US Christians ‘bankrolling’ NO campaign in Ireland

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With just five days to go before Ireland’s historic referendum on the legalisation of gay marriage, a bitter row has broken out between supporters and opponents over the funding of their respective campaigns. Supporters of a yes vote have accused opponents of a lack of transparency over finances and of accepting funding from rightwing Christian groups in the US.


Ireland’s referendum is the only one in the world where a national electorate is being asked to legalise gay marriage. If it is passed on Friday, gay couples will have the right under the state’s constitution to marry. At present only civil partnerships are recognised in law. Marriage equality would provide full rights of inheritance as well as the right to adopt children – the latter being the most contentious issue of the campaign. A yes vote would also mark yet another defeat for the Catholic church and the political power it used to wield in Ireland.


The yes campaign says its opponents have a huge advantage in terms of resources for buying billboard and poster space and have spent tens of thousands of euros in the last few weeks alone. Now no campaigners have booked full-page advertisements to appear later this week in dozens of regional Irish papers, calling on voters to reject incorporating the right for gay couples to marry into the republic’s constitution.


One of the no side’s strongest supporters in the US is the lavishly funded National Organisation for Marriage (NOM). In a letter to supporters around the world, it has urged evangelical Christians to visit keepmarriage.org, which is campaigning for a no vote.


“Just like in campaigns for marriage here in America,” the letter says, “slanted public opinion polls become fodder to influence and depress supporters of marriage. This is happening in Ireland. If [the no campaign] can manage to pull off a victory, it will be a tremendous boost to the cause of marriage worldwide. Please do what you can to bring awareness to their efforts.”




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Whinge, whinge, whinge. Bloody whingeing lefties again. I bet they wouldn't be complaining had they been bankrolling the YES campaign.

Expect the NO campaign to win in that staunchly Catholic country. It's also a shame that we in Britain had gay marriage foisted on us by Cameron's Coalition rather than the public being allowed to decide like the Bogtrotters. I'm sure the British people would have voted against gay marriage. Even most queers are against it.
 

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Ireland ain't all that Catholic these days. I speak as somebody who's been there more than you and knows it better.


I don't want to go to Ireland. There's nothing there to go for.

However, to say that some Yank who lives thousands of miles away from Paddyland knows more about it than a Briton who lives right next door to it is, frankly, ludicrous. Most Yanks can't even find Ireland on a map.
 

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:roll:............A "bitter row" in Ireland. Hard to believe.........

Jist offn the top o me head, I'd be bettin on the No bunch.

Got no Kerry Blue in that fight.
 

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I don't want to go to Ireland. There's nothing there to go for.

However, to say that some Yank who lives thousands of miles away from Paddyland knows more about it than a Briton who lives right next door to it is, frankly, ludicrous. Most Yanks can't even find Ireland on a map.
Flawed thinking. "Most Yanks" don't know about Ireland, therefore this Yank don't know about Ireland.

The thinking of the classic bigot.
 

Blackleaf

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Flawed thinking. "Most Yanks" don't know about Ireland, therefore this Yank don't know about Ireland.

The thinking of the classic bigot.

You don't know much about anything, never mind an alien land thousands of miles away which most Americans have never heard of.
 

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You don't know much about anything, never mind an alien land thousands of miles away which most Americans have never heard of.
There are probably millions of Irish Americans living in the US, you silly twit because the Brits tried to starve them all to death with the potato famine - that little bit of nasty Briddish history that you right wingers try to forget in your whitewashing of your past.
 

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There are probably millions of Irish Americans living in the US,

The number of "Irish Americans" living in Yankeeland is greatly exaggerated due to the fact that a lot of bloody Yanks consider themselves to be "Irish American" just because their great-great-great-grandmother's second-cousin-three-times-removed's great-grandfather's uncle's cousin's daughter's niece's great-aunt's second-cousin had a grandmother whose niece's great-great-aunt's brother's cousin was half-Irish.

But, quite frankly, most "Irish Americans" know little about Ireland and her history and where she is situated on the globe and most Paddies laugh at St Paddy's Day celebrations in Yankeeland.


because the Brits tried to starve them all to death with the potato famine
The "Brits" - which included all Irish people in the 1840s - did not try to starve the Paddies to death during the potato fmaine. The potato famine was caused by a natural potato blight which struck throughout Europe.

that little bit of nasty Briddish history that you right wingers try to forget in your whitewashing of your past.
No. We say it as it actually happened, whereas you lot change the history of the Irish famine to give it a more anti-British but less historically accurate outlook.
 

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There are probably millions of Irish Americans living in the US, you silly twit because the Brits tried to starve them all to death with the potato famine - that little bit of nasty Briddish history that you right wingers try to forget in your whitewashing of your past.

And I thought that only Blackie was living in the past.......:roll:
 

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This reminds me of the thread about American democracy. We act as if all this voting is democratic. What could be more democratic than a single issue referendum? Why does it matter that one side of the issue has massive foreign funding? Do we assume that pouring money into a campaign will have undue influence on the electorate? It doesn't seem like any arguments in this thread can stand without that assumption. Or at least the assumption that money buys influence and that more money buys more influence. Seems to be the basic premise behind the argument that our democracies are actually plutocracies.
 

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This reminds me of the thread about American democracy. We act as if all this voting is democratic. What could be more democratic than a single issue referendum? Why does it matter that one side of the issue has massive foreign funding? Do we assume that pouring money into a campaign will have undue influence on the electorate? It doesn't seem like any arguments in this thread can stand without that assumption. Or at least the assumption that money buys influence and that more money buys more influence. Seems to be the basic premise behind the argument that our democracies are actually plutocracies.


Massive funding for one side during a rerefendum campaign is only "acceptable" when it's the side which the Left supports which is the one which is being massively funded.

We had similar whingeing during last year's Scottish independence referendum when it was revealed that the NO side were being hugely bankrolled. Had it been the YES side there would not have been so much hoopla.
 

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Massive funding for one side during a rerefendum campaign is only "acceptable" when it's the side which the Left supports which is the one which is being massively funded.

We had similar whingeing during last year's Scottish independence referendum when it was revealed that the NO side were being hugely bankrolled. Had it been the YES side there would not have been so much hoopla.

Do you have any examples of massive outside funding of left-supported causes?
 

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Your papist "red" is forgiven, Walter.

Why posters give a rat's pettoot about others simply posting facts is baffling.

But, such irascibility is a venial sin and easily absolved provided the sinner recites a heartfelt "Act of Contrition" and apologises to the offended party.
 

Blackleaf

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If the Paddies vote in favour of gay marriage then the Pope will excommunicate the whole of the Republic of Ireland.