What nonsense are the American 'declinists' spouting about Britain now?

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Britain's global reach is further than ever before - though the doom-mongers may have a point when they criticise our defence spending

What nonsense are the American 'declinists' spouting about us now?




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By Christopher Meyer
04 Jun 2015
The Telegraph
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Sir Christopher Meyer was British Ambassador to the US and Germany and is now a senior associate fellow at RUSI


The hour of the Declinist is upon us – an American term for pundits who preach the inexorable decline of the US. Now they have swivelled their basilisk stare to Britain. This week, the American guru, Ian Bremmer, said: “Britain’s greatest global influence today has fallen to what The Economist manages to write every week”.

Before him, Fareed Zakaria, another US heavyweight, claimed that “Britain had essentially resigned as a global power”. These are not isolated voices. There has been a chorus of lamentation about Britain’s disengaging from the world.

I have to go back to the Seventies to recall a time when our international standing was as open to question as it is today. Then, it was almost a humiliation for a young diplomat like me to represent Britain. The country was wracked by industrial unrest, double-digit inflation and a tumbling currency. Greek style, we had to go cap-in-hand to the IMF.

There is something perversely eccentric about the declinist picture of Britain today. The UK economy of 2015 cannot be remotely compared to 40 years ago. We out-perform most advanced Western economies. The UK attracts prodigious quantities of investment from abroad, with London a pivot of the global economy.



Money is as much part of a nation’s hard power as military might. But there are other ways of measuring a country’s global influence. Britain’s soft power is formidable, beginning with our language. People want to be educated, and to do business, in the Anglophone world. With around a fifth of secondary students at private schools in Britain coming from overseas; and even higher percentages at our universities, the footprint abroad of British values and influence is incalculable. The notion that we are becoming little Englanders is absurd.

But this is not enough for the declinists. Britain, they say, has lost the will and ability to exert diplomatic and military muscle around the world. Much is made of our absence from the front rank of European diplomacy after Russia’s assault on Ukraine. Others point to Parliament’s rejection of Cameron’s wish to intervene in Syria in 2013. Had the West got involved, they argue, then the opposition to Assad would have prevailed and Isil would never have come into being. But the opposition was never a coherent force. Had we – rashly, stupidly – put boots on the ground, our comrades-in-arms would have been the various Al-Qaeda off-shoots, including Isil itself, the unintended offspring of the US/UK invasion of Iraq in 2003. Worse, we would have inserted ourselves into the wider civil war across the Middle East between the Shia and Sunni.




The doom-mongers are on more solid ground when it comes to defence and the Government’s refusal to commit to spending the Nato target of 2 per cent of GDP. But this is only one manifestation of a much deeper problem in our foreign and security policy. In the last five years there has been no discernible strategy. We bomb Isil in Iraq, but not in Syria. In 2011 we rushed aircraft to Libya to protect Benghazi from Gaddafi’s vengeful troops. Then, we helped topple Gadaffi. The result is a failed state, with an Isil presence, that has infected the entire Sahel to the south and bids fair to do likewise to Europe in the north.

It all went wrong with the Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) of 2010. This should have been a top-to-bottom review of national security. Instead we got a thinly disguised cost-cutting exercise, which has led to grossly under-resourced diplomacy and armed forces, with international aid inexplicably enjoying a permanent stairway to fiscal heaven.

There will be another SDSR this year. It will be an opportunity to put right the incoherence of the last one. It is high time the Department for International Development were placed under the authority of the Foreign Secretary where it used to belong. The legislation that guarantees aid comprise 0.7 per cent of GDP should be repealed and the money cut back to bilateral projects over which the UK has direct budgetary control. The savings should be apportioned between the Foreign Office and MoD.

The next SDSR should also have something useful to say about intervention abroad. The last time this was done was in 1999 by Tony Blair in Chicago. It is the great unresolved debate of foreign policy. It lies at the heart of declinist disaffection with us. This yearns less for the now-discredited liberal interventionism of Tony Blair, more for Margaret Thatcher’s robust view of the national interest. It puts a premium on rigorous analysis and clear thinking. Read her famous speech made in Bruges in 1988 about Britain’s relationship with Europe, a masterpiece of strategic coherence, as pertinent today as then.

