Cameron has warned UK might quit EU if Juncker becomes president - Spiegel

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German magazine Der Spiegel has revealed that British Prime Minister David Cameron has warned that the UK could quit the EU if Jean-Claude Juncker becomes the new (unelected) president of the European Commission, the executive body of the EU responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding Union's treaties and day-to-day running of the world's largest economy.

Correspondents say Mr Cameron - who has said that Britain will leave the Union of 506 million people if the EU does not reform - said at an informal EU summit earlier this week that he wanted a reformer to take charge of the EU executive.

Der Spiegel (The Mirror) reported Mr Cameron as saying that the appointment of Juncker - who was the Prime Minister of tiny Luxembourg, the EU's second-smallest member state, between 1995 and 2013 and who, amongst other things, defends the CAP, EU integration and was one of the architects of the disatrous Euro, all of which Britain is against - could destabilise his government, which might bring forward referendum plans on EU membership.

Cameron has promised to give the British people a referendum in 2017 on whether or not Britain should leave the EU should he win next year's General Election - although Ed Miliband's Labour Party is also under pressure to promise one if they win the General Election after Ukip's victory in the EU elections.

Mr Juncker's European People's Party (EPP) is a grouping of centre-right parties in the EU Parliament and it won the largest number of seats in the EU parliament in the May polls. The EPP, which also includes German Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats but doesn't include any British political party, won 213 out of 751 seats in the Parliament and chose Mr Juncker as its candidate for the presidency to succeed Portugal's Jose Manuel Barroso.

But Mr Cameron and several other European leaders have voiced opposition to his appointment, which has received the backing of Chancellor Merkel, who normally is an ally of Cameron.


Cameron warned UK might quit EU over president - Spiegel

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David Cameron and Angela Merkel appear at odds over who should head the EU commission. Cameron said he may bring forward Britain's EU in/out referendum if Juncker gets the job

German magazine Der Spiegel says British PM David Cameron warned that the UK could leave the EU if Luxembourg ex-PM Jean-Claude Juncker became president of the European Commission.

It reported Mr Cameron as saying that the appointment could destabilise his government, which might bring forward referendum plans on EU membership.

Downing Street has not yet commented.

Mr Juncker's European People's Party won the largest number of seats in the European parliament in the May polls.

The centre-right grouping, which also includes German Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats, won 213 out of 751 seats in the Parliament and chose Mr Juncker as its candidate for the presidency to succeed Portugal's Jose Manuel Barroso.

But Mr Cameron and several other European leaders have voiced opposition to his appointment, which has received the backing of Chancellor Merkel.

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Juncker was Prime Minister of Luxembourg, the EU's second-smallest member state and one of its founding members, between 1995 and 2013

Correspondents say Mr Cameron, at an informal EU summit earlier this week, made his views clear - that he wanted a reformer to take charge of the EU executive.

Der Spiegel says the British prime minister issued the warning to Angela Merkel during the meeting in Brussels.

Quoting "sources close to the participants" of the summit, the influential magazine said Mr Cameron told Chancellor Merkel that selecting Mr Juncker could destabilise his government to such an extent that an in-out referendum on Britain's EU membership would have to be brought forward.

The magazine quotes Mr Cameron as telling the German chancellor that "a face from the 1980s cannot solve the problems of the next five years".

A senior government source told the BBC it did not recognise the language about destabilisation and that it is not something the prime minister would have said.


Juncker's European People's Party (EPP), a grouping of centre-right parties in the EU parliament, won 213 of out 751 seats in the recent EU elections, more than any other grouping. It does not include any British political party

But the BBC's Chris Morris in Brussels says it is no secret that Mr Cameron opposes Mr Juncker and that the UK view is that the need for change is well-established.

The report comes a day after Angela Merkel made her clearest statement yet of support for Mr Juncker and leaves her in a difficult position, our correspondent says.

He adds that much of the German political establishment believes Mr Juncker should get the job because his party will be the largest political grouping.

EU leaders traditionally choose the Commission head on their own, but under new rules have to "take into account" the results of the European elections.

Downing Street has emphasised that it will be national governments - not the European parliament - which will have to agree on the president.

Mr Juncker's main rival is the Socialist candidate Martin Schulz.

Mr Juncker is known for his role in chairing the Eurogroup of eurozone finance ministers that had to make tough decisions about struggling debt-laden countries.

