Venezuela Socialist Thrashed In Elections

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They will need them now then the School of Americas has a foothold in the area again. Watch things go from bad to worse and then a newer and bigger revolt will end the meddling for good.

Your own thread, this must be like a wet dream for you ES.
 

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Somebody should keep stats on the disappeared this time, you know so it can be shown how much improvement is taking place now that the sanctions can be lifted, although the goods will now cost the same as the value of the oil in the ground that is a small price to pay in exchange for toilet paper.
 

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Somebody should keep stats on the disappeared this time, you know so it can be shown how much improvement is taking place now that the sanctions can be lifted, although the goods will now cost the same as the value of the oil in the ground that is a small price to pay in exchange for toilet paper.
Please post a link about the Venezuelan disappeared.
 

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So I cannot find out who is the noob now that Maduro is out. Freakin Brit news will not specify but Brit news is covering the first page of results in google. Maybe this Jesus Torrealba dude?
 

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Please post a link about the Venezuelan disappeared.
With pleasure.

School of Americas
The School of the Americas (SOA) has been given other names -- "School for Dictators", "School of Assassins", and "Nursery of Death Squads". And, countries with the worst human rights records send the most soldiers to the School.


Countries / Graduates (since 1946)

Argentina / 931
Bolivia / 4,049
Brazil / 355
Chile / 2,405
Colombia / 8,679
Costa Rica / 2,376
Dominican Republic / 2,330
Ecuador / 2,356
El Salvador / 6,776
Guatemala / 1,676
Honduras / 3,691
Nicaragua / 4,693
Panama / 4,235
Paraguay / 1,084
Peru / 3,997
Uruguay / 931
Venezuela / 3,250

When they return to their home countries, graduates of the SOA hold a rather unique and peculiar view of their countrymen. They look upon priests, social workers, journalists, and liberal intellectuals, not as assets to their societies, but as dangerous subversives, working to undermine the system that keeps these soldiers, army officers, and their sponsors in power.

Graduates of the SOA have been among the most repressive tyrants in Latin America, and their actions have been some of the most cruel and violent. In El Salvador, in 1989, a Salvadoran army patrol executed six Jesuit priests as they lay face-down on the ground at Central America University. According to the United Nation's Truth Commission Report on El Salvador in 1993, 19 of the 27 officers who took part in the executions were trained at the SOA.

In 1990, in El Salvador, populist Archbishop Oscar Romero was assassinated. Three-quarters of the Salvadoran officers implicated in the killing were trained at the SOA. Roberto D'Aubuison, the late leader of El Salvador's Death Squad, was implicated in the plot to assassinate Archbishop Romero. He also participated in numerous murders, including a massacre in the village of El Mazote, where more than 900 men, women, and children were killed. He graduated from SOA as well.


The U.N. Truth Commission's statistics reveal the extent of the School's murderous role in El Salvador .


Romero assassination 3 officers cited --- 2 were SOA graduates
Murder of US nuns 5 officers cited --- 3 were SOA graduates
Union leader murders 3 officers cited --- 3 were SOA graduates
El Junquillo massacre 3 officers cited --- 2 were SOA graduates
El Mazote massacre 12 officers cited --- 10 were SOA graduates
Dutch journalist murders 1 officer cited --- he was an SOA graduate
Las Hojas massacre 6 officers cited --- 3 were SOA graduates
San Sebastian massacre 7 officers cited --- 6 were SOA graduates
Jesuit massacre 26 officers cited --- 19 were SOA graduates

In other Latin American countries, graduates of the SOA have been equally prominent enemies of human rights. Former dictators Omar Torrijos of Panama, Guillermo Rodriguez of Ecuador, and Juan Velasco Alvarado of Peru, all overthrew constitutionally elected governments in their countries. Leopoldo Galtieri, the former head of the Argentina junta defeated in the Falklands War, was responsible for thousands of "disappeared" citizens who supported freedom and democracy in Argentina, and paid the ultimate price with their lives. He was an SOA graduate.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_for_Security_Cooperation
Criticism of WHINSEC