Extrapolating a mega-trend from a brief interlude is usually a fool’s errand. Twenty-five years ago gurus feared the econonomic eclipse of the US by Japan. As predictions go, this was as bad as it gets. If the Government can only deploy a stiff dose of Thatcherian rigour to the approaching SDSR, it will consign the Bremmers and Zakarias to the same dustbin of history.


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damngrumpy

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Britain passed the mantle of power to win the Battle of Britain and America
used it to their advantage to usurp the power of the west from Britain and France.
The only time Britain will be counted is if there is another major conflict. In that
event we're not even sure who's side they would be on.
The problem is Britain was a colonial power and allowed the subjugated peoples
to become British Citizens. In so doing they made the same mistake that in the
end collapsed Rome.
The west is in difficulty because it adopted multiculturalism as well as open
immigration. The fact is Merkle of Germany is right multiculturalism does not work
in a broad sense of the word. I agree with immigration from other areas and
cultures but there must be a single Canadian thread holding it together
 

Curious Cdn

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Britain is just another ethnic enclave in the E.U., now. It will be turned into a National Park by the minions in Brussels, some day.

Forget Airstrip One.
 

EagleSmack

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Britain passed the mantle of power to win the Battle of Britain and America
used it to their advantage to usurp the power of the west from Britain and France.


da faq?


The west is in difficulty because it adopted multiculturalism as well as open
immigration. The fact is Merkle of Germany is right multiculturalism does not work
in a broad sense of the word. I agree with immigration from other areas and
cultures but there must be a single Canadian thread holding it together


Oh ... please tell us again how left leaning Americans would be far right Canadians again.


I get a kick out of it... especially from you.
 

Blackleaf

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Britain is just another ethnic enclave in the E.U., now.

It won't be after the EU in/out referendum.

Briddish influence has been in a death spiral ever since this...


Rubbish. British power was at its zenith in the late 19th century, 100 years after that war in which we won most of the battles. The British Empire was at its greatest extent in the 1920s.
 

Machjo

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Britain passed the mantle of power to win the Battle of Britain and America
used it to their advantage to usurp the power of the west from Britain and France.
The only time Britain will be counted is if there is another major conflict. In that
event we're not even sure who's side they would be on.
The problem is Britain was a colonial power and allowed the subjugated peoples
to become British Citizens. In so doing they made the same mistake that in the
end collapsed Rome.
The west is in difficulty because it adopted multiculturalism as well as open
immigration. The fact is Merkle of Germany is right multiculturalism does not work
in a broad sense of the word. I agree with immigration from other areas and
cultures but there must be a single Canadian thread holding it together

Ah the myth of a common culture. Prior to confederation, Northern North America was bursting with over fifty different languages and culrures.
New France favored French Immigration. British North America favored British immigration. This set the stage for what was to come. After Confederation, within the first mandate of Sir John A. MacDonald, the residential school system was formed which was to last until 1996 and immigration policy continued to discriminate in favour of British immigration until the 1960's. His Government had also introduced the Indian Act and the Chinese Exclusion Act. After WWI the Germans and Ukrainians lost their right to send their children to school in their languages.

During WWII we had Japanese internment. It's no surprise therefore that Canadian culture was homogenized enough by the 1960's to introduce the Official Languages Act and establish the myth of "two founding races." Truth be told, Canada is probably more culturally homogenous today than it's been throughout its past history. Sure there are now people from a wider range of races, but they are far more assimilated into English and French culture today than ever before.

As late as the 1930's, Wawa was used as a lingua franca in some rural parts of British Columbia and even Seattle, between English, French, Chinese, and indigenous peooles.
 

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A few years from now and you'll be eclipsed by China. Your reign as top dog hasn't lasted anywhere near as long as Britain's.
Still fun watching you and yours circle the drain. As I've said before, your forefathers bestrode the planet. How on earth did their descendants become such drooling defectives?
 

Blackleaf

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How on earth did their descendants become such drooling defectives?

That happened when lefty bleeding heart liberals took over the running of the country and started to dismantle the empire which brought benefits to humanity around the world.