Mr Juncker is not thought to be amenable to a wide-ranging renegotiation of Britain's relationship with Brussels.

Other leaders opposing the appointment include Sweden's Fredrik Reinfeldt and Hungary's Viktor Orban.

Jean-Claude Juncker


Jean-Claude Juncker's candidacy for EU president has the support of several member states, but Britain, Sweden and Hungary are against it


Born in 1954, PM of Luxembourg from 1995-2013
Veteran of EU politics who supports its social justice agenda
Chaired Eurogroup of finance ministers during financial crisis
Backs EU integration, played a big role in launch of the euro
Defends EU subsidies for farmers
Wants EU to reach a free trade deal with US


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The EU is a failed concept, with most of the members sucking on the economic teat of Germany. England (UK) would be wise to leave.
 

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with most of the members sucking on the economic teat of Germany.

Of the 28 Member States, 11 are net CONTRIBUTORS to the EU budget, meaning they put more money into the coffers than they take out. Those are:

Austria, Cyprus, Germany, Denmark, Finland, France, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Sweden and UK.

The rest are subsidised by the EU (eg. British taxpayers) and take more out of the EU than they put in. They are:

Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Latvia, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Slovenia and Slovakia. (These are based on 2009 stats, so do not count Romania, which joined in 2007, and Croatia, which joined in 2013, but it's safe to say they are net receivers from the EU budget too.)

Over the years British taxpayers have had to fund things like Greek olive groves which don't actually exist and Belgians teaching people to dance in Burkina Faso.

And you would have thought the EU would have taken heed of the recent success of Euroskeptic parties, like Ukip, in the recent elections. But, oh no. It has now just decided to INCREASE its £110 billion budget, and is trying to force British taxpayers to hand over an extra £350 million a year.

And then there's the fact that Britain takes in more EU immigrants than any other EU country, and pays out God knows how much in child benefit and other benefits (because, as a member of the EU, even our social benefits are counted as an "EU resource" rather than British-only) to people who, believe it or not, are able to send it back to their children who are still in Poland, Latvia, Lithuania or even Ireland.

So it's not just Germany - whose economy is lagging behind Britain's - whose economic tits are being suckled upon.
 
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It would be a wonderful thing if the UK pulled out of the EU.............and joined a economic/military alliance of the world's free English-speaking nations: Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the United States, and perhaps India......
 

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Not to mention the royal family and lords that purchase ther title.

Since when are the royal family unelected politicians? This topic is about Juncker's candidacy for the president of the EU Commission. It has NOTHING to do with royals. It always amazes me how simpletons on this forum bring up the Royal Family in threads which have nothing to do with royals.

The EU will do well without Britain.

No. Britain would do well without the EU. It'd thrive once it leaves the world's economic Sick Man placing its diseased-ridden economic straitjacket over us.

I doubt the EU would like its best-performing economy and its largest market to quit the EU. That's why they are so desperate to keep us in.

And Britain is hardly the only constitutional monarchy in the EU, is it? Six EU member states are constitutional monarchies. Not that that has any bearing on how well the EU performs economically. It's the EU's unelected politicians who are responsible for that, not the royals (who, in Britian, are far more popular than any politician and more popular than any politician can ever hope to be).

If I had to choose between Elizabeth II and an unelected President Juncker from Luxembourg it won't be a hard decision.
 
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It would be devastating if Germany ever left


What Germany, France, Italy, Luxembourg, Ireland, Spain, Malta, Finland or Croatia care to do is not my concern. My only concern is Britain, and Britain should be OUT. Germany - which is one of the biggest supporters of closer EU integration and the creation of an EU Superstate - can join the United Federation of Planets as far as I am concerned if it doesn't care that much about its sovereignty.
 
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What Germany, France, Italy, Luxembourg, Ireland, Spain, Malta, Finland or Croatia care to do is not my concern. My only concern is Britain, and Britain should be OUT. Germany - which is one of the biggest supporters of closer EU integration and the creation of an EU Superstate - can join the United Federation of Planets as far as I am concerned if it doesn't care that much about its sovereignty.


It would be devastating to Britain if Germany abandoned your nation... Who else would buy-up your auto and aerospace industries for a fraction of the value?
 

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It would be devastating to Britain if Germany abandoned your nation... Who else would buy-up your auto and aerospace industries for a fraction of the value?

