and enclave depicted in Atlas Shrugged, the classic libertarian novel by Ayn Rand. The partnership secured land, sketched out designs, subdivisions and property lots, and then sold the heck out of it to freedom-starved folk up north. Some forked over tens of thousands of dollars for a slice a freedom they would never see.

What was supposed to be an unfettered freedom place became a real estate debacle, and, in the words of one observer, “another dumb gringo story.” GGC is now tied up in knots, thanks to internecine bickering and a bungled approach to Chilean laws and local requirements, including zoning permits, water rights and property title. The founding partnership has fractured, with each party threatening to run to the courts — the dreaded state apparatus — for redress.

The ironies aren’t lost on anyone: Bureaucracies and internal dissent reduced a libertarian idyll to pixie dust. Allegations of fraud, rumours of skulduggery started swirling last month. This week, investors told the National Post they’ve been left in the dark. And they want their money back.

'Freedom and liberty' not enough to save Galt's Gulch Chile libertarian community from bureaucracy and internal dissent
Galt's Gulch? Well, at least Berwick chose an appropriate name for the hole he dug for himself.
 

mentalfloss

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I don't know why people think Libertarianism is a good thing.

You can only get it to work on unlimited resources.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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I don't know why people think Libertarianism is a good thing.

You can only get it to work on unlimited resources.
Depends on what you mean by "work." There's plenty of libertarian countries in the world. Somalia springs to mind.

Funny how the Gawd-fearin', hard-workin', freedom-lovin' libertarians of Europe and North America never seem to want to go there.
 

tay

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Those who claim to be Libertarians and want governments out of their lives (read no rules, laws, regulations, taxes etc.,) are true hypocrites.

There are very few people who actually live a truly Libertarian lifestyle and they aren't the ones promoting it but quietly doing their own thing ......
 

Cannuck

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Those who claim to be Libertarians and want governments out of their lives (read no rules, laws, regulations, taxes etc.,) are true hypocrites.

There are very few people who actually live a truly Libertarian lifestyle and they aren't the ones promoting it but quietly doing their own thing ......

People need to stop seeing the world in black and white.
 

taxslave

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Those who claim to be Libertarians and want governments out of their lives (read no rules, laws, regulations, taxes etc.,) are true hypocrites.

There are very few people who actually live a truly Libertarian lifestyle and they aren't the ones promoting it but quietly doing their own thing ......

Since the alternative is more big brother government e have now
 

damngrumpy

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No laws rules and regulations eh? As soon as the freedom seeking folk realized
they were duped they sure lined up at the courts to count on those laws rules and
regulations. The hood streets in many US Urban locations are libertarian after
dark go there
 

Cannuck

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No laws rules and regulations eh? As soon as the freedom seeking folk realized
they were duped they sure lined up at the courts to count on those laws rules and
regulations. The hood streets in many US Urban locations are libertarian after
dark go there

People that want no rules and regulations are just as dumb as people like Flossy that want to over regulate.
 

taxslave

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There are not really that many that want no rules. There are lots that want more rules since there is good money in making and enforcing rules. We call them bureaucraps.
 

Dixie Cup

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Why Libertarians Are Idiots (I don't necessarily agree with this opinion.)



This definition is why I call myself a "libertarian" although I also consider myself a "conservative". Guess I'm a bit of both.


The libertarian or “classical liberal” perspective is that individual well-being, prosperity, and social harmony are fostered by “as much liberty as possible” and “as little government as necessary.”


Just because humans are - well human, we absolutely need some form of government and laws but again, being "human" means that often times we get way more than necessary because it either is to someone's advantage OR it makes people "feel good" to be able to control others.


Incidentally, this guy is a moron!!


JMHO
 

CDNBear

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Flossy's so butthurt he had to dig up a year old article because he thinks I'm a libertarian now.

Oh you're so much fun Flossy, LMAO!
 

JLM

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That's nice



No. You call them bureaucraps...but that's only because you can't come up with any credible alternatives so silly names is the best you can do


Taxslave has it right, you have it dead wrong as usual! (But if you want to persist in being a twit, that's your business) :) :)