Human rights violations by graduates

WHINSEC has been criticized for human rights violations committed by former students.[1][31][32]
According to the Center for International Policy, "The School of the Americas had been questioned for years, as it trained many military personnel before and during the years of the 'national security doctrine' – the dirty war years in the Southern Cone and the civil war years in Central America – in which the armed forces within several Latin American countries ruled or had disproportionate government influence and committed serious human rights violations in those countries."[citation needed] SOA and WHINSEC graduates continue to surface in news reports regarding both current human rights cases and new reports.
Defenders argue that today the curriculum includes human rights,[33] but according to Human Rights Watch, "training alone, even when it includes human rights instruction, does not prevent human rights abuses."[31]
WHINSEC has said "that no school should be held accountable for the actions of its graduates."[33]
SOA Watch

Main article: School of the Americas Watch
Since 1990, Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit human rights organization School of the Americas Watch has worked to monitor graduates of the institution and to close the former SOA, now WHINSEC, through legislative action, grassroots organizing and nonviolent direct action.[34] It maintains a database with graduates of both the SOA and WHINSEC who have been accused of human rights violations and other criminal activity.[35] In regard to the renaming of the institution, SOA Watch claims that the approach taken by the Department of Defense is not grounded in any critical assessment of the training, procedures, performance, or results (consequences) of the training programs of the SOA. According to critics of the SOA, the name change ignores congressional concern and public outcry over the SOA's past and present link to human rights atrocities.[36]
Protests and public demonstrations

Since 1990, SOA Watch has sponsored an annual public demonstration of protest of SOA/WHINSEC at Ft. Benning. In 2005, the demonstration drew 19,000 people. The protests are timed to coincide with the anniversary of the assassination of six Jesuit priests in El Salvador on November 1989 by graduates of the School of the Americas.[37] On November 16, 1989, six Jesuit priests (Ignacio Ellacuria, Segundo Montes, Ignacio Martin-Baro, Joaquin López y López, Juan Ramon Moreno, and Amado López); their housekeeper, Elba Ramos; and her daughter, Celia Marisela Ramos, were murdered by the Salvadoran Military on the campus of the University of Central America in San Salvador, El Salvador, because they had been labeled as subversives by the government.[38] A United Nations panel concluded that nineteen of the 27 killers were SOA graduates.[39]
Graduates of the School of the Americas

"The U.S. Army School of the Americas is a school that has run more dictators than any other school in the history of the world."
— Congressman Joseph P. Kennedy II[40]
A number of graduates of the SOA and WHINSEC have been accused of human rights violations and criminal activity in their home countries.[41] In August 2007, according to an Associated Press report, Colonel Alberto Quijano of the Colombian army's Special Forces was arrested for providing security and mobilizing troops for Diego León Montoya Sánchez (aka "Don Diego"), the leader of the Norte del Valle Cartel and one of the FBI's 10 most-wanted criminals. School of the Americas Watch said in a statement that it matched the names of those in the scandal with its database of attendees at the institute. Alberto Quijano attended courses and was an instructor who taught classes on peacekeeping operations and democratic sustainment at the school from 2003 to 2004.[42]
Other former students include members of the Atlacatl Battalion, responsible for the El Mozote massacre, and Franck Romain, former leader of the Tonton Macoute, responsible for the St Jean Bosco massacre.[43]
Critics of SOA Watch argue the connection is often misleading. According to Paul Mulshine, Roberto D'Aubuisson's sole link to the SOA is that he had taken a course in radio operations long before El Salvador's civil war began.[44]
Country Some of the graduates
Argentina Emilio Massera, Jorge Rafael Videla, Leopoldo Galtieri, Roberto Eduardo Viola
Bolivia Hugo Banzer Suárez, Luis Arce Gómez
Chile Raúl Iturriaga, Manuel Contreras
Ecuador Guillermo Rodríguez
El Salvador Roberto D'Aubuisson
Gambia President of the Gambia Yahya Jammeh
Guatemala Marco Antonio Yon Sosa[45]
Efraín Ríos Montt
Otto Pérez Molina[46]
Mexico The Zetas Cartel founders Heriberto 'The Executioner' Lazcano and Arturo 'Zeta One' Guzmán Decena[47][48][49]
Panama Manuel Noriega
Peru Vladimiro Montesinos, Juan Velasco Alvarado
There are more detailed articles if you need more to show that support for them is via the art of deception or you wouldn't have needed a link, you would have been able to supply them yourself Walter.

So I cannot find out who is the noob now that Maduro is out. Freakin Brit news will not specify but Brit news is covering the first page of results in google. Maybe this Jesus Torrealba dude?
You going to dig a bit to find out who pulls his strings??
 

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They will need them now then the School of Americas has a foothold in the area again. Watch things go from bad to worse and then a newer and bigger revolt will end the meddling for good.