And why would Germany "abandon" Britain? And what does "abandoning" Britain entail? Would it entail the Germans - whose economy is performing badly compared to Britain's - telling the British that they no longer wish the British to buy their BMWs? If that's what they want, so be it. But do you thik they'd be so stupid?

And I've already said that I don't give a damn whether Germany or any other member state decides to stay in the EU or leaves. I only care about what Britain does, and Britain will be better off out.

You forget that the EU needs Britain more than Britain needs the EU.

What is not often pointed out is that, in January 2013, Britain actually overtook France to become Germany's biggest trading partner, "solidifying the emergence of a special relationship between Europe’s two like-minded northern powers." Britain - not France, not the US, not Japan - is now Germany's most important market. That's why Merkel is, all of a sudden, bending over backwards to help Britain by offering safeguards for the City of London against the EU's proposed financial transactions tax.

When Britain leaves the EUSSR within the next five years, Germany will remain desperate to trade with her.

Britain has overtaken France to become Germany’s biggest global trade partner for the first time in the modern era, solidifying the emergence of a “special relationship” between Europe’s two like-minded northern powers.


Fresh data from the Bundesbank show that Anglo-German trade in goods and services soared to €153bn in the first nine months of 2012. Photo: Reuters

It is one of the fastest growing trade relationships in the developed world. France lagged behind at €150bn as trade stagnated, with the US at €149bn and China at €115bn.

David Marsh from the financial group OMFIF said the trade swing underlines a “sobering truth” that Germany’s fundamental interests are shifting away from the eurozone core as Berlin embraces the wider world. The EMU share of German trade has fallen from 46pc to 37pc since the launch of the euro, displaced by Asia, as well as Eastern Europe and the Anglo-sphere.

British goods exports to Germany rose 20pc over the first three quarters compared to a year earlier, despite the economic downturn. The surge was led by medical equipment, drugs, car components, and petroleum goods. The deficit with Germany narrowed slighty to €17bn, a sign that trade is becoming better-balanced.

Although rarely acclaimed, British suppliers and manufacturers are deeply integrated into the German industrial machine and enjoy the follow-through benefits of German exports to the rest of the world.

Britain becomes Germany's biggest trade partner as Berlin-London pact deepens - Telegraph
 
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It means a b a n d o n i n g.

By the way, interesting that you compare Britain's economy to that of France... The French economy is in the crapper, right?

Doesn't really say too much for you

I can compare Britain's economy to more than just France's - Britain's economy is the best-performing major economy in the West and, according to the economists, it looks like it will be like that for the next few years at least.

Our economic growth forecast for 2014 has just been upgraded last week to 3.1%. Canada's, the last time I looked, was 2% (Germany's a poxy 1.8%).

Doesn't really say much for you, does it? You really should take a look at your own faltering economy rather than point fingers at an economy which is now outpacing everyone else's.
 
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'You can polish a turd, but it's still a piece of sh*t'

Oh dear. Somebody doesn't like the fact that their economy is stuttering whilst ours powers ahead.

It's not my fault, mate.

If our economy, which is outpacing everybody else's, is a "piece of ****" as you, for reasons best left to yourself, for some reason call it, then what does that make YOUR economy?

Good luck with your 2% growth and 6.9% unemployment for this year. I'll tell you in December how good 3.1% growth and 6.7% unemployment feels like.
 

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Oh dear. Somebody doesn't like the fact that their economy is staltering whilst ours powers ahead.

Call up some your countrymen that have been beating down the doors to immigrate here.

You'll get the dose of reality you so desperately need.

(PS - not to be confused with 'the dose' that you get from the local hookers you visit)
 

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in morgan;1926037]Call up some your countrymen that have been beating down the doors to immigrate here.
Oh dear. Still in denyial that your economy is stuttering whilst ours outperforms the Western world (again).

Maybe I should ask these supposed British immigrants to Canada why they are moving to a country whose economy is performing worse than their own. Maybe then they will get the dose of reality they so desperately need - that the grass is greener on this side of the Atlantic.

Here are some facts:

In 2013, around 265,000 immigrants went to Canada.

However, between June 2012 and June 2013 Britain received 503,000 immigrants; it received 517,000 the year before. Britain's population is growing at such a great speed that it makes up around a quarter of all the annual EU's population growth and it won't be long before it overtakes Germany to become the EU's most populous nation and largest economy.

More people are moving to Britain than to Canada.