Cameron has warned UK might quit EU if Juncker becomes president - Spiegel


Blackleaf
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German magazine Der Spiegel has revealed that British Prime Minister David Cameron has warned that the UK could quit the EU if Jean-Claude Juncker becomes the new (unelected) president of the European Commission, the executive body of the EU responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding Union's treaties and day-to-day running of the world's largest economy.

Correspondents say Mr Cameron - who has said that Britain will leave the Union of 506 million people if the EU does not reform - said at an informal EU summit earlier this week that he wanted a reformer to take charge of the EU executive.

Der Spiegel (The Mirror) reported Mr Cameron as saying that the appointment of Juncker - who was the Prime Minister of tiny Luxembourg, the EU's second-smallest member state, between 1995 and 2013 and who, amongst other things, defends the CAP, EU integration and was one of the architects of the disatrous Euro, all of which Britain is against - could destabilise his government, which might bring forward referendum plans on EU membership.

Cameron has promised to give the British people a referendum in 2017 on whether or not Britain should leave the EU should he win next year's General Election - although Ed Miliband's Labour Party is also under pressure to promise one if they win the General Election after Ukip's victory in the EU elections.

Mr Juncker's European People's Party (EPP) is a grouping of centre-right parties in the EU Parliament and it won the largest number of seats in the EU parliament in the May polls. The EPP, which also includes German Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats but doesn't include any British political party, won 213 out of 751 seats in the Parliament and chose Mr Juncker as its candidate for the presidency to succeed Portugal's Jose Manuel Barroso.

But Mr Cameron and several other European leaders have voiced opposition to his appointment, which has received the backing of Chancellor Merkel, who normally is an ally of Cameron.


Cameron warned UK might quit EU over president - Spiegel

1 June 2014
BBC News


David Cameron and Angela Merkel appear at odds over who should head the EU commission. Cameron said he may bring forward Britain's EU in/out referendum if Juncker gets the job

German magazine Der Spiegel says British PM David Cameron warned that the UK could leave the EU if Luxembourg ex-PM Jean-Claude Juncker became president of the European Commission.

It reported Mr Cameron as saying that the appointment could destabilise his government, which might bring forward referendum plans on EU membership.

Downing Street has not yet commented.

Mr Juncker's European People's Party won the largest number of seats in the European parliament in the May polls.

The centre-right grouping, which also includes German Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats, won 213 out of 751 seats in the Parliament and chose Mr Juncker as its candidate for the presidency to succeed Portugal's Jose Manuel Barroso.

But Mr Cameron and several other European leaders have voiced opposition to his appointment, which has received the backing of Chancellor Merkel.

Brussels warning


Juncker was Prime Minister of Luxembourg, the EU's second-smallest member state and one of its founding members, between 1995 and 2013

Correspondents say Mr Cameron, at an informal EU summit earlier this week, made his views clear - that he wanted a reformer to take charge of the EU executive.

Der Spiegel says the British prime minister issued the warning to Angela Merkel during the meeting in Brussels.

Quoting "sources close to the participants" of the summit, the influential magazine said Mr Cameron told Chancellor Merkel that selecting Mr Juncker could destabilise his government to such an extent that an in-out referendum on Britain's EU membership would have to be brought forward.

The magazine quotes Mr Cameron as telling the German chancellor that "a face from the 1980s cannot solve the problems of the next five years".

A senior government source told the BBC it did not recognise the language about destabilisation and that it is not something the prime minister would have said.

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Juncker's European People's Party (EPP), a grouping of centre-right parties in the EU parliament, won 213 of out 751 seats in the recent EU elections, more than any other grouping. It does not include any British political party

But the BBC's Chris Morris in Brussels says it is no secret that Mr Cameron opposes Mr Juncker and that the UK view is that the need for change is well-established.

The report comes a day after Angela Merkel made her clearest statement yet of support for Mr Juncker and leaves her in a difficult position, our correspondent says.

He adds that much of the German political establishment believes Mr Juncker should get the job because his party will be the largest political grouping.

EU leaders traditionally choose the Commission head on their own, but under new rules have to "take into account" the results of the European elections.

Downing Street has emphasised that it will be national governments - not the European parliament - which will have to agree on the president.

Mr Juncker's main rival is the Socialist candidate Martin Schulz.

Mr Juncker is known for his role in chairing the Eurogroup of eurozone finance ministers that had to make tough decisions about struggling debt-laden countries.