Your own thread, this must be like a wet dream for you ES.

Not even the Ghost of Chavez could save Maduro and his thugs.

Here you are MHz.


 

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Your post says nothing of the disappeared of Venezuela.
Yes it does: 3,250. But then you would have had to read it.

How much did the CIA and the US government pour into that election to get their way. How many of the new henchmen are in training right now in the School of The Americas?

Smacks excitement reminds me of the East Indian guy in Short Circuit when he said, "I am standing here beside myself."
 

mentalfloss

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Man the salt must be rocky if we're moving to Venezuelan politics now.

What's next?


TRINIDAD AND TOBOGGAN OPPOSITION OUSTS PASTAFARIANS
 

MHz

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Your post says nothing of the disappeared of Venezuela.
You want a list similar to this one??
Chronological list of US murder toll: [under construction]
The murder toll has been achieved by either direct violence (e.g. the firebombing and nuking of Japan or the firebombing of Dresden) or indirect/proxy “low intensity conflict” (e.g. Rwanda in the 90s or Nicaragua in the 80s). (I have not here accounted for the deaths attributable to SAP.) Some extremely conservative estimates—

Native Americans (1776-2002): 4M
West Africans (1776-1865): 4M
Philippines (1898-1904): 600K
Germany (1945): 200K
Japan (1945): 900K
China (1945-60): 200K
Greece (1947-49): 100K
Korea (1951-53): 2M
Guatemala (1954-2002): 300K
Vietnam (1960-75): 2M
Laos (1965-73): 500K
Cambodia (1969-75): 1M
Indonesia (1965): 500K
Colombia (1966-2002): 500K
Oman (1970): 10K
Bangladesh (1971): 2M
Uganda (1971-1979): 200K
Chile (1973-1990): 20K
East Timor (1975): 200K
Angola (1975-2002): 1.5M
Argentina (1976-1979): 30K
Afghanistan (1978-2002): 1M
El Salvador (1980-95): 100K
Nicaragua (1980-90): 100K
Mozambique (1981-1988): 1M
Turkey (1984-2002): 50K
Rwanda (1990-1996): 1M
Iraq (1991-2002): 1M
Somalia (1991-1994): 300K
Yugoslavia (1991-2002): 300K
Liberia (1992-2002): 150K
Burundi (1993-1999): 200K
Sudan (1998): 100K
Congo (1998-2002): 3M


alrighty comrades
 

AnnaG

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Man the salt must be rocky if we're moving to Venezuelan politics now.

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TRINIDAD AND TOBOGGAN OPPOSITION OUSTS PASTAFARIANS
People get "salty" because a recent election somewhere hits the news?
oooooookaaaaay then

erm, MHz, what does that have to do with the election in Venezuela?
 

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That was the 'norm' before Hugo booted the US out. Be pretty easy to tell if the return to the old ways takes place or not. You never did come up with who supports the opposition as in the US and International Banks and Corporations.
 

AnnaG

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That was the 'norm' before Hugo booted the US out. Be pretty easy to tell if the return to the old ways takes place or not. You never did come up with who supports the opposition as in the US and International Banks and Corporations.
This is not an anti-US thread. It is a thread about the election results in Venezuela.
 

MHz

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Is it your opinion that the US isn't smarting over losing control of the place. Perhaps you should look at Cuba and Iran to see how the US acts when snubbed.


It's unclear what the opposition's policies are and how they might change the economy. Democratic Unity is a fragmented coalition of several smaller political parties.
The party hasn't laid out any specific plans for the economy other than saying that it plans on changing the constitution and "achieving a productive society." Democratic Unity didn't respond to CNNMoney's inquiry into its economic agenda.

Venezuela elections: Turning point for world's worst economy? - Dec. 7, 2015



When the IMF and Wall Street are putting in their 2 cents worth it does involve the US, covertly at that. The opposition party doesn't even have a platform as the IMF will be running the show from now on.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrique_Capriles_Radonski


After reading his bio there should be no doubt that he will listen to outsiders more than the citizens of the country. It won't take long to see if that is correct or not.
 

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Yes it does: 3,250. But then you would have had to read it.
You didn't even read your own post. Those folks graduated from a school they didn't disappear. You lefties are daft.

I'm breaking my rule by doing this, but do you mean "the Disappeared" as applied to Argentina or Chile? I know of no Venezuelan disappeared.
That's why I asked for a link and the dufus posted some other drivel about graduating from a school.
 
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