Three EU dreams that have turned into nightmares

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The EU's greatest acts of make-believe in recent years - the single currency, its asylum policy, and Ukraine - are coming back to haunt it, says Christopher Booker

Three EU dreams that have turned into nightmares



Russian-backed separatists firing a mortar towards Ukrainian troops outside the village of Sanzharivka
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By Christopher Booker
21 Feb 2015
The Telegraph
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Three stories that were making daily headlines last week all had one very important thing in common. One was the shambles unfolding over Ukraine. The second was the ongoing shambles over Greece and the euro. The third was the ever-growing flood of refugees from Africa and the Middle East desperately trying to escape to safety in Europe.

Over Ukraine, I cannot recall any issue in my lifetime when the leaders of the West have got it so hopelessly wrong. We are treated to babyish comparisons of President Putin to Hitler or Stalin; we are also told that this crisis has only been brought about by Russia’s “expansionism”. But there was only one real trigger for this crisis – the urge of the EU continually to advance its borders and to expand its own empire, right into the heartland of Russian national identity: a “Europe” stretching, as David Cameron once hubristically put it, “from the Atlantic to the Urals”.

The “expansionism” that was the trouble was not Putin’s desire to welcome the Russians of Crimea back into the country to which they had formerly belonged; or to assist the Russians of eastern Ukraine in their determination not to be dragged by the corrupt government in Kiev they despised into the EU and Nato. It was that of an organisation founded on the naive belief that it could somehow abolish nationalism, but which finally ran up against an ineradicable sense of nationalism that could not simply be streamrollered out of existence. We poked the bear and it responded accordingly.

Another of the EU’s greatest acts of make-believe was that it could weld all Europe indissolubly together in the straitjacket of a single currency. This was a purely political dream, never in any way rooted in economic reality. The desperate Greeks, their lives and economy reduced to ruins, finally voted for a government that has pledged to put an end to all their misery; but at the same time somehow to cling on to the safety belt of the very thing which had caused it. As with Ukraine, the leaders of the EU are determined to preserve their fantasy intact, even though it is now more obviously than ever colliding with a reality that can allow no sensible outcome.


Despite being mocked by europhiles when the euro coins and banknotes were introduced on 1st January 2002, Britain's decision to stay out of the euro and keep the pound was a very wise one

The third self-serving EU dream that is now being horribly caught out is its asylum policy. Under the Lisbon Treaty, EU member states are bound to welcome asylum seekers. But under other rules, the legal responsibility for them lies with the country where they first enter the EU, which bankrupt countries such as Italy and Greece find impossible.

So, in flagrant defiance of the law, they try to wave on as many of this flood of newcomers as they can, to those richer northern countries, such as Germany, Sweden and Britain, where most of them in fact hope to end up. And so great are the pressures this dysfunctional policy is now imposing throughout Europe that there is no longer any common will to address a problem which, like those of Ukraine and the euro, seems to have become insuperable.

Three distinct fantasies are finally falling apart on those realities that the EU for so long seemed determined to ignore. From the Dream Stage through the Frustration Stage to the Nightmare Stage, the EU is going through that classic pattern which shapes any attempt to act out a fantasy. We haven’t yet reached that final Destruction Stage when the entire fantasy itself crumbles apart. But we are getting nearer.


Three EU dreams that have turned into nightmares - Telegraph
 
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The Commonwealth's economy overtook the Eurozone's in 2012.

Ukip need to get us off the Titanic before it fully sinks.

If I were British I would be in favor of withdrawal from the EU. It makes financial sense, and would restore full British sovereignty. The British public should realize the EU has made crucial mistakes that have transformed it into an overextended instrumentality of Germany.
 

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No surprise to me. The EU is a product of the fantasy of Global Free Market economics and the Euro of the principle of monetarism.. which commodifies, denationalizes currency.. and places it at whims of markets and traders, regardless of its effect on sovereign countries and their economies.

It neuters the currencies value as a means of credit and investment into productive, employment creation for nations. It seizes control and places it into the hands of utterly irresponsible and amoral entities, notably the IMF, WTO, World Bank.. who work as running dogs for the international trading and financial oligarchy.

The EU is an example of the failure.. practically and morally of Free Market ideology.. but the crisis now is Global in scope. Its has put the world's economy into a death spiral. It will be rocked by shock after shock until the entire financial system collapses.

It is untenable and unsustainable. Greece has been used as experiment of the limits of their power. As loans suddenly become unservicable as economies crumble, vicious austerity measures are imposed by the world's banking community.. and international isolation is threatened.. who now act with impunity and without sovereign national oversight.
 
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This issue has been duly noted and will be taken into consideration at our next staff meeting now who's in charge of picking up the grub make mine a double meat whataburger with cheese and everything else they can throw on it, a large order of onion rings and a strawberry shake .:).
 

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If I were British I would be in favor of withdrawal from the EU. It makes financial sense, and would restore full British sovereignty. The British public should realize the EU has made crucial mistakes that have transformed it into an overextended instrumentality of Germany.


A poll just a week or two ago shows that if an EU in/out referendum were held now, the British public would vote narrowly to leave.

Of course, we know that the Government (unless, in the off chance, we elect a Ukip government in May) will never give us an EU in/out referendum, even in 2017 which is when the Tories are promising they will give us one (they'll come up with some excuse not to give us it), and that there will be tanks on Britain's streets before Britain gets to leave it.
 

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A poll just a week or two ago shows that if an EU in/out referendum were held now, the British public would vote narrowly to leave.

Of course, we know that the Government (unless, in the off chance, we elect a Ukip government in May) will never give us an EU in/out referendum, even in 2017 which is when the Tories are promising they will give us one (they'll come up with some excuse not to give us it), and that there will be tanks on Britain's streets before Britain gets to leave it.

If a withdrawal referendum is scheduled all parties would campaign against it except UKIP. I think things are going to have to get much worse in the EU's southern tier of members. But that's quite possible.
 

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If a withdrawal referendum is scheduled all parties would campaign against it except UKIP. I think things are going to have to get much worse in the EU's southern tier of members. But that's quite possible.


Cameron has said that if the Tories win the election in May then he will give us an EU in/out referendum in 2017 (although Ukip don't believe him) and that he will seek to reform the EU to make it more in Britain's interests. If he manages that then he will campaign for Britain to stay in the EU during the referendum campaign. But if he doesn't manage to reform the EU (and I don't think he will) then he will campaign for Britain to leave the EU during the referendum campaign in 2017.

I think the Tories will win the most seats on May 7th (so, thankfully, the English, Welsh and Northern Irish won't see the disgusting spectacle of the Labour Party forming a Coalition with the anti-British SNP, which 91% of the UK electorate - those outside Scotland - can't vote for) but, like in 2010, they won't get a majority in the Commons so will have to form another Coalition (unlike the rest of Europe, Coalition government to be a rarity in Britain, with the current one being the first since WWII, but I think they will now become the norm). We currently have a Tory/LibDem Coalition but I'd like to see the Tories ditch the LibDems and form a Coalition with Ukip, with Farage being made Europe Minister (the job which he desires). Farage, as we all know, doesn't take any crap from Brussels and does a better job of sticking up for Britain's interests in the European Parlliament than any member of the LibLabCon triumvirate.

If we do get a "CONKIP" coalition in May then I think it'll be inevitable that Ukip will pressurise the Tories into giving us the EU referendum BEFORE 2017, and it may even be one of their conditions for them helping the Tories by forming a government with them - "Yes, we will help you form a government but only if you give us the EU in/out referendum in the autumn of 2015".