Mr Juncker is not thought to be amenable to a wide-ranging renegotiation of Britain's relationship with Brussels.

Other leaders opposing the appointment include Sweden's Fredrik Reinfeldt and Hungary's Viktor Orban.

Jean-Claude Juncker


Jean-Claude Juncker's candidacy for EU president has the support of several member states, but Britain, Sweden and Hungary are against it


Born in 1954, PM of Luxembourg from 1995-2013
Veteran of EU politics who supports its social justice agenda
Chaired Eurogroup of finance ministers during financial crisis
Backs EU integration, played a big role in launch of the euro
Defends EU subsidies for farmers
Wants EU to reach a free trade deal with US


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Walter
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The EU is a failed concept, with most of the members sucking on the economic teat of Germany. England (UK) would be wise to leave.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

with most of the members sucking on the economic teat of Germany.

Of the 28 Member States, 11 are net CONTRIBUTORS to the EU budget, meaning they put more money into the coffers than they take out. Those are:

Austria, Cyprus, Germany, Denmark, Finland, France, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Sweden and UK.

The rest are subsidised by the EU (eg. British taxpayers) and take more out of the EU than they put in. They are:

Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Latvia, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Slovenia and Slovakia. (These are based on 2009 stats, so do not count Romania, which joined in 2007, and Croatia, which joined in 2013, but it's safe to say they are net receivers from the EU budget too.)

Over the years British taxpayers have had to fund things like Greek olive groves which don't actually exist and Belgians teaching people to dance in Burkina Faso.

And you would have thought the EU would have taken heed of the recent success of Euroskeptic parties, like Ukip, in the recent elections. But, oh no. It has now just decided to INCREASE its £110 billion budget, and is trying to force British taxpayers to hand over an extra £350 million a year.

And then there's the fact that Britain takes in more EU immigrants than any other EU country, and pays out God knows how much in child benefit and other benefits (because, as a member of the EU, even our social benefits are counted as an "EU resource" rather than British-only) to people who, believe it or not, are able to send it back to their children who are still in Poland, Latvia, Lithuania or even Ireland.

So it's not just Germany - whose economy is lagging behind Britain's - whose economic tits are being suckled upon.
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Tecumsehsbones
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#4
It would be really bad if the British was ever subject to an unelected official.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

It would be really bad if the British was ever subject to an unelected official.


We ARE subject to unelected officials. There are thousands of them in Brussels.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
+3
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

We ARE subject to unelected officials. There are thousands of them in Brussels.

Not to mention the royal family and lords that purchase ther title. The EU will do well without Britain.
 
Colpy
Conservative
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It would be a wonderful thing if the UK pulled out of the EU.............and joined a economic/military alliance of the world's free English-speaking nations: Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the United States, and perhaps India......
 
Blackleaf
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Not to mention the royal family and lords that purchase ther title.

Since when are the royal family unelected politicians? This topic is about Juncker's candidacy for the president of the EU Commission. It has NOTHING to do with royals. It always amazes me how simpletons on this forum bring up the Royal Family in threads which have nothing to do with royals.

Quote:

The EU will do well without Britain.

No. Britain would do well without the EU. It'd thrive once it leaves the world's economic Sick Man placing its diseased-ridden economic straitjacket over us.

I doubt the EU would like its best-performing economy and its largest market to quit the EU. That's why they are so desperate to keep us in.

And Britain is hardly the only constitutional monarchy in the EU, is it? Six EU member states are constitutional monarchies. Not that that has any bearing on how well the EU performs economically. It's the EU's unelected politicians who are responsible for that, not the royals (who, in Britian, are far more popular than any politician and more popular than any politician can ever hope to be).

If I had to choose between Elizabeth II and an unelected President Juncker from Luxembourg it won't be a hard decision.
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captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

I doubt the EU would like its best-performing economy and its largest market to quit the EU.

It would be devastating if Germany ever left
 
Blackleaf
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

It would be devastating if Germany ever left


What Germany, France, Italy, Luxembourg, Ireland, Spain, Malta, Finland or Croatia care to do is not my concern. My only concern is Britain, and Britain should be OUT. Germany - which is one of the biggest supporters of closer EU integration and the creation of an EU Superstate - can join the United Federation of Planets as far as I am concerned if it doesn't care that much about its sovereignty.
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Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

It would be really bad if the British was ever subject to an unelected official.

They haven't been for a few hundred years.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

What Germany, France, Italy, Luxembourg, Ireland, Spain, Malta, Finland or Croatia care to do is not my concern. My only concern is Britain, and Britain should be OUT. Germany - which is one of the biggest supporters of closer EU integration and the creation of an EU Superstate - can join the United Federation of Planets as far as I am concerned if it doesn't care that much about its sovereignty.


It would be devastating to Britain if Germany abandoned your nation... Who else would buy-up your auto and aerospace industries for a fraction of the value?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote:

It would be devastating to Britain if Germany abandoned your nation... Who else would buy-up your auto and aerospace industries for a fraction of the value?

And why would Germany "abandon" Britain? And what does "abandoning" Britain entail? Would it entail the Germans - whose economy is performing badly compared to Britain's - telling the British that they no longer wish the British to buy their BMWs? If that's what they want, so be it. But do you thik they'd be so stupid?

And I've already said that I don't give a damn whether Germany or any other member state decides to stay in the EU or leaves. I only care about what Britain does, and Britain will be better off out.

You forget that the EU needs Britain more than Britain needs the EU.

What is not often pointed out is that, in January 2013, Britain actually overtook France to become Germany's biggest trading partner, "solidifying the emergence of a special relationship between Europe’s two like-minded northern powers." Britain - not France, not the US, not Japan - is now Germany's most important market. That's why Merkel is, all of a sudden, bending over backwards to help Britain by offering safeguards for the City of London against the EU's proposed financial transactions tax.

When Britain leaves the EUSSR within the next five years, Germany will remain desperate to trade with her.

Britain has overtaken France to become Germany’s biggest global trade partner for the first time in the modern era, solidifying the emergence of a “special relationship” between Europe’s two like-minded northern powers.


Fresh data from the Bundesbank show that Anglo-German trade in goods and services soared to €153bn in the first nine months of 2012. Photo: Reuters

It is one of the fastest growing trade relationships in the developed world. France lagged behind at €150bn as trade stagnated, with the US at €149bn and China at €115bn.

David Marsh from the financial group OMFIF said the trade swing underlines a “sobering truth” that Germany’s fundamental interests are shifting away from the eurozone core as Berlin embraces the wider world. The EMU share of German trade has fallen from 46pc to 37pc since the launch of the euro, displaced by Asia, as well as Eastern Europe and the Anglo-sphere.

British goods exports to Germany rose 20pc over the first three quarters compared to a year earlier, despite the economic downturn. The surge was led by medical equipment, drugs, car components, and petroleum goods. The deficit with Germany narrowed slighty to €17bn, a sign that trade is becoming better-balanced.

Although rarely acclaimed, British suppliers and manufacturers are deeply integrated into the German industrial machine and enjoy the follow-through benefits of German exports to the rest of the world.

Britain becomes Germany's biggest trade partner as Berlin-London pact deepens - Telegraph (external - login to view)
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captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

And what does "abandoning" Britain entail?


It means a b a n d o n i n g.

By the way, interesting that you compare Britain's economy to that of France... The French economy is in the crapper, right?

Doesn't really say too much for you
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

It means a b a n d o n i n g.

By the way, interesting that you compare Britain's economy to that of France... The French economy is in the crapper, right?

Doesn't really say too much for you

I can compare Britain's economy to more than just France's - Britain's economy is the best-performing major economy in the West and, according to the economists, it looks like it will be like that for the next few years at least.

Our economic growth forecast for 2014 has just been upgraded last week to 3.1%. Canada's, the last time I looked, was 2% (Germany's a poxy 1.8%).

Doesn't really say much for you, does it? You really should take a look at your own faltering economy rather than point fingers at an economy which is now outpacing everyone else's.
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captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

I can compare Britain's economy to more than just France's


.. But you didn't.

As was mentioned before relative to your economy... 'You can polish a turd, but it's still a piece of sh*t'
 
Blackleaf
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

'You can polish a turd, but it's still a piece of sh*t'

Oh dear. Somebody doesn't like the fact that their economy is stuttering whilst ours powers ahead.

It's not my fault, mate.

If our economy, which is outpacing everybody else's, is a "piece of ****" as you, for reasons best left to yourself, for some reason call it, then what does that make YOUR economy?

Good luck with your 2% growth and 6.9% unemployment for this year. I'll tell you in December how good 3.1% growth and 6.7% unemployment feels like.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

Oh dear. Somebody doesn't like the fact that their economy is staltering whilst ours powers ahead.

Call up some your countrymen that have been beating down the doors to immigrate here.

You'll get the dose of reality you so desperately need.

(PS - not to be confused with 'the dose' that you get from the local hookers you visit)
 
Blackleaf
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in morgan;1926037]Call up some your countrymen that have been beating down the doors to immigrate here.

Oh dear. Still in denyial that your economy is stuttering whilst ours outperforms the Western world (again).

Maybe I should ask these supposed British immigrants to Canada why they are moving to a country whose economy is performing worse than their own. Maybe then they will get the dose of reality they so desperately need - that the grass is greener on this side of the Atlantic.

Here are some facts:

In 2013, around 265,000 immigrants went to Canada.

However, between June 2012 and June 2013 Britain received 503,000 immigrants; it received 517,000 the year before. Britain's population is growing at such a great speed that it makes up around a quarter of all the annual EU's population growth and it won't be long before it overtakes Germany to become the EU's most populous nation and largest economy.

More people are moving to Britain than to Canada.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#20
It's all about the quality of the immigration.

... Much like your imaginary Navy, your economy is about as solid.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

It's all about the quality of the immigration.

So you're saying the British make better immigrants than the Poles? I suppose you're right, since it was British immigrants who established and built your nation.

And the quality of immigrants doesn't matter in this argument. All that matters is that more people are emigrating to Britain than to Canada.

Quote:

your economy is about as solid.

Britain will be best performing of largest economies in 2014, IMF predicts

International Monetary Fund concedes it was overly pessimistic last spring when it warned chancellor to ease austerity measures

Britain will be the best performing of the world's largest economies this year, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) (external - login to view) predicted as it conceded it had been overly pessimistic last spring when it warned George Osborne (external - login to view) to ease austerity (external - login to view) measures or jeopardise growth.

Along with the US and Germany, the UK economy is now expected to steam ahead as consumer spending rebounds, inflation remains low and unemployment continues to fall steadily.

Britain will be best performing of largest economies in 2014, IMF predicts | Business | The Guardian (external - login to view)
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Highest UK economic growth figures since 2010 expected

29 April 2014
BBC News



Recent retail sales figures showed a rise of 4.2% on last year

The UK economy is expected to have grown strongly in the first three months of 2014, rising by the highest level in almost four years.

Analysts say preliminary estimates from the Office for National Statistics, out on Tuesday, will show gross domestic product (GDP) grew by 0.9%.

That would mark the fifth consecutive period of GDP growth; the longest since before the financial crisis.

In the last quarter of 2013, GDP, which measures economic activity, grew 0.7%.

The encouraging GDP figures come after the Bank of England's revised its estimate of the UK's economic growth to 1% for the first quarter of 2014.

Earlier this month, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said it expects the UK to be the best-performing of the world's largest economies in 2014, with growth of 2.9% for the year.

BBC News - Highest UK economic growth figures since 2010 expected (external - login to view)


(That growth has now been upgraded to 3.1%)
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UK about to overtake Germany:

Booming Britain will be the top dog as rest of Europe stagnates

BRITAIN’S economy is set to become Europe’s biggest within 16 years, a leading economic forecaster revealed last night.

By: Macer Hall (external - login to view)
Published: Thu, December 26, 2013


Currently second in the league table of European economies, the UK is on course to overtake Germany in 2030

Currently second in the league table of European economies, the UK is on course to overtake Germany in 2030.

The prediction, from the Centre for Economic and Business Research, is another boost for Chancellor George Osborne at the end of a year that saw Britain emerge from the doldrums with a rapidly accelerating recovery.

It suggests the country will benefit from staying outside the struggling eurozone but also warns that any break-up of the UK following the referendum on Scottish independence next year could severely damage economic growth.

Slow growth and a weakening currency are expected in the eurozone over the next two decades, says the report. This is likely to be seen as another vindication of the UK’s decision to remain out of the European Union’s single currency.

China’s gross domestic product is forecast to overtake that of the US by 2028 but the report also predicts the UK will become the second most successful of the Western economies after the US.


The CEBR’s annual World Economic League Table, an end-of-year assessment of the world’s 30 largest economies, says: “The UK is the West’s second best performing economy.

“Indeed it is the only major Western economy expected to move up the league table, becoming the world’s fifth largest economy in 2018 by overtaking France.

“After that it slips back to 7th place in 2023 and 2028 as India and Brazil overtake. But by 2028 the UK economy is forecast to be only three per cent smaller than the German economy and is likely to overtake Germany to become the largest Western European economy around 2030.”

Britain will benefit from being outside the eurozone and having a relatively low tax regime, according to the report.

Booming Britain will be the top dog as rest of Europe stagnates | UK | News | Daily Express (external - login to view)
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captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#22
You didn't quote the part about the imaginary Navy you have
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

You didn't quote the part about the imaginary Navy you have

Our navy's bigger than yours, one of just two true Blue Water navies on the planet.

I don't know where you get the idea that it's "imaginary" from.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

Our navy's bigger than yours, one of just two true Blue Water navies on the planet.

Hmmmm, let's see.
  1. USA
  2. Russia
  3. China
Nope, don't see Britain in that list


Quote: Originally Posted by BlackleafView Post

I don't know where you get the idea that it's "imaginary" from.

'Cause it is?
 
Blackleaf
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Hmmmm, let's see.

  1. USA
  2. Russia
  3. China
Nope, don't see Britain in that list

Russia and China, unlike Britain, don't have a true blue-water navy. Only the US, Britain and, to a lesser extent, France, possess what the British term "maritime expeditionary capabilities" and have successfully used the capabilities of their blue-water navies to exercise control on the high seas and from there have projected power into other nations' littoral waters.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#26
... Haven't the Russian Navy been traipsing around the UK recently?

Sounds to me like that qualifies as "maritime expeditionary capabilities"
 
petros
#27
There is a fleet of hidden Canadian Tridents in Wascana Lake. Nobody is looking in lakes.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
#28
I wondered where the little buggers dissapeared to. Since we all know the scrap metal we picked up from Brittain are just for ****z & giggles.
 
Blackleaf
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

... Haven't the Russian Navy been traipsing around the UK recently?

Sounds to me like that qualifies as "maritime expeditionary capabilities"

Russia has a green-water navy, which is one step below a blue-water navy.

A green-water navy is a naval force that is designed primarily to provide coastal defence but may be just beginning to acquire the ability to sustain operations on the open ocean - to have a truly global presence.

The Americans, British and French (blue-water navies) are able to define maritime geography in terms of offensive action in the home waters of their enemies without being constrained by logistics (they are the only three countries able to project military power to anywhere in the world within 24 hours), but this is not true for most other navies, whose supply chains and air cover typically limit them to power projection within a few hundred miles of home territory. A number of countries are working on overcoming these constraints, most notably China. Russia - whose navy is still recovering from the underfunding it received in the 1990s - is also considered to have a green-water navy.

Canada also has a green-water navy.
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tay
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IMF warns Osborne over housing bubble risk








The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has warned George Osborne that accelerating house prices and low productivity pose the greatest threat to the UK's economic recovery.




The Bank of England's Financial Policy Committee (FPC) is due to meet later in June and could announce measures to control mortgage lending.


In May, 25% taxpayer-backed Lloyds Banking Group said it would limit its mortgage lending to four times a borrower's income on loans above £500,000.


On Tuesday, Royal Bank of Scotland - which remains 80% taxpayer-owned - said it would also restrict the amount it advanced to mortgage borrowers.
The IMF added the government should consider modifying or even pulling the plug on its flagship mortgage guarantee scheme - known as Help to Buy 2 - if house prices showed signs of overheating.


Recent figures from the Treasury showed 7,000 homes were bought through the Help to Buy scheme between its launch in October and March.


That amounted to just over £1bn of mortgages since the scheme's launch, involving just £153m of government guarantees.


Howard Archer, chief UK and European economist at IHS Global Insight, has previously warned the risk of a house price bubble developing across the UK is "very real".


Earlier the chancellor told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We need to be alert to the build-up of debt in the housing market, we need to be alert when we see house prices rising."


Earlier, the Office of National Statistics showed the UK's trade deficit with the rest of the world - the different between the value of the goods and services the country exports and imports - widened in April to £2.5bn.


The UK's goods deficit widened in April to £9.6bn from £8.3bn in March and £8.5bn a year earlier, denting the chancellor's hopes of boosting exports in an effort to rebalance the economy